Can’t support you on the subtitles, at least not entirely. Some movies are much better off with subtitles than voice-overs.

I don’t want to come off as a Mel Gibson mark, but Apocalypto was bad-ass and there is nothing that needs to be said about The Passion of the Christ…both completely subtitled.

Also, honorable mention (because it’s not completely in subtitles): The Gods Must Be Crazy. That was the funniest movie when I was a kid.

I don’t know what criteria you would use to determine if someone was a member of AQ.

It’s not like COBRA, they don’t have uniforms or an island.

The original AQ was a database of the mujahadeen in Af-Pak. There is no “AQ” as an organization in the traditional sense. Its like that by design.

I don’t know what criteria you would use to determine if someone was a member of AQ.

Shooting at American soldiers while chanting “Allahu Akbar!” seems like a pretty good standard.

I don’t know what criteria you would use to determine if someone was a member of AQ.

Yes, if only terrorists shared, I don’t know, a religion or a sacred text that preached them to kill infidels or something. If only they went around calling for the murder of infidels and defining themselves “soldiers of Allah” despite being US soldiers. If only D-Vega had a brain… oh, well, two out of three ain’t bad.

Doesn’t make them Al Qaeda, skippy. If you are going to be an ass, then at least know what you are talking about.

If you are going to be an ass, then at least know what you are talking about.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 14:48:19

And yet sim’s very right ALL of AQ shares those traits, DV, they are all Muslim. So don’t you be an ignorant ass either, OK?

Sharing traits is not being a member of AQ, which is my point wolf.

What difference does it make if they call themselves Taliban, AQ, Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbullah, etc. And Islamic terrorist is and Islamic terrorist is an Islamic terrorist. The fact that they all scream “Allah Snackbar” while performing their religous duty is enough for me.

When they come to slit your throat, are you going to care which organization they are a card carrying member of? As they severe your head from your shoulders are you going to be thinking, “Thankfully this guy is Hamas and not AQ.”?

The fact that they all scream “Allah Snackbar” while performing their religous duty is enough for me.

Posted by BIG
2009-11-16 15:15:24

This statement shows how simple and ignorant you really are.

Being a terrorist is also different than being a “member” of anything like the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Salafi and Wahabi muslims aren’t really members of anything, except religious sects.

I pointed it out because we need to be clear when we are hanging people, don’t you think?

This statement shows how simple and ignorant you really are.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-16 15:22:42

I’m sorry. Did I poke fun at your religion? I was busy looking at some Danish cartoons, so please forgive my insensitivity. BTW, did you know Big Mo deflowered a nine year old?

Now go back to pounding your head on the ground five times per day.

Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 15:31:39

I’m sorry if I don’t share your nuances about the different types of Islamic terrorists. Maybe it makes me a simpleton to associate all those that simply want to murder infidels together.

The differences between all these groups is minor compared to what they all share in common. And it is the recognition of these similarities that we need to point out. Just claiming they are different because of some minor nuance doesn’t explain what we are up against. I don’t use a blanket statement that all Islamics are evil for they are not. But a jihadist is a jihadist is a jihadist and it doesn’t matter which group he belongs to. Let’s take Hasan as an example. He is of PLO heritage. One would think he would be Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Fatah in his jihadist leanings. But the outfit he wore on the day of his crusade was that of a Pakistani. So this would tend to link him more with AQ than the Arafat lead terror organizations. But we find the common thread in Allah Ackbar. All jihadists have this in common.

I don’t use a blanket statement that all Islamics are evil for they are not.

Coulda fooled me, BIG. It seems like that is what the right-wing says all the time.

Because if the root cause is the religion itself, then yes, that is what you are saying.

There is no such thing as “Al Qaeda”. That is just a focal point our leaders gave us so we could have a boogeyman to be scared of. There hasn’t been an “AQ” for several years.

By a design that is ever evolving, the enemies are radicalized muslims bent on committing violent acts to influence us politically. Hasan is one example, but I fear this will be a reoccuring pattern. A lone muslim. No national or organizational ties, but still given the green light to kill.

Saying “Being a member of Al-Qaeda should be a hanging offense” oversimplifies it greatly.

Many do say that Islam is evil. But not me. I always preface it with “militant” Islam. There is a part of Islam called Ba Hai that are peaceful. Of course they got booted out of Iran when Carter handed the country to his militant Islamic brothers and had to take up residence in the horrible appartheid known as Israel.

And to call Hasan a lone Muslim is wrong. His ideas didn’t spring up out of nowhere. There are plenty of ties and I listed them for you in a previous post. And yes, being a militant Islamic should be a hanging offense. We need to do to them what the British did to the Thuggies. Yes, there are still a few Thuggies today, but you don’t hear from them at all.

He is lone just like Tim McVeigh was, BIG. Since McVeigh has numerous ties to rightwing groups prior to the OC bombing.

And if your “militant Islam” includes everyone except the Ba’hai, then you are pretty much saying every muslim.

I was just using the Ba’Hai as an example of peaceful Muslims. I would go so far as to say that 90% of the Muslims in the world could be considered peaceful.

And just as we need to stamp out the ideology that McVeigh followed, we need to do the same with Hasan. And it is not as hard as you might think.

Back in Israel’s 1948 war for independence, the Muslims would cut the dicks off the dead Jews and stick them in their throats. The Jews started burying dead Muslims in pig carcasses. Guess what, desecration of dead Jews pretty much stopped. Did you ever wonder why PLO-Arabs detonate in discos and malls and not in synagogues? Because if they did, mosques would be demolished. I know that this is hard to understand, but we are at war with a 7th century mentality. Using 21st century PCism isn’t going to freighten them. We have to fight them in a way that makes sense to them or they will continue to think we are weak. As I said, look at what the British did to the Thuggies and you will understand where I am coming from. Many Thuggies simply gave up their way of life and blended in to the rest of the population. The same will happen to the militant Islamics if we fight them hard.

Now that I have said this, I am of the opinion that western civilization is not going to do this and I believe militant Islam will be victorious.

The Russians seemed to pull out all the stops in Afghan, BIG. More than a million were killed. And yet, they still did not give up.

They get off on stuff like this, BIG. Like Hasan said, they love death, whereas we love life.

* Politics today: Figure out how they’re lying to you. Figure out who really benefits. Figure out how to get them to listen
ohn Hawkins | 10:39 am

Ok…that’s generic…they’re all lying to us.

“* Healthcare reform has very little to do w/ improving healthcare & a lot to do w/ giving gov’t more control of people’s lives.”

You have no proof of that assertion. You’re just saying that for the hell of it. As if it mattered.

“* Why’s it even controversial that Rick Perry’s saying we’re headed towards socialism? Does the truth hurt?”

It isn’t the truth, and it isn’t controversial. Rick Perry? The gov. of Tx.? Who’s he?
God?

“* Being a member of Al-Qaeda should be a hanging offense. No trial even necessary for non-American”

Well, while I agree with the sentiment…I do think a trial is necessary. It’s the American way. No need to abandon that.

“* Maybe it’s because I don’t normally use a cell phone, but I think texting & talking in the presence of others is a bit rude.”

I don’t either, and agreed…it is totally rude.

“* I’m American. That means I shouldn’t have to deal w/ subtitles. Any worthwhile movie should have an English version.”

They often do. Your American sensibilities shouldn’t feel violate. Still, would it hurt you to be able to read subtiltes?

“* As a matter of fact, I don’t want to be Rahm Emanuel’s freaking friend. So, no thank you on the suggestion, Facebook.”

LOL.

“* If you’re a Muslim who wants Shariah or who believes in killing your kids for being “Too Westernized”, stay out of the US”

Less than helpful….most Muslims in the west already disagree with Shariah…that’s why their here. But way to pile on….

* You don’t attract moderates to a party by taking poll driven “moderate” positions that your base hates

WTF…so you advocate a party of extremists?

* The problem with American politics isn’t that “nothing gets done” by gov’t. It’s that entirely too much does.

Spoken truly like a person who does not understand the saying…

we shall hang together or we shall hang seperately.

I’m American. That means I shouldn’t have to deal w/ subtitles.

Wow. Just wow.

Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 16:44:46

I would NEVER propose fighting them like the Russians did back in the 80s. The Russian tactics weren’t much different from what they used in WWII. We can fight better and smarter than the Russians do anyway.

I also wouldn’t fight like we currently are fighting. But this subject is way to intensive for this forum. We can discuss this when you understand what the British did to the Thuggies. This is the third time in this thread I have mentioned this, but I seem incapable of getting through to you on it. You bring up other tangents that have nothing to do with it. We could go in many different directions. We could discuss Charles Martel, Saladin, or the Gates of Vienna. But it would be pointless. I can’t even convince you that there is link between the different militant Islam groups in their ideology.

I also stated that we would not do this anyway and we will eventually be defeated and live under a Muslim Caliphate. So there probably is no reason to even discuss it all.

The Russians seemed to pull out all the stops in Afghan, BIG. More than a million were killed. And yet, they still did not give up.

They get off on stuff like this, BIG. Like Hasan said, they love death, whereas we love life.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 16:44:46

The fundamental difference is, the Russians came as conquerors and NO ONE in Afghanistan wanted to live under Communism. I know Obama doesn’t like to acknowledge it, but Communism truly sucks. In Afghanistan, at least half the population – the female half – was treated worse than cattle by the Taliban. There was a documentary back then, shown on CNN actually, about how horrific their lives were under that regime. Most Afghans don’t want to live under the Taliban again.

But the Taliban, much like their Al Quaida cousins, are committed religious fanatics and they are obviously being funded by the Iranians and possibly the Chinese. So the question before us is: do we abandon the women of Afghanistan, and their sane men, and their children, to these zealots, and allow Al Quaida to return to their bases from whence they launched the 9/11 attacks, or do we do what is morally right and (according to Candidate Obama) a “necessity?”

The problem is, BIG, is that our goal is not to pound the muslims into servitude. The majority are our friends. We do surgical strikes now and we still hit civilians. If we were to do things that would offend the muslim world as a whole, that would not serve our goals, which is to recruit the peaceful muslims against our common enemy.

If Ayatollah Sistani were to turn against us in Iraq, for example, it would be a whole different story. The same with the tribal Sunni leaders. The same with the Afghan tribal leaders. We NEED these people.

You don’t fight fire with fire when that’s what the fire wants you to do. A little cool water (& cash) does wonders.

So the question before us is: do we abandon the women of Afghanistan, and their sane men, and their children, to these zealots, and allow Al Quaida to return to their bases from whence they launched the 9/11 attacks, or do we do what is morally right and (according to Candidate Obama) a “necessity?”

That question has already been answered, Czech. There is no way we are leaving Af-Pak. No way.

Our goal should be eliminating militant Islam. You can’t buy them with pretty talk, cash, and appeasment. It doesn’t matter how many time President Obama apologizes for what America use to stand for. President Obama could nuke Tel Aviv and he would still not eliminate militant Islamic hatred for the west.

The British didn’t bribe the Thuggies into dropping their way of life. OK, this is now my forth mention of this and I expect another deflection away from it.

OK Vega, I give up. I see that you are just like President Obama and believe that victory against our enemies is not an option. You have just proven my point that Western Civilization will not survive.

That question has already been answered, Czech. There is no way we are leaving Af-Pak. No way.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 17:16:03

I agree. There is no way that President Obama is going to immediately announce our surrender. What he will do is further change the ROE we use to fight the enemy. The kill ratio under Bush was about 10:1 and Obama wants to be fair and bring those numbers closer to each other. I have already read reports that when the Taliban and AQ attack from population centers that they can no longer call in air strikes or artillery. They have to go in and fight them hand to hand. This has resulted in the higher casualty rates we have been seeing. As the body bags continue to accumulate, all support for the Afghan effort will evaporate and the people of the USA will demand that our troops are brought home. Basically, Obama wants another Vietnam. A war that could have been won, but was lost for political reasons.

The problem is, BIG, is that our goal is not to pound the muslims into servitude.

No, the goal is to pound terrorists into bloody chunks. Evidently you are under the mistaken impression that this is a War on Islam, rather than a War on Terror.

There is no “AQ” as an organization in the traditional sense. Its like that by design.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-16 13:29:09

In that case, what is this “it” of which you speak?

Obviously, there IS an Al Quaida that DOES have a leadership – after all, someone had to execute the design.

Yes, there are a bunch of semi-independent cells out there. However, generally speaking it appears to me that it’s safe to say they are “Al Quaida” if they have:

a) Travelled overseas to receive training from Al Quaida.

b) Had communication with Al Quaida.

c) Espouse Al Quaida talking points.

d) Carry out a terror attack.

You will note that Hasan met points b thru d. Time will tell if he also didn’t happen to spend time overseas. With the wonderful job Obama’s PC FBI has been doing, it wouldn’t shock me if there is a Pakistani stamp in his passport.