Abnormal Psychology Exists: You Are A Woman If You Give Birth. Period.

Woman who wants to be an ugly man will be giving birth. This time in Britain:

Congratulations, it's a boy - who will give birth next month.

Two proud papas are expecting a baby boy in February, London's Daily Mail reports, in what will be the world's second known case of birth by a "pregnant man."

"We know some people will criticize us, but we are blissfully happy and not ashamed," Scott Moore told the newspaper.

Moore and his husband, Thomas, were both born female and have undergone surgery to change their sex. The transgender California couple is legally married, as Moore still has his female birth certificate.

Baby "Miles" has two brothers waiting for him, 10-year-old Logan and 12-year-old Greg, Thomas' children from a previous relationship with a woman who has since passed away.

Moore, born Jessica, told the paper he first realized he wanted to be a man when he was 11.

"When I told my family, they thought I was crazy, but they gradually realized I was serious and allowed me to start taking male hormones when I was 16 years old," he said.

His parents eventually paid for him to have his 36DDD breasts removed, the paper reports, but he could not afford the high cost of full sex reassignment surgery.

Moore still has female reproductive organs, and got pregnant using the sperm of a friend in June 2009, the Daily Mail reports.

You know, there is such thing as abnormal psychology. This is NOT NORMAL. It is one thing to move to Funky Town. It's another thing to start a family there and bring children into this disordered environment.

Pretending that this is not so is akin to the government pretending that a dude with the name Mohammed who acts weird, says he wants to blow things up and then does it, isn't a terrorist.

Society cannot function if we don't have some agreement on what is acceptable social norms. Freaks do not tend to build society, they tend to be around the edges eating away at its success.

Now, I'm libertarian enough not to want to get in this lady's business, but I also don't equate tolerance with approval. I don't approve. No one should. It's not good for her body (it's self-mutilation on a massive scale). It's not good for her children. It's not good for society.

Rorschach

If it has a vagina capable of accommodating a penis, it is female. Calling someone with functional female genitalia a man is simply wrong. You should not be able to obtain any documentation as male if you can still have vaginal sex with a male. As to whether a woman should be able to surgically and hormonally mutilate her body to appear male, I do not approve, but am libertarian enough to admit they have a right to do it as long as it doesn't affect anyone else, but bringing a child into the world in such a situation is simply beyond the pale. There are many many studies that show that "transgender" people are no more socially functional in their target gender as they were in their original gender. Sex reassignment surgery is cooperating with and enabling mental illness. That is the bottom line. People who suffer from "gender dysphoria" are simply mentally ill and no amount of surgery on their genitalia will cure that. Frankly the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was a huge mistake as well.
whats_up

Once again, WHAT LAW?

Posted by CavalierX
2010-02-01 18:03:11

Cav,

It is a crime to enter any property owned by the United States by fraud or false pretenses., specifically US Code Title 18 section 1036. You should try and educate yourself.
CavalierX

I will let it play out and apologize if he gets off, I dont think he will, he broke the law

Once again, WHAT LAW?
CavalierX

Well since the technology to do so has only come lately, that question cant be answered easily.

It can't be answered at all, since no sucessful society of which I'm aware has ever mainstreamed deviant sexual practices of that nature.

Perhaps we will be the first that does it

So you admit it's a grand social experiment with no idea of the outcome.

it really isnt our business what people decide to do with their bodies

It's the kids I'm concerned with. She has no right to force her deviant views on them. She can mutilate herself as much as she wants for all I care -- unless government health care gets passed, after which she's doing it with MY money.

you being a believer that government should stay out of our personal lives and all

Until someone gets hurt. And that means those kids of hers.
StanW

It will be interesting to see your reaction if and when he is found guilty, I am sure you will come back with some liberal witch hunt and how conservatives are such victims, par for the course from you Stan.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-01 16:32:09

If O'Keefe is charge and convicted of a crime, I will do what I have always done crthns. I will say he is guilty of that crime.

Playing the victim is the Liberal meme. And if you want to hunt Liberal witches, just tune into The View!
whats_up

You don't know that, since there has not been a trial. I knew your bullshit about "Innocent until Proven Guilty" was just a front to defend a Liberal.

Glad I was able to put another of your lies to rest, crthns.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-01 16:20:09

It will be interesting to see your reaction if and when he is found guilty, I am sure you will come back with some liberal witch hunt and how conservatives are such victims, par for the course from you Stan.
StanW

he broke the law
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-01 16:18:06

You don't know that, since there has not been a trial. I knew your bullshit about "Innocent until Proven Guilty" was just a front to defend a Liberal.

Glad I was able to put another of your lies to rest, crthns.
whats_up

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-01 15:43:28

Stan, I will let it play out and apologize if he gets off, I dont think he will, he broke the law, I am sure there will be some punishment for it.
StanW

Classic Stan, you trying to tell anyone about innocent until proven guilty, give it a break.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-01 15:40:28

I believe in Innocent until Proven Guilty. I always have. You did when it was Leon Panetta on the hotseat. Now you don;t for O'Keefe.

I wonder why the change, crthns. And comments?
whats_up

You claim to be in favor of Innocent Until Proven Guilty, except in the case where someone on the Right is accused of a crime.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-01 15:22:34

Classic Stan, you trying to tell anyone about innocent until proven guilty, give it a break. Say werent you banned from this site. Ah another conservative that "follows the rules."
StanW

you being a believer that government should stay out of our personal lives and all.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-01 15:09:15

That has nothing to do with this discussion, crthns.

You claim to be in favor of Innocent Until Proven Guilty, except in the case where someone on the Right is accused of a crime.
whats_up

No matter which way social norms change, you will still be a hypocrite and an asshole crthns.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-01 13:44:03

And you will still be an idiot Stan.
whats_up

Name a successful human society that has embraced the self-mutilation of women to resemble men, or vice-versa.

Posted by CavalierX
2010-02-01 14:55:09

Well since the technology to do so has only come lately, that question cant be answered easily. Perhaps we will be the first that does it, either way it really isnt our business what people decide to do with their bodies, you being a believer that government should stay out of our personal lives and all.
CavalierX

Agreed, but what are social norms? History has show us that they change over time, as they are doing now.

Name a successful human society that has embraced the self-mutilation of women to resemble men, or vice-versa.
StanW

History has show us that they change over time, as they are doing now.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-01 13:27:34

No matter which way social norms change, you will still be a hypocrite and an asshole crthns.
whats_up

Society cannot function if we don't have some agreement on what is acceptable social norms.

Agreed, but what are social norms? History has show us that they change over time, as they are doing now.
rjschwarz

I'd prefer if the news and headline people were simply honest. Woman how had operation to become a man is still biologically a woman, wants a family and a lot of attention.
CavalierX

I feel so badly for all her kids. What horror shows their lives will be.