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John Hawkins Comparison: Liberal Reaction Vs. Conservative Reaction To The Israel/Flotilla Story
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Honestly, I don't find the Palestinian people to be the least bit sympathetic. They're backwards, genocidal, hyper-violent, sad sack Nazi wannabes led by terrorists who would happily murder every Jew on the planet if they could get away with it.

Then there are the Israelis. They're a tiny Western  democracy surrounded by backwards savages who want to murder them down to the last child because they're Jews. Moreover, despite all the claims to the contrary, they're the most restrained people on earth. If you don't believe that, consider the fact that they could simply drive the Palestinians off their land and take it at any point, but instead, they've chosen to permanently live beside of millions of people who make the Manson family look sane. If the Israelis were somehow replaced by Americans, we'd drive the Palestinians off their land at gunpoint in six months tops -- and we'd be perfectly justified in doing so.

So, that brings us to the relief flotillas. Note that I say  flotillas. This is the 9th time that they've tried to send a flotilla through Israel's blockade. Incidentally, Israel has that blockade in place for a very good reason: to keep weapons that will be used to murder Israelis from being shipped through to the Palestinians. So, since aid can be sent through the UN -- where it'll be checked for weapons -- what's the real point of these floatillas? It's an attempt to embarass the Israelis into giving up the blockade, so that weapons can be shipped to the Palestinians, so that more Jews can be killed.

In any case, this time around, the Jew haters on the flotilla made a critical Darwin Award worthy error: they assaulted an Israeli commando team with knives, sticks, and guns. The Israeli commandos responded, quite correctly in my opinion, by killing AT LEAST 10 of them.

Now, it's worth noting that the Left and Right have had a VERY different reaction to this incident. Let's take a look at some typical responses from the Right:

Let’s get this situation in perspective. ”Free Gaza” is a bunch of lunatics that’s tried to violate the blockade nine times in less than two years. They got precisely what they deserved – precisely. This is nothing but a public relations stunt.

Their “humanitarian aid” can go overland. They know it. They purposely loaded up with cement for Gaza in violation of the supplies allowed into Hamas-controlled Gaza, an organization that launches missiles daily into Israel civilian areas. Can cement go into Gaza? Yes, but only for declared projects. Otherwise, it will be used for military purposes. Everything on those ships could go into Gaza after inspection.

“Free Gaza” created this confrontation and paid the price.

...Israel did nothing wrong. Nothing. Not a single thing. -- Liberty Pundits
The so-called “peace activists” from Gaza AKA Hamas, use violence against the Israeli Navy Soldiers. What the hell were “peace activists” doing with guns, grenades, metal pipes? This was all to provoke. Israel was right in defending itself. -- Cubachi
Let's be clear, this flotilla had nothing to do with humanitarian supplies, which could have been shipped by land. The flotilla, if successful, would have opened the door to military supplies to Hamas concealed in later shipments.

Iranian desire to turn Gaza into the equivalent of the Hezbollah missile arsenal was the real purpose of the flotilla, with European useful idiots tagging along. That Turkey played a leading role as proxy for Iran in breaking the blockade is yet another sign that Turkey's growing alignment with Iran is a harbinger of bad things to come.

The flotilla was a collective human shield operation in which civilians, including reportedly including an 18 month old child, were put on the ships either to dissuade the Israelis from stopping the ships, or alternatively, to create an international incident. Prior to the flotilla launching, the leader of Hamas announced that it would be a triumph regardless of whether the flotilla landed or was stopped by Israel.

And it worked. While the exact death toll is not known as of this writing, when the Israelis attempted to board the ships, they were attacked and at least several passengers were killed. -- Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
Get ready for a tsunami of Jew-hating propaganda from the jihad-loving media. This marks the first time EU lawmakers were involved in an open attack on Israel...19 EUROPEAN LEGISLATORS WERE ALONG FOR THE RIDE IN PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACK AGAINST THE ISRAELI NAVY.

...Israel should sink those ships. -- Atlas Shrugs
You are about to witness a blood libel take shape in real time. By the time you read this, you will not doubt have been informed that the Israeli navy stormed the pro-Palestinian flotilla headed for Gaza and wantonly fired upon the peaceful activists within, killing many.

This is a lie. But it is a lie that will be repeated ad nauseum over the coming days, until it takes on all the appearance of truth. As you watch this happen, note well what it says about the people who repeat this lie, and the ease with which it is accepted by many ostensibly sensible and right thinking people. And note as well what this says about their claims to be compassionate, liberal, concerned citizens of the world.

...The Israeli soldiers reacted as anyone would react when attacked by a club and knife-wielding mob. And lastly, that they and Israel are about to be internationally crucified, once again, for doing precisely this.

...Moreover, it is already clear that this violence was undertaken with one purpose in mind and one purpose only – to provoke the political/media assault on Israel which is about to ensue. -- The New Ledger
Now, let's take a look at the some typical reactions from the Left side of the blogosphere,
Like segregation in the American South, the siege of Gaza (and the entire Israeli occupation, for that matter) is a moral abomination that should be intolerable to anyone claiming progressive values. It’s sad that it should require the deaths of non-Palestinians to finally shake the international community from apathy and inaction, but, as with the tragic murders of Goodman, Chaney, and Schwerner, if it contributes to ending the situation then that’s a positive outcome. -- Think Progress
Even so, Israel’s cavalier disregard for its own, already battered PR image is surprising. To attack a convoy of unarmed peace activists in international waters, and then to claim that it was the peace activists who committed the aggression, is so manifestly absurd that one wonders whether Israel truly has, as Chomsky recently implied, entered the "irrational" phase. I would caution against this conclusion. In the run-up to the voyage Israeli officials showed a keen awareness of the difficult PR situation they were in. It’s not that the Israeli government doesn’t care about its international image – far from it. Rather, the most plausible explanation is that, after a cost-benefit analysis, it determined that it would be able to attack the peace activists on the flotilla, take the concomitant day or two of bad media coverage in its stride, muddy the waters as much as possible with PR spin, and then move on without suffering too much damage as a result. Yousef Munayyer recently observed that ‘Palestinian non-violence requires global non-silence’. Evidently, the Israeli government took the risk of attacking the flotilla on the presumption that the world would be muted in its response.

It is time to disabuse them of that notion. Protests have been planned outside Israeli embassies worldwide - including across the US and in Israel - and Stop the War has called an emergency demonstration outside Downing Street today at 2pm. Make it if you can. -- Daily Kos
Israeli Commandos Kill Unarmed Civilians in International Waters

...Within minutes of the reports of the killings of the aid activists, the Israeli PR machine started spreading tales – claiming the activists were violent, attacked the Israelis and more.

...All reports place the ships outside Israeli waters making the attack a violation of international navigation laws and, in effect, piracy.
So, will Obama cancel the “friendly” meeting with Netanyahu this Tuesday planned by Rahm who is currently in Israel? Will NATO challenge Israel over this act of piracy against one of its member companies? -- Firedoglake
If it weren't so despicable, it would be laughable: To the outside world, the government of Benyamin Netanyahu is doing a perfect imitation of North Korea in its murderous assault last night on flotilla of peace activists bringing humanitarian supplies to Gaza. The activists aren't all pure, but Israel's government has just purified them. If it was bone-headed in barring Noam Chomsky from the West Bank at the Allenby Bridge last week, now it might as well be taking tips from Pyongyang. -- TPMCafe
I'll have more in the morning, especially on reactions from around the world, but this is a shocking crime against humanity showing no conscience whatsoever. President Obama has to realise at this point that supporting Israel is akin to Reagan's support for the Botha regime in South Africa in the 80's. -- Newshoggers
Let me tell you something, folks: it's at times like these when you get to see which side really supports Israel and, newsflash,  it isn't the political party that's in charge in this country today.

Update #1 After seeing this footage, I think Israel didn't kill nearly enough of the thugs on that ship,



Watch it. It's AMAZING footage.
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  • mazabdul
    Man, I bet those leftists are all united in hate of Israel and its great values and...
    what's this...
    It seems the main page of Haaretz has a piece on the vice president of a certain country touting Israel's right to defend itself. Well this shakes my rock-solid theory about the left being a bunch of terrorist coddlers. It seems that your theory that the Left is anti-Israel might face more heat than Intelligent Design in a serious analysis, gentlemen. Seems like at the end of the day, it's just cold hard politics and not morality that dominates the scene, no matter what flag you wave.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/b...
    Enjoy another revelation about the illusion of two factions in America
  • The exception proves the rule; all the lefties here are bashing Israel eh?
  • Kal_El
    Each and every one of those jihad floatillas should have been sunk. F*ck anyone on board.
  • ray
    I'd really like to know why the commandos did not throw some stun grenades before coming down into the mob
  • TheDickNixon
    Supposedly, there will be another terrorist infested boat coming thru in the next day or so. The MV RACHEL CORRIE aka the SS Saint Pancake.

    Nixon hopes there is footage of the HARPOON the Israeli's use to blow it from the water on Fox that night.
  • blkdragon
    I think I'd prefer it if they pull a battleship or two out of mothballs and give the SS Saint Pancake a full broadside from point blank range when they refuse to follow orders.
  • Toastrider
    Time to tell a little story.

    Back in 2005, Western philanthropists paid for the construction of greenhouses in Gaza. Greenhouses which could be used to grow various crops and flowers, and perhaps start a stabilizing trend in the territory. It might not have been much, but it was a start, dammit.

    When the Israelis disengaged from Gaza and left, later that year, the Palestinians took over. Did they try to use the greenhouses? Maintain them?

    No. They looted and destroyed them.

    A friend of mine and I often joke about 'this is why you can't have nice things' when one of us is clumsy. When I look at this, it's no joke.

    Now, tell me again why I should care about a pack of Neanderthals who can't even be bothered to tend to something which could be useful?
  • Gary Grey
    I have only the highest praise for the Israelis ability to see through their enemies foolish attempts to get them to succunb to the confused diplomatic policy of the current U.S. administration. There are many clear sighted Conservative Americans that see through our foolish American foreign policy.
  • reelman
    This one is soooo easy.
    Which group (jews or moslems over there) involved has a long-known history of lying and violence against innocents worldwide?

    Did I say "easy"? Not easy when you are a dufus biased libmedia joke sinking in a quicksand of illusions. Who do they think they are fooling month after month with this alternate reality reporting???
  • Neda
    Wooooooow...deleted again??? Whyyyyy?!?! If you speak the truth...then why feel compelled to delete my comments? I'll tell you...cause your prolly a Mossad cyber agent...or just w lying piece of shit that's willing to hide the truth to prove a point!

    DOWN with Israel & my generation will be the one to accomplish this!
  • Kal_El
    Funny, the last two generations said the same thing. How's that working out for you, khanzira?
  • Mr. EMT
    Your mother is an agent of the mossad.
  • Mediumheadboy
    Flagged for being a stupid goat-raping pile of shit
  • Pkudude99
    If I'd been the commander there, I'd have pulled my people off that 6th boat and then fired anti-ship missiles. The fact that this blockade is merely redirecting the ships that try to run it seems foolish to me, but if the morons trying it are willing to peacefully redirect, then fine whatever. But this ship actively resisted and thus should be at the bottom of the sea.






  • Agreed, 100%. They were warned and knew the risks of running a blockade, trying to create an incident.

    Israel is showing remarkable restraint, in my opinion.





  • computerjockey
    And shoot the ones that tried to abandon ship...
  • Kal_El
    Why waste ammo? Let them swim the distance to shore. In Cyprus.
  • Neda
    I wonder why you've chosen to delete my comments...perhaps you do not want the world to know the truth about Israel....

  • Mediumheadboy
    Or more likely you're a goat-fucking pro-terrorist waste of skin.
  • computerjockey
    Why are you dwelling on her good points? :)
  • TheDickNixon
    From the Gateway Pundit The Gaza Flotilla has ties to terrorists. Say it isn't so!

    "In the wake of the deadly battle at sea, Israel has been telling the world that the prime sponsor of the so-called “Gaza Flotilla” is a terrorist linked organization. Many news organizations, (including the New York Times, Reuters, and the British Broadcasting Corporation), are ignoring this charge and continue to refer the so-called victims as peaceful Palestinian advocates.

    A week ago, the Republic of Cyprus denied the flotilla any access to its ports. Despite some international criticism, the Cypriot government did not want to be party to a dangerous scheme by a confrontation minded group.The Cypriots clearly did their homework – something that the news media did not.

    A quick search of Internet reveals that Turkish based International Humanitarian Fund (IHH) is embedded with terrorists and their organizations. Like Hamas they provide humanitarian aid but their clients include Al Qaeda, Hamas, etc. Turkish security forces raided the Istanbul office of IHH. IHH activists were arrested, and Turkish security forces found explosives, manuals, and weapons. (For authoritative information on IHH click here.)

    According to the French intelligence, the president of IHH (Bulent Yildirim) recruited “Jihad warriors” and transferred firearms, and explosives to Al Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists organizations. IHH has also been fingered for producing documents so Islamic terrorists can travel by air posing as relief workers. And IHH was involved with the terrorist who tried to smuggle 1320 pounds of explosives to be used to blow up Los Angeles International Airport.

    This is a partial picture of the forces challenging Israel. These are people who are determined to destroy the Jewish State. These facts are not being broadcast in the many hours of news time being given to the Flotilla story."

    Also, one of the Palestinian admirers on the thread made the claim 19-20 people were killed by the IDF. The actual count is 9-10 so far. A lie perhaps?

    Death to Hamas and their pagan religion.
  • D-Vega
    I would have to go with the IDF on this one.

    Although I am not creaming as much as you guys, the Israelis did their job here. It got messy, and some heads will roll in terms of execution of certain operations like these, they were restrained until they ask for permission to fire. Up until that point they were not firing. How do we know? Because the flotilla passengers would not have been able to attack them or throw them overboard if the IDF would have begun shooting as soon as they boarded.

    So there needs to be some adjustment in the embargo procedures, but the IDF didn't committ a massacre. It was a cofrontation that got messy. I wouldn't call the Free Gaza people terrorists, but this is a very dangerous area of the world and there needs to be cooperation if they going to be sending non-military aid to the Pals.

    Its a sad story, but ultimately Hamas is responsible for these people dying.
  • LampofDiogenes
    Have to agree, Vega - the IDF DID NOT cover themselves with glory for their handling of this. They could have done a much better job, and might not have had to kill anyone. The "peace flotilla" organizers couldn't have planned for a better result than what they got.
  • Pork_Soda
    I would argue D that the IDF did have a some culpability because they didn't go heavy enough. Whoever was the commander at the scene had no idea wtf they were getting into. They exposed their troops to an unnecessary amount danger. The boarding of the vessel looked like amateur hour.
  • D-Vega
    Right, guys. This is a very tricky situation. As usual, Israel is a little guilty. But when you are dealing with the likes of the Pals, and especially sick dogs like Hamas, you are always going to get dirty.

    This is not the first time the IDF has gotten messy, but this is an area unlike anywhere else in the world.

    If Hamas were to work with Israel, as the Pals have done for yrs under Arafat, this would not have happened. At worst, the IDF would have inspected the ship and seized whatever was contraband.

    The way the embargo works now, things like coffee is banned, but skin creme is not. And that is because there is little or no communication between Gaza and Israel.

    I don't want any innocent, or non-violent, people hurt. But I would rather save my sympathy for the Koreans on the boat that the North Koreans sank. A much more serious crime, and one that is not getting nearly the attention from the UN, or from anywhere else except the US and South Korea.
  • blkdragon
    You're close here Vega, but Hamas aren't sick dogs. They are rabid. The only cure is to put them down.
  • Neda
    Oooo almost forgot...the Arabs of the middle east don't hate all Jews because they are Jews...trust me, I would know as I am a proud PALESTINIAN...we simply hate the ZIONISTS because they are the aggressors. They came into OUR land, confiscated homes (some that had been passed down for several generations), raped women in front of their spouses, fathers and children. Every Palestinian family has at least one if not several family members that left home only to never be seen again only to be held in Israeli jails for decades...no evidence, no trial! They place curfews for no reason, confiscate international aid money (over 400 million a year), they've conducted 40+ massacres killing thousands is Palestinians, mostly unarmed women & children!

    Seriously, I could go on for days...but I think I've proved my point. YES we hate the zionists...and YES I wish every Israeli would get the fuck out the middle east and go back to Russia or Brooklyn so that the REAL people of that region can go back to the homes their great grandparents built!
  • Kal_El
    Your kind have been going on for 60 years. That land was inhabited by Jews 3500 years before Muhammad had his hallucination in the cave that dumped islam on the world. Funny you mention 40+ massacres. Do you feel the same anger at the 3000 that died on 9/11? How about the victims in London's 7/7 jihad? Or Madrid's 3/11? How about the Khobar Towers? The US Marines Barracks in Beirut in '83? The 98 victims of the jihadis who bombed the mosque in Lahore? The innocent civilians in the Mumbai Massacre? See, I could go on for WEEKS, not days, mentioning the muslim aggression against dar-ul-harb. Do you not care that Hamas recently demolished a bunch of Gaza homes for their own use in jihad? Is it ok for Hamas to kick Palestinians out of their homes, but not IDF when clearing a rocket launch site?

    You say those homes were passed down for several generations. The Jews have claim to that land for several MILLENIA. The occupying muslims made that it a wasteland, it has flourished in the 60 plus years since the return of the Jews. Funny thing, kind of makes allah look like he is either incompetent, or imaginary, considering every single muslim nation I lived in or visited was a shithole by comparison, despite having been around hundreds of years before Israel was restored, and having all that oil wealth.
  • BIG_RWN
    Can you tell me the form of governement your Palestinian people had before the Zionists came and destroyed your government and took away your land? Was it a Democracy? A Republic? A Theocracy? A Monarchy?
    Because I keep hearing about this great country called "Palestine", yet I can not find any mention of a people that identified themselves as "Palestinians" prior to the 1960's. I look at maps from a hundred years ago and all I see in that part of the world is a a land called the "Ottoman Empire". Did the Ottoman's also steal your land?
    I have seen references to some Arabs that lived in the region alongside the Jews prior to 1948. One of the more interesting leaders of your people was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The man Yassir Arafat claimed was his uncle. Is this man the leader of your proud tradition? I would love to hear more about him from you if you can tell us.
  • Kal_El
    The mufti was buddies with Hitler. That is all one needs to know to know where the "Palestinians" stand, regarding Judaism. And Christianity for that matter, which Hitler lamented was soft, and flabby, unlike islam.
  • mightysamurai
    I am a proud PALESTINIAN


    Saw it coming a mile away.
  • Ian
    "I wish every Israeli would get the fuck out the middle east and go back to Russia or Brooklyn so that the REAL people of that region can go back to the homes their great grandparents built!"

    The "real people of that region" are the Jews. It is the Muslims who are the interlopers, stealing land from the indigenous Jews. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a Muslim Palestinian. It is an artificial construct framed by Muslims with no legitimate historical connection to the land. The real Palestinians were the ancient Jews. Palestine was what the Romans called the land, when it was dominated by the Jews. So, Neda, you and your people can get out of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank, and go back to Jordan, or Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, or from wherever you lying, thieving filth originate.
  • "and go back to Jordan, or Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon,". You forgot Syria, Libya, Persia (Iran), Babylonia (Iraq), and a few others. Your point, however, is right on target. I believe you are Biblically correct and add these others only to help drive home the point.

    The land never belonged to "Palestinians" because "Palestine" never existed.

    Neda, it's too difficult for those of us who stay informed, most often without heavy bias, to believe a people openly and publicly hell-bent on not only humiliating, but beheading, anyone/everyone who does not believe as they do. There is no "negotiation" or "detente" or "peace" with peoples who are, and have been bred to be, murderous terrorists.

    Are you, Neda, a woman who resides outside of the Middle East? My apologies if I am incorrect, but if you are a woman and did live in the Middle East, you could be stoned to death by your own people for not being submissive enough. That doesn't strike me as a civilized or kind/loving/benevolent religious practice to me.

    Not so easy for anyone to lie these days when nearly everyone has access to video. We'll be able to discern for ourselves--until the Internet is completely controlled or shut down all-together.

    It's been interesting to watch the news briefs on this--since the "slant" is directly dependent on which view each reporter/journalist/media owner wants to shove down our throats.

    God will protect Israel and a remnant of her people--and He'll direct Israel to protect Israel.




  • Kal_El
    Ian, you are the dude =)
  • Caanite
    " The "real people of that region" are the Jews. It is the Muslims who are the interlopers, stealing land from the indigenous Jews. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a Muslim Palestinian. It is an artificial construct framed by Muslims with no legitimate historical connection to the land. The real Palestinians were the ancient Jews. Palestine was what the Romans called the land, when it was dominated by the Jews. "

    maybe 2000 years ago but how much of jews especially European Askenazi Jews , the ones who founded Israel have with the original Jews? They have European feautures ie fair skin and brown/blonde hair, ethiopian Jews are black, Chinese Jews look Chinese etc. This probably is down to a lot of interbreeding so how much of them are actually returning to Israel.
    Picture to demonstate
    http://www.jewishmultiracialnetwork.org/

    The Muslims of the Levant are decended directly from the Jews of this era (and the arab conquerors). They simply took the religion and language of their conquers like the Aztecs of Mexico who are catholic and speak Spanish.



    "So, Neda, you and your people can get out of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank, and go back to Jordan, or Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, or from wherever you lying, thieving filth originate. "

    Only if Americans get out of America and go back to Germany/ Scandinavian/ Britain. Using your arguments they have no historic connection to it either. Muslims/arabs have been living in the Levant longer than Europeans in America. If you want to turn back to 2000 years ago then it shouldn't Just apply to Jews

  • TheDickNixon
    Flagged for strawman and threadjack.
  • Ian
    Everything you have written is nonsense.

    There were Jews present in the area for millenia, up until 1948. The area was never free of Jews. The European Jews who went to Israel were Jews, no matter their skin, hair, or eye colouring. Furthermore, they were descended from the ancient Jews. Genetic research of Ashkenazi Jews proves the genetic link between them and ancient Jews. This cannot be said for the majority of Muslims in the area, who came as conquerors. Also, the stark, bitter reality for you is that Muslims are the interlopers in the area, not the Jews.

    Neda raised the erroneous argument that Jews were the interlopers. Again, this is not the case. The Muslims are the interlopers, as such they should leave the area. If you believe that Americans of Germanic/Scandinavian/British stock should leave America, as you suggest, then you must also believe that Muslims should leave Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza; otherwise, you are a hypocrit.
  • Caanite

    "There were Jews present in the area for millenia, up until 1948. The area was never free of Jews. The European Jews who went to Israel were Jews, no matter their skin, hair, or eye colouring. Furthermore, they were descended from the ancient Jews. Genetic research of Ashkenazi Jews proves the genetic link between them and ancient Jews."

    They were always Jews in Israel but the vast majority of Israelis are not these. They are either Jews from Arab lands or ones from Europe. It was the ones from Europe that found Israel (the arab Jews came after the 1948 war). And the evidence is their link to Israel is remote. Cultural link yes , ancestral link no.

    There is a genetic link ie someone from a Jews family tree will have been from ancient Israel but over the years due to mixing of populations they will have more genetic links to the host population than the original stock ie an Ethiopian Jew looks more like a non Jewish Ethiopian than to a European Jew. For every 1 Jewish ancestor they might have 7 European ancestors. therefore it is wrong for them to be displaced



    " This cannot be said for the majority of Muslims in the area, who came as conquerors. Also, the stark, bitter reality for you is that Muslims are the interlopers in the area, not the Jews."

    Genetic Data shows there was a lot of admixture between conquerors and conquered similar to Mexicans ie Mixed Spanish/ Aztec. It is widely known that many people forcibly got converted to Islam hence were Jews before. On a different note many catholics from Spain also got forcibley converted.





    "
    Neda raised the erroneous argument that Jews were the interlopers. Again, this is not the case. The Muslims are the interlopers, as such they should leave the area. If you believe that Americans of Germanic/Scandinavian/British stock should leave America, as you suggest, then you must also believe that Muslims should leave Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza; otherwise, you are a hypocrit. "

    I did not state that Germanic/Scandinavian/British stock should leave America (no one has the power force them to anyway) but in your logic if the Arabs have no right to live in Israel/west bank Gaza then by the same logic Europeans have no right to live in America.

  • Caanite
    Shlomo Sand an Israeli Jew who I'm sure is an "anti semite" and "self hating Jew" also disputes the Zionist version of events
  • Shlomo Sand is a Communist (as in an actual Communist, not a leftist) who admitted he took this tack just to delegitimize Israel

    http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2010/04/shlomo-sands-lies-dont-go-away/

    His academic background is in French Marxism, which has nothing to do with Jewish history.
  • Ian
    There are self-hating Jews. Just as there are self-haters of other groups. There are Jews who speak out against Israel. I do not know Shlomo Sand. I have known other of these Jews who are critical of Israel. There is a common thread to them. They tend to be Socialists/Marxists/Communists and put that ideology above the consideration of historical/political truth. And I do mean truth, as in the actual events which have taken place, not manufactured spin. They are, in other words, ignorant and delusional.

    As a final note, I know you may very well respond to this. I have a life to lead. Do not think for an instant that my lack of response to any further comments you make will be because I have not a counterargument. That is not the case. I simply have not the time. Besides, you have no argument.

    In summary, the Muslims are the interlopers/aggressors in the area. They have no claim to the land of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. The Jews have just taken back what was rightfully theirs.

    Oh, and one other thing. You use the moniker "Caanite". I assume you mean to suggest that you are descended from the ancient group of Canaanites. If you are Muslim, even a so-called Palestinian, chances are, you are not.
  • Caanite
    I have purposely used Canaanite as I came to this blog randomly but I'm not muslim/ Palestinian but support their cause strongly. I've picked this as because as you prob know they were the tribe before the Israelites. They do probably integrated into the Isralite tribe and later stayed made up the arab population
  • At least TRY to get your history right, if not the spelling. Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, and they were living in the broader area of the middle east, predating the Canaan conquest.
  • Caanite
    I wasn't talking about the Arabs. The Canaanite were the tribes before the Israelites
  • So when you said They do probably integrated into the Isralite tribe and later stayed made up the arab population "you didn't actually mean Arabs? Are you insane or just stupid?
  • TheDickNixon
    Sounds like bullshit to Nixon. Flagged for lying.
  • Caanite
    Maybe in America the pro Palestinian is small and Muslim but in UK all religions / creeds support the free Palestine Movement. Anyway waste of time talking to you guys. Will now read comments with like minded sensible people

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jun/01/israel-flotilla-raid-fallout-live?showallcomments=true#comment-51

  • Kal_El
    Free Gaza with the purchase of one West Bank of equal or greater value!
  • LampofDiogenes
    Oh, and I should care WTF the "Europeans" think, WHY, exactly?

    You may not be a Muslim/Palestinian; you are clearly an anti-Semite, leftist idiot. But, thanks for playing.
  • Neda
    I find it quite interesting to hear you use the term "terrorists"....you really might find it beneficial to read up on your "tiny little democracy's" history. Israel was founded by a group of ziontist terrorist that
    only got the tiny piece of land after terrorizing and murdering several British soldiers. Whatever land they got after was also by means of terrorism. As far as propoganda, the lying sack of shit Israeli's have been using the media to fool the world...it's about time the international community see them for the awful monsters they really are!

    Still don't believe me...google israeli's massacre Palestinians...and see for yourself how democratic this piece of shit country really is! Shame on every HYPOCRITE of an American that supports these murderers!
  • Kal_El
    And you can take a gander at http://thereligionofpeace.com to read up on the 1400 years of massacres perpetrated by muslims, the invasions of dozens of nations, destruction of indigenous culture, forced conversions, and outright intolerance to the kafir, whether he be Jew (Banu Qurayzah), Christian (Assyrians), Buddhist (Afghanistan/parts of India), Hindu (India), Pagan (pre-islam Arabs, north Africans) or Animist (various tribes across the African continent). That should shed some light on where the locals in Gaza get their ideaology from.
  • Mediumheadboy
    Go away, you goat-fellating pile of garbage, and take your insane pedophile of a "prophet" with you.
  • jack
    You are a shmuck. I think the palestinians are terrorists because they kill women and child as well as innocent people all over isreal. If your terrorist leaders would stop strapping bombs onto women and child and your gutless men only to kill civilians maybe just maybe your people would get some peace. Untell you dump the murderers you will never get the support from the American people that you want. As far as your disgusting people moving into our country for the sake of taking anything over politically? You better rethink that position because we as Americans will never accept you Jew hating Nazis.
  • Ian
    Yes, Neda, there was violence in ending the Muslim and British occupation of Israel. So what? You Muslims took the area by force, and the Jews took it back.
  • Pork_Soda
    I'm going straight for the 'David Horowitz' question here:

    Do you support Hamas or Hezbollah? Yes or no...
  • Caanite
    The silence is deafening about the terrorism by the Israeli founding fathers. I'd at least expect a lousy attempt to say how the terrorism was different
  • We're talking about this event in which the IDF defended its self and the blockade, not your twisted, hate-filled version of history.
  • FactsRule
    These three videos of this barbaric attack on Israelis doing their jobs really tell the complete story of the actual incident 10 out of 5 stars! http://www.youtube.com/user/idfnadesk

    Also, the best in depth coverage I've seen (I've seen a lot) is at http://honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Special_Alert_Flotilla_Battle_Unleashes_Anti-Israel_Wave.asp
  • scott
    So how many times do you allow your buddy to be beaten with metal rods before you shoot the bast****?

    Can't believe the amount of patience the Israelis have ....

    Thanks for the video ... can't seem to find it anywhere else!
  • gorak
    For great justice
  • TheDickNixon
    Nixon is still laughing about this "incident". The Israeli's really did the world a favor by working these animals over.

    Death to Hamas.
  • baruch hashem
    Stop this shaygitz yehudim, of zionism-freemasonry criminals. All the munser jews, back to israel , where you can serve your father , satan , freely !!!
  • Mediumheadboy
    Flagged for idiotic semi-literate douchebaggery.
  • Charles Martel
    Are you a Muslim? If so, that would explain a lot.
  • Pork_Soda
    Baruch Atah Adonai.

    Who left the cage door open?
  • blkdragon
    Great, we have a new low in ignorant troll on the site.
  • Elise
    what people do not understand is that the Islamic extremists have changed the tone of warfare. They hide behind innocent civilians and claim that they are unarmed. I think the world needs to wake up to this obvious threat to the values of democracies.
  • blkdragon
    We need to start refusing these islamic animals the protections of the Geneva Conventions as they don't qualify for them in the first place. The terms pirate, terrorist, and war criminal fit in just about everything they do. As such under the Geneva Conventions they have a right to a battle field conviction followed by immediate execution. Problem solved.
  • Kal_El
    @ blkdragon,

    I couldn't agree more. They ignore the Geneva Convention at every turn, beheading prisoners on video (Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg), dragging burnt bodies through the streets (Fallujah), strapping bombs to kids (in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan to name a few), and using human shields. Take no prisoners should be our military's policy, included in General Order 1.
  • LarryE
    Damn! They could have killed those Israelis with those metal pipes. Don't those peace-loving activists have any compassion? Imagine if those were baby seals they were clubbing?
  • LOL, if those were baby seals they were clubbing, we would be calling bunker busters every 12 inches until Gaza was only so much dust and metal bits.

    What is your problem? Have you not heard? Humans are a virus that needs to be exterminated down to 500 million while dumb animals must be preserved at ALL costs.
  • scott
    Thought they did kill some of the Israelis....
  • BUTT POOP SHIT. SHIT SHIT POOP!
  • Mediumheadboy
    Well, you make more sense than Peter/zimmy/Jack Off ever did.
  • Man this really brought out the hate-filled radical anti-semites didn't it?
  • Richard Bagg
    To hell with it... Nuke Turkey.. and fly over Gaza with cropdusters loaded with PIG JUICE (extract made from boiled hogs). And roll after roll of toilet paper made from the Koran....
  • Kal_El
    No no no, Turkey is not the root of the problem, islam is. Nuke mecca, and medina, fill the craters with pig blood. Show them their moon-god allah is imaginary.
  • Caanite
    Just shows how meaningless the word "terrorist" is where they label starved siege people lobbing low grade rockets that killed 10 people over a number of years "terrorists" but advocate nuking countries.
  • Here are some samples of the tragic "starvation" in Gaza

    http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/05/barak-no-humanitarian-crisis-in-gaza-and-israel-will-defend-itself.html

    http://blog.dailyalert.org/2010/05/24/gaza-faces-supply-glut-from-smuggled-goods/

    But there is a tragic surplus of Korean fridges in Gaza

    "Tunnel operators have also flooded Gaza with Korean refrigerators, German food mixers and Chinese air conditioning units. “Everything I demand, I can get,” says Abu Amar al-Kahlout, who sells household goods out of a warehouse big enough to accommodate a passenger jet."
  • Caanite
    Looked elsewhere on site and pictures are from Nov 2009 and before Cast Lead so hardly can be "recent" http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001072.html . Picture from "Jihadwatch" from same subjection (hardly a neutral source of info).
  • Mr. EMT
    Gee, didn't hamas etc sign a cease fire?
    Oh yeah, forgot, no one was supposed to actually cease firing except Israel while they are targeted by "low grade" rockets.
  • TheDickNixon
    FLagged for lying. Gaza receives large amounts of humanitarian aid through the UN. If they are starving, perhaps Hamas is stealing the aid to feed their terrorist army.

    Good to see you on record supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. Birds of a feather etc.
  • Caanite
    as for Hamas/ Hezbollah- I'm more of a supporter of PLO i.e. secular Marxist
  • There is no secular PLO Marxism anymore. Fatah has long since turned Islamist to compete with Hamas. Hence their embrace of the cult of martyrdom.
  • Mr. EMT
    I can not believe America tolerates any supporter of PLO on our soil after the deaths of our military and citizens at their hands.
    However, caanite, thanks for letting us know you support enemies of America, we know what your opinions are worth when you do so.
  • Caanite
    I don't live in the USA thank God. I came on this site via a twitter hashtag. Btw You had many IRA people living on your soil with inpunity and that was ok
  • Kal_El
    Te IRA wasn't blowing up women and children intentionally, on a daily basis. Nor were they flying airplanes into skyscrapers, beheading their mothers/daughters/sisters/nieces/etc... for suspected behavior that was not Irish enough, advocating for the destruction of any nation or group of people. But guess who HAS been doing those things... muslims.
  • Mr. EMT
    Hey do you have room in your basement? There is a couple of trolls here that would love... LOVE to move in with you.
    You share the same ideologies they do so i'm sure you would all be able to cohabitate together ... You can spend all day walking along the beach or forest or path or wherever you enjoy long walks discussing the finer things in life.... how America is bad for forcing its views on other people and how great it is to be able to walk out and butt fuck your brother with impunity while judicial gang rapes happen to your sisters and honor killing family is the best way to preserve the heritage given to you by a religious leader who married an 8 year old.
  • Caanite
    You should really get a passport and travel more and see how people actually live rather than believe what you read. I know better to think that the right wing reactionary pond life in America isn't how most people are other there.
  • Kal_El
    I have a passport, and am about to get pages added to it for the second time in 4 years. I've lived in muslim countries, having visited 5 of them, some sunni majority, some shia. I have also lived in Europe, so I have seen how the other side of the pond lives. Same in South America. As for right wing, you are mistaken, we are centrists. The right wingers are the nazis and other assorted fascists, like the PLO. The left wingers are communists/socialists/progressives, whatever you want to call them.
  • Mr. EMT
    Silly of you to make an assumption about where I have been and what I have seen.
  • Mediumheadboy
    Hey, welcome back, Peter! See you have another new screen name. Seriously, is independent thought completely unknown on the left?
  • TheDickNixon
    So you prefer killing school kids and blowing up restaurants. Gotcha.

    How did Arafat contract AIDS?
  • Caanite
    Says the person who laughs at protesters getting run over by bulldozers/ wants to sink boats and is silent when somebody wants to nuke a country. If you are so against terrorist tactics then why support a nation founded on one ie King David Hotel Bombing. The current president went to the celebration of that a few years back.
  • Charles Martel
    A typical lefty troll. Get your head checked you imbecile.
  • Kal_El
    @ Charles Martel,

    That was a hell of a job you did at Tours =P
  • Mr. EMT
    No one wants to nuke a country...
    Just the land occupied by the lowest forms of human filth still alive.

    Honestly, I dont want to nuke them.
    Just give all the terrorists a nice deserted isle. Walk away.
    A year later they will all have gonosypharealitis or some other mutated strain of STD from ass raping themselves silly in the name of allah and die.
  • Kal_El
    Send them to Antarctica. Problem solved.
  • Caanite
    "No one wants to nuke a country...
    Just the land occupied by the lowest forms of human filth still alive."

    Colonial land grabs- at least you are being honest now. The same reason was used to justify genocide in America, Australia and now the Middle East
  • Kal_El
    No one does genocide quite like the middle east. Except maybe the Mongols. What happened to Zoroastrian Persia? Conquered and the Zoroastrians were all but exterminated by Arab muslims. The Assyrians? Pretty much the same thing, there are now around 300,000 Assyrians left in the world today. How about the native cultures in the Maghreb (occupied muslim nations in North Africa)? Colonized and overrun with islam, by, YOU GUESSED IT, muslim Arabs. Seeing a pattern here?
  • computerjockey
    Right, like every other country in the world hasn't been purchased with blood at some point. Boo - fricking - hoo. And Islam is one of the worst perpetrators on the scene...
  • Caanite
    Britain thought they had that arrangement when they got rid of their religious nuts to America. Unfortunately they have grown more powerful and dragging Britain into her wars.
  • blkdragon
    While it is true the U.S.A. kicked Britain's rear in one war, we then tuned around and saved their ass it TWO others. They are now considered allies, and allies assist each other, especially when they agree on what needs to be done.
  • Mr. EMT
    People who immigrated here from great Britain did so at the crown's behest to colonize this land. Not because they were religious nuts. On the contrary people later adopted religious freedom here.
    The French and Spanish also sent people over to colonize.
    My family has been in Texas since the early 1800's and were mexican citizens before we became Texans, and then later Americans.
    Your ignorance in history and facts continues to show no bounds.

    The only religious nuts to be seen over the last 2000+ years shout the name allah before taking off someone's head, or ass raping a goat.
  • I guess that means you have no answer to those points, then? Thanks, that means you concede the points and admit that you back baby murdering scum terrorists.

    But then you just admitted you're a marxist; any means to an end right?
  • Caanite
    Baby scum murdering terrorist is a good way to describe Israel. As mentioned Jewish terrorists like Irgun are celebrated in Israel even by the president http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece (and Livni's Parents were members) and for them that was an end to a means. Both sides have used terrorism to get this way so stop being so one sided.
  • Thanks for the confirmation of your inability to respond to these points. Your repeated attempts at deflection speak even louder than your failure to even bother answering.
  • Farfurfan
    Hilarious! All you jew-haters can dig up is Irgun and King David hotel. Your own muslim nazi buddies can fill many volumes with all the horrific crimes you have unleashed on our planet, starting from your baby-rapist Mo Pbuh all the way until a few minutes ago. Baby scum murdering terrorist? Were you writing in front of a mirror?
  • computerjockey
    I hope you mean pi$s be upon him by pbuh
  • Kal_El
    @ computerjockey,

    Damn, I thought it meant Peanut Butter Upon Him...
  • Caanite
    "Hilarious! All you jew-haters can dig up is Irgun and King David hotel. "

    This one attack killed a lot more people than the Gazan rockets did over the last few years. At that rate the Jewish people would survive for a few Million years. Not very successful Nazis are they? So stop using this as an excuse for peace talks.


    " Baby scum murdering terrorist? Were you writing in front of a mirror? "

    No but could have been watching the Gazan massacre on youtube

  • Mr. EMT
    Marx and stalin have their own mass graves. He confirmed it as much as anyone can.
  • mightysamurai
    Says the person who laughs at protesters getting run over by bulldozers


    "Protestors". Right.

    Funny how you admit in one breath that these people have been lobbing rockets into Jewish neighborhoods, then in the next breath refer to them merely as "protestors".

    What are they "protesting" against? The fact that Jews are being allowed to live?
  • Caanite
    "Protestors". Right.

    Funny how you admit in one breath that these people have been lobbing rockets into Jewish neighborhoods, then in the next breath refer to them merely as "protestors".

    The specific person I was referring to was Rachael Corrie and there is no evidence that she wasn't lobbing rockets at everyone
  • jldnd
    Caanite, ok, let's leave the political debate for a moment. Take a look at your glorified bunch in the flotilla. Do you really think it is such a great idea to take an 18 month old baby to such a journey? Do you really trust the judgment of someone who does not even care for the life of his own baby? Does that sound like the act of a "Peaceful" person?
  • blkdragon
    She may not have been the one firing the rockets, but she was aiding and abetting the terrorists. When she was ACCIDENTALLY run over she was attempting to stop the destruction of a house being used to hide a smuggling tunnel.
    And you can't tell me that she hadn't seen anything proving she was working with terrorists and actually believed those animals were innocent. She chose her side. It cost her her life. Too bad, so sad. I hope she has a comfy seat in hell.
  • TheDickNixon
    You mean St Pancake.
  • TheDickNixon
    Nixon has not called for anyone to be nuked. If you are going to tell lies, my foreign friend, try to be more creative.

    And yes, St Pancake got what she deserved.
  • Pork_Soda
    I fart in her general direction. Her and her slavering Arafat worshiping parents and anyone allowing themselves to be tools of whatever Paly gov reigns.
  • Caanite

    "Good to see you on record supporting Hamas and Hezbollah. Birds of a feather etc. "

    And I presume you are on record for nuking countries that don't follow the American Global agenda?
  • Farfurfan
    I am on record for wanting to nuke my burrito. Man, it must be tough living without a brain! My deepest sympathies to your loved ones.
  • TheDickNixon
    Nope. Flagged for strawman and threadjacking.
  • TheDickNixon
    Lifted from the Gateway Pundit:

    Aaron Klein, Jerusalem bureau chief for World Net Daily, reports from New York:

    The group behind the Gaza flotilla that engaged in deadly clashes with Israeli commandoes today counts among its top activists Weather Underground terrorist founders William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn as well as Jodie Evans, the leader of the radical activist organization Code Pink.

    Ayers and Dohrn were close associates for years with President Obama, while Evans was a fundraiser and financial bundler for Obama’s presidential campaign.
  • mazabdul
    Look, it's not rocket science. They shot 19 civilians on a boat with no armaments. There is no rational way to say it's anything but military brutality. 'Oh, but they're terrorists, oh but they hate us, oh but they call for our death' The rhetoric is irrelevant. The state of Israel is showing it's morally hollow by killing civilians for bringing food to the other civilians it starves and tortures. Enough of this, 'sure we massacre children, but they're bad people'. This isn't the Old Testamant, it's the 21st century. They should act like human beings
  • computerjockey
    I didn't realize that pipes and incendiary devices weren't weapons... You are apparently all for Israel showing restraint, but do you say anything when some Pally with a bulldozer kills civilians? Or fires mortars in civilian neighborhoods? Or Qassam rockets?
  • Mr. EMT
    Can you name a country where you can physically attack their special forces after trespassing, after declaring your unlawful intentions, after being warned repeatedly you need to cease and desist your actions, and not be skull fucked?
    Go ahead, I want you to attempt to somehow be more of an imbecile.
  • Caanite
    If any other countries sent armed commandos in International waters on a civilian ship it would be called piracy and the crew fighting back would be expected/ congratulated.
  • blkdragon
    No, the U.S. Navy and Coast Guard routinely conduct patrols for drug runners in international waters and do attempt to stop and search said vessels.
  • Mr. EMT
    Read my post again moron.
  • Pam
    Did you see the video?!!!!
    None of those animals should have been left alive!!
    The soldiers took a lot of brutally before defending themselves!
  • If truth, history, and reality mattered, these leftist freaks wouldn't be the Jew-hating idiots that they are.
  • Caanite
    Leftists- Jew hating? please! Jews have played an important part for the fight of the social justice all over the world. Unfortunately many switched their support to the ideology of Zionism a colonial , racist, oppressive regime they were fighting for the first few years of the decade. There are many like Chomsky and Sholmo Sands that I've got admiration for
  • Mediumheadboy
    Flagged for being an asshat
  • Look, it's not rocket science. They shot 19 civilians on a boat with no armaments.

    Other than the guns and other weapons they used against the IDF who were using paint guns. other than those, you mean.
  • Those 'civilians' assulted, with 'deadly force' IDF troops there to inspect a cargo. SELF DEFENSE is not an act of 'military brutality.'
  • mightysamurai
    I guess knives, steel pipes, and oh yeah GUNS don't count as "armaments" to liberals. Well, unless they're in the hands of Jews.
  • mazabdul
    Right, since there's no evidence of that and since there are 20 dead civilians, I think we know who to believe in this case
  • mightysamurai
    No evidence of weapons? You might want to check the VIDEO where weapons are clearly in use.

    As for the deaths, it's hardly the Israeli's fault that the "civilians" you idolize so much are utterly incompetent.
  • mazabdul
    There's no way to make this simpler. If you open fire on people who are not armed (i.e. no guns or knives) you are a murderer. There is no gray area, there is no background story, and there is no credible evidence to suggest the Israelis needed to kill even one person.

    For the sake of argument, let's say the Israelis are not using the infamous 'The Hippy Had a Flower and he was coming right at us' defense. Let's say there was real danger against the Israelis. Under no international law (and since this was international water, that's what is superior here) could they open fire. But Israelis are the mavericks of the world, they make their own rules, their rebels against a cause!
  • Notice how this anti-semite ignores the video proof before his eyes, because it gets in the way of his preferred narrative.
  • Clark
    Are you really this fucking dense or what? $100 bucks says you'd slay the cocksuckers too if you were the one on the deck, dodging metal pipes, chairs, boots and fists... outnumbered. Yeah, you'd sling rounds right at their faces, so would I. Otherwise you'd die. You stupid goat fucking moron.
  • blkdragon
    Oh, so the Israeli SEALs mysteriously received those reported knife and bullet wounds.

    I take it back. We need to meet and I will be using a metal pipe.
  • A pipe is weapon if used to commit violence. Anyone caring one to use is ARMED. Even INETERNATIONAL law recognizes that, MORON.
  • Real Politik
    Not any INTERNATIONAL LAW on this planet, idiot. Good Lord, you have smothered whatever reason you had.
  • Mr. EMT
    Real Pathetic is an expert on autoerotic asphyxiation and the affects on what it has on reasoning.
  • Retard, do you know what ASSUALT is? or aggravated assult?

    armed   /ɑrmd/ Show Spelled[ahrmd]
    –adjective
    1.bearing firearms; having weapons: a heavily armed patrol.

    weap·on   /ˈwɛpən/ Show Spelled[wep-uhn] Show IPA
    –noun
    1.any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war

    as·sault   /əˈsɔlt/ Show Spelled[uh-sawlt] Show IPA
    –noun
    2.Law. an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.

    YES International laws recognize that any object used to commit an act of violence is a weapon and any one caring such a weapon and using to as an cat oviolence is committing ASSAULT. And I'm the idiot?!?!?!

    ROFLMAO!
  • TheDickNixon
    They were armed with blunt trauma inducing weapons. We get it, you blame the JOOOOS for all your people's problems, just like the Nazi's did. We get it.
    F'n Nazi want to be that you are.
  • mazabdul
    Amazing. You seem to have constructed a man made out of straw, then attacked him...they should come up with a name for that
  • TheDickNixon
    You claimed they were unarmed. Therefore, you lied.

    Do they teach comprehension in the Third World hell hole that spawned you?
  • mazabdul
    They were unarmed. I said '(i.e. no guns and knives)'. They didn't have those. Thus they were _________ (fill in the blanks). Which third World hell, Pasadena? Jeez Dick, it's humid but I wouldn't go that far.
  • Guns and knives are not the only weapons of deadly force recognized by EVERY national and international law. Any object can be recognized as such if it can kill. Ever been hit in the head crow bar or a basic household claw hammer? If you had you'd know it was used in violence and would be considered LETHAL, by all LEGAL standards.
  • mazabdul
    Actually, in legal terms use of blunt objects classifies as assault.Basically a stick is the same thing as fists. Even the most zealous lie-mongering by the IDF has produced little by way of armaments. But I persist in saying it is a laughable attempt by Israel to weasel out of responsibility. There's 19 dead civilians who were not part of any armed force or group. The facts are not on Israel's side
  • blkdragon
    So your major problem here is that a bunch of half trained under armed morons chose to nominate themselves for the Darwin Awards by attacking highly trained and (usually) heavily armed military commandos, and actually lost the fight.
    In no way are soldiers restricted to fighting other soldiers. If civilians chose to attack them they can defend themselves from the attack.
  • mightysamurai
    Basically a stick is the same thing as fists.


    Great. Have someone crack your skull open with a "stick" sometime if it's so non-lethal.

    Go on. I dare you.
  • Really?? Any and all?? And under all circumstances? pipes and rods are not sticks, dufus.
  • mightysamurai
    They were unarmed. I said '(i.e. no guns and knives)'.


    *snort* That is just precious.

    They were "unarmed" despite the fact that they carried steel poles they were using to bash in people's skulls. Classic.

    Oh, BTW, they WERE armed with guns and knives. Your pathetic refusal to acknowledge this fact is your problem, not ours.
  • mazabdul
    Fact: 19 dead civilians
    Laughable fiction: 'They were coming right at us, they had weapons'. So far there's one grainy video on their side(and a couple dozen from the other side, mind you) and actual, indisputable deaths of non-Military personnel in international waters. I respect Israel's need to maintain security in this situation and I understand they're going to try and release statements but honestly no one but the most hardcore Israel supporter will view this as anything but brutality
  • TheDickNixon
    The dead went in harms way by choice.

    You reap what you sow.
  • mightysamurai
    Fact: Those "civilians" were armed, running a legal blockade, refusing to submit to a cargo inspection, and FORCED those IDF soldiers to respond with lethal force by attacking first.

    Your pathetic attempt to ignore these very clear facts is quite transparent. Witness your continued reference to "civilians" despite the fact that these "civilians" were both armed and militant.
  • TheDickNixon
    Hi Petey/Zimmy/insert appropriate sockpuppet.
  • mazabdul
    The word you're looking for is 'unarmed', tardo
  • blkdragon
    Those "peaceful protesters" were armed moron. To continue arguing this point when one can watch the videos that prove otherwise is, well, evil is the only word I can come up with.
  • TheDickNixon
    The phrase that pays is "Evolution in Action".
  • mazabdul
    Evolution is when nature eliminates unfavorable traits. Social Darwinism is when we do it out of a view of superiority.
  • Evlotion is being the inferior genetics to attack IDF forces with pipes and knives instead of allowing their ship to be INSPECTED.
  • Dave
    So when are you going to pack up and go help those oh so poor Terrorists.
  • mazabdul
    When are you going to take your lips off the c*** of a selfish pack of crazy people who have never done a good thing for you in their lives but have managed to piss the world off at you
  • computerjockey
    And how many Nobel prizes have come out of the Arab world?
  • blkdragon
    One or two I believe.

    MAX.
  • We aren't Hamas supporters. Oh wait, you meant Jews? The ones who helped found Western civilization and gave us modern law?
  • Clark
    Dude, the more you talk, the more you're looking like a whiney fucking little crybaby. Shut the fuck up. Israel could wipe your goat fucking little brothers off the face of the map in a day.
  • In the last 60 years the Israeli's have done more to convert a dessert into an oassis, than the Muslims have done in 1400 years. At least they can say they were in that land before Muhamed's great grandaddy was a climmer in his momma's eyes.
  • mazabdul
    Yes, the sun shines out of the crack of Israeli asses. They're superhuman. Look, while I worship the ground the great Jewish gods walk on, I really don't care for the land or their presence, I just want to know why they waste time vilifying their verbal opponents so much. Wouldn't it be easier to stop acting like lunatics?
  • TheDickNixon
    "I really don't care for the land or their presence"

    Bet you are a real fan of the Iranian call for a Second Holocaust.
  • How do people making every effort to defend themselves including running a blockade to keep weapons away from their avowed enemies 'act like lunatics?' The IDF was assulted with leathal force, they responded in kind, all else is moral equivalence.
  • blkdragon
    And I repeat if you don't consider getting hit with steel pipes and knives lethal assaults we need to meet for two minutes. Again I'll promise to use wood sticks instead of steel pipes.
  • mazabdul
    Sure but I get a troop of soldiers armed with assault rifles. Ooh and just so it's fun let's do it in international waters where I'm not allowed to pull stupid sh** like that
  • blkdragon
    Nope. You, me, and God as a witness, asshat. I promise I'll be "unarmed" according to your standards. I expect you to be the same.
  • TheDickNixon
    Perhaps Hamas and Hezbollah should stop murdering Israelis, launching rockets into Israel, endorse Israel's right to exist, and stop all terror attacks on Israel. When the Palestinians give up their death cult practices, maybe they can have peace.

    Personally, Nixon thinks Israel should have torpedoed the boats and killed them all.
  • mazabdul
    You and I both know that's bulls***. Even one attack on Israel will justify demolition of the attacker's home, taking out his village and levelling the area around. Then they kill his drycleaner just to be sure. This isn't just overkill, it's them waiting for a dent to hit one of their soldiers in the territory they have military presence in, hell breaks loose. No life is as valuable as an Israeli life is their eyes..
    Sometimes they don't even wait for military action. You can call them assholes in a speech and they'll start attacking. There can be no doubt that Israel exploits simple rhetoric to justify actual action. There is no restraint in Israel. The difference is that Israel tries to act like a 'Western democracy', thus having their cake and eating it too. If Israel wishes to act like a modern nation, it should stop violating human rights and using the 'but they're terrorists' line. They're not terrorists because they don't have beef with anyone but Israel. Strangely, it would seem that they are a militant group fighting Israel.
  • Kal_El
    If someone walks up to me and punches me in the face, my retaliation will be far more than one punch. I will make it so that he fears to ever even approach me, let alone punch me a second time. That is what Israel does, when constantly provoked by jihadis in Gaza. Disproportionate response ends conflict. Look at World War II for a perfect example.
  • computerjockey
    You're right, the Israelis should've salted the area after doing all of that...
  • Mr. EMT
    If the IDF was boarding to kill the people on board, or "brutalize" them as you pathetically try to depict... there would not be a trace of life on that boat and the world would have been asking itself in a few weeks, "hey remember that boat?"
  • Yeah damn those Jews for fighting back when attacked. They should sit back and take it like a good Jew.
  • TheDickNixon
    What they are is terrorist animals. Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups that deserve to be exterminated.

    Nixon sees you support these terror groups.

    Shame you weren't boating today with your friends.
  • Caanite
    Irgun were a terrorist group. But far from exterminating them Britain did a runner and gave them the state they wanted. And a terrorist couple's daughter (Livni) became the Leader of the "left" .

    I don't normally judge a person on the action of their relatives but Israel had a policy off bulldozing houses of suspects families regardless of their involvement. Strange her house is still standing.

    The King David Hotel Bombing killed a lot more civilians than the crude rocket attacks
  • BIG_RWN
    So you like history? How about the Gand Mufti of Jerusalem spending the early 40s in Berlin? How about the Palestinians trained by the Nazis fighting in Bosnia. Don't you feel proud to be a supporter of actual Nazi allies.
    You believe the British did the Jews a favor by honoring international agreements only to allow the only unpunished Nazi ally to take up shop in the Jewish homeland?
    As for the crude rocket attacks. Would you be OK if the Israelis sent unguided rockets into PLO-Arab neighborhoods on a daily basis? That would be considered fair by you?
  • mazabdul
    It's totally normal to wish people who leave opposing views on blogs are put in boats and killed by Israelis. And people think right-wingers are crazy!

    No, I don't think I'd ever go try and help the Gazans with humanitarian aid. I know some batsh*** Israeli would probably gut me with a bayonet. I've a better chance of survival eating a chicken sandwich in front of a bear
  • Farfurfan
    A chicken sandwich in front of a bear is a splendid idea! May I offer my sincerest encouragement and wish you utmost success in your endeavor!
  • Mr. EMT
    humanitarian aid.......
    roflmao.
    Who the hell do you honestly expect to believe that crap?
    Go eat your sandwich moron.
  • Rickvid in Seattle
    Or, you'll get on the wrong side of some Hamas piece of shit who'll gun you down in the street, like they are doing to Gazans weekly. Oh, I thought it was the Israelis who were doing all the killing. No, Hamas is doing as Islamist pigs usually do - kill thier own without a hint of remorse.
  • mazabdul
    Israelis have a long history of psychotic and relentless butchery, they were murdering civilians way before Hamas even existed. Way more likely I'll get gunned down by some soldier at a checkpoint, considering their forced conscription policy means a nervous 15 year old gets a gun strapped on him and is sent out to kill anyone that moves funny
  • Trench_Raider
    Ok, we get it. You have a problem with Israel. So do I. They are arrogant, are quick to cynically use the undeniably horrible history of the jews being opressed by other groups to justify their actions, and they did indeed engage in acts of terrorism against the Brits in the late '40s and have done some very questionable things to us over the years (the USS Liberty and the Johnathan Polard spy case come to mind).

    But you know what? Their enemies are far worse than they are. That's why I tend to side with them. Furthermore, most of their enemies hate us just as much and pose a threat to our interests as well. So I do not mind our support of them. I'm a firm believer in the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" line of thought.

    Honestly, I think you Israel hating leftists have not really thought out much of what you say. For you guys siding with the percieved "underdog" is such a reflex compulsion with you guys it's almost reached fetish status. You really don't look at who you are supporting. As long as it's someone you percieve as an "oppressed people" you will happily support terrorist scum like Hamas. You see yourself as being morally superior for this sympathy, but in fact you are being morally bankrupt.

    TR
  • Your ignorance makes you a bigot. LEARN some facts, and not the crap you read on DU.
  • mightysamurai
    Israelis have a long history of psychotic and relentless butchery


    I see the blood-libel against the Jews continues.
  • mazabdul
    Blood libel is saying they poison wells. Pointing to actual historical events when they murdered civilians is a matter of fact. Denying those doesn't make you a sympathetic person, it makes you deluded
  • mightysamurai
    Blood libel is saying they poison wells.


    Oh, I see. So it's okay to accuse Jews of all manner of fake atrocities so long as you don't use the specific slander of poisoned wells. Gotcha.
  • blkdragon
    Since the friend of my enemy is my enemy you are probably right about getting gutted by bayonet. And you'd deserve it too.
  • mazabdul
    Totally. How dare I impinge upon the great land of the crazy Jewish people who believe they own stuff because of Bronze Age scrolls. It's totally okay for them to kill me, because they're special
  • TheDickNixon
    One day, if you are fortunate, your opinion might matter to Nixon.

    Today isn't that day

    Death to Hamas.
  • mazabdul
    Lol you're Hitler
  • Mediumheadboy
    Lol you're a fucking idiot.
  • Charles Martel
    That is a bit rich coming from a Mohammedan. Just like Hitler had the blood of innocent victims on his hands, so does your so called "religion of peace"- Islam. Those in glass houses...
  • Mr. EMT
    That might mean something if you knew a damn thing about hitler?
    But since your values are shared by his ideology, your slander is pathetically hypocritical.
  • TheDickNixon
    flagged for threadjacking. And throwing the conservative = nazi slur is so 2004.
  • mazabdul
    You guys figure you took it back because of Beck, don't you. I've heard conservatives compare the friggin' peace corps and climate regulation to Nazi Germany. I pray I'm more rational than the teabaggers who compare health care to Dachau
  • Mr. EMT
    Oh, so you are a nut sucker too huh?
    Bet you and peter go to the same tea bagger parties so you can get tea bagged together.
  • TheDickNixon
    Ah Nixon sees you are into gay sex with your free usage of the terminology for a gay sex act. You must be a Arab, they are into that sort of stuff rather heavily.
  • mazabdul
    You like a guy called Dick. 'nuff said.
  • TheDickNixon
    My first name is Richard, my gay friend.
  • mazabdul
    I think Dick suits you more.
  • TheDickNixon
    So did your mom. Petey.
  • mazabdul
    Your mom is probably banging an IDF battalion. That's the only reason I can come up with for your undying love for a country that isn't yours and takes 2 billion of your tax dollars every year, providing nothing to you but a share of the spotlight for its oh-so-shaky human rights record. I for one support the Tea Party's decision to cut taxes in America. I can't believe some of my money might support a country that implicates me in its crimes.
  • TheDickNixon
    You support Hamas, and admire the PLO

    Thanks for playing.
  • mazabdul
    You put words in my mouth like your mom stuffs Israeli nutsacks into hers. Only difference is I can pull your words out by pointing out you have no evidence of the statements in question. Additionally, I PLO and Hamas are opposing groups, so it's a nonsensical allegation. Now go salute the Star of David, traitor
  • Mediumheadboy
    This anti-semitic cockholster calls someone else Hitler? The left truly has no concept whatsoever of irony.
  • Trench_Raider
    Wow.
    Classy stuff. I love how low-brow and juvenile these leftist troll are.

    TR
  • TheDickNixon
    Your hero Arafat died from AIDS acquired from gay sex.
  • northerncanuck
    Nixon deserves a cold one, Blues all 'round.
  • Kal_El
    A Cold One isn't enough for that barb! First bottle is on me! =)
  • TheDickNixon
    Thanks
  • TheDickNixon
    Don't think of this incident as Israeli's killing Palestinians. Think of it as evolution in action.

    Bill Ayers is supposedly involved in this Palestinian relief effort. Any chance some fine Israeli soldier ended his worthless existence today?
  • mazabdul
    Thought right-wingers believed in Intelligent Design
  • Nothing about Intelligent Design negates a belief in Evolution.
  • There's a lot you don't know about us.
  • TheDickNixon
    Islam is a pagan religion whose prophet had sex with a 9 year old child.
  • mazabdul
    I'm sure you're proud to finally learn that, but my question was 'Isn't it absurd for a Christian to quote evolution considering you fight schools that teach it'
  • TheDickNixon
    Flagged for threadjacking. Can you link where Nixon was fighting a school. Schools are where the PLO liked to kill kids.
  • mazabdul
    Christians fight schools that teach evolution, it's not a new thing. And you only get to bring up violence if your love of human life isn't so decayed that you feel it's okay to kill protesters and constantly believe that death is something someone 'deserves'
  • Really? Care to provide facts/support to this?
  • mazabdul
    What, that Bible-Thumpers hate evolution? Just Google Kirk Cameron or Citizens for the Teaching of Alternative whatever. It's all over the place
  • You brought it up, provide the proof.

    And as a Christian, I only feel for pity for the ignorance you so readily embrace.
  • TheDickNixon
    So that is your excuse for the PLO/Hamas slaughter of Jews. Chirstians and evolution.
  • mazabdul
    You've actually stopped making sense. I'm saying you sit here belittling the death of 15 people and justifying it (even though it's not your country that committed the atrocity, so search me for a reason you continue to defend another flag) and making dumb-f*** jokes about Rachel Corrie getting run over, so you're a person who lacks basic human empathy and morality. As such, you do not actually care when people get killed, you just use it as a reason to support other violence.
  • TheDickNixon
    Rachel Corrie was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The result? Martyrdom as St Pancake, patron saint of homicidal palestinians everywhere.

    And for the people killed today, again, they were given the option not to try and run the blockade. They chose poorly.
  • mazabdul
    You guys really get off on that whole 'we have no remorse' deal, don't you?
  • TheDickNixon
    Sort of like your view of Israeli dead at the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah.
  • You seem to get off on ignorance and supporting terrorists.
  • Real Politik
    There is no degree of ignorance more supreme than yours, dishboy.
  • Well except for yours, never-show. You still think I wash dishes and care what you think!
  • What part of Muslim terrorist weapons being delivered do you NOT understand? The Israelis offered to escort these blockade runners to the legitimate port to supply the Palestinians, they instead continued upon their way in an attempt to run the blockade. That in itself is terrorism, why do you support terrorism?
  • mazabdul
    First of all, their blockade is inhumane to say the least. Second there is no evidence the boats had anything like that on them, and when supplies are submitted to Israel this usually ties them up for months as Israel stalls to starve the Gazans. Third, the Israelis can't keep using the 'Well why'd you keep coming, you know we have no moral fiber and shoot anything we feel like' defense. Believe it or not, the flotilla people must've thought 'well, we're not militants, what are the chances they'll shoot us in cold blood.'

    Way to go Israel, keep showing the world you have no limits. This shouldn't even be a debate, these people weren't militants. I'm sick of hearing Israel comparing itself to America. America is a civil place, and never in a thousand years would American soldiers gun down people like that. We have a trained army, they have a conscripts in a military force that used to be a terrorist cell. Why does America keep allying itself with people that make it look so bad?
  • the_hawk
    The Israelis offered to deliver the aid themselves. That would be the most safe and efficient way to do it. What is the problem with that?
  • "America is a civil place, and never in a thousand years would American soldiers gun down people like that."

    No, we just use incendiaries against harmless loonies (at Waco), shoot people in the back (at Ruby Ridge), use state terrorism against rebels (Sherman's march to the sea), etc.
  • Real Politik
    Don't forget Kent State. American soldiers shot unarmed civilians.
  • Ahh yes the one instance of what was later found to be not an act of aggression but pure confusion on ALL parts?
  • mightysamurai
    First of all, their blockade is inhumane to say the least.


    I'm sorry, did you miss the part about "offered to escort these blockade runners to the legitimate port to supply the Palestinians"? I guess you must have, because the only other possibility is that you deliberately ignored it in your mad rush to blame the Jews for the actions of fanatical terrorists.
  • mazabdul
    You're right, it's totally okay now. Inform the civilians that you'll kill them unless they do what you say. Next time a mugger shoots a guy we'll tell the family, 'we tried to prosecute the mugger but he was adamant in informing us that the man in question could have avoided death if he followed the mugger's instructions'
  • mightysamurai
    You're right, it's totally okay now. Inform the civilians that you'll kill them unless they do what you say.


    Yes, child, it's what we on planet Earth call a "naval blockade". Do try and keep up.
  • TheDickNixon
    Why do you idolize mass murdering animals like the PLO?

    Nice try, thanks for playing. And Nixon thought Palestinians live in Gaza. Who are the Gazans? And no one is starving there.
  • mazabdul
    I did not, now or ever, give any endorsement to Palestinian militants. You however give vocal support to Israeli Death Squads. Why do you idolize the IDF, whose death toll exceeds the thousands easily. There's a plethora of information on the brutality of the IDF. Do you condone it because they keep you safe? They don't care about anyone but themselves, Dick, why else would they sell arms to our enemies and ignore our diplomatic requests to freeze their settlements? The general principle of an ally is that you get something out of the trade. We're out 2 billion a year with bubkes to show for it, Dick.

    As for Gaza, they're living the high life. They've got so much food they send me some from time to time.
  • mightysamurai
    I did not, now or ever, give any endorsement to Palestinian militants.


    No, you just perpetuate blood libels against Jews. Golly, that's *so* much better.
  • TheDickNixon
    You stated your ideology of choice mirrored that of the PLO "secular Marxism", which is some made up BS.

    Thanks for playing.
  • Rickvid in Seattle
    You must remember, Dick, that guys like Ayers send others to die while they cower behind women's skirts; he has done it before. So, sadly, likely not.
  • Guest
    "Like segregation in the American south"?? Why do the Marxist liberals ALWAYS have to play a race card no matter what the situation is? Don't they know it gets old after a while and no one pays attention after a while?

    Someone should sit them down in a circle, legs crossed and listening in silent anticipation to a reading of 'Peter and the Wolf'. Maybe they can apply that to their daily lives but then again we are talking about liberal. Like geese, they wake up in a new world on a daily basis.

    As far as the subject at hand, I applaud the Isrealis for a job well done. I don't think they went far enough though. On second thought, if all the Palesimians had were knives, sticks, and guns then maybe a couple of rounds from a grenade launcher would have done the trick.

    If the leftists are so upset about the treatment of the Palesimians, I have an idea for them. Pack up everything you have (forget the bongs they're a dime a dozen in Gaza) sell everything you can't carry, and go to Gaza and help those poor mistreated savages out.

    You can start a "Save the Palesimians" task force and strap on a bomb vest and run headlong into a crowd yelling Aloha Snackbar!! (or something like that)

    Go on! be a hero for the cause but keep in mind they ARE using those scary GUNS and you'd have to make sure you stayed clear of them. Other than that, they could use more bomb fodder.

    Wow what a brilliant idea.... we get rid of them here and they get rid of them there.... win/win situation.

  • Neda
    Your not getting rid of shit here...rather, say hello to a generation of Palestinians born in America with the POWER to finally put Israel in it's place! We have the power to lobby & change policy...& guess what, we fully intend on doing so! Say hello to your fellow Palesinian-Americans & learn to love us cuz we ain't goin nowhere :)

    Haha...unfortuneatly for dem zionists bastards...neither are the ones there...they've been fighting for what's rightfully theirs 60 years n countin!
  • Guest
    As an after thought, if you are so adamant about putting Israel in it's
    place (which I happen to think they are ALREADY in their place) why are you
    here in this country instead of over there in the shithole strapping a bomb
    to yourself and unselfishly making a statement on your feelings about Israel
    'occupying' land that you don't own in the first place. I think it's pretty
    cowardly of you to cheer them on from the grandstands but you balk at being
    an active participant.

    Just because arabs happened to pass over that land (spelled trade routes) on
    camels years ago doesn't automatically give them 'rightful' ownership to
    that land.

    I have another eye opener for you. If you think Ogabe DaDa gives two craps
    in hell about you or the plight of your ancestors you are barking up the
    wrong tree. The Prevaricator-in-Chief cares about nothing other than his
    political agenda and sadly you don't fit into that puzzle.

    Your 'people' wouldn't be in the shape they are in if it hadn't been for
    aids ridden Arafat stuffing it into his bank account and/or giving it to his
    wife. He made weapons dealers rich too and what did that get you? If you
    need someone to spew anger at, go to Paris and find Arafat's old lady and
    demand she give back the money that isn't hers.
    Good luck with that!

    If memory serves me correctly, when Israel turn Gaza over to 'your people'
    it was lush with greenhouses growing FOOD and insignificant necessities like
    that. Within days, 'your people' destroyed all that then complained about
    being hungry. Now something is definitely wrong with that picture. I've
    seen six year old children with more common sense than that. The more you
    give 'your people' the more they whine for and if it's not forthcoming they
    start rioting. I personally don't have time for people like that. They can
    swim in their own sewers as far as I'm concerned.

    PPS Come talk to me after you take over the country. Please!


    MSNBC News Flash: Arizona Law 'Makes it a Crime to be Illegal Immigrant'
    (Doh!)
  • Guest
    Why has it taken 60 years of failure to get something the is 'rightfully'
    yours and it's a fairy tale place called Palestine because it was deemed so
    by the British Mandate?

    I don't have any fellow Palestinian Americans to learn to love seeing as how
    I'm not Palestinian. Why can't you learn to love the Israelis? If you
    can't do that why should you expect me to learn to love you? Why does it
    always have to be about you?

    MSNBC News Flash: Arizona Law 'Makes it a Crime to be Illegal Immigrant'
    (Doh!)
  • Tennwriter
    As to ancient rights to the land, only the Canaanites and the Philistines would have a better claim than the Israelites. But there are no living known descendants of these groups so the land is Israels.
  • The only reason you have had the success you have had in the US is the same reason the Black Panthers have been able to exist and flourish. For the most part, Americans simply want to live and let live. We only want to rear our kids, educate them, and see them do well in the world and to honor God.
    The Average American is beginning to wake up to the fact that leftists and muslims do not want to simply live differently. They want all those who disagree with them DEAD. Eliminated. Gone.
    We have tried to live peaceably as a people. Betrayed by our usury loving banks and the military-industrial complex who backs them and cares not who nor what the fight is about, we find ourselves finally aware that YOU are like mad dogs whose morals are insane.
    In the past, I have tried to accept muslims as some are perfectly lovely people. Then I find out that some 400 baby girls (all under 10 years old) were married to some 400 20 year old men in Gaza...that Mohammed was a pedophile, that a major Iman advocates sodomization of babies until the age of nine. I looked at the sweet faces of those trusting baby girls and I realized that there was no one to rescue them. The cavalry is not coming. The very men to whom they should be looking for protection have sold them into sexual slavery and genital mutilation before they are even physically women. What a so-called faith! Our Federal government is rotten from within, no doubt. Riddled with traitors, beyond question; but you need to remember as you rattle your AK-47s and run your bombs that the government is not the people and when the 12 guages and AR-15s and mini-14s FINALLY leave their slings, you may find yourself with a different opinion. Though while I hope never to see that day, I suspect YOU look forward to it. More moon god madness, I suppose.
    Remember, we only want peace, and to be left alone.
    We WILL have peace here.
    (I have also heard some Palestinians were Christians, but have yet to make contact. I would enjoy hearing from some Palestinian Christians.)
  • Kal_El
    You've fought fro 60 years, and guess what. Nothing has changed, except that the land you jihadis inhabit continues to get smaller and smaller, as you lose battle after battle, and Israel expands her borders to prevent your daily rocket barrage from hitting civilians. May your moon-god help you if you try that crap in the US. We are not even one-tenth as restrained as the Israelis have been.
  • sherri
    you might be in for a shock you silly thing.
  • Mr. EMT
    click click
  • Celebrim
    All the American born Palestinians I know are Christian refugees that were forced to flee Palestine due to religious presecution by Hamas, the PLO, and similar groups. I don't think you are going to get much traction in the American Palestinian community if you are on the side of Hamas and similar thugs.
  • Fabulous job on this piece. You said what needed to be said. Yeah, I sound like a cheerleader. That's the breaks.
  • Caanite

    "Then there are the Israelis. They're a tiny Western Democracy surrounded by backwards savages who want to murder them down to the last child because they're Jews. Moreover, despite all the claims to the contrary, they're the most restrained people on earth. If you don't believe that, consider the fact that they could simply drive the Palestinians off their land and take it at any point, but instead, they've chosen to permanently live beside of millions of people who make the Manson family look sane. "


    If they didn't like backward "sand dwelling savages" then they shouldn't have moved there! But many European Jews forced to because of a Holocaust done by European Christians. The Jews of Arab lands were only (wrongly) expelled as revenge for the Arab expulsion in 1948.

    If the Jews have a right to "return" to Israel then Mexicans should have a right to return to Mexico or Native Americans should have their own state in their homeland. But I suppose all these people are savages too and it was quite right they were all driven off their land just like you wish the Palestinians were.

  • ceo
    They kind have done it, you know illegally, at least they don't blow us up or behead us on international tv. Rather they use our resources ie healthcare, bottled water and deodorant rather liberally sneak back across the border and resupply their families with good ole american goods.
    Maybe you should try??
    Just saying
    Just saying.


  • Toastrider
    Please don't post while you're tripping.
  • Micha Elyi
    Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Israel was largely empty when the first European Jews moved there in the 19th century and bought land from Arabs.

    As Jews prospered, more Arabs moved in and murderous pogroms against the Jews occurred with horrible frequency. Newsreel footage from the 1930s documents some of those Arab-perpetrated outrages.

    Arabs started wars. Arabs lost. Arabs sulk. And murder. Idiots useful to the cause of murderers make excuses. Woe to them all when the Jews tire of playing the murderers' game on the murderers' terms.
  • mazabdul
    Actually, it was Ottoman owned and then the British ran it. The people living there owned their land, pure and simple. The Israelis illegally immigrated in, bought some land, wanted more, started terrorist groups and murdered British military until the British finally left the land. Then the terrorists became Israel's first government and then the Arabs attacked.

    The Arabs were defeated, but for no real reason the Palestinians were never let back in and their fields were stolen, etc. Then the ruling class of Jews started bringing in Jews they considered inferior to work for them, and from time to time they used false flag policies like the Lavon affair to scare Arab Jews into leaving societies where they owned businesses so they could go live in the Kibbutzim of Israel and be exploited by other Jews.
  • mightysamurai
    What an entertaining fantasy you've created. I'm sure it's very helpful in justifying your hatred of the Jews.
  • I would like to thank mazabdul for explaining why I can be both pro-Zionist and support open borders. The reasons I came up with to deport Patrick Buchanan apply even more strongly to Hamas.
  • Caanite
    The only Jews I feel sorry for the Jews of Arab lands who got unfairly booted of their lands in revenge and treated as 2nd class citizens by the European Jews. As for the European Jews if they hate Arabs and love the west they should live there then by civilised beings (who tried to exterminate them) instead of being surrounded by savages.
  • TheDickNixon
    Nice of you to equate Nazism to Christianity. As you are a liberal, no surprise there.
  • mazabdul
    Hitler was pretty big on Jesus. I could get you the quotes if you'd like. And of course there was the case of the silent Vatican.
  • mightysamurai
    Hitler was pretty big on Jesus.


    No, child, he wasn't. He only claimed to be in public speeches.

    This is fascinating. You're not just perpetuating blood libels against the Jews, you're actively promoting Hitler's lies.
  • Pork_Soda
    I'm still waiting for him to produce a money quote for "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Wait for it...
  • Hitler was also a pagan, a sometimes athiest, and all around bigot. You are just an ignorant hack.

    http://schikelgruber.net/religion.html
  • TheDickNixon
    So now Hitler was a Christian. Christians and Jews you hate Nixon sees. Are you muslim by chance?
  • blkdragon
    1. The land that is now the State of Israel has been traded and conquered more times throughout history than any other I can think of, but it never was "Palestinian" Palestine. In "recent" history it was part of the Ottoman Empire (a.k.a. The Turkish Empire) from 1517 to 1917 when it went to the United Kingdom in the British Mandate of Palestine after WWI. The British held it from 1917 to 1948. During all that time there really were no permanent residents of the land the British called Palestine. The Ottoman Empire had claimed the vast deserts for defensive purposes and the British really didn't care as most of the administration was handled by the independent Jewish Agency. There were a few nomadic tribes that considered the area "home", but most of the residents of Jerusalem and the few other permanent towns were foreigners.
    After WWII when the allies were looking around for what to do with the displaced European Jews, the combination of UK indifference toward Palestine and the existence of an independent Jewish Agency that already administered Jewish affairs in "Palestine" presented a perfect solution. The Jews moved there and the U.K. partied because "Palestine" was no longer their headache.

    2. For the uninformed there was no forced Arab expulsion. It was voluntary. They chose to leave as opposed to live with (more) Jews. The surprise came when the surrounding Arabic nations (Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria...) refused to allow the "Palestinians" entry into their lands probably because they were already winding up their armies to attack their new neighbor. That is what created the "refugees" we refer to as "Palestinians".

    3. If only the Mexicans in the U.S. would return to Mexico it'd solve a lot of problems.
    Wait, did you mean that Texas, Arizona, California, and New Mexico should be Mexican states?
    By the time America had started expanding into what is now the southwest U.S., Mexico had abandoned their territories there and abdicated any right to the land. Most of those states held free elections to determine whether they were going to be a part of the U.S. or Mexico. They chose the Union. Texas revolted against and eventually won their war with Mexico to secure their right to be an independent state before joining the Union.
    I'll understand if you don't remember this as liberal historians have been studiously scrubbing the history books of things like the Texas War of Independence that puts to rest the question of whose land Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico are.

    4. As for the Native Americans... You do realize that most reservations are sovereign nations? For that matter, again, liberals have been busy sanitizing history to make the U.S. look like the bad guy when the truth was much murkier. There were wars fought between the settlers and the Native tribes. There were atrocities committed by both sides. Both sides were doing what they believed to be right. The Native tribes lost and had to accept the terms of surrender dictated by the expanding U.S.
  • mazabdul
    "During all that time there really were no permanent residents of the land the British called Palestine." The 'nomadic' people story is a myth, just admit they took the land militarily.

    Also there is no grey Area with Native Americans. Settlers massacred them. You didn't do it, so no reason to feel guilty. Hiding history doesn't really change anything
  • As a part Creek, and an American I take offense to your ignorance of both the US's actions and the not so 'noble' actions of my native ancestors. The natives killed as many settlers as settlers killed natives. Anything else is moral equivalence.
  • Real Politik
    Outright lies, dishboy. Par for the course for you.
  • you're the one lying, never-show. I have the histories as given by both my white and native ancestors. You're ignorance and lying is what's par for the course.
  • Real Politik
    History of Natives outmurdering the white devils who plundered and destroyed? Not in this county, dishboy. Not in this history, coward.
  • trench_raider
    "White devils"
    Wow.
    And just the other day you denied every engaging in anti-White racist rhetoric.
    Caught you in yet another lie, Martha/Frankie/Realpolitik.

    TR
  • Trench_Raider
    Oops.
    How did the siftware not recognize my log in attempt when posting? Ah well. It's sorted out now.

    Oh yesm and the idea of a troll like Martha calling anyone a coward is pretty f---king amusing.
    Why don't you show us how brave you are and how you are not a coward?
    TR
  • Did I say OUT murdered, dipshit? I said their were nearly EQUAL! And unless you can provide facts to the contrary, you're the liar.

    And you calling anyone a coward is just plain laughable.
  • Caanite
    The only reason to bring up the native americans was to show the double standards of Americans supporting a Jewish homeland thousands of miles away yet not claiming Native Americans have a right to have a sovereign homeland (proper country and not just a reserve). But I suppose it goes down to them being uncivilised savages just like the Palestinians and not entitled to land
  • blkdragon
    You appear to be under the mistaken impression that all Native Americans are one people. This is not the case. There were thousands of individual tribes scattered across North America each with their own history, language, beliefs, and traditions. Along with traditional enemies, allies, and grudges that kept them fighting amongst themselves long before white settlers arrived on the scene.

    Each tribe is currently a sovereign nation on their own reserve. You thought the EU was a headache attempting to mash all the NA tribes into one nation would be a nightmare. And that's assuming they would all want to surrender their current situations and enter the broader world as a truly independent nation. As it is now they don't have to worry about paying to keep a military, diplomatic corps, or a lot of other things the U.S. Government covers for them. They get to sit back and live like they want to live without interference from every other nation on the planet.
  • TheDickNixon
    Bingo my good gay friend. Palestinians are animals. Nixon is glad to see you finally realize that.
  • OH MY GOD THOSE POOR IDF SOLDEIRS BEING ATTACKED BY SLINGSHOTS AND STICKS I HOPE THOSE DAMN MUZZIES DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANY WEDGIES.
  • Guest
    Let's don't downplay this at all. It's pretty serious when you have to protect yourself from savages that live for nothing but killing.

    The reason they only have slingshots and sticks is because the Isrealis aren't stupid enough to let them get hands on anything more lethal than that. They might just hurt themselves. See how compassionate they are? Looking after the Palesimians' best interests.
  • blkdragon
    Have you watched the videos? Those are lethal force assaults the "peaceful" protesters are committing.

    If you don't believe attacks using steel pipes or knives constitutes lethal force assaults please lets meet and give me two minutes. I even promise to use wooden sticks instead of steel pipes.
  • If the Israelis were somehow replaced by Americans, we'd drive the Palestinians off their land at gunpoint in six months tops -- and we'd be perfectly justified in doing so.

    You are endorsing ethnic cleansing. Just FYI.
  • Ethnic cleansing? You mean like the removal of Jews from Gaza?
  • Micha Elyi
    Wrong. You, Krinkle, are endorsing ethnic cleansing, an Arab practice since the days Muhammad massacred the Jews of Medina in the 7th century. John Hawkins is endorsing the right of self-defense.
  • Guest
    Oh my GOD!! not the ethnic cleansing defense.

    You don't think the Palesimians/arab world aren't actively participating in ethnic cleansing where Israel is concerned? Iran openly states they are going to wipe them off the face of the earth or push them into the sea. That's not endorsing ethnic cleansing?

    Is there a rule that Israel should stand idly by and be killed off without raising a hand in their defense? You can take your ethnic cleansing, shove it up your arse and pound a cork in it.

    Double standards and hipocracy are your bywords. You people make me want to puke in your face!
  • Caanite
    Sorry in 1948 the "savages" should have accepted boatloads of people from Europe claimed they were returning after 2000 years and were the chosen people and a divine right to that land and not put up with resistance!
  • Guest
    It was only after World War I, at the Paris Peace Conference, that the name "Palestine" was applied to a clearly defined piece of territory - the area which today comprises Israel and Jordan. It was agreed that "Palestine" was to become a League of Nations Mandate, entrusted to Great Britain.

    Under the terms of the Mandate, Britain's principal obligation was to facilitate the implementation of the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917, which pledged "the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people." No territorial restrictions whatsoever - neither east nor west of the Jordan River were placed on the Jewish National Home. In fact, the Mandate stipulated that Britain was to "facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage close settlement by Jews on the land."

    You see, Palestine was a made up name and the nomadic tribes holding camel races through the territory decided to squat on the land after it was provided for the Jews. If you didn't notice there was no mention of Palestinians (spelled arabs ) because there was on Palestine. I can see how that can confuse you but don't blame me.... Blame the League of Nations..... the Woodrow Wilson wet dream.

  • Caanite
    As a colonial power Britain had no right to promise the land to someone else. I am aware there was no nation called Palestine but I don't subscribe to the Terra nullius notion that if there is no European style large nation state that land doesn't belong to anyone. Regardless of how the land was divided/ named it should have ALL gone to the various tribes of that area. The Arabs shouldn't have been punished for some European regime trying to exterminate the continents Jews
  • Guest
    In March 1921, Winston Churchill, then British colonial secretary, convened
    a high-level conference in Cairo to consider Middle East policy. As a result
    of these deliberations, Britain subdivided the Palestine Mandate along the
    Jordan River-Gulf of Aqaba line. The eastern portion--called
    Transjordan--was to have a separate Arab administration operating under the
    general supervision of the commissioner for Palestine, with Abdullah
    appointed as emir. At a follow-up meeting in Jerusalem with Churchill, High
    Commissioner Herbert Samuel, and Lawrence, Abdullah agreed to abandon his
    Syrian project in return for the emirate and a substantial British subsidy.

    As you can see, the land was subdivided to have a separate Arab
    administration along with a substantial British subsidy (spelled payoff) and
    the payoffs have continued ad infinitum. I can't see where the Arabs were
    punished unless Abdullah pocketed the money like Arafat did. Whether or not
    they had the right is a moot point unless you want to time travel back and
    make an objection. Have a nut!

    MSNBC News Flash: Arizona Law 'Makes it a Crime to be Illegal Immigrant'
    (Doh!)
  • blkdragon
    Yes, but the savages in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan didn't accept the creation of Israel, and chose to start a series of wars in various attempts to conquer Israel. They lost, Israel won. ALL of them. For that matter the "Palestinian refugees" would be allowed full citizenship in Israel if they could live in peace with their neighbors like civilized people. They chose to continue living like they do and pursuing a war with Israel.

    And I agree that if we were in the Israelis place we would have wiped out the "Palestinians" by now. You can bet that if Mexico or Canada were to start lobbing random rockets into the U.S. we'd give them exactly one warning before we stomped them into the mud.
  • Caanite
    "Yes, but the savages in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan didn't accept the creation of Israel, and chose to start a series of wars in various attempts to conquer Israel."

    They had every right to try and resist a European colonial outpost. They just got rid of one colonial power- they didn't want another.

    " They lost, Israel won. ALL of them."

    Winning/Losing wars is not an indication of being the good/bad guy
  • blkdragon
    Maybe winning doesn't make one the good guy, but it sure does give one the right to the land that was fought over.
  • Caanite
    On that basis the Jews lost their land 2000 years ago but they stilled claimed it as theirs and claim settlements on west bank/ Gaza on a Biblical basis. That being so if Jews can return after 2000 years , the Arabs can return after 60.

  • Trench_Raider
    It's well known that I'm no fan of either Israel or the IDF (probably the most over-rated military in the world today) but their enemies are far, far worse. The characterization by Hawkins above of the palestinians is spot on. Thus I tend to side with Israel in confrontations like this.

    Good on the Israelis for their work here. For all their flaws, one has to admire the Israelis for taking it to terrorists and putting their own safety and security above the whining of the rest of the world.

    TR
  • jake
    Great job. Why the Left supports these jihadi scum is a mystery. I guess both groups hate the West, but the Left does realize the jihadis would wipe them out 10 minutes after taking over, right? right? Does the Left just want to be eaten last?
  • Charles Martel
    The left are afflicted by a mental disease called liberalism. In such a state, they have trouble connecting to reality and seeing things for the way they actually are.
  • blkdragon
    No they honestly believe that if they can get everybody to sing Kumbaya and hug enough all our differences will disappear, the skies will be filled by rainbows, and all our enemies will become our friends.
  • Kayibeyi
    Than this footage shows that any other military force in the world can get into anyship from helicopters in international waters and nobody has any right to defend themselves but get their hands up. More the ship is full of aid not weapon.
  • mightysamurai
    Bullcrap. Not only did they attack these Israeli soldiers with clear intent to kill, the "peace" activists immediately broke out their own firearms when they found out the IDF wasn't screwing around.
  • Rickvid in Seattle
    The contents of the ships could be easily unloaded in Ashdod, inspected and shipped overland into Gaza with no problem. Well, except that the weaponry and duel use supplies would have been removed before getting into Gaza.
  • A nation defending themselves by maintaining a blockade of their waters is fully within its rights and with ancient historical basis reasonable power to use force to keep that blockade going. The ship of "peaceful, nonviolent" idiots openly attacked people who were going to inspect their cargo with lethal force and the people attacked fought back.

    And you think that's just awful.
  • Caanite
    People going on your boast armed in International waters is called Piracy and they were well within their rights to resist. Many disagree on the fact at the siege being legal
  • israfan
    Thank you for your support of Israel. But this left/right thing is wrong and shallow. There is pro-Israel and anti-Israel both form the left and the right. Don't ignore all the benefits of proressive thinking. One does not have to be a backwards conservative to support Israel.
  • tblrk2006
    Good for the IDF. Once again, armed muslims cloke themselves in peace and charity.....and start shit. Kill em all. 100% worthless.
  • Charles Martel
    Agree. I would add that Islam is itself the problem and is a cancer that needs to be eradicates. Plain and simple.
  • realconservative
    real conservatives do not support Isreal. inforwars.com
    the place where real conservatives talk

    you neo-con scum are despised in America, by the right and left alike
    you scum fool nobody anymore
    you are bnothing but tools for the NWO
  • Pork_Soda
    Oh gimmee a friggin break... Alex freakin Jones?! Shouldn't you be stalking a Bohemian Grove member or somethin' instead of being @ RWN?
  • You aren't even a real human, let alone a conservative.
  • Guest
    What's free credit reports got to do with conservative talk? I don't get the connection.

    I have some friendly advice for you.....



    Do yourself a favor when someone dresses you, make sure the yellow stains are in front and the brown stains are in the back. That way when you compete for the Darwin award and find yourself in the emergency room the people there won't think you are a COMPLETE imbecile!

    Don't mean to hurt your feelings but sometimes love hurts.
  • I didn't know Pat Buchanan read Right Wing news.
  • Trench_Raider
    Oh please, C_T.
    There is a world of difference between Buchanan and that tin foil hat wearing, NWO fearing, clown Alex Jones.
    I'd be willing to be that Buchana (if asked) comes out in support of this action.
    TR
  • Given that he's been pretty anti-Israeli his whole career, warns of the New World Order, and thinks WW2 was a mistake for us to get involved with, I'm not sure how you could possibly come to that conclusion.
  • Trench_Raider
    By actually comparing what the two guys say and what their behavior is like. They are nothing alike. Look, I know you dislike Buchanan and buy into all the leftists talking points about him (at least this time you did not claim that he was an evil raaaaacist or an awful faaaaascist) but he's not a complete idiot and nut like Jones is.

    Oh yes. And sadly you seem to buy into the idea that being critical of Israeli policy is somehow an indication of anti-semitism. I hate it when people on our side do that. It's as bad as the left calling anyone who is critical of Obama a "racist". Like I said the other day, It's a sad thing when you act like a leftist because I know you are smarter than than and I respect you.

    TR
  • Buchanan isn't a fascist, but if they took over I have no doubt he'd strap on the jackboots. The man attacks Israel every single chance he gets and talks about a sinister one world government conspiracy. How, exactly, do you come to the conclusion that he's different than this joker?
  • blkdragon
    And again I need to clarify an idiots thoughts.

    I am no neo-con, nitwit. The term refers to "new conservatives" usually those that held some other political view. I am no new conservative, "neo-cons" have simply seen the light and joined those of us that have understood the reality of the world from the start.
  • TheDickNixon
    You wearing your tin foil hat in the bunker, dufus? ALex Jones is a crank, liar, and a crook. Nixon will take your gun from you and shove it up your ass if you want to bow up up some one.
  • "you are bnothing but tools for the NWO"

    But I don't even like professional wrestling.
  • Arius
    Liberals and progressives are allies of the Islamic jihad against the West. They are mostly unconscious of it.
  • blkdragon
    As far as I'm concerned once those ships refused to stop and be inspected by a lawful blockade they have engaged in piracy. The command crews should be arrested and tried. (and convicted and hung)
    And if there were civilians on the ships with no other purpose than to be used as human shields charges for kidnapping and holding hostages should be added.
  • Real Politik
    The reactions show that liberals have a respect for justice.
  • The reactions show that liberals are for bowing to criminals and thugs whether it's taking guns in the US or IDF forces defending themselves from unprovoked violence.
  • Guest
    Apparatchick,

    Is that social justice or economic justice? FYI liberals have NO respect for anything. they may as well be anarchists.

    Don't you watch any of the liberal protests and how they destroy personal property on a whim with no conscience at all about it. Is that how you define respect? The whiny little brats should be assaulted with tear gas LONG before they go on their destructive tantrums. Poor disenfranchised babies.
  • blkdragon
    Bark, bark, Moonbat.
  • Hotspur1
    Apparently except when Jews are killed.
  • mightysamurai
    That IS justice to liberals.
  • Dear Israeli Defense forces. May I suggest the next time you have a situation like this, you introduce the blockade runners to Mr. Harpoon missile, say about amidships should do very nicely.

    I suspect that area could do with a few artificial reefs and the fish would appreciate a free meal.
  • I don't know for sure what the real story might be but I have read in two places this morning that the IDF troops were only armed with side arms to be used as a last resort. In fact, one report has it the troops were armed with paint ball guns which I don't believe to be deadly weapons. If the intent of this mission was peaceful, it wasn't apparent and was contrary to known conditions off the coast of Gaza. Even the Egyptians are having trouble with these worthless Gazan killers. Being beaten with an iron bar would be enough for me to draw my sidearm and use it. It was a provocation pure and simple and people should not have died in what should have been a boarding and interdiction. How else do you explain it? If the Israelis wanted kill these folks they didn't have to risk their necks to do it - they could have blown the boat out of the water. Is that too hard to grasp?
  • Trench_Raider
    You can actually see the paintball gun (indentifiably by it's hopper) in the video Hawkins links. It's most likely a "pepperball gun". That is to say a paintball gun that is used to fire capsules of pepper gas. We have them at work and they are quite effective...and amusing.
    The presence of such "less than lethal" weapons is evidence that the Israelis went into this situation with a mind to keeping it non-lethal and otherwise showed restraint and that it was the thugs who attacked them that escalalted the confrontation.

    TR
  • It is beyond my comprehension that those on the left simply cannot understand this, unless all that they want are dead people the world over. Could it possibly be true that all the left really wants is the Earth to be free of all human life? That certainly appears to be what they want.
  • Yep, they do want the Earth free of human life, except their lives of course. Oh and the lives of their servants, all of which have been selectively bred to hug trees in their spare time.
  • darvindowdy
    Now this is why I "love" John Hawkins like a brother. John, I'm so proud of you for this essay. Stand tall and don't back down. Make no apologies. Also, expect the Ron/Rand Paul crowd to brand you as a Neo-Con.

    As for me? I'll copy this link today and send it to everyone I know and will post it on my Facebook page. Darvin Dowdy
  • Charles Martel
    Hear hear. This man has guts and should be applauded for having such courage!
  • northerncanuck
    I think one of the ships was called the Rachel Corrie (sp), wonder if it serves pancakes for breakfast?
    Once again the Israelis showed remarkable constraint, I admire them greatly.
  • blkdragon
    Don't forget the blood sausage.
  • Bigmo
    Obama ain't going to do nothing. Youi guys here talking about Liberals need to read this and see how the game works:

    Although Saban has lived in the United States for nearly thirty years, he remains deeply connected to Israel. He watches Israeli news shows, via satellite, throughout the day, and is a devout fan of the Ha’gashash Ha’chiver (Pale Pathfinder), a popular Israeli comedy troupe that performed for decades. “He knows every sketch of theirs by heart, and he uses their language very often when he speaks Hebrew,” his friend Dan Gillerman, the former Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, said. His hundred-year-old mother and his brother live in Israel, and Saban travels there frequently. Through the years, one of his closest advisers has always been an Israeli and, in business meetings with others on his team, the two would occasionally slip into a side conversation in Hebrew.

    He remains keenly interested in the world of business, but he is most proud of his role as political power broker. His greatest concern, he says, is to protect Israel, by strengthening the United States-Israel relationship. At a conference last fall in Israel, Saban described his formula. His “three ways to be influential in American politics,” he said, were: make donations to political parties, establish think tanks, and control media outlets. In 2002, he contributed seven million dollars toward the cost of a new building for the Democratic National Committee—one of the largest known donations ever made to an American political party. That year, he also founded the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, in Washington, D.C. He considered buying The New Republic, but decided it wasn’t for him. He also tried to buy Time and Newsweek, but neither was available. He and his private-equity partners acquired Univision in 2007, and he has made repeated bids for the Los Angeles Times.


    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/10/100510fa_fact_bruck#ixzz0pbcm8h4u

    Thats how it works. The real difference between Arabs and Aremicans is Arabs are not as corrupt. Obama ain't going to do nothing but play to Israel's tune.
  • jldnd
    Well you know the Arab way to influence the US was to kidnap 4 planes and crash them into buildings on 9/11. It was done by civilians carrying knives just like in the flotilla.
  • Bigmo
    And why should you care? The republican party has been hijacked by the Trotskyist. These people are not Americans. Everybody in the world knows this. Just look at the world and look at America when it came to this incident of the flotilla. Obama ain't doing nothing. There is no difference between Liberals and Conservatives because people like Haim Saban have taken over. It is now the Likud party and the Labor party of Isreal. Thats why you guys sound like zionist.

    Abraham Lincoln was the father of the Republican party and not Netanyahu. Christianity was their heritage and not Judaism. And European enlightenement was their philosophy and not zionsim.

    Everybody knows:

    http://www.alternativeright.com/main/the-magazine/remaking-the-right/
  • TheDickNixon
    That's Saint Pancake canuck.
    Nixon just laughed out loud thinking about that dozer flattening that anti American bitch.
  • Guest
    Ditto Ditto Ditto..... ROTFLMFAO!!
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