I'll provide a quick translation on the statistics: people are buying guns for home and personal defense. Nothing on that list is a hunting weapon.

Looks like the fear-mongering is working.

Looks like the fear-mongering is working.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-09 09:43:30

Why should we not be afraid? In your world obama is not a gun grabber?

"Not one piece of gun control policy has emitted from this white house. "

That doesn't testify to Obama's viewpoints, it testifies to his competence.

Every day I thank God that he isn't smart enough to implement his own agenda. Then again, if he were brighter, maybe he would have a different agenda.

Right, "it ain't gonna happen, but let's promote the fear of it."

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-09 11:12:25

Of course they do Vega, it is the SOP, look at every issue they bring out things and they just know are going to happen, this be a prime issue. No one from Obamas administration has put forth any bill that would ban guns anywhere. But they claim that he is still going to do that, despite the reality that he is not, has said that he wont (remember, conservatives say that we should listen to what he says, I guess on every issue but this one.) It is really sad to see such a grand party reduced to shills and fearmongers, I guess that is what happens when you let the kooks run your party.

Right, "it ain't gonna happen, but let's promote the fear of it."

2009-09-09 11:12:25

Except guns HAVE been banned and they have been banned by Liberals. And Obama is on record being for gun control. It is a part of his agenda he has not gotten to yet.

"it ain't gonna happen, but let's promote the fear of it."

As if the right has a monopoly on that particular ploy of politics. Please, it's common to all politicians and their political movements. Alinsky codified it into his set of rules, for heaven's sake:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood.

RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news.

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

I was going to post just the rule from Alinsky germane to the comment, but upon re-reading the whole set of rules and comparing the behaviours they describe to so much of what some of our most vociferous lefties say and do here, I thought there might be a teachable moment on how these rules get applied day in and day out.

wait, DDT is not dangerous to humans?

Like I said. "It ain't gonna happen, but promote the fear anyways."

Like I said. "It ain't gonna happen, but promote the fear anyways."

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-09 14:06:36

Vega, were obama and holder just talking out of their ass all those times?

“No one from Obamas administration has put forth any bill that would ban guns anywhere.”

You’re right, as he’s moved directly to thought crime. Why ban guns when you can just ban disagreement with Obama? Go to a protest, write a critical op-ed, or stand up for your freedoms and this Administration paints you as an “extremist” and encourages others to turn you in directly to Obama.
I suspect gun sales to keep trending upward as Obama establishes his Sturmabteilung (civilian security force) to bust heads and supress dissent as his Presidency continues its free fall into the crapper.

Like I said. "It ain't gonna happen, but promote the fear anyways."

Yeah, I mean, it's not like Obama supporters have been assaulting conservative protesters or anything. Right?

D-Vega, fear or not what I was disagreeing with was the "mongering" part, not the "fear" part.

You were stating openly that people had been scared into buying guns by opponents of the president who were spreading fear. The idea that people might, of their own accord, be concerned apparently never occurred to you.

Whether that's because as a leftist you think everything has to be ginned up by astroturfing organizers or you figure President Obama is so heavenly and perfect no one could possibly be afraid unless tricked into it we can only guess at.