Of all the reasons Barak Obama shoudl be removed from office, THIS is what gets news?

Really?

There is a staggering amount of evidence that people have been dragging up saying he was born in Kenya, and the only proof to the contrary is a verbal statement from a political apointee.

I have asked on numerous occasions in the past, what happens to all of obamao's policies and legislation if he is proven to not be born in Hawaii or any state or soil belonging to the United States.
The only reply i ever got was from jackass libtards who cry “birther!” and add insults with no substance behind it…
And replies from john long-fist hawkins who says pretty much the same crap that libtards do.
So Stan, what do you think happens to any bills that passed congress and got his signature on them if this goes through and somehow obamao is proven to not be a citizen?

BTW, I would LOVE to see obamao in jail if this gets proven.

One the 1-in-a-BILLION chance this actually succeeds, then I think all of the bills and executive orders will immediately be returned to the White House to be signed by President Biden, right after he grants a full and unconditional pardon to Obama!

Eh, you aren't thinking on big enough scale.
Would Biden have any claim on the seat of presidency since his running mate was a fraud?
The Citizens of the United States would have been conned into voting for them based on that fraud.
The people who claimed to have vetted obamao, would be proven liars and working on concert with that fraud.
Think RICO.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that he is A) not an American and B) has been engaged in a huge coverup by strong-arming/bribing any number of officials to keep his secret.

But I doubt anything will come of this. Those involved in the case will likely be threatened to shut up and the entire thing will be shut down faster than a voter intimidation inquiry involving the black panthers.

That decision can always be appealed to a higher court lol.

“If he was born on American soil, he is an American citizen.”

Was Obama born on American soil? It hasn't been proven. The COLB does not prove it (such have been shown to be given to people born in other countries). The newspaper announcement doesn't prove it (such have been shown to be generated by the COLB process). In addition to birth location, there are other questions. Was he ever a citizen of Indonesia (which did not recognize dual citizenship at that time)? If so, is that a factor? Under what passport did he travel to Pakistan when it was banned by the State Department? Couldn't be a US passport, and passports show citizenship. Why haven't his college records (which include citizenship and funding sources) been released? Why no records of his law practice?

Does this issue matter? Can you complain about the unconstitutional actions being done by this administration and not care about this issue (which is also a Constitutional matter)? Congress thought the matter was important enough to ascertain the eligibility of John McCain (born in Panama). So why did Barak Obama get a pass?

Last, if he really was born in the US, why hasn't he dealt a nasty blow to the right and produce proof? I have to bring more evidence of citizenship when I register my kids for sports than Obama ever showed to be President. My only question is, why isn't this MORE of an issue?

This is fruitless. Unless you try each and every one of them to remove them from office, they will stay. The rules of ascendecy will applpy. You get rid of Obama and Biden stapes in. Do them both and youget President Pelosi.

Oh, and as a side note, I believe that most of the people who vetted Obama knew he was a fraud from the beginning. AND nost of the people that voted for this crew KNOW NOW that they were conned!

Loved it when high school students meeting Obamao had to provide their original birth certificates to pass the security checks to get within arms reach of him.

This is fruitless. Unless you try each and every one of them to remove them from office, they will stay.

I am in favor of them all being tried.

Good movie to watch to see how the RICO Act process works.
“Find Me Guilty” starring Vin Diesel.
Vin gave an excellent acting performance in that movie. I was very entertained and it was very educational on how our justice system works.
In a RICO trial, if one of them is found guilty, they are all found guilty.

There is no way in hell he would continue to let the right get away with the birth stuff if he could shut them up with some proof. But thats going to be hard since he is not eligable to be president.

EMT, I appreciate your passion on the issue, but there are better ways for Conservatives to spend our time than tilting at this windmill.

AND most of the people that voted for this crew KNOW NOW that they were conned!

And they still dont care!

Well, you can't fix Stupid!

I think it's really beyond whether he is or isn't but whether he is above the law or not. I have to…why doesn't he?

The case has no merit on the basis of Obama's daddy. Unless Obama had served in the British government or military, or formally renounced his US citizenship, he's a US citizen. It gets dicey if he was born outside of US soil, but I'm not sure how he or the DNC faked his birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper without hopping in Doc Brown's DeLorean if that's the case.

That birth certificate stay locked in a vault though since it has the “I” word on it.

The only interesting part of this case is that a judge may be able to pry it out of the hands of the State of Hawaii where nobody else can. Hawaii has an entire webpage dedicated to deflecting Obama birth certificate requests, repeatedly stressing the need for a “direct and compelling interest”…which presumably only a court case could provide.

I don't agree. Whether legitmate or not, the harping on the birth certificate makes the right look silly. Unless some smoking gun shows up to prove definitively he's not a citizen, this entire thing looks like grasping at straws. I've no doubt he's more than willing to let conservatives bring up an issue that makes us look silly whenever his own incompetence in governing becomes an issue.

I totally disagree.
Making the President of the United States of America lead by example is not tilting at windmills and validating his seat to the world is absolutely worth fighting for.
This is fucking EMBARRASSING that it is a controversy that can EASILY be solved that he refuses to do so, yet is REQUIRED BY LAW to do.
Not having his bonafides on record is a total dereliction of his SWORN duty.
The dumbass does not even have his college transcripts on record and it can be argued therefor he does not even possess a college diploma.

Just one smoking gun?
Seriously?
Like maybe his own family saying he is born in kenya?
What about a Kenyan birth certificate?
Or do you need a bigger one or do you want more than one like the country of Kenya celebrating his birth in Kenya?
How about a news artical from 2004 congradulating the kenyan born senator to office?
OR what about his wife mentioning kenya as his homeland?
Would you like more or could you maybe provide a shred of proof to the contrary?
I'll tell you right now, you CANT because it is sealed to protect his privacy and NO ONE per Hawaii department of health may open his records except obamao himself.
Which contradicts even the verbal statement that was given that the original birth certificate has been seen. It could not have been seen since it is sealed and can not be opened to be viewed and doing so would compromise obamao's privacy.

Keep these comments comin' guys. Perfect entertainment for my morning coffee and bagel.

Shut up, Pinko. No one cares what you think!

The time wasted is listening to brain-dead Liberals who would grag hold of any wacko-conspiracy theory about George Bush screaming and yelling that ALL Conservatives believe this tripe.

It distracts from the real issues with Obama and his America-destroying agenda.

I am at the point where I do not care if he was born in Hawaii.
Because of Stanley Anne Dunham he is at least 'an American born abroad'.
Could the Hawaiian birth have been faked? Easily. She could have brought him there anytime after he was born, notified the state of his birth with a claim he was born in Hawaii and with that notification the local paper could pick it up and run it. Don't forget this was 1961.
Papers routinely perused local birth records for 'filler' items. And in Hawaii births were routinely reported late, from other islands. that's why they have COLB rather than just Birth Certificates.
Anybody ever heard what hospital was involved? Didn't think so.
The argument about 'foreign-born' Presidents would be resolved if he was born in Kenya.

Barry's trip to Pah-kee-stahn (who paid for it?) and his various college records (because he never seemed too smart) would be more interesting to me. He is definitely hiding things there.

Just waking up huh looser?
I already put in more work while you were sleeping than you do in a month basement dwelling. Sorry to hear about your friends getting arrested for espionage, but I heard one of them jumped bail.
Enjoy your breakfast, I'm sure your momma made it special for you.

Mr. EMT,

None of the things you cite are smoking guns. They are thing that can be interpreted as implying that there are questions about his citizenship. Wanna bet on how much weight they are given? How about the fact that you're on a conservative website and these arguments are being dismissed. Now, try thinking how well any of this plays out to a less sympathetic audience.
No, the only way you're going to get anywhere is to produce a confirmed Kenyan birth certificate for Mr. Obama. And even then, the only place you're going is replacing President Obama with President Biden. Both the Constitution and precedent say that pretty clearly.
Believe me, I wish there were some magic wand or magic document that would make the last year and a half go away. But, that just isn't going to happen. And trying to pretend that somehow or another that there is only serves as cover for the President's poor performance and disasterous policies.

Yes, Mr. EMT, you've put in quite the day already at the Batshit Conspiracy Theory Factory today. In fact, I think you'll be due some overtime this week. Great work!

Birth announcements in a local paper are not authentic proof.
You can announce your own birth certificate in your own local paper today.
Also talk to a VietNam war vet about war babies and how much hell they had to go through to get citizenship for their children.
The “Anchor baby” law was not around back then, and his mother was too young to provide citizenship based off of her own citizenship at that time.

Stan, you just said if Obamao is not a citizen, all his bills, all his actions are fraud and would have to be retracted.
That is not a real issue?
The apointments to SCOTUS?
The bail out bills? the healthcare bill?
The money sent to foreign entities?

Step back and consider the ramifications of obamao not being a citizen a moment.
If you still think it is not a real issue whether he is or is not and should not be given time or consideration then I got to ask one more question of you.

Then ask away, EMT.

What I think is totally funny is how much hard work you morons have to put into constantly deflecting and defending and excusing all of obamao's batshit actions that most of the time we give him credit for being too smart to be so damn stupid so we think it must therefor be a conspiracy if he isn't a mouth breathing slobbering simian minded jackass like you.
But hey, the wild assed excuses you deranged commies cook up is just as entertaining to us as I'm sure you find yourself being entertained by our musings of
“How the hell could obamao be so damned stupid? Oh he is just being sneaky its really a clever trick and his incompetent actions are really a clever ruse designed to make us look bad!”

What the hell are you smoking Stan?

Do you not have any respect for the law? Or do you not care who gets your socialist work done, just so long as its done?

OK, listen carefully EMT, because this is my last post on this subject…

Obama may be president and he may have gotten there under false pretenses, but he is first and foremost A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!

Remember all the provable criminal issues with Clinton? Remember the full-court press the Democrats put on? Remember the outright lies and lawlessness of the Left? The same thing will happen here, ON STEROIDS. I think the whole issue is silly and that there are better ways to take the Obama Administration down. Also, I never said Obama's decisions would be fraud or thrown out. I said Congress would just send them back to the White House and whatever Democrat was sitting in the Oval Office would pencil-whip them right back into law, AFTER he pardoned Obama.

Suppose you do manage to provide proof of Obama's non-citizen birth, what then? For every document you provide, the Democrats will throw up 20. For every piece of truth you put out, the Democrats and their willing accomplises in the press with put out 100 lies. ANY Republican or Democrat that signs on to your side of the issue will be smeared and destroyed by the Liberal machine. If you provide irrefutable proof of everything you claim is true, the Liberals will tie it up in court and drag this country through years of HELL. When Obama is nothing but a memory and a picture on a postage stamp, this issue will STILL be making the rounds.

We are in a fight for our very existance as a nation. It is bad enough that we have terrorists and savages threatening our way of life, but we also have to deal with an entire political movement in this country trying to destroy it from within. This issue is like trying to take down a criminal mastermind for a parking ticket.

If you believe strongly in this cause, that is fine. I wish you luck in your quest. But I cannot and will not support this effort when so much is at stake and so little is to be gained.

Obama WILL fail, but it will happen because of the ballot box and the greatness of the American people, not because of what it does or does not say on his birth certificate!

ask a silly question, you know the reply you will get.

“Like maybe his own family saying he is born in kenya?
What about a Kenyan birth certificate?”

“Like the country of Kenya celebrating his birth in Kenya?”

“OR what about his wife mentioning kenya as his homeland?”

Are you that naive, or just plain stupid? Surely you are just speaking tongue and cheek! You are joking around, right? If not, are you really an EMT? If so, it is scary how supposedly educated citizens of the USA can be so gullible. Wow, amazing, or maybe frightening! I wonder what other crazy stuff you believe.

Ok so basically you said it isnt worth fighting for because they will white wash the hole thing and spin it out to where they still win…
Then why bother fighting at all if you have already accepted defeat?
Why worry about wasting time and imply there are other fights worth winning, when something this huge and encompassing is not worth it?

I know you said you wouldnt make another post on this topic.
Don't worry, I asked rhetorical questions of you so you would not feel any urge what so ever to defend yourself in a fight you know you can not win with me.
Accept defeat, you lost.
Remember the Alamo ;)

Teach, there are two important legal points here, it first off revisits the whole 14th amendment anchor baby issue again which is in dire need of review anyway (and this is where the British citizenship of his father comes into play.). Secondly you presume that he was born on US soil, that has yet to be proven because he has refused to release any definitive documentation to that effect. He has in fact spent a whole lot of (taxpayer!) money to obfuscate the issue when it would be a very simple and inexpensive exercise to refute it. Since he has not done so, it seems fairly obvious to me that there is something in the record that would be a problem for him. Whatever it is, it needs to come out.

There is the issue of what to do about all of the things he has done if it is determined that he is not the legal president. THAT is a big can of worms and the elephant that nobody wants to notice sitting over in the corner of the room. do we rescind everything that he has done? What about the wall street bailouts and the takeover of GM and the passage of the health care control bill and all the other really questionable and repulsive things he's done? It is unclear how we COULD unravel some of these things.

Is he a citizen? is he a NATURAL BORN citizen? I cannot say one way or another and neither can you. nobody has any proof they are willing to share with the world and I see that as a real problem for the rule of law. I am not willing to give him a pass on the question because it would stir up too much trouble to try to sort it out.

EMT, try not to be a Vega-type jerk here. I understand this issue is important to you, but it is not to me and it never will be.

You believe this issue is “huge and encompassing”. I believe that there are other issues that are bigger and more winnable. It is OK for us to agree to disagree.

Do not think that I feel this battle is lost. Obama must fail for this country to survive and I will do everything in my power to help that occur. I will simply use a different weapon to do it with.

I hope you and your birth certificate do well.

P.S. – your petty and juvenile insult at the end of your post is beneath you. I expect better.

Fizzle, butt out of conversations that are intended for adults.

Unfortunately, I must disagree with much of the commenters here. I believe this is a non-issue that has gotten way too much play on the right. The certificate of live birth and the announcement in the newspaper point to a valid birth in the US. What evidence is there to the contrary?

I directed no insult towards you.

Everyone on the left agree's with you.
You want evidence?
It is literally spread all over the internet and has been discussed here many times.
Go look for yourself instead of asking us to do the work for you if you have not heard about the Kenyan birth certificate, his family stating he was born in Kenya, the Kenyan government stating he was born in kenya, AP reporting Kenyan born Senator Obama takes seat in 2004 and on and on and on.

I clearly said that I was still fighting, just not your way. Stop being an ass and thinking that anyone not blindly following the BC thing is a traitor to the cause.

Getting a little defensive about it now aren't ya considering I never called you a traitor?
I'm just curious what it takes for you to cross the mark in the sand if this doesn't do it.
Let me know when you find something more important though ok? To me this kinda trumps everything.

Of course it's not proof of anything, but what incentive would there have been to fake it at the time? Say Obama's parents smuggle him into Hawaii, publish the announcement, are lucky enough that nobody from the hospital notices, then get a forged birth certificate. Why go through all the trouble? Could a couple college students have even pulled it off?

Why would Barack Sr. have wanted to take Ann back to Kenya in the first place? He had lied about his first wife, and she presumably would have found out if she had met any of his family or friends. Say that happens, she gives birth early, but still wants little Obama to be a US citizen. How do they get back into Hawaii? It's not like hopping the border from Mexico to Arizona. You can't put an infant in a suitcase. Do they stow away on a cargo ship and slip off in the night, then go through faking Barry's birth?

Nothing about the narrative makes sense, and there's no real motive.

Honestly I could care less about the “why they did it part”
And I could really care less about the “did he really do it” part.
What I am gravely concerned about is the fact that such a serious and grevious breach in the process of establishing the qualifications for presidency was totally and obviously ignored and too many people on the right and everyone on the left is in a big assed hurry to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

“Accept defeat, you lost.” – I am supposed to take this? Seriously?

I have not lost. Your attitude that Obama's Birth Certificate “trumps everything” is a position I cannot and will not agree with. Obama will be LONG out of office before you acheive ANYTHING here.

Mr. EMT… you and I are on the same side, fighting the same war, against a common enemy. You beleive in a course of action that will require extensive effort, resources, and time with LITTLE chance of success. There are other ways to fight the same battle using different methods that have a higher chance of success.

If you want to fight your Birth Certificate battle, go right ahead. I really don't care. But do not expect the majority of the Conservative movement, or even the majority of the Conservative posters on this board, to join you in what we consider folly and a waste of time.

Nope, you dont have to take that.
However, when you asked me to “listen carefully” That is the message I got from you.
The same thing will happen here, ON STEROIDS.

Either way, I do not think anything said by you, me or anyone on here is going to amount to a wad of spit in a hurricane in what happens.
However, I never thought obamao's citizenship issue would reach courts as high as it has.
So who knows?
It costs me no effort or time to support their cause.
It brings obamao a step closer to being answerable to the people, instead of the other way around as he is playing.

That's really my point. People have to provide more documentation to meet his holiness than he had to provide to be President.

Frankly, this issue is the only way out of this mess. If he is found to be a usurper, then all legislation he has signed, exec orders, everything is null and void. A get out of socialism free card. Why can't he just produce the original what is actually on it and what is everyone so afraid (including the MSM) afraid they will find? Is that why they don't investigate? The MSM surely raked McCain over the coals for his bisth certicate to try to disqualify him. Remember, the LEFT is the ORIGINAL BIRTHERS in going after McCain.

This would be over and done if Obama released the original, more people should be outraged that all his records are sealed, but instead those who are actually saying something about it get mocked. Seriously, just produce the original and we are done with this whole issue. But no, Obama won't. So it's not.

I'm gonna let you slide on that one comment since we have not been enemies and I don't wish to start. However, that was unbelievably hostile to a valid question.

1.) Even if the AP mentioned “Kenyan-born”, they have never misprinted anything before? We've all seen instances where they have gotten things wrong and repeatedly dinged them for it. Entire blogs are built around the AP's malfeasance.

2.) What is the likelihood that a couple, in 1961, would knowingly publish info about their son being born knowing he was not a citizen?

3.) Apparently, Hawaii accepts the Certificate of Live Birth as a Birth Certificate. This seems like a open and shut matter.

4.) Did the Kenyan government explicitly say he was born in Kenya?

Since it would be so easy to prove it, why hasn't Obama done so? True, he does seem to view himself as royalty and thus above us peasants, so his disregard of this issue isn't overly surprising. However, this deals with events BEFORE he was president. He needs to get off his royal derriere and show some papers.

test

The I apologize for my harsh tone. At the end of the day, we are on the same side.

I guess I should have stuck with “this will be my last comment on the topic”, huh? ;)

I'll agree with you there. Congress should establish some sort of controlling authority to determine eligibility for federal office, and give it standing to take disputes to court. Both would be well within their Constitutional duties.

Boax supposedly back in '61 did the papers need more proof than a call from a family member? Not likely so his g-parents could easily have just called it in!

This site proves that.

Yes, YOU do!

” If he was born on American soil, he is an American citizen. “

…and that is why this MUST BE CHANGED to restrict US citizenship to children born in America ONLY to US citizens

Never seen a right on right cat fight. Better than the sunday funnys. EMT for someone that is doing a bunch of work you sure have time to post alot. Just saying.

Now I can post all day its my day off. All I have to do today is run out and pick up a new exhaust manifold stud for my car, and a easy out. I have a broken stud. I am getting a pretty big leak and its causing the turbo on my car to spool slower. That is never a good thing.

Now im rambling about my car because I have put more substance in my one post than you have in your 21 posts. Now how about you get to work. You look silly your a post or two away from being branded worst than 9-11 was a inside job crowd. Those guys are idiots and well so are you for that matter.

Give us some solid evidence or STFU…. No I take that back keep screaming. Ill even get you a megaphone. The more that call you out as a wacko the better. How is your personal war going? Not well if you cant even get your side to agree with you.

Succeed! :D

What is the capital of North Dakota?

Regarding #2, it has been postulated that his Mom wanted him to be shown as being born in the USA in order to simply make sure he acquired direct citizenship. Back in 1961, it still would have all been easy to fake, and a COLB is not part of the actual birth record, but, simply a report to the government that a birth occurred, not necessarily based on the actual hospital report. Interestingly, the State of Hawaii doesn't accept a COLB for drivers license ID, only a “State Certified Birth Certificate with both parents listed or State Certified Birth ID Card.” There are 6 other ID allowed, too. Just not a COLB.

Still and all, it is high time for conservatives to move on from these types of lawsuits.

True, true. But, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, with the whole “presumed innocent” till found guilty thing.

Do I think he should release the BC? You betcha. It would cost him $10 from the State of Hawaii. My own pet theory is that his mom became pregnant out of wedlock, which in 1961 was still a bad thing, so, the date of his birth was fudged.

He most likely hasn't done so because the birth certificate controversies are a simple way of distracting the public with an attack on you that does more damage to the attackers.

No offense, but where in the Constitution do you see anything about a “get out of socialism free” card? The clearest conclusion by the Constitution and precedent is that he would be replaced by President Biden. That's it. End of story.

Sorry, but let's not let wishful thinking replace logical analysis here. I'd love the card just as much as anyone here. I'm just not going to delude myself that its out there.

eh, assuming your theory is correct that he was conceived out of wedlock in 1961 (or whenever). Ok so it was a bad thing in 1961 but that was 1961, not 2010. Birth out of wedlock is really no big thing these days so who would give a damn? it is certainly not enough justification to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to obfuscate the issue. Sorry, I'm not buying, whatever it is, it is WAY bigger than that.

I COULD buy that it is simple arrogance on his part and he refuses to budge out of simple bull headedness, he certainly has the mentality to do such a thing, but he has to realize he is just giving others ammunition against him in doing so.

It seems to be established that she did get pregnant out of wedlock (and that both families were unhappy about it). There are friendly puff-piece articles in Time and the Chicago Tribune indicating Obama was born 6 months after his parents married. He wouldn't be trying to cover up something that's already public knowledge.

My bet is still on “Religion: Islam”. Opens up a very large can of worms, and could have real repercussions among the radical groups and countries that would consider him an apostate. Not that it means he was ever a practicing Muslim or is responsible for the reactions of religious zealots, but it does explain why he would be so reluctant to reveal the birth certificate. Thinking objectively, would showing the world “BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II, MUSLIM” really be constructive or helpful in any way? I don't think so.

Ah. I did not know that, Baoxian. Back to the drawing board.

Look, I would love for this to be true. It would remove this scumbag from office before his term is up and would cause a ripple effect all the way down the line that would seriously damage the whole Democrat party. Hell, it might bring the whole sorry lot tumbling down. But it aint going to happen, folks.

Sorry to say, but the “birther” guys are much like those who claim 9/11 was an inside job or the people who believe that Jack the Ripper was somehow associated with the British Royal Family. It makes for a great story, but in the end it's all nonsense.
There are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons to oppose Obama without simply making stuff up.

TR

My pet theory is the real BC shows President Urkel to be 'Muslim'.
And Stanley Anne never legally married BHO sr – he was already married.
But in 1961, with the very loose rules in Hawaii, both the COLB and newspaper announcement could have been phoned in by Commie Grandpaw.
And in '61 people did care if the kid was American, so the lefty 'conspiracy meme' need not apply.

I'm glad a court has taken this up because it has the power to force the issue to a closure instead of leaving it open and goofballs continuing to bandy it about. President Obama is an American, he was born in America on American soil. This could finalize the story and take the weapon away from the left and the Democratic Party.

How could Biden be prez if the ticket was invalid? It really is a constitutional crisis. Uncharted territory.

Making stuff up? So he released his LONG FORM BC like McCain did? It's really not that hard and only costs $10. Not the $2 million he has spent covering it up. Does't that make you ask why? At all.

Eh.
He probably has not released his BC because it has some bit of embarrassing information on it such as his parents not being married at the time of his birth or something.
Look, I would love for the whole birther thing to be true as the country would be alot better off with Obama's political career over the Dem party damaged or even destroyed. But I just don't buy it. I don't buy the 9/11 truther argument or that Prince Albert Victor Christian Edward was Jack the Ripper either.

Oh yes, and register with the site if you want to have any credibility. Posting as a “guest” is what trolls do.

TR

Well, the Constitution doesn't even specifically recognize “tickets”. In the hypothetical that you could pull off proving the President ineligible, unless you could could independently show Mr. Biden ineligible for the Vice-Presidency (and no, “he was elected along with Obama” would not qualify as an independent disqualifier), he would take the Presidency.

I have a question I'd love to hear a liberal answer. If Obama truly has nothing to hide, If this is all a bunch of crap trying to discredit him, Why doesn't he just allow people to see his acual birth certificate? He could end all the controversy in one fell swope by doing that, so why doesn't he? I can only think of 3 reasons. number 1(what I think) There's nothing out of the ordinary on it but he's so unbelievibly arrogant that he doesn't feel he needs to tell the American people anything. 2 Theres something either emmbarassing or damaging on it he doesn't want anyone to see. Considering how much the media covers for this jackass I can't see what could possibly hurt him. 3(what I consider the most unlikely) it shows he's not a natural born citizen and therefore cannot legally hold office. I'd love for a semi rational dem answer that for me.

Theres something either emmbarassing or damaging on it he doesn't want anyone to see. Considering how much the media covers for this jackass I can't see what could possibly hurt him.

Maybe his birth certificate lists his religion as “Muslim”.

Which means Congress would probably go with the quickest and least politically-painful solution: give the White House to Biden.

Thanks, William. That's the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm skeptical of the charge, but if I get hard proof, or at least strong arguments, I'll buy it. Until then, speculation and innuendo doesn't help. However, Obama not and Hawaii not releasing the birth certificate is suspect. Then again, that could be a calculated move to gin up opposition and make them look rabid.

Maybe but Do you really think that would hurt him? I'm not trying to be a smartass. I really wonder. It would hurt his credibility somewhat on say national defense and would probably hurt his chances for reelection but if he were doing a stellar job in office I can't see it being a deal breaker. I've heard people float the possibliy that it would say “bastard” as that was how babies with no fathers were listed then, I still can't see that hurting him politcially.

My shift ended at 7am libtard.
Also I do not work 24/7 and my freetime is largely spent online studying so get used to be being around to catch moronic claims being made.
Now, in todays job market, not having a job is not a crime in itself.
According to statistics more than one in every ten people is with out a job thanks to democratic legislation.
However, being a basement dwelling libtard with no job trying to preach bullshit talking points spewed by obamao? Yeah your opinion doesnt have any value.
Oh, last time I checked it is not my job to provide any evidence obamao is a citizen.
In case you missed it, that is why this case is now in the 3rd circuit, because he has not given any.

No offense, but where in the Constitution do you see anything about a “get out of socialism free” card?

By enforcing the laws for one thing.
Elected officials, especially obamao took an oath of office to uphold and defend the constitution.
Obama is an oath breaker, and yes i realize being a liar apparently has no legal ramifications.
However, fraud certainly does.
And replacing our capitalist government with socialism is overthrowing the government, is a high crime and is treason.

my point.

Maybe, however maybe not.
If the president is impeached or incapacitated then yes it would go to biden.
If the president is found to be a fraud, and was never qualified to take office, then biden should be in the same boat. You can't be the vice prez to someone not qualified to be the prez.

Since obamao did not even submit a COLB, then all you have is what amounts to a classified add as tangible proof.
And that is good enough for you to hand the option to nuke over to someone, Teach?
Loan me your car Teach? You can trust me ;)

Are you working at being a prick, or is it just your natural state?

News Flash for you, Conservatives do not agree on everything everytime. Just because you and your liberal ilk must remain in lockstep does not mean everyone else does.

And while I do not agree with EMT on the importance of this case, it has always been curious to me why Obama has gone to such great effort and expense to hide his past. Birth certificate? College Records? All sealed? People with nothing to hide do not work that hard to hide nothing.

Woudl you have had a problem if Bush had refused to release his medical records? Or his records from his time in the National Guard?

But, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, with the whole “presumed innocent” till found guilty thing.

Do you really care that he is or is not innocent?
Shouldn't you be concerned that as a businessman, professional, and LEADER OF THE FREE(till I socialize and unite) WORLD he should have submitted his education and birth records before even running for office in the first place and DID NOT?

All of you are missing a big point.
PRECEDENT
You are all saying the President of the United STates of America is not answerable to the people, that no one should question his qualifications while he is running for office, and once in office no one should dare question his integrity and/or authority.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
Is not even his whole name.

Actually birth out of wedlock in those days at her age was a serious legal issue.
U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for '10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.

So your hypothises for why the President of the United States of America has deliberately created a situation that has caused devision among his citizens, brought controversy on his office, and ignored the laws is because he is being sneaky and just waiting to say… “gotchya?”

What a childish, juvenile and totally unethical act.
Boy he sure is putting us in our place by doing that huh?
Oh wait.. he hasnt said gotchya yet nearly 2 years later.
Are you holding our breath Bill?
I'm not.

My highschool GED is framed… right next to my college diploma, right along with my medical certs, awards, and patches.
Not much but I got a hell of a lot more to show off than the President of the United States of America who has nothing to show.
Oh wait… he has a nobel peace prize and black belt in tae kwon do.

Awesome strategy. Gutsy too.
Make yourself look totally incompetent, and bring suspicion of major fraud upon yourself, just for a “gotchya” moment.

There is a difference between being a citizen and being a natural born citizen. Obama is not eligible, even if he was born in Hawaii.

Read the link – this subject has a historical context
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/04…

No, my hypothesis is that the President of the United States of America has deliberately created a situation that has caused devision among his citizens, brought controversy on his office, and ignored the laws because doing so in this instance has undermined his opponents (and I am opposed to this President) far more than it has undermined him. There is no “gotcha” involved. None is needed. As long as we continue to bog ourselves down this issue, one that has shown no promise whatsoever of working and enables him to paint us as a bunch of cranks, he has no incentive at all to put an end to it.
Yes, I'll agree with you that it is a childish, juvenile and totally unethical act. But, playing along with it rewards that behavior.

It certainly rewards it when you do nothing to stop it, nor anything to punish it.

Stan I have made multiple attempts below to respond to your latest post. None of my replies are showing.
I think we hit the end of the string lol.
Anyway I have been trying to say that I took no offense at your tone and that I am as responsible as you for your ire at my stance.
I'll buy the beer if you buy the bar b que nachos ;)

Yes, in the hypothetical that he were proven to have committed fraud to obtain the office, he would be guilty of fraud and would be removed from office. But, that doesn't mean, under any definition, that the laws he signed would be null and void. As has been noted, Biden would be recognized as the President, as the Constitution makes no provision of “tickets”. On paper, the Electoral College elected Joe Biden as Vice President. Unless Joe Biden could be shown as somehow or another disqualified for office, there wouldn't be a leg to stand on.

Now, I'll agree with you that socialism violates the spirit and intent of the Constitution. But, spirit and intent do not law make. And the courts will laugh you out of the room if you try to claim that. Not fair, but true. If the laws passed Constitutional muster (and there isn't much reason to believe that the courts have decided they don't) before President Biden resigns them, they won't all of a sudden become invalid.

Like I said, it's comforting to believe there's some magic wand that will make this all go away. But, I've seen your comments on other topics. You're too smarter to delude yourself that there is.

Bismark.

What is the capital of our 57th state? :)

Mr. EMT,

How exactly does looking like you're grasping at straws and and repeatedly asserting something that the public isn't buying stopping it or punishing it?

Maybe but Do you really think that would hurt him?

Dunno, but apparently he thinks it will. Otherwise his birth certificate would have been released at the start, long before this birther nonsense ever started.

Maybe, however maybe not.

There's no “maybe” about it, not with a Democratic Congress.

he may believe it does not hurt him, but he would be wrong. But then again he is wrong more often than not.

Yeah he probably comes by it honestly, he is always “calling it in”

Being a muslim on his birth certificate is too frivolous. He could have dismissed that easier than he dismissed Jeremiah Wright.
“Yes my parents were Muslim, i converted at a young age”

Obamaoland, Puerto Rico!

If he doesnt have the authority to be president, he does not have the authority to enact laws passed by the president.
Same with a judge being disbarred for corruption that has to have his corrupt judgments overturned and new trials made.
Can you be less ignorant so I have more of a challenge in any intellectual debate? I feel like I'm beating up on kittens drowning in a burlap sack.

Oh and overthowing our government? Yeah against the law.
Pushing communism is an attempt at overthrowing the government.

Those democrats keep dying off he way they are, there isn't going to be many democratic seats come the next election this fall.
Not to mention 2012.

I don't mean to seem callous and disrespectful to the memories of Kennedy and Byrd. I'm sure the democrats can find another racist leader to replace Byrd and another murderous drunk to replace Kennedy.

The ones I checked with about a year ago did not require anymore proof than your credit card number.

Considering anyone defending obamao and claiming he is legit (which i notice fewer on the left are even trying to do now) is requiring more desperation and gargantuan mental efforts on his supports…
I do not see how this is a battle that can be lost by anyone who simply says, “Yes the President of the United States is required by law and by constitution to provide proof of his eligibility for his position.”

Right now, you are saying the President of the United States of America does not have to prove he is who he says and we are all supposed to just accept it based on faith and someone else saying it's so.

We don't have a capitalist government, you idiot. Capitalism is not a form of government, you pitiful birther.

Actually, no, you're wrong again. There's nothing in the Constitution that says a Presidency would be invalidated. It could only be grounds for removal if the existence of that particular Presidency was acknowledge. Your very reliance on the charge of fraud points to the need to cite “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Contrary to what you might wish, there's no do-over clause in the Constituion. Before you start throwing around ad hominems like a complete douche, you might want to try reading it.

Oh, and there's no way in hell pushing communism would ever be construed by a court as “overthrowing the government”.

Did you ever stop and ask yourself before showing the world what a moron you are just what the antithesis is of socialism?

Our government is based on capitalism.
We are a Republic based on the ideals behind a free democracy granting power to the people to privately own their own property rather than serve the government and stay beholden to what our masters allow us to keep.
This is why our constitution preserves Free Market and profit motive.
This is what you stand against, this is one of the many things obamao is attempting to overthrow.
This is why you are a retard and why you need to be given a bullhorn to shout your idiocy in front of a national audience.

This has become the joke that wouldn't die.

This case has no chance as the legal basis is something that precedes the Constitution. There is no precedent, and on the contrary, there is plenty of evidence that a Mexican lady can squat in the Arizona desert and her baby is a U.S. natural born citizen. We've discussed it here before.

Obama has not only met Constitutional merit, but has provided more public proof of natural born citizenship that any President in the history of this country. Whether his father was a British citizen is irrelevant, since his mother was a natural born citizen and he was born on U.S. territory. You will never see his original birth certificate, because he is not required to do that, and has already been confirmed.

Any other pulled-out-of-your-ass “proof” only exists in the sad minds of the people who want to bring discredit to the President. They cannot face the fact that Obama is President of United States, for whatever reason, and this is the fringe most thoughts on it.

It's not an “issue” or “argument”, it's part of that “he's not one of us” and “raghead” and “Kenyan” lunatic part of your political group.

The Court should review this, and then they will kill it. And the losers will moan about how the fix was in, so they can continue their hatred wet dream.

To think otherwise means this was the biggest conspiracy in U.S. History, one nearly 50 years in the making. Deal with reality, loozers.

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Wrong. Born on U.S. soil means natural born citizen. Has been for more than 200 years.

Do you recognize the difference between unpopularity and the absence of an acknowledgement of legitimacy? Here's a clue. The birth certificate issue doesn't persuade anybody. It gets conservatives laughed at by the very people we need to persuade that Obama's policies and governance are disasterous.
At this point, the burden of proof is on the accusers. His eligibility has already been accepted by all of the states and the Supreme Court. Making accusations and demanding they be disproven simply doesn't cut it. It simply gets you laughed at.

His mother was a natural born citizen as well.

I'll reply to you when you post something vaguely coharent and based on some form of reality.
replacing our government with communism is not treason? LMAO!

Tell you what, you start pushing it, maybe help out russia's effort and replace one of their now exposed spies.
Me, I'll be busy at my loading bench.

EMT, bill is not only light years more smart and interesting than you are, but he is also on your side, you moron.

Biden was nominated by the party and voted for on a joint ticket. Even if you could oust Biden, Nancy Pelosi would then be sworn in.

All of things are lies disproved before he was even voted for.

You are a sad case.

The $10 one is the same one he has provided, Mr. Teach.

That law refers to people BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES TO U.S. CITIZENS.

Your birther stupidity isn't even recent.

(snicker)

Except he's maintained from the beginning that he was never a Muslim.

Don't you remember? That was a big deal during the '08 campaign. Obama wasn't a Muslim, he just happened to have a Muslim father, grow up in a majority-Muslim country, attend a majority-Muslim school, and live in a (presumably) majority-Muslim neighborhood for most of his childhood. All those racist right-wingers are speculating over nothing. Obama's always been a Christian. Really. Honest. I swear.

No, he doesn't.

Deal with it!

Bullcrap. Capitalism is part and parcel of the system of government devised by our Founding Fathers. What part of “No person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property” do you not understand?

Actually, I'm the only person in this exchange basing his comments on reality. Under what legal standard is enacting laws consistent with communism treason? Seriously. Don't tell me communism is a bad system. I know that already. Show me one legal precedent that has arrived at that conclusion. Not your personal opinion. That and $4.63 will get me a venti latte at Starbucks. Where has a court of law ever concluded that enacting laws consistent with communism is treason. It's a simple question. Since you're making the claim that your views are based on reality, show me. I'm hardly impressed that you can type an internet acronym.

By the way, when you're criticizing the COHERENCE of someone else's comments, you might want to try spelling the word COHERENT properly. And not starting sentences with lowercase letters.

Wrong. Capitalism is a form of economy, not government. The Founding Fathers may have included it, but we do not have a capitalist government.

Don't try to protect the slow kid.

You need to do some research, Trailer Bill.

“Seriously, I thought we had moved on from this”

Seriously, YOU have seen a real Obama birth certificate ???

“Whether legitmate or not, the harping on the birth certificate makes the right look silly.”

What an absurd comment.

“I am at the point where I do not care if he was born in Hawaii.
Because of Stanley Anne Dunham he is at least 'an American born abroad'.”

Actually, that is not true based on citizenship laws at the time.

You should be more concerned with your own shortcomings than what you perceive to be someone elses little guy.
Of course that is presuming that your issue is simple minded ignorance, and not overt treachery.
So tell you what, easy question for you:
What did our founding fathers base our government upon? Capitalism or socialism?
Did they believe in seizing property and wealth when you have reached a certain point and “have enough?”
Or did they believe in enabling private citizens to pursue hapiness and earn property and wealth through their own works and deeds to be able to climb social classes and work their way from poverty to prosperity?
Answer that question, or do not ever presume to preach to me about my need for research and expect me to treat you as anything other than what you are. A basement dwelling freeloader who begs for scraps from his masters table rather than goes out into the world to earn your keep.

Gee, you got me.
All this time and every debate on this board and im finally disgraced and fallen due to lazy typing skills after 32 hours with out sleep.
Sheesh, maybe I should go to bed early instead of continuing to destroy every inane excuse and moronic claim you are making before you find another typo and further embarrass me.

I would, but I would much rather use you as a tool.
Please by all means run around and brag to people how you ran into some idiot on the internet that thinks overthrowing the government and destroying the constitution and replacing i with communism is not treason.

And just how much support would even you publicly give pelosi at that point?

Don't try to disguise your stupidity now.

Vag, if i was going to disguise my stupidity, all I would have to do is stand next to you where everyone else would be blinded by yours.
You are a miserable failure and are incapable of even answering a simple US history question that every 5th grader in America should be able to answer.

Good to see you accept your stupidity.

That is the first step in aspiring to be just plain dumb.

OH SNAP! Where was I all day when THIS was HOT!!!

Teach! We don't want to move on BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO! AND because Odrama Queen is making such a big deal out of everyone ELSE'S bonafides – IF you are a CITIZEN! You cannot wash a bird on the Gulf Coast without fear of being ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED unless you are CERTIFIED – but HE ALONE of all American Citizens doesn't need HIS bonafides?

No! No! NO!

THIS is TOO PRECIOUS for words!!!

For those of us with 40-50 yr old DRIVERS LICENSES – next time we go in, we have to take our Birth Certificates to get a RENEWAL!

BUT NOT FOR HIM??????????????????????????????

KISS MY GRITS!

When he bows to the King of Saudi Arabia – don't you want to know who his CLASSMATES at theMADRASSA were??? What if Achmadinajad was one of his classmates and they both were heavily indoctrinated in The 12th IMAM! WOOOO~~~!!!!!!!!

He has a bill going through demanding identity verification to get to be ONLINE – And HE doesn't have to SHOW HIS FIRST??????????

They just lowered the EPA standards so low that in Texas – not that densely populated – if all vehicles are shut off entirely, EVEN THE BIG BEND won't QUALIFY AS HAVING CLEAN ENOUGH AIR!

That stinks.

This man has a lock box on his records that is tougher than Fort Knox ever though of being.

BREAK IT!

Just because he is ONLY a PUBLIC SERVANT and NOT an Emperor and because of the burden he has exponentially increased on the backs of every American Citizen, child, grandchild and great grandchild NOT YET BORN – BREAK THAT LOCK BOX!

After all he has paid to get all those other cases dismissed, because he lives in rarified air – BREAK THAT BOX!

Don't hand us that “Birther” SLANDER!
Would you do that at the DMV for your next Driver's License – tell the Clerk she is a BIRTHER instead of coughing up your bonafides???

LOL!

Why does BIDEN become President if HE WAS ON A FRAUDULENT TICKET with Odrama Queen?????????????????????????????

Isn't he as disqualified as all the legislation that Odrama Queen signed???????

Just sayin'…….

Fruit of the poisoned tree – they all go!

Fruit of the poisoned tree – they all go!

Conservatives are accomplishing anything on ANY FRONT? Isn't that why the GOP remains in low numbers in spite of Odrama Queens immoral antics?????????

Arizona and Christie in New Jersey are the only ones with STUFF to show. Bobby Jindal is working mighty hard – but Odrama Queen keeps triangulating him, so far!

I've copied a poster of Odrama Queen from a European Newspaper that has him between Caligula and Bonaparte – talking about “The Making of an American Dictator”!

He is a joke the world over!

They already did that to death when John Kerry refused his papers because they would have proven he was guilty of TREASON and had NOT earned any Purple Hearts!

You have to be tougher than THAT!
This nation is going down the TUBES and you are worried about them making FALSE COUNTER CHARGES over anything that comes to their insipid little smarmy mind?

Step up to the Plate and Man Up and Get to a higher LEVEL.

Counter Charges aren't equal because the political groups are ENEMIES.
FALSE CHARGES out of SPITE are NOT equal to LEGITIMATE ISSUES!

JUST SAY SO! Spit in their eye!

Don't wimp out on us, Stan. You are a GOOD MAN! THINK ABOUT IT! How do you face Winston Churchill in Eternity??? Or George Washington and Paul Revere! Patrick Henry and Daniel Boone! Samuel Adams!!!

Sir Winston Churchill: Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

What is looking WINNABLE to you, right now? And what would do more to UNDO ALL THE DAMAGE?????

TSK TSK TSK! Ah Stan, I thought better of ye than to be so mean to someone who didn't talk you so!

Is that how you treat cleks at govt offices when you go for legal procedures? “You look silly asking me for my documen tation> Doesn't the fact I'm standing here prove to you I was BORN?”

That didn't work for me when I stood before clerks and judges who knew my parents, grandparents and great grandparents and were in the general area of the new hospital when I was one of the first kids born there – and they had known who I was all of my borned days!

Even in the first 9 yrs of my life when they knew my real whole name and who I was named after which I did not know myself, since I'd been called a nickname all along!

How can you say it is SILLY because that is what DIMS SAID to COVER FOR HIM! Same as they aid for Bill Clinton til the BLUE DRESS WAS DISCOVERED!

Don't you feel FOOLISH saying it's SILLY to wonder why THE ONLY PRESIDENT IN THE USA to not have his BONAFIDES out for the General Public has a right to have them under lock and key like they wee some sort of Sacred Talisman or something????????

With a CONNECTICUT SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!

Stop and think! Why let Liberals embarrass us into not letting everyone examine all ALL Odrama Queen's records.

I wanna know if TERRORISTS NAMES NOW on our Headlines and Radar Screens are FORMER CLASSMATES of Odrama Queen's!

Don't try to tell me I don't have a right to know those things! He is MY Public Servant!

That isn't true. They are very much in fact all quite hot smoking guns.
Most of all JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SEALED! Very SUSPICIOUSLY SEALED!

Your willingness to dismiss it hinges entirely on the fact that the subject of this discussion is already sitting in the Oval Office and that makes this very uncomfortable.
Not as easy as making the cops go check on the homeless guy down the street who is acting suspiciously.

The Fact that he IS in the Oval Office makes the smoke a lot hotter and a lot bigger.
He never should have gotten there without the bonafides being looked at along the way.

Everyone else was just so much better known somewhere that we didn't have to demand it for them, until Hanoi John bragged too much about Purple Hearts we all know he did not earn, and we all remembered the years of him bragging about those Paris Peace Talks with the Hanoi Govt he suddenly wanted “sealed”, too!
Everyone else was an open book – Clinton included. He didn't try to hide his own trailer house background! It was all out there.

Haven't you seen the videos of the Kenyans bragging about him, when they did not yet know that if he was born THERE he would be disqualified?

Who is calling who “STUPID”?

Where are the people in HAWAII who are bragging about being in the same neighborhood as him when he was born?

NOWHERE TO BE FOUND!

Until you get to a POST COLLEGE ODRAMA QUEEN MEETING VALERIE JARRETT. Except for Frank Davis.

So what makes it stupid to see Obama family and friends bragging about knowing him as a child, knowing the circumstances of his birth, recounting memories of things like, how his mom spent all day at the airport trying to get a flight out but they wouldn't take her because of the advanced stage of her pregnancy, so she came back and went for a swim in the ocean to cool off and went into labor…
Telling that on video when they did not have any way of knowing that might cause a problem for him…

That when NEWS BROKE that this was embarrassing for him, the KENYAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT DENY IT – THEY GAG THE FAMILY AND LOCAL HOSPITAL INSTEAD and make them take down the plaque that had been there since he became a US SENATOR! They arrest journalists and then through them out of the nation.

That isn't the way they treat goofballs.

And still, all he had to do was show his papers like all other Presidents and Citizens have to do every single day.

And you are afraid of not feeling “cool” before DIMS????????????

That isn't correct.

Obama separately credited two different Hawaiian Hospitals at very different times. One he gave a letter for fundraising purposes stating he was happy to help fundraise for them since that is where he was born. When reporters asked the hospital for proof he was born there instead of the other hospital, they refused to answer, but they removed the fundraising letter from their website. When the other hospital was asked to state for the record that he was born there, they also withdrew all previous claims.

The names of the two hospitals were nowhere NEAR similar – one was a Hawaiian name, the other a Western Name, yet Obama himself is on RECORD both ways.
He is too young and didn't live in Hawaii long enough to be that “senile” about it.

While Doctors and Staff cannot REVEAL HIS PRIVACY, someone could certainly say “I was there when!”

NOBODY HAS!

But they do in KENYA! And in nations next to Kenya as well.

Incentive at the time for an American Girl to have her own baby established with her own citizenship would mean a world of things besides the Presidency that a girl would want her baby eligible for that in 1961 would not be obtained by non-citizens.
You should see what people in that age went through trying to get relatives , new spouses, accepted into the USA.

We didn't have open borders and entitlements for Illegal Aliens back then. She couldn't have thought she would spend more time overseas than in America for the rest of her life, but she knew the travel of American Citizens was safer with the backing of the American State Dept than otherwise – if nothing else! She would not want to be able or forced to go certain places because of her own citizenship that her own son could not follow if anything happened like WW2 again!

Maybe that is the real reason that Odrama Queen is so angry with Arizona – remember that 1070 law has a provision in it that no one gets on their ballots again without their bonafides being examined.

Since Odrama Queen is this reluctant to show his bonafides even at this late stage of the game, maybe he would rather not run a second term than be forced to show his to be able to get on several state ballots –

THEN what does his NATIONAL candidacy look like!

Think about THAT! Who looks silly THEN!!!

THEN WHO LOOKS SILLY!

The more money he spends keeping them sealed, the sillier he looks! The LESS ABLE he is to show such documents SHOULD HE EVEN HAVE THEM!

The dirty little wrench in the gears remains:

WHY!

Maybe at first. Not any more. Those cheap silly suspicions are now taking a more serious root, the longer he goes on hiding them like the royal jewels.

What is he hiding that he is more afraid of the DIMS discovering about him than he is of the GOP thinking he is not legitimate to serve?

hhmmm………

hehehehehehe Good one!

Slam Dunk!

You should look around. Nobody is laughing anymore. Even the radio talk hots have quit laughing. It isn't about Hawaii – it is about Odrama Queen Lording it over his royal subjects.

If you ain't a King's Subject, but a Citizen, best you start acting like it. Quit acting like Odrama Queen is above you and you “don't have the right ” to see his bonafides.

We are.

Show us the DOCUMENTS!

you ain't validated til you do! Neither is he!

IS he your Emperor or something? Yes he does!

The Constitution clearly says he does!

Neither he nor you are above the Constitution, regardless of the lack of regard you hold for the Constitution.

Unless you are hereby renouncing your citizenship………..

REMEMBER – he APPARENTLY spent SOME time in a Law School – SUPPOSEDLY!

Perhaps he isn't showing “his papers” because WHEN he is caught, he won't be in NEARLY as much trouble if he NEVER PERSONALLY offered up any FORGED DOCUMENTS – that would be “LAWYER THINK”.

That was thought of in the beginning – not even the RIGHT cares about THAT anymore – it would simply play more deeply into his victimhood political ploys!

You have a great mind – and you've said you have n't thought of this much at all, it seems so silly on the surface unless one lives in books like The Manchujrian Candidate, etc, plenty of those Shadow World books movies and video games today, and plenty of people so steeped in it they just babble when their lips move.

But seriously, what TODY woud be so serious it could derail Obama with DEMOCRATS!

CLEARLY he doesn't give a flip what GOP thinks – and knows the DIMS would battle for him without even having to be asked – JUST LIKE FOR NOT SHOWING THEM AT ALL!

SOMETHING incentivizes him to keep ALL his records sealed from EVERYONE!

And the only ones he'd care about are powerful DIMS.
THEY don't even care abut MURDER, TREASON, or EMBEZZLEMENT or tawdry affairs!
To wit, William Jefferson, Toady Chappaqauiddick Kennedy, Hanoi John, Bill Clinton, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

He isn't even hiding his birth PLACE – the DIMS would DEEM HIM a Natural Born Citizen and you haven 't seen the supporters if you do not believe THAT!!!

So WHAT IS he hiding?????????????? What KIND OF THING is he hiding?

In the Madrassa Records? The Passports? Names he used as a student at Colleges? How he traveled to Asia at age 18 yrs old?

DID HE SPEND TIME in the 1980's in MOSCOW as some videos allege????

But Dims today would DEEM him “Natural Born” – too many of them have said they would demand that. They would fight tooth and toenail for him.

for THAT! Too many Conservatives would NEVER fight THAT issue.
I've seen THAT!!!

When the adult parent is not a US citizen, it refers to him in Hawaii – the WORLD would consider him the citizen of his Father's land. and NOT American.

We are the only nation left with an ANCHOR baby law now.

Especially with 4-5 yrs in an Asian Madrassa where American Citizens would be killed in that day, but NOT allowed to attend.

Did he come back as Barry Soetero, they say was the name he was going by up til he ran for Public Office just a few years ago…

AMEN!!!

Are we governed by Rule of Law or by Respect of Persons?

Everyone here has been griping for many years that it is NOT Rule of Law anymore but by WHIM of Politicians!

Well, it isn't going to BECOME “Rule of Law” again unless YOU [General use - "EVERYBODY"] stand and make a difference!

ROAR at the Dim Party – “JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!!”

No it ain't! THAT much we know – HIS “copy” came down WITHIN MINUTES of the DISSERTATION about how it was FALSE and how ANYONE could prove it by moving your mouse over it, and right clicking for the PROPERTIES of it which showed it was HTML GENERATED instead of SCANNED on the OBAMA CAMPAIGN WEBSITE!

I got there in time! I also got to the Hospital fundraiser letter in time. I cannot prove that to anyone else – because that computer I saved those pages on is now crashed – but I saw it and I am a witness, and you cannot force me to believe lies about it, now!

Thousands of other people got there in time and still have it all.

HTML IMITATION is NOT a CERTIFIABLE COPY of DIDDLY SQUAT!

TOO MUCH ON THE INTENET – DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!

You are not ALLOWED to come in like a Clean sheet of paper without having examined what evidence is out there and blithely contend THAT THERE IS NONE!

BECAUSE you refused to look and examine. ~~~”I SAY IT IS, SO THERE!”~~~ isn't working.

Your pinky finger isn't poised JUST SO!

No, it is not.

It is high time the GOP began to STAND for ANYTHING!

SOMETHING!

They've been giving the Dims a pass on EVERYTHING for 50 years.

They dismiss EVERYTHING the Dims tell them to!

That is why their poll numbers are in the pitts.

They never take back lost ground, no matter what!

Make them look rabid to WHOM?

The sleeping frogs sitting in boiling water pots??????????????

Oh, how embarrassed I am about THAT!

ROTFLTHH!!! SO LOL!!!

WHERE?????????

Biden is fruit of the poisoned tree – he is NOT the successor of THIS!

IF Obama were impeached for some other law – ESTORTION of BP for instance… ANY other law, that Biden were not proven to be guilty of as well, by Conspiracy – THEN Biden would be the successor.

With Obama's Election declared a FRAUD, so is Biden and the entire staff and cabinet. We don't want McCain in there either – he is as bad. But erasing everything Odrama Queen ever did – SWEET!

No, Biden would NOT take the Presidency – Part of the Poisoned Tree!

The Constitution didn't talk about tickets, but that is still how Biden got there.
Originally, the one who got most votes was President, the Presidential candidate who came in Second would be the new VEEP. Under THAT arrangement, NOT being on the same ticket, BEING FIRST RUNNER UP – THEN he would have been eligible.

He ain't and neither would be the Cabinet – unfortunately, Nancy would be the next in line since she isn't associated with the Ticket.

So if Nancy gets REPLACED this November…

There is nothing LEAST PAINFUL about Biden – and no they would not!
Nothing requires you to sit still for anything that stupid!

FRUIT OF THE POISONED TREE!

Tell me how they argue out of THAT! THEY are EMPEROR of THE POISONED TREE routine!

With the nation in this mood and the DIMS so highly unpopular and them to be disgraced over allowing a foreign infiltrator such as this to capture the Oval Office with impunity, they would have little to say in the matter before the American People!

Good one! How many times did SHE refuse to make Odrama Queen cough up his bonafides?

That will undercut her at the knees!

You are talking about simple impeachment for breaking his oath of office – NOT FOR A USURPER WHO KNOWINGLY GOT THE OFFICE BY FRAUD.

Take when they find a Judge got the office by Fraud, every marriage he ever performed has to be done over again, It is as if they were never married at all, regardless of all their years married or how many children.
In those cases, they don't simply say, “Don't worry, common law and all!” Ask some lawyer friends.

This is NOT like an IMPEACHMENT.

Think of a DOCTOR.
Turns out to not be licensed. His hospital gets CLOSED. HE doesn't get to sign final paychecks for the staff.

OOOOH- last stand of the defeated with no debate points left in his quiver – SPELLING checks.

How would you know who is smart?

Besides, anyone that gives you DIMS loophole, you think is smart.

I never found suicidal enabling of enemies to be SMART.

Yes, Capitalistic is a form of government. We don't have a Socialist Government and Socialism is NOT compatible with the USA Constitution.
You CANNOT have Socialism and the USA Constitution, that is why Socialist Marxists are always trying to tear the Constitution down and undermine it.

Your revisionism isn't selling, anymore – to many like mr emt are doing their own research.

Not eating the spoon fed Marxist pablum anymore.
You haven't anything left to stand on.
And the last few years, Dim taking thieving ways are showing Americans that what you are selling, they are not going to buy.

That is why 60-80 % of Americans support the Arizona laws, and the Military.

THAT was stupid.

That is Stupid. You must be a product of the Modern Public Schools. That is fundamentally so bizarre.

Why NOT? WHY SAY NO???!!!

That is too inane in 2010. $2 Mill – with the stuff HE said about his mother and grandmother already????????? He didn't go to his white grandmother's FUNERAL! $2 Mill to cover her tawdry reputation???????????? Out of his pocket?????????????????

Not hardly!

Not with DIMS! Only with GOP! And you think he cares $2 Mill what GOP think of him????????????????????????????????????

How can YOU swear

You know he attended a Madrassa in for 4 or 5 years, in a nation that killed American citizens and woujld have been LEGAL for the SCHOOL to do so if they suspected him of being American OR CHRISTIAN.
That doesn't EVEN make sense for YOU to SWEAR you ~know~ he was never a muslim and always a Christian.

In Jeremiah Wright's church! LOL!

http://www.pakistannews.net/story/636737

“The movie, titled 'Obama Anak Menteng' (Obama a Menteng Boy), has been adapted from a novel written by Damien. The novel was released in March 2010.

“It depicts the life of Obama during 1967-1970 when he stayed with his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who married Indonesian Lolo Setoro and stayed in the Menteng area of Jakarta.

“During his stay before he moved to Hawaii, Obama studied in two different elementary schools – Besuki school in Menteng and St. Francis of Assisi school.”

…………..

They interviewed his Jakarta neighbors who remember him well – just like the Kenyans – but no Hawaiians…

Rose,

Let me make this very simple for you. “Poisoned Tree” is NOT a provision in the U.S. Constitution. The Electoral College is. They selected Mr. Obama as President and Mr. Biden as Vice President. As far as the Consititution is concerned, Obama-Biden was never anything more than a legal fiction to describe a slate of Electors. Constitutionally, there is no “tree” to be poisoned.

No, Rose, it would requrie impeachment. The Constitution has no provision for invalidating an election. The only provision it makes to remove a President from office is impeachment. In your case of the doctor, the hospital can't say that the doctor never worked there. They must fire him.

I know some people are buying in to this, but, in America, British law does NOT supersede our own. If he was born on American soil, he is an American citizen. Period. Get over it.

Irrelevant.

Being an American citizen does NOT qualify one to be POTUS.

One must be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, which requires birth both on American soil AND birth to parents who are themselves citizens. This definition has been applied by the SCOTUS in all four relevant cases it has taken, going all the way back to 1814.

You get over it, William.

While I don't have any question with regard to the motivations of those who wish to circumvent the Constitution, I have plenty when it comes to those who wish to sit idly by (or do as Teach has done here and actually ENCOURAGE) while others do.

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If we cannot stand united and firm in its enforcement, then no other law is relevant either.

RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com

What I accepted is he fact you are a brainless obamaton, incapable of thinking for yourself.
I have also accepted the fact you are uneducated and you think communism and socialism are acceptable government policies for America to have which demonstrates you did not even receive basic middle school history and government classes.
You demonstrated that when you were asked a simple question that proved too much for your simian brain to comprehend and instead you self destructed.

I'm sure Bill is tickled pink to know you support his logic.

Obamaville! Mayor Unicorn told me so!

Rose, please remain calm. I said REPEATEDLY that I have and will continue to fight. I simply do not beleive that the Birth XCertificate issue is important, or worth fighting, or will acheive the desired results.

Rail against the Birth Certificate and have the matter tied up in court and the press for ages. Obama will fininsh his political career, doing damagae to this nation every step of the way and retire a hero to the Left. But is we elect Conservative, real patriots, to public office that will repeal and shut down his anti-American agenda, we can save this country.

Even if you win on the birth certificate issue, it would be a Phyrric victory. Proving Obama was not eligible to be President while the country lays in smoking ruins may feel good, but it would be “sounds and fury, signifying NOTHING”.

Ever stop and consider why it has no process for invalidating an election?
Probably because our founding fathers did not stop and consider the fact that their descendants would be so damned stupid as to not make sure someone is actually eligible to be president before blindly electing them based on empty promises and commie rhetoric.

Oh and point of fact, invalidating elections is a precedent in American criminal system.
Most convictions of Voter Fraud result in the opposing candidate being awarded the seat.

It's like you think you know what Voter Fraud is…
Yet you do not know the results and penalties of it.
And don't care if someone does it.
Amazing.

Oh right, i forgot the magic HTML fairy pooped out a COLB that obama says he is not responsible for and that gave you all the proof you want.

That is a bald faced lie.
Obamao's BC has NEVER been released. The State of Hawaii has made that fact official by passing legislation to make sure that it does not have to release it until obamao himself says so.
Which he has NEVER done in anyway shape or form.

Fail
earlier you claimed he did, now you say he doesnt have to.
Either way you are a liar and ignorant to the law.

Fine.
You work on persuading Vag, whatsup,libtroll, pinko, and other moron trolls all you want.
But don't cry to me that I am wasting my time, that is just absurd.

So, Teach.
Here we are, nearly 24 hours later, you have managed to make a post that averaged about 10 comments an hour making this one of the hottest topics discussed on RWN.
2 questions for you:
First, do you think “we” have moved passed it now?
Second, after seeing someone say that they would be concerned if they had more than innuendo, considering what you know, doesn't that in anyway make you feel the least bit obligated to research and report a little better?
Or is the “birther” debate only about suspicion with no foundation?

Back to beclown yourself a little more, eh?

Actually, I know what the Electoral College is and how it works. You don't seem to have that one down.

Don't try to pontificate on things you don't understand.

It is undeniable that the Founding Fathers intended our nation to be a capitalist one. The essence of capitalism is a “hands off” government. That's what we have. So it's perfectly valid to say we have a “capitalist” government.

Funny that you should mention voter fraud. One of my first jobs was with a litigation consulting firm that worked on one of the country's more significant voter fraud cases, Marks v. Stinson. I learned a little bit about the topic and, not surprisingly, your characterization of the remedy in such cases leaves more than a little to be desired. Actually, the courts don't “award the opposing candidate the seat”. They order a recount of the election results under the constraint that fraudulent votes not be counted (or work off an estimate of the extent of such fraud). The distinction being that the election is not “invalidated”, but re-estimated under remedial rules.

More significantly, the replaced candidate is still recognized as having served in the legislature for that term. Moreover, the votes taken while he was in office remain in effect. In this case, that was particularly significant because the balance of power in the PA Senate shifted based on the election.

In short, the example of election fraud completely supports my point. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make this clear to all our readers.

Please by all means run around and brag to people how you ran into some idiot on the internet…

Well, admitting you're an idiot is the first steo to recovery.

“Don't try to pontificate on things you don't understand.“

Sam, if Vega were to follow your advise, he would never be able to post here again, except when the topic of the post was “Hypocrites on the left and all the Lies they tell!”

Very entertaining!!
210 posts on whether or not Obama is an American.
Hah, you guys are seriously brain dead, OH MY GOD!
Keep it up go for 500 posts, you can do it, I'll come along now and again to give you encouragement.
Hey EMT guy, get some sleep!
Funny stuff.

Oh, I recognize my own shortcomings.
However standing next to you it's hard not to be genius.

Well, except for the fact that you've been reduced to having your insults and outbursts mocked.

In the United States one such case was in Pennsylvania where Bill Stinson won an election based on fraudulent absentee ballots. The courts ruled that his opponent be seated in the state Senate as a result

A 2004 election has caught up with a former Dodge County sheriff. Lawton Douglas, who was locked in a runoff at the time, conspired to pay off voters to cast ballots for him, a federal court found. Douglas, 38, now must serve 18 months in federal prison,

CHICAGO — A state lawmaker who didn't live in the district she represents was found guilty of using fake addresses on re-election paperwork and voter registration cards, and must resign.
Bailey, 52, first elected in 2002, faces up to five years in prison when sentenced Dec. 21. She wouldn't comment as she left the courtroom.

I always enjoy giving people the opportunity to shine.
Or rust in your case.
Next time you base all your job “experience” off of wiki, read a little more.

When poo flinging monkeys like you mock me, I do not feel any urge to conform to any level of intelligence that would pacify you.

Job hazard, I typically go over 24 hours with no sleep and then doze for a few hours before on the go again.
I just had a nap.

Well, just take it easy and happy Fourth!
Yah, this lib likes the 4th of course fireworks are illegal so wtf
Anyways later guys….

BTW, Teach, when you got THIS MUCH INTEREST in a thread, maybe your article didn't HIGHLIGHT it, just because you noticed the issue.

THANKS for the thread, very much.

What makes you think I am not calm, just because I have anything to say in response to your post? Does that indicate that you yourself are not calm over this issue?

I find the issue rather hilarious, myself.
All the folks scrambling to be apologetic to Odrama Queen for the fact that some require his credentials the way everyone else has to present them.
Like apologizing to a certain Emperor because you aren't good enough or pure enough of heart to see his new clothes.

Rose, please understand. The birther issue is very polarizing. Not everyone on the Right is going to be as passionate about it as you and EMT. My admonishion for calm was in response to your statement that I would not fight.

Not sure where you got that. The article is giving an abbrieveiated explanation. Try looking up the court papers, skippy. The firm I worked for showed that the level of fraud was sufficient to effect the results. But, if you're going off Wiki (and it seems you are), try using Google to find the state's listing of State Senators for the term. You will find Mr. Stinson's name listed. Also, you will find that the laws enacted prior to Mr. Marks' seating remained in effect. That shows your entire point is incorrect. QED

Try selling THAT to the American Public! FRAUD is very serious. Just because POLITICIANS sweep it under the rug every day and it is NORMAL ROUTINE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO the DIMS doesn't make it FLY!

POISONED TREE is definitely going to count in this matter.

FIND an instance where the chief enablers of a fraud get REWARDED for it.
ANYONE even pushes that, and the whole Dim Party finally meets its just reward. We've made that clear – impersonation isn't the same as getting caught making back room deals for bribery and such.

Oh, and by the way, skippy, I don't need to make up work history. I'm pretty sure my resume has no problem holding up against yours.

The Electoral College and nobody else has THAT kind of Authority.
It was made and empowered for LEGITIMATE ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES.
It won't cover FRAUD. Everything it did in the Election of 2008 would be invalidated if Odrama Queen is invalidated, same as Citizen voting for Odrama Queen which empowers the panel of the Electoral College.

You cannot make Biden fly, unless Odrama Queen is shown to be a Citizen of the USA in terms eligible to run for President.
You couldn't even get THAT passed Pelosi and Reid!

He didn't say that – he said you are a slanderer. I agree with him. You aren't honest.

Rose, I understand you wish what you were saying were true. Hell, I wish it were true. That doesn't change the fact that, no matter how many times you repeat otherwise, the Constitution simply doesn't support what you are saying. The College elected Biden as Vice President. That was independent of their election of Obama. The Constitution sets that in place. That doesn't change because you don't like that outcome.

You are wrong. INVALID is INVALID.

The ACT of ESTABLISHING that HE is INELIGIBLE in and of itself invalidates the Election. All that is required at that point is his ARREST on CHARGES of espionage and impersonation, and infiltration.

You have lost your mind if you think THAT requires IMPEACHMENT.

IMPEACHMENT is for LEGAL OFFICE HOLDERS who break the oath of office and their fiduciary Trust with the American People.

You don't stand around with him with his fingers on all the triggers while you hold IMPEACHMENT proceedings. You escort him INSTANTLY to Prison.

At least bother to put your brain in gear.

DOES NOT APPLY! THIS isn't “stuffing the ballot box ” fraud – this is ILLEGAL INELIGIBLE CANDIDATE FALSELY MISREPRESENTING HIMSELF as something he is NOT. This is espionage impersonation.

RECOUNTING VOTES isn't part of this process.

Where IS your head! Oh, we all see! How flexible you are!

Rose,

Then I'll ask you the same question I asked Mr. EMT. Where in the Constitution is the any prvion whatsoever for your claim? There is a provision for impeachment. That's it. I know you wish it were otherwise, but while we all get our own opinion, we don't get our own facts.

How do you know who his mother was?
All you know is that at some point, Stanley Anne Dunham filed a COLB. Without a doctor's signature, you have no way of knowing who the Birth Mother really was.

Not saying she ain't, but Odrama Queen has steadfastly REFUSED to prove she IS.

Rose,

You can yell, stamp your feet and insult to your heart's content. It still doesnt' make what you're saying any more accurate.

Vega,

I'll disagree with you on one point here. We'll never have the the original birth certificate because the birthers' frothing at the mouth is highly advantageous for Mr. Obama. To the extent he can keep that going and that he can lump conservative critics in with them, it's pure gold for him.

“I know some people are buying in to this, but, in America, British law does NOT supersede our own. If he was born on American soil, he is an American citizen. Period. Get over it.

Of course, I should take my own advice, and not highlight this type of tom-foolery, eh? “

Wow…
Another person who hasn't read the writings of the Founders…
The phrase is: “Nateral Born Citizen”, and refers to one who is born to a pair of USA Citizens. The reasoning behind this was “the natural affection” argument.
Of course, looking at the leaders of the major political parties, it is easy to see that being born of Citizen parents and growing up in the Culture of the United States does not necessarily produce such affect.

BUT: I have different question:
If we insist on Original Intent, how can we then “wink&nod” on Elegibility?
I *really* would like all those who laugh as accuse others of “beclowning” to answer THAT question.
BTW: using the non-word “beclowning” beclowns those who use it… ;)

Dude, I'm trying to be cool with you. Not being a natural born citizen does not make one incompetent to run this country. And it would be a fraud no one would be willing to prosecute unless there was hard proof.

Never said there was any. Just saying how much of it is mere circumstantial evidence and how of it is smoking gun.

BTW, Rose, stop yelling. As long as I've seen you here, all you do is yell. You need to get a grip. I'm posing questions because the side arguing he is not a natural born citizen seems to be grasping at straws and not definitive proof. I am willing to do my homework, but not homework looking at someone's site that already made up his mind. That's not objective.

Oh, and one more time… stop yelling. We can read you loud and clear. Especially loud.

That was not meant to embarrass you. That was meant to highlight that this may be a calculated Obama move. Grow up.

Exactly what law are you referring to? No laws have been broken, please provide us with what law you are refering to and how it was broken, whats that you cant come up with it, thats becasue it DIDNT HAPPEN, put by all means keep yelling about it.

Boy, this has been entertaining. This shows how many idiots there still are on the right, they dont understand US Code on who and who is not a natural born citizen, they have provided no proof that could even survive the rules of evidence, every court, every single one that has taken this issue up has come to the same conclusion. But the far right fringe, this is all they have left, there ideas were found to be lacking, they couldnt get their candidates elected, so this is what they try and fall back on, perhaps its time to face reality, your visioning of how to govern this country was found lacking. Now that may change and it may not, history shows us that it will and then it will swing back again to the Dems, allways has in this country. However you lost, your vision didnt cut it, nice try. Come fall of 2010 you can try again.

Sorry Hotspur, I don't embarrass that easy – this is Obama's shame, not mine!

I am 59 yrs old and I was around experts of intimidation 30 years ago who make Dim feeble attempts look like high praise of me.

I know who this shame belongs to, and I know the father of lies and intimidation.

They try to make you back off the worst on your most powerful weapons. Mockery is all they have!

Like when they try to shame Christians out of quoting Scripture because Scripture makes their demons scream with pain!

They consider the achievement of taking your VIRTUE from you the same as taking Power over you.

It's your choice whether to let them do that or whether you decide to fight for something that is worth the having.

The greater SHAME here would be to find yourself like the Germans of 1940 trying to explain to the TRIALS of 1946 why they let Nazis shame them into standing silent while they killed about 20 Million human beings with Power they took from German citizens.

Why should I be the one ashamed of not wanting to let a CLEAR usurper destroy our nation, and stand there STUPID looking afraid to say anything back to the smarmy piece of garbage, just because he sticks his nose high in the air and thinks of himself as some Emperor which he ain't.

I'd rather be stomped to pieces on the sidewalk by his purple-shirted thugs than to face my Alamo HEROES ashamed for standing silent and afraid.

I ain't goin' down easy – that is for sure.

That ain't yellin' – one word out of a sentence for punch. That is just inflection.

When I'm yellin', the whole thing is capped and I put #$#%% in there and bold it and I really YELL! And that was not yellin'.

Be a big boy!

No – it is invalid, prove he isn't a citizen, there is nothing to impeach – he ain't President to be removed – he never was, just haul him to jail and file spy type charges on him, and impose the Death Penalty. Period. Grab him before he pushes some button – period.

You ain't right – you are without credibility. Impeachment is for a legitimate office holder that messes up – not for an impersonator.

Where is there a provision for treating him as if he were REALLY the President when you just proved that he was invalid>

Does the word “invalid” have no meaning for you?

How do you “remove” him when he already AIN'T. He would NOT be President – he would be Spyman the Infiltrator. Spyman goes to jail and has a book load of charges filed on him.

What are you thinking?

And again, Rose, you can repeat the same thing as many times as you want. It still doesn't make it true. Maybe you'll convince yourself if you keep repeating it. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to deal with reality. And that is that there is nothing in the Constitution to support your argument. In fact, the founders specifically included Treason as a crime for impeachment.

And speaking of sealed, why is EVERYTHING of Obama's sealed: college transcripts, law school transcripts, law-firm billing records, Illinois Senate calendar, etc.

Really, though, as far as Illinois Senate goes, this tells you all you really need to know to see that Obama really is an alien (i.e., not a normal human being):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s

I agree with you totally, Kathy. There are lots of questions whose answers are in those sealed records that are coming up every day because of his bizarre overall behavior.

There are likely horrors in there for God-loving Constitution-supporting Americans – but each day that goes by begs the question of what is in there he is terrified of DIMS finding out about him.

At every mention of it, they prove that issues of his birth and citizenship don't bother them at all and they are prepared to “DEEM” everything “Fine”! So what is it he is hiding from the DIMS!

I doubt if the rumored stint in Moscow would discomfit them, they've been so inoculated, by now, with extra help from Clinton, Algore, and Hanoi John.

Kagan really drives the point on that you tube video home with that memo of hers supporting Partial Birth Abortion.

I alsways say that Marxists are not fit for human association.

If he is NOT a CITIZEN of the USA, you cannot charge him with TREASON.
IF by reason of NOT being a CITIZEN, he CAN NOT be President, HOW can you IMPEACH someone for NOT BEING A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT?

HELLOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! ANYONE THERE????????????????????????

Guess NOT!

Impeachment applies to LEGITIMATE Presidents, properly elected, perfectly eligible to serve. The Constitution didn't provide the specifics for how to deal with foreign agents spies and impersonators and the Kind – but we were taking care of them before we became a nation and we take care of them when spies are caught and counterfeit impostors of various sorts are caught running a scam.

They are NEVER treated as “LEGITIMATE” “until after an impeachment trial.”

The Secret Service would take such a person, one way or another, and I doubt if in such a case, though they would show up en force, they really wouldn't care if such a person preferred to not be taken alive, or thought some last irreversible action on their part, such as pushing launch buttons, might be worth it to them regardless of the consequences.

You do not “impeach” spies and imposters.

You do not try “foreign agents” for Treason.

Where oh where did you lay your poor brain down!

Go read some spy novels.

I think they made a movie I think with Cliff Robertson or someone, about a spy who became a President of the USA.

What a completely brainless idea. Impeach a FAKE!

WRONG. Natural born means born on U.S. territory. There is more than 200 years of legal precedent to support that.

WRONG. Please show me some cases.

Yup. For me, too.

Now his mother isn't a natural born citizen either?

WRONG. You can say the Founders wanted us to have a capitalist economy. But Capitalism is not a form of government.

I know the definition of words, Rose. Capitalism is not a form of government. It has nothing to do with our process, history or system of government.

He is correct, numbnutz

I know Obama has met Constitutional standard as President and I know that capitalism is not a form of government. So I am already ahead of both of you.

Bill just handed you your ass, as expected.

It's been openly disproved and mocked. Only Birthers can't face reality.

Yes, it has. You are a liar, BIRTHER.

No ANCHOR necessary, Rose. His mother was a citizen.

No papers are necessary besides his BC, which has been submitted and confirmed.

It's been done, Rose. Get over it.

Bah! Just remember that your side has the LaRouchites.

HIT THE WRONG BUTTON, VEGA – Just so you know, that “Like” count is wrong – that is the dumbest post EVER!

“IT'S DONE” is NOT some eternal cornerstone of Justice! IT is NOT the BENCHMARK for the Constitutionality of something.

IT AIN'T ACCEPTED! It is NOT TOLERATED. IT AIN'T GONNA BE SWALLOWED. IT AIN'T GONNA SIT!

If anyone is gonna EAT it, it will be the DIM PARTY at their own FUNERAL.

PRECEDENT isn't the Hallmark of the RATIFIED CONSTITUTION.
The Dims and their Stalinist Agenda have been SEEMINGLY getting away with cold-blooded murder of American Citizens, Liberties, and the Constitution, and aiming now for the jugular veins of the NATION – but it ain't gonna END that way.

The greater the perfidy, the greater the defeat of this evil, when it goes down.

And GO DOWN, IT WILL! Just like GOLIATH and all 4 of his brothers did – the Dim Party and their Stalinist Marxism will go down.

And the price they pay the Piper is more than they CAN pay, much less are willing.

But the Piper of History doesn't care if you WANT TO.

HARVEST IS COMING – the First Law of the EARTH. Each Seed will reproduce after its own kind – YOUR REWARD WILL BE OF THE STUFF YOU SOWED. Not spread over the earth, but hastening to overtake THE SOWER PERSONALLY and OVERWHELM HIM ABUNDANTLY with what HE did HIMSELF PERSONALLY to the LEAST OF THESE.

This garbage out of the White House will not stand.

You better turn around and look at the Handwriting on the Wall.

HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED AND IS NO LONGER ALL THAT IS REQUIRED. It will take ALL his documents to prove his Citizenship at this late date and failure to do so, failure to confirm him as an American citizens will take the entire Dim party and all progress it made since 2006 DOWN WITH IT.

And leave a lot more EDUCATED Constitutionalists in its wake to make sure your Socialist Marxist Agenda NEVER gets the foothold it requires, EVER again.

You were never able to get rid of enough historical documentation of your own footprints and when that begins to be unfolded and displayed and taught to American Citizens, you will be SEEN FOR the worse than LEPERS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN for 150 years in America, around ANY human Association.

You people forgot, when Conservatives awake, that ain't the same as awakening selfish Malignant Narcissistic trash like Socialists.

It ain't the same. Even the kids are already backfiring on all that Marxist trash in their schools.

It is so over and you don't even know. It is so over! And buddy, when it is over, it is OVER!

Look at Tipper. Look at Elin NO LONGER WOODS!

And when you make the Bread and Butter stand up and stomp you into the ground, buddy, you will know you have been stomped!

HTML generated IMITATION was never PROPERLY AND OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED! Old politician violated her oath of office to SPEAK of it – SHE said she didn't have HIS AUTHORIZATION to speak of it. Right there she FAILS CREDIBILITY as any Judge would HAVE to properly rule to a Jury.

Cursor right click showed what he put up was HTML-generated – and coipies after that were scanned from a print-out of the HTML-generated imitation.

His lack of credibility is now piggy-backed on your own already monumental lack of credibility. That is why the entire Dim Party will now go down WITH him.

No, you forgot all those nasty little courtcases DISMISSED because they all said the AMERICAN CITIZENS INCLUDING MILITARY PERSONNEL “HAD NO STANDING” WITH THE COURT!
Meanwhile, he paid up to $2Mill to ask those cases be dismissed for legal fees and lawyers and filing fees.

HE proves every time a case is DISMISSED for “LACK OF STANDING” that he has NOT authenticated himself AT ALL!

Now all he has is a HTML-generated image HE SAYS HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH UPLOADING TO HIS SITE that STAFF DID THAT ON THEIR OWN. On the other side is a mounting and growing avalanche of FACTS AND QUESTIONS only fueled up the worse BY HIS OWN UNSEEMLY BEHAVIOR.

Especially his rabid response to Arizona's open border warfare against MILITIA and other drug cartels invading across the border – walking trains of illegal aliens with 80lb. backpacks of drugs on their backs as they march heel-to-toe inland.

And the growing list of states who won't let him on the ballot in 2012 without DUE LEGITIMATE FORENSIC CONFIRMATION of his Citizenship!

I doubt you are even aware how many states he is INELIGIBLE to get on their ballots again.

All he has proven is how far he is willing to stick YOUR neck on the line for HIS career, for the sake of MARXIST GOALS you hold in common for he DESTRUCTION of this nation.

And your rabid defense of him WITHOUT FACTS to back your play shows YOUR rabid affection for those Marxist Goals to Destroy America totally, and SOON!

Poisoned Tree is a valid part of the prosecution of ANY FRAUD! POISONED TREE MEANS YOU DO NOT GET TO PROFIT BY FRAUD AND CRIMINAL ACTIVITY!

It's OUT! Biden, Cabinet, Sotomayer, all the bills and executive orders he signed, Eric Holder and his mandate that Black on White crime will NOT be prosecuted…

ALL GONE! REPARATIONS OWED.

The Electoral College acted in the case of an INVALID TICKET where FRAUD has been deliberately perpetuated. The Constitution says they had an obligation to inform themselves BETTER THAN THE COMMON VOTERS, yet THEY didn't BOTHER to validate his Citizenship although the DEEP TALK was already out there about it.

They specifically said it was not their job. Like every other Govt entity who is NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYING PARTY FAVORITISM when they do their JOBS!

All they did is INVALID. You cannot get around that by citing the Constitution, when THEY didn't follow Constitutional Procedure demanding that the Candidate BE ELIGIBLE.

If someone impersonated the Bank President and walked out the door with $20 Trillion, is that what you would say? “IT WAS ACCOMPLISHED AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE NO RECOURSE?????”

SO LOL!

Hold with that, when enough people take a hard look at the evidence against Odrama Queen, and guess what – you will have Civil War OR a TWO WAY STREET!
And you won't like EITHER of those solutions.

Because you might remember the advice of one man to the Sanhedrin regarding FAKERS who claimed falsely to be the Messiah.
Leave them alone and they will fall apart under their own weight – by pressure from the people who see through it.
But when Administration attempts to squash something because they see it as adverse to their own power structure, if it is the REAL thing, the attempt to oppress it will cause it to FLOURISH.

Historically, it is a FACT the Sanhedrin disbanded within 70 yrs of the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Well, in the last few weeks, I've heard a lot of Conservative Talk Show Hosts and others apologize to “Birthers” because they saw that they are NOT “RON PAULITES”, or that type, and they always have facts to reference even if they cannot quote them verbatim themselves.

They can show you that FACTS are driving an INFORMED LIST OF QUESTIONS they DEMAND to be answered and HAVE A LEGITIMATE RIGHT to have answered.

The movement isn't dying out with all the Dim and Moderate Pressure against it, it is growing along with the list of VALID QUESTIONS they want answers to.

It's precious to see some Dim Voters begin to say, oh, I see why you want THAT QUESTION ANSWERED! If you ever find out the answer, please let me know.

Dims set a PRECEDENT about that with NIXON! When that precedent is dragged out and examined in cold history – it really falls apart worse now than then. Especially after Clinton.

You hold up PRECEDENT all the time – EXCEPT WHEN IT BACKFIRES.

Pelosi refused to examine the facts – she's poisoned from eating the fruit of the poisoned tree. Looks like Special Election under CARETAKERS, to me!

Prolly back to State Governors.

When it isn't specifically listed in the Constitution, it goes back to the States and the VOTERS – Amendment 10.
I guarantee you, you won't get silly sappy IMPRUDENT measures past this crowd the way you did with Nixon and Clinton.

In LSD intake, I am sure you are.

Even Bill ought to recognize that when YOU agree with him, something is Devilishly WRONG. Since you never have any credibility – maybe 3 -6 times in many years – your approbation should prove disconcerting enough to Bill for him to decide to take time out and pray heartily to the Lord, as Thomas Jefferson did. Even though and in spite of the fact that YOU think Jefferson did not!

“The best indication of error which my experience has tested is the approbation of [those favoring a consolidated government]. Their conclusions necessarily follow the false bias of their principles.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1811. (*) ME 13:51

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1812. ME 13:162

So you don't read the Founding Fathers.

I'm SHOCKED! I tell you! THAT is what it is! I am SHOCK-EDD-DD to find that D-VEGA doesn't read the Founding Fathers from their own WORDS.

Snagglepus and Claude Raines as Captain Renault both heartily concur.

Go back to school, Basement Bob.

Samuel Adams: Were the talents and virtues which heaven has bestowed on men given merely to make them more obedient drudges, to be sacrificed to the follies and ambition of a few? Or, were not the noble gifts so equally dispensed with a divine purpose and law, that they should as nearly as possible be equally exerted, and the blessings of Providence be equally enjoyed by all?

Samuel Adams: Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.

“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison

NOT FOUNDERS QUOTES:

Civil Servants' Year Book: When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed…

Milton Friedman: Freedom in economic arrangements is itself a component of freedom broadly understood, so economic freedom is an end in itself … Economic freedom is also an indispensable means toward the achievement of political freedom.

Nikita Khrushchev: We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.

Karl Marx: My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.

Robert Nozick: The socialist society would have to forbid capitalist acts between consenting adults.
[The Dims just signed into law a bill that includes that consenting private citizens cannot sell a home between hem without govt oversight and an inspection that includes modern insulation and energy efficiency codes, and banning private mortgages between them unless one get a license to hold a mortgage like a commercial enterprise.]

Adam Smith: Every man, as long as he does not violate the laws of justice, is left perfectly free to pursue his own interest his own way [by the US Constitution], and to bring both his industry and capital into competition with those of any other man or order of men.

You MALIGN your own HEROES!

Nikita Khrushchev: We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.

Karl Marx: My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.

His father was not a citizen of the USA and since they were married and she was under age regarding the clause of Citizenship, OUR laws say that made Odrama Queen a British Citizen. Then when he was ADOPTED by Mr. Soetero. didn't he in fact become an Indonesian Citizen which DISALLOWED DUAL CITIZENSHIP with anyone AT THAT TIME, most of all Americans, who were free to be killed on the spot by any Indonesian at all?

Just what IS his REAL name???

Barry Baraq Mohammad Hussein Dunham Sottero Obama Jr ” Ahrcanum

She prolly was when SHE was younger, she seems to have surrendered that in her marriage to Mr. Soetero AT LEAST!

She prolly had no trouble getting it BACK, if she BOTHERED… We don't know these things, do we. You say you do, but you are only supposing what is already COMFORTABLE to you.

I dare say that comfort level for you would instantly change if Odrama Queen suffered an instant Conversion Experience and became REAL Christian and GOP at the same time!

Barry Baraq Mohammad Hussein Dunham Sottero Obama Jr ” Ahrcanum

WRONG AND CONTRARY TO LAWS AND the 14th AMENDMENT!

Not as bad a joke as the Dim Party affiliation with Socialism -in AMERICA!

What did you expect your demoralization and “anything for the Socialistic Cause” to yield to you.

You refused to have him Authenticated and now you object to the Natural Consequences of being ridiculed for being PAWNED by foreign powers that will treat you like TRAITORS not to be trusted by THEM, EITHER?
The WORLD is laughing at you – not just HALF of America.

YOU show cases. YOU are wrong.

Alexander Hamilton: No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy (agent) is greater than his principal; that the servant is above the master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people; that men, acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid. It is not to be supposed that the Constitution could intend to enable the representatives of the people to substitute their will to that of their constituents. A Constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by judges as fundamental law. If there should happen to be a irreconcilable variance between the two, the Constitution is to be preferred to the statute.

John Locke: … whenever the Legislators endeavour to take away, and destroy the Property of the People, or to reduce them to Slavery under Arbitrary Power, they put themselves into a state of War with the People, who are thereupon absolved from any farther Obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence. … [Power then] devolves to the People, who have a Right to resume their original Liberty, and, by the Establishment of a new Legislative (such as they shall think fit) provide for their own Safety and Security, which is the end for which they are in Society.

Wrong again, Basement Bob,

14th Amendment says it was not so from the beginning, and IT did NOT make it so from that DATE FORWARD.

Only in your deluded fantasies.
If he had there would be zero controversy moron.
Please by all means prove me wrong and let me know what official obamao gave his original BC to.
Until then have have a seat in the back of the short bus where you belong and wear your helmet.

Lies are easy to disprove, I disprove your fabrications all the time.
Your turn, prove me wrong or shut up.

Cite your proof or shut up.

Cant you chuckle heads get on the same page?
Your komrad is claiming that he did, you say he hasnt.
All your excuses are great for the cartoons and pathetic for America.

Mr. EMT/Rose,

Let me see if I can make this clear to you guys. The position you're advancing is ridiculous. The public does not take it seriously. Birtherism is a source of ridicule for the left and embarrassment for the right. You have yet to come up with any “evidence” that elicits more than an eye roll from anyone other than those in your closed conspiracy theory loop. In turn, I have given you proof upon proof upon proof that your particular little hypothetical wouldn't play out as you claim. However, I no sooner show you that your claims don't hold, than you remake the same claim that I have just disproven. At this point, I'm done trying to reason with you. I don't go to the asylum to argue with lunatics and I don't go to pre-kindergarteners to try to argue political theory. Have at trying to argue whatever cockamamie rubbish you feel you need to. I'll view your comments as nothing more than spam and scroll-bait. And hope, for the sake of conservatism's success, that you are appropriately marginalized.

What freak fantasy are you living in? You have never offered a shred of proof in any form that I have noticed. However, if you have done so then you have my apologies and by all means point it out to me?
No one has other than an announcement in a paper.
That is ALL.
You can not even prove that obamao has recieved any sort of degree from a university or college.