Dissent is Patriotic. paraphrased from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Bush isn’t in office. The Patriot Act, Liberals called unpatriotic, Halliburton, Dick Cheney. Just getting all the liberal excuses out in the open.

The Democratic Party, during the Bush years, was effectively to Al Quaida what Sinn Fein was to the IRA.

Remember when “dissent wss the highest form of patriotism?”

When the Democrats calculated that opposing the war and George W. Bush in the most vile ways possible was just their ticket to Temper Tantrum Their Way to Power?

Frack Off, Brennen. You tool.

Guess the racism thing is losing its steam.

Then Senator Clinton, as Nixon paraphrased, said the same thing. Now who are you to lecture Nixon again?

whats_up,

Republicans SUPPORT the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are not out calling Obama a war monger for continuing & expanding them. They’re not calling Obama a “war criminal” for killing Taliban with drones. They’re not suggesting he’s expanding the war in Afghanistan to help Haliburton or for the Opium or whatever.

They DO have quite reasonable objections to giving terrorists – foreign illegal combatants – Miranda rights.

NOTHING Brenner whines about begins to compare to the active aid and comfort the Democrats gave Al Quaida during the Bush years.

Did this Brennan cockholster leave out the part about OBL agreeing with Obama on “global warming?”

Posted by CoolCzech
2010-02-09 10:34:18

CC,

What utter crap, conservatives and republicans have called him a Muslim sympathizer, they have stated that he wants to turn this country over to Muslims, they have stated that Obama wants to destroy them. That he is leading them to slaughter. Please spare us your drivel that the right is behaving nicely with this.

Please spare us your drivel that the right is behaving nicely with this.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-09 11:18:46

Right, because the Left acted SOOOOOO maturely druing the Bush Administration. Tell me, crthns, how many mock impeachment trials have the Republicans held for Obama? How many Republicans have gone overseas and declared Obama a liar and a terrorists and a war criminal?

It was Obama that said we were not a Christian nation and talked about his Muslim Faith. It is Obama that is gutting our intelligence and military.

Bush tried to protect us from Terrorism and the Left had to make up lies to demonize him. The Right need only to use Obam’s actual words and deeds to criticize him and the Left has a stroke.

It seems I was right, crthns. Double standards are the only standards you have!

“Please spare us your drivel that the right is behaving nicely with this.”

Yeah we’re way out of line. I guess we should just go along when Obama empassionately defends the hijab overseas, gives terrorists lifetime vacations in Bermuda, attacks and alienates Israel, does everything but applaud in approval as the mullahs rape and murder protesters in Iran, and his Department of Homeland Security declares anybody who criticizes him to be a right-wing extrtemist.

“Thanks Mike for making my point.”

Ha. If that’s what you think, feel free to repeat anything I’ve said. You won’t.

conservatives and republicans have called him a Muslim sympathizer, they have stated that he wants to turn this country over to Muslims, they have stated that Obama wants to destroy them.

As always, let’s have some direct quotes on that.

Did you have this concern with the hundreds of terrorists that Bush put on trial through the criminal court system.

Actually, that’s not true. All terrorists went through a military tribunal.

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-09 13:00:06

Actually no they didnt, according to the Bush administration 319 terrorists were convicted in civlian courts. In their FY 2009 budget request you find this gem from the Dept of Justice:

Since 2001, the Department has increased its capacity to investigate terrorism and has identified, disrupted, and dismantled terrorist cells operating in the United States. These efforts have resulted in the securing of 319 convictions or guilty pleas in terrorism or terrorism-related cases arising from investigations conducted primarily after September 11, 2001, and zero terrorist attacks on American soil by foreign nationals from 2003 through 2007.

319, care to dispute that King?

Did you have this concern with the hundreds of terrorists that Bush put on trial through the criminal court system. A system that actually gives much harsher sentences than the military tribunal system did in its three cases. Or did this concern just arise when a Liberal entered the White House?
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-09 11:20:58

Hundreds?

Methinks you seriously exagerate – do you have a source for that?

Yes, it’s true a couple of high-visibility terrorist cases were early on treated like criminal cases. Those were mistakes – excusable under the circumstances, because Congress had not yet established the military tribunal system to handle them.

There is NO excuse today for repeating those mistakes.

Posted by D-Vega
2010-02-09 14:03:09

There’s a difference between unreasonable fear and unreasonably sticking your hand in the fire, D-Vega. Obama doesn’t seem to grasp that.

Posted by whats_up
2010-02-09 14:04:59

How many of those were US citizens in the US, as opposed to people picked up on the battlefield, like KSM?

There’s a difference between unreasonable fear and unreasonably sticking your hand in the fire, D-Vega. Obama doesn’t seem to grasp that.

Blah. If anything, Obama has stepped up attacks on enemies of the US, rather than pontificating about how we need to be in utter fear 24/7.

Being skirred doesn’t do anything. It’s only a powerful emotion that makes you susceptible to manipulation, by those who want to be back in power, and our enemies.

The GOP, and their subordinates, do this very well. From Obama being a secret Muslim/Marxist/Alien, to Muslims will be storming our shores like in Red Dawn because Obama gave a speech in Egypt.

It’s sad conservatives resort to this, but its much sadder that people still fucking fall for it.

The GOP needs to make people think we are under an increased threat of attack in order to reap the political dividends. It worked for several years after 9/11.
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 14:03:09

That’s funny… I thought it were Obama Administration officials that just told Congress there is now a virtual certainty of – what, an imaginary – Al Quaida attack upon the American homeland?

You don’t think Obama’s people actually work for the evil Booosh, do you?

But of course, Bush and Republicans had it all wrong all along about terrorism.

Which, of course, is why Obama:

1. Has stuck to Bush’s Iraq gameplan.

2. Actually added to Bush’s Afghan gameplan.

3. Has not – and probably, will not ever – closed Gitmo.

4. Is buckling on his idiotic decision to hold a political showtrial – complete with a predetermined outcome & vows not to release KSM even if he IS found innocent (what a GREAT legal precedent, huh, guys!) – in New York City. In fact, I’ll wager there never will be ANY criminal trial for KSM.

See, what’s happening is – Obama keeps running face first into that great invisible barrier known to non-moonbats as REALITY.

JUST like he did on healthcare. JUST like he will on Cap & Trade.

But why bother laying out what a crappy job our Spock-like President has done on Terror, when we can let none other than rightwing rag (not!) USA Today do it (from their recent editorial):

– CIA Director Leon Panetta and other top officials agreed last week that an attack by al-Qaeda is likely in the next three to six months. The warning is bound to frighten the public, with no obvious benefit beyond the ability to say “I told you so.”
– Top administration officials revealed last week that bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was again cooperating with authorities. Great. But the news pretty much negates earlier claims that no intelligence was lost when Abdulmutallab was prematurely read his rights.
– In Senate testimony, National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair had a “Duh!” moment as he hit his forehead and acknowledged that authorities fumbled the initial questioning of Abdulmutallab by failing to call in the high-value interrogation group, which was created to question terrorism suspects. Refreshingly candid, yes, but not a statement that inspires confidence. Especially when the same day, at another Senate hearing, FBI Director Robert Mueller testified that the high-value unit was still in its “formation stages” and that “there was no time” to get it to Detroit.
All of this follows the string of blunders that allowed Abdulmutallab to carry explosives onto a U.S.- bound plane in the first place. The chaos that followed his arrest now looks just as bad.
***********************

Obama Administration = Keystone Kops on Crack.

I didn’t deny anything, Stan.

My words exactly were “I never thought I’d see you guys anxiously awaiting an attack so you could blame Obama.”

That started the moment he was elected, and the same holds true today.

Yeah we’re way out of line. I guess we should just go along when Obama empassionately defends the hijab overseas, gives terrorists lifetime vacations in Bermuda, attacks and alienates Israel, does everything but applaud in approval as the mullahs rape and murder protesters in Iran, and his Department of Homeland Security declares anybody who criticizes him to be a right-wing extrtemist.

Mike, you are reaching upper-tier levels of bullshit with that one.

I don’t know what happened to you, dude.

That’s exactly the type of AlQaeda-aligned claptrap. Thanks for proving everything the author said.

I didn’t expect it to be you, who has always been pretty reasonable. But here you are breaching into GlennBeck-hysteria territory. I feel bad for you.

My words exactly were “I never thought I’d see you guys anxiously awaiting an attack so you could blame Obama.”

That started the moment he was elected, and the same holds true today.
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 15:04:29

So you repeat the lie, you fucking treasonous bastard!

Die screaming!

So you repeat the lie, you fucking treasonous bastard!

Die screaming!

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-09 15:16:00

Stan,

There is no lie involved, you cant wait for another attack so you can blame libs, you are foaming at the mouth for it. Why you would want America attacked just so you could play politics is beyond me, that is not what someone who loved America would wish for.

How am I treasonous? I am not the one anxiously awaiting an attack so I can reap political benefits, Stan.

Now calm down.
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 15:23:43

BULLSHIT!

You said that in response to MightySamuri and Cavilier saying they had been anticipating another attack since 9/11! You claimed “anticipate” meant the same as “hope” and then lyingly added Obama in for good measure.

No Conservative is hoping for an attack FOR ANY REASON. So shove that lie down your fucking throat and choke to death on it, you bastard!

that is not what someone who loved America would wish for.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-09 15:25:24

Since you hate America, well, you do the math.

LMAO, thats good Stan, perhaps you can provide us the quote of “someone” in the Obama administration wishing for an attack?
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-09 16:09:31

You mean, to match the quotes you posted from me wishing for another attack so I can blame Obama?

Look at the Panetta quote for your answer. For the other, either provide proof I ever said that or apologize!

So the head of the CIA telling us that another attack will happen means he is wishing for it, gotcha Stan. So now everytime a conservative tells us that another attack is going to happen we can say that he is wishing for it, thanks for that logic Stan.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-09 16:27:50

Well it was good enough logic for Vega, so it must be good enough for you!

Explain how any of it is innacurate.

The word “inaccurate”, first of all.

Did Obama not defend the hijab in his Egypt speech?

There’s nothing wrong with the hijab. Here you are correct. I don’t know about “empassionately”, but there’s nothing wrong with wearing a hijab. I don’t know why that would upset you so.

There is something wrong with being forced to wear a hijab.

Has he not denounced Israel for building houses while their enemies bomb and launch rockets indiscriminately into their cities?

He has not attacked nor alienated Israel, which is what you have said. Don’t try to lighten it now. He hasn’t taken ANY position on the Izzy/Pal problem that previous Presidents haven’t.

So here you are full of shit.

Has he not given Gitmo detainees free lifetime tropical vacations?

Uh, first you said “terrorists”, which none of those men were convicted of being, otherwise they would still be in lockup.

Maybe not total bullshit, but you are definitely stinking a little here.

Has he done anything to denounce or punish the mullahs?

First of all, he has denounced them, so automatically you are full of crap here.

Secondly, what you said was “does everything but applaud in approval as the mullahs rape and murder protesters in Iran”, which pushes you to new bullshit heights.

Has he redacted or apologized for the outrageous DHS report on “right-wing extremism”?

First of all, he has no need to, because there was nothing to redact or apologize for.

Secondly, what you said was “his Department of Homeland Security declares anybody who criticizes him to be a right-wing extrtemist”, which is not true.

So like I said, this is the kind of nonsense that unnecessarily promotes fear of muslim terrorist attacks, when it’s the goal of Al Qaeda to instill as much fear into us as possible.

You do the math.

Already happened, asshole. D-Vega told us that anticipating another attack since 9/11 means we are hoping Americans are attacked and killed so we can blame Obama.

No, I didn’t. I said the right is anxiously awaiting an attack so they can blame Obama.

What? That’s not controversial enough for you?

sabiticus, I believe (or someone who started with an “S”) is the one who made the statement about anticipating was one thing, and hoping is another. I then said hoping and anticipating CAN be the same thing. And it can.

No, it can’t. And ample proof was given to you. It was your dumb ass that continued with the anticipating is the same as hoping. Then you added Obama in there for good measure, even though the entire discussion up to that point was how we had been anticip[ating SINCE 9/11!

More fucking lies from you!

Your colleagues’ behavior betrays you. It keeps coming up again and again from numerous people

Then prove it or shut the fuck up! If it keeps coming up, it should be easy!

Seems like you are upset again here. I wonder what would make you so upset?
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 16:41:19

Pathetic, Vega. Absolutelty pathetic. Projection at it’s finest. You claim I want American attacked so I can blame Obama. Then prove it you bastard.

I don’t allow people I like to lie about me in public. Why would I let an America-Hating piece of shit like you do it?

Vega and whats_up are using circular arguments. whats_up is a liar, and a sockpuppet. Vega is a nutless POS. Stan, you need to quit arguing with them. You can’t win a argument with a koolaid swilling troll.

Really, whats_up has told so many lies even he can’t keep track of them.

I don’t know why you would be so upset about it, Stan.

People on the right, from day one, have said anything from Obama was the Manchurian Muslim Candidate, to Obama was going to cut & run from Iraq and bring the badguys to our shores, to D.C. and N.Y. could expect a mushroom cloud any day now.

That last one, the mushroom cloud reference, was in that very same thread where I said what I said.

Now, that was in Obama’s first fucking week!

Many times on this site, I have personally been told something to the affect “Wait until your family is killed in the next attack on NY and we’ll see what you say.”

So please spare me your guilt-outrage over your own side playing to people’s fears for political purposes. Their fundraisers would like nothing more than the ability to play off an attack in order to raise money from scared people.

Fuck them. I’m calling them out every single time. I’m not going to fall for some pussy-right-wing mind tricks. And fuck you if you can’t face the truth. Your potty-mouth doesn’t do squat either.

I didn’t say you, Stan. And I have maintained that throughout your anger over it.

If you were on this side, and you observed the behavior of your colleages, and you honsetly look at the security policies of Obama (which have not changed all that much from Bush, if anything they have been escalated), I don’t see how you can come to any other conclusion.

And I said that in the first week.

The CIA Director is different than some random politician or politically-motivated pundit, Stan.

LOL

Let me get this straight.

A conservative politician and/or pundit says “I anticipate another terrorist attack on American soil in the near future” and he’s “hoping” for an attack.

The CIA says the exact same thing and suddenly it’s “different”.

How does that work exactly?

People on the right, from day one, have said anything from Obama was the Manchurian Muslim Candidate, to Obama was going to cut & run from Iraq and bring the badguys to our shores, to D.C. and N.Y. could expect a mushroom cloud any day now.

As opposed to the left, which from day one accused George Bush of stripping black people of the right to vote, of wanting to invade the entire world, and claiming he would cancel free elections, throw his political opponents into camps, and declare himself Diktator of Amerika any day now.

How’s that log in your eye, by the way?

A conservative politician and/or pundit says “I anticipate another terrorist attack on American soil in the near future” and he’s “hoping” for an attack.

You need to get it straight, because that’s not what I said.

As opposed to the left, which from day one accused George Bush of stripping black people of the right to vote, of wanting to invade the entire world, and claiming he would cancel free elections, throw his political opponents into camps, and declare himself Diktator of Amerika any day now. How’s that log in your eye, by the way?

So you must be saying either that it is appropriate or isn’t. Which is it? Because we’ve already had a rumor about “FEMA camps” and “Obama is becoming a dictator”.

So is it okay or not? Let me know.

You can really sense the frustration, fear, and desperation in the left lately, can’t you? They seem bitter and frightened.

How many examples you want?
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 17:37:44

How about ONE.

It is the right who is bitter and frightened. Because that’s the only way that can be unified. Through fear and bitterness.
Posted by D-Vega 2010-02-09 17:39:38

This could be the most serious case of projection EVER.

No, CT. It is the right who is bitter and frightened. Because that’s the only way that can be unified. Through fear and bitterness. Time-tested fact again and again.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-02-09 17:39:38

Oh look more projection from DV, ROFLMAO. You’re so fucking gone you can’t even make up a good lie!!

You tell me D-Vega. Which is it?

You certainly didn’t have much of a problem with it when Bush was in office. But now that Obama is in office, here you are complaining about it.

Wassamatta D-Vega? Shoe not so comfortable on the other foot?
Posted by mightysamurai
2010-02-09 19:17:27

Vega, it is okay, they prove that by their actions. Look at how they cant even answer the question, they pretend to have priniciples but when it comes time to exhibit them they run and hide. You see it in their politicians as well Sanford was a prime example. Bennet and his book on “values” another. When the shit hits the fan their principles go out the window.

When the shit hits the fan their principles go out the window.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-09 19:34:47

Oh look projection, from king of projection!!!

Think about WHAT YOU SAID at the time. Don’t worry about me, I remain consistent.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-02-09 21:02:41

Consistently wrong?! Yeah I’d buy that. Or just consistently full of shit?

Sorry, Stan. I thought I had posted this, maybe it disappeared.

Michael Scheuer on Glenn Beck, 7/09:
The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it’s going to take a grass-roots, bottom-up pressure. Because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. It’s an absurd situation again. Only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.
—

Oh, pardon. Perhaps this is the “projection”-projection part of the party?

Pity.

Michael Scheuer on Glenn Beck, 7/09

If that’s supposed to be your great example of a Conservative saying he hopes for another terrorist attack, you fail again. He is neither a Conservative nor a well-known pundit. He’s a disgruntled former CIA employee.

Wow, Mike, you put in a lot of effort for one little quote. I guess that’s the same as attacking and alienating Israel.

And attempts to scare people is not a debating technique. It’s a retreating one.

He also didn’t say he hoped for an attack, just that he feared that’s what it would take to wake people up again. Those were the days most (not all) conservatives thought the American people had tossed them aside and tilted left. I knew better, but it takes time for the truth to come out.

In any case, no conservative anywhere hoped someone would set off a nuke or that there’d be another terrorist attack anywhere. We might think that’s what it will take to get the ball rolling again, and recognized that if this happened it would wake people up to what a bunch of PC bozos are in office now, but nobody wants that. Despite Vega’s pathetic lies to the contrary.

but nobody wants that. Despite Vega’s pathetic lies to the contrary.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2010-02-09 22:56:35

What crap, that is what Scheur said, he said the only hope that America had was OBL detonating another bomb. He stated that with pride.

Posted by whats_up
2010-02-10 01:00:08

Posted by CavalierX
2010-02-10 07:04:44

Thanks Cav, WU has been P3WNED!!!

WU you can kiss every conservatives ass here, starting with STAN.

Vega, I have got to say that that was the most PATHETIC attempt to prove a point I have ever seen on this board. And in the company of whats_up and nonesuch and wino, that is quite an accomplishment.

You claimed that Conservatives have been hoping for an attack so that they could blame Obama for it. You claimed the Right did it a lot and we did it here on this board. You claimed to have lots of proof, even smirkingly asking “how many do you want”.

And after all that pissing and moaning, you come up with some nobody that is not even a Conservative that did not even say what you claimed. Brilliant!

Your apology is officially accepted, Vega.

He never said ‘hope’, crthns. Your lies are getting more boring my the minute!

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-10 09:38:50

We know what he meant, after all we have the transcript from the Beck show, you know what he meant as well Stan, and you agree with him, I dont know why you hate America so much but perhaps its time for you to leave this country that you hate.

We know what he meant, after all we have the transcript from the Beck show, you know what he meant as well Stan, and you agree with him, I dont know why you hate America so much but perhaps its time for you to leave this country that you hate.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-10 10:50:24

So now you’re a fucking mind reader? Get over yourself, what-a-tard, you and Vega have lost, MISERABLY. All else on the subject from either of you is dithtering.

Kindly go make up more lies in another thread, you’re done as toast here.