When the Pope agrees with Liberals on a topic (war, torture, death penalty, etc.), then he is an esteemed world and religions leader that speaks for many and carries much weight.

When the Pope disagrees with Liberals on a topic (birth control, homosexuality, etc.), then he is a religious fool trying to foist his narrow view on people.

If it makes anyone feel any better, Liberals treat the SCOTUS the same way!

I see they failed to mention that if all of Sub-Saharan Africa followed the Pope’s teachings on sex, the AIDS epidemic would be virtually non-existent.

Popes have been criticized, both within and from outside the Church since the very beginning of the Church as a human institution. Is there something about Benedict that immunizes him from criticism? If – for example – a Presbyterian, whose denomination disagrees with Roman Catholic doctrine on some important levels, criticizes Benedict for something the Presbyterian thinks is wrong, or unwise or foolish, does that Presbyterian suddenly become a “hater of Christianity”?

Liberals may be wrong about lots of things – most things actually – but the notion that liberals are – per se- haters of Christianity, is getting old and tiresome and never had any reality to it anyway.

And, Mr Hawkins, instead of hauling out that tired old dog, why not deal with what Harry Knox actually said? is Benedict wrong? Is the Church’s opposition to the use of condoms correct as a matter of doctrine? Does that opposition, as a matter of public health, lead to the unnecessary infection or death by AIDS of real people? Bear in mind that the Church had no such position until the 20th Century, even though birth control has been practiced in various forms for most of recorded human history ? Was there some divine revalation revealed to the Pope that the rest of us missed out on?

Liberals may be wrong about lots of things – most things actually – but the notion that liberals are – per se- haters of Christianity, is getting old and tiresome and never had any reality to it anyway.

Posted by RBC47 2010-02-04 13:52:41

This is but one of many reasons why Liberals are corrected called hater-of-Christianity, RBC.

“Does that opposition, as a matter of public health, lead to the unnecessary infection or death by AIDS of real people?”

As I explained above, if everybody listened to the Pope regarding sexual practices about 85% of all AIDS infections would be prevented (and more than that since less people would get infected through drug use and medical procedures if it wasn’t being spread by sex).

The question you should be asking is how liberals can live with themselves as people die of AIDS while they advocate “solutions” they know will lead to more infection and death while attacking the one way that would nearly eliminate any spread of the disease?

Stan – that was incomprehensible – what are you trying to say?

More to the point, if Liberals are “haters-of-Christianity”, why are so many of them members of Christian churches? How do they square their ostensible belief in christianity with their political stance as liberals?

How do they square their ostensible belief in christianity with their political stance as liberals?
Posted by RBC47 2010-02-04 14:43:42

Liberals support homosexuality, the silencing of Christianity in public, and abortion. People can claim to be Christians and belong to a ‘Christian’ church, but that does not make them Christians.

“By their fruits you will know them.”

how liberals can live with themselves as people die of AIDS while they advocate “solutions” they know will lead to more infection and death while attacking the one way that would nearly eliminate any spread of the disease?
Posted by Mike_M
2010-02-04 14:18:27

There is no “one way” that will nearly elimate the spread of AIDS.

Liberals support homosexuality, the silencing of Christianity in public, and abortion. People can claim to be Christians and belong to a ‘Christian’ church, but that does not make them Christians.

“By their fruits you will know them.”
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-04 14:47:10

Liberals don’t support the silencing of Christianity in public. Homosexuality and abortion are sexual matters – don’t muddy the waters.

More to the point, if Liberals are “haters-of-Christianity”, why are so many of them members of Christian churches?

That means nothing. Anybody can attend a church, it takes more effort to put the beliefs into practice. Michael Moore can attend a Jenny Craig seminar but that alone won’t make him skinny.

How do they square their ostensible belief in christianity with their political stance as liberals?
Posted by RBC47
2010-02-04 14:43:42

Name a Christian belief that they practice and cite the Biblical reference that supports it. Be careful if you’re going to bring homosexuality and marriage into this issue because there are references that condemn homosexuality.

Homosexuality and abortion are sexual matters

No. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, like being a vegatarian, or playing golf.
Abortion is murder.

Big difference there, my gay friend.

Ah – so one can say they are a Christian and attend a Christian church and even live their life in accordance with their faith, but if they do not agree with your form of Christianity, they are not really a Christian at all. You think Martin Luther would have agreed with that? How about the guys who divided the Church into the Roman Catholics and the Orthodox Christians? Stan – you are a religious bigot.

And Mike_M – I’m sorry, but the “sexual teachings” of an 80-something celibate man, even if enthusiastically supported by lots of other celibate (with women anyway) ordained self-proclaimed experts on religious doctrine do not impress me. The Pope and the Roman Catholic heirarchy have a great deal of credibility on a great many things – but sex is not one of them. Which may be why the Church’s teachings on birth control are so widely ignored by Roman Catholics

Ah – so one can say they are a Christian and attend a Christian church and even live their life in accordance with their faith, but if they do not agree with your form of Christianity, they are not really a Christian at all.

Actually, I think the “rule” is they have to sort of agree with what’s in the Bible, especially the things that Jesus fellow said.

Ah – so one can say they are a Christian and attend a Christian church and even live their life in accordance with their faith, but if they do not agree with your form of Christianity, they are not really a Christian at all.

IF you can produce a book, chapter and verse endorsing abortion that quotes Christ, Nixon will be impressed.

Stan – you are a religious bigot.

Posted by RBC47 2010-02-04 15:24:58

Very tolerant and understanding of you, RBC. You took something I never said and argued against it.

BRAVO.

You took something I never said and argued against it.

He’s obviously following the Obama playbook.

There is no “one way” that will nearly elimate the spread of AIDS.
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-02-04 14:47:17

abstinence, and sex in a marriage between a man and woman who are both HIV free are 100% effective in not transmitting AIDS.

“There is no “one way” that will nearly elimate the spread of AIDS.”

Except for not having sex outside of a monogamous relationship. I’m pretty sure the Church is against drug addicts sharing needles as well, so that leaves us with the 10% or so infection rate from medical procedures.

POPE SOLVES AIDS CRISIS, LIBERALS RIDICULE AND URGE DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR

That’s the headline that should be written here. How many Africans do you think should die because they listened to you instead of the Pope?

Actually, I think the “rule” is they have to sort of agree with what’s in the Bible, especially the things that Jesus fellow said.

Posted by CavalierX
2010-02-04 15:29:17

You mean like turn the other cheek? Not many Christians on here following that mantra, all I hear is kill the terrorists.

all I hear is kill the terrorists.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-04 16:14:36

All Nixon hears from your side is “appease the terrorists”.

You mean like turn the other cheek? Not many Christians on here following that mantra,

We have a separation of church and state here crthns, take your wild eyed fantasy of a theocracy back to your fevered imagination.

all I hear is kill the terrorists.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-04 16:14:36

Actually, we’d like to lock them away forever. But Liberals tell us we can’t do that.

Ah – so one can say they are a Christian and attend a Christian church and even live their life in accordance with their faith

If you support anti-Biblical practices, you are not, by definition, living your life according to your faith. You are living your life according to your own non-Biblical opinions.

And Mike_M – I’m sorry, but the “sexual teachings” of an 80-something celibate man, even if enthusiastically supported by lots of other celibate (with women anyway) ordained self-proclaimed experts on religious doctrine do not impress me.

Interesting “logic” you’ve got there. The Pope is wrong because he’s old. Brilliant.

If you support anti-Biblical practices, you are not, by definition, living your life according to your faith. You are living your life according to your own non-Biblical opinions.

Posted by mightysamurai
2010-02-04 16:45:57

Which practices are those Mighty, the eye for an eye or turn the other cheek, cant do both.

Which practices are those Mighty

The practices you would know about already if you had actually bothered to read the Bible.

The practices you would know about already if you had actually bothered to read the Bible.

Posted by mightysamurai
2010-02-04 16:51:39

Like i said which is it, turn the other cheek or an eye for an eye, you cant do both and the bible teaches both.

Like i said which is it

What part of “go read the Bible” do you not understand? It’s patently obvious you never have. Maybe you should try. You might learn something.

You mean like turn the other cheek? Not many Christians on here following that mantra, all I hear is kill the terrorists.

You clearly don’t understand the context involved or the lesson being taught; you’re just quoting a phrase you heard and think it makes you sound clever. It doesn’t.

You mean like turn the other cheek? Not many Christians on here following that mantra, all I hear is kill the terrorists.

All I hear from the left is kill the babies so maybe you should shut the fuck up about that.

You realized that Jesus specifically referred to unborn children as people formed “in the womb” by God. Oh wait, you never bothered to read the Bible.

Posted by whats_up
2010-02-04 16:54:11

The dick or the cross crthns, you decide.

Which practices are those Mighty, the eye for an eye or turn the other cheek,
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-04 16:49:23

w_u, that phrase doesn’t mean what you and your gay friends think it means.

w_u, that phrase doesn’t mean what you and your gay friends think it means.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-04 17:47:39

The phrase “an eye for an eye” does not mean what most people think, either. It is actually a call for mercy and the concept that the punishment should fit the crime.

The Pope and the Roman Catholic heirarchy have a great deal of credibility on a great many things – but sex is not one of them. Which may be why the Church’s teachings on birth control are so widely ignored by Roman Catholics
Posted by RBC47
2010-02-04 15:24:58

You know what they say: Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.

Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.

Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2010-02-04 18:33:39

Is that a quote from somewhere?

Is that a quote from somewhere?
Posted by Dick_Nixon 2010-02-04 19:32:55

Just another miserable failure at being clever from Tom.

You know what they say: Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2010-02-04 18:33:39

An observation.

RWN had a thread on January 29 titled, “Another Example of Backwards Islamic ‘Culture’” about Muslim men who likes to have sex with boys. Naturally, you didn’t comment about it. However, when it comes to an issue about Catholics and sex, you naturally have to jump all over it (pardon the pun).

We already know you hate anybody who isn’t Muslim, you don’t have to keep pretending any more.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-04 20:25:07

Nixon thought Tom had made up that quote, since Nixon busted him doing that before.

Which may be why the Church’s teachings on birth control are so widely ignored by Roman Catholics
Posted by RBC47
2010-02-04 15:24:58

Let me guess, you’re Catholic and talk to your fellow church goers about it.

That’s odd. I’m a lifelong, active Catholic and the members I talk to (especially the Knights of Columbus) OVERWHELMINGLY oppose birth control.

Maybe you should think first before posting. That will help avoid making an ass of yourself.

You realized that Jesus specifically referred to unborn children as people formed “in the womb” by God. Oh wait, you never bothered to read the Bible.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-04 17:19:02

King,

Actually I have read the Bible front to back numerous times. That is why I understand that you have fallen way short of being christian, as your words on here have shown many times. Save us your preaching, and study what Jesus actually said.

Posted by Mike_M
2010-02-04 16:05:30

Yeah, no response to that one. I thought as much.

That’s odd. I’m a lifelong, active Catholic and the members I talk to (especially the Knights of Columbus) OVERWHELMINGLY oppose birth control.

Maybe you should think first before posting. That will help avoid making an ass of yourself.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-04 20:33:39

King,

Perhaps you should understand how much of the minority you are.
According to a 2002 CDC study up to 96% of all sexually active Catholic women have used some form of birth control other than the rythm method at some point in their life. Again educate yourself.

100% of all Roman Catholics have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Oh wait, so has everyone. That’s why we need a savior.

You clearly don’t understand the context involved or the lesson being taught

You’re half right, Cav. It’s not just that he doesn’t understand the context of the quote. It’s that he’s never read the damn thing before. He’s just absorbed it as a bit of cultural osmosis. He has no idea what it really means because he’s never even glanced at the inside of a Bible in his life.

You know what they say: Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers.

So Pinko, are you saying that it’s the act of celibacy itself that somehow causes pedophilic and/or predatory sexual tendencies?

How does that work, exactly? A guy suffers a sexual dry spell and suddenly he starts getting the urge to rape children? Or is that just what happens to you?

That is why I understand that you have fallen way short of being christian, as your words on here have shown many times. Save us your preaching, and study what Jesus actually said.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-04 20:43:06

I am still amazed that you are able to type with that beam in your eye, crthns.

Posted by whats_up
2010-02-04 20:43:06

This post is a complete fabrication.

up to 96% of all

SO they asked all Catholic women? Must have been a serious undertaking to have spoken with every Catholic woman worldwide, or perhaps they sampled 500 or so just in the US.

Actually I have read the Bible front to back numerous times. That is why I understand that you have fallen way short of being christian, as your words on here have shown many times. Save us your preaching, and study what Jesus actually said.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-04 20:43:06

I’m talking about the Holy Bible, not the one you read, the satanic bible.

Obviously, you know nothing about Jesus. But, then again, you know nothing about people you hate.

Interesting how you reference “Christian” with a lowercase ‘c.’ It’s the little things that show your lies.

Don’t worry, I’ll be preaching a lot more. Feel free to leave if you cannot handle it.

If you REALLY studied the Bible (which is a lie) then you would respect Matthew 19:5.

You’re far inferior than I am regarding Biblical matters so don’t even try.

According to a 2002 CDC study up to 96% of all sexually active Catholic women have used some form of birth control other than the rythm method at some point in their life.

You mean, the study that was later discredited? That study?

Go educate yourself. After that, go fuck yourself.

Actually I have read the Bible front to back numerous times.

Little bitch, how many times do I have to remind you that The Audacity of Hope is NOT the Bible, no matter how many times you claim otherwise?

the eye for an eye

I guess you failed to realize that you contradicted yourself with that statement. Happy hunting!

ROFL!

Actually I have read the Bible front to back numerous times.

Sorry but, no, you haven’t. And no one here is fooled by your transparent attempts to claim otherwise.

If you had actually read the Bible then you might actually know something about what Christians really believe.

I never thought I’d say this but I actually miss Tom Wark. Sure, he was a troll but he actually put up a better fight than our current crop of trolls.

You clearly don’t understand the context involved or the lesson being taught; you’re just quoting a phrase you heard and think it makes you sound clever. It doesn’t.

Posted by CavalierX
2010-02-04 17:10:49

Cav,

I understand exactly what the message says, what exactly are you confused about.

Go educate yourself. After that, go fuck yourself.

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-04 22:00:14

Ah more from the good christian.

Ah more from the good christian.
Posted by whats_up 2010-02-05 10:23:53

Yes, because you are so far above using that type of language, crthns.

How do you type with that beam in your eye?

RWN had a thread on January 29 titled, “Another Example of Backwards Islamic ‘Culture’” about Muslim men who likes to have sex with boys. Naturally, you didn’t comment about it. However, when it comes to an issue about Catholics and sex, you naturally have to jump all over it (pardon the pun).

We already know you hate anybody who isn’t Muslim, you don’t have to keep pretending any more.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-02-04 20:29:37

You also may have noticed that I’m posting daily lately, Kingfisher. So I didn’t see that thread. But you think that I would let the rape of a child slide because the perp was Muslim? Man, you live is some warped, paranoid and disturbed world.

whoops, *not* posting daily.

You also may have noticed that I’m posting daily lately, Kingfisher. So I didn’t see that thread. But you think that I would let the rape of a child slide because the perp was Muslim? Man, you live is some warped, paranoid and disturbed world.
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay 2010-02-05 11:43:57

Minutes after Trench returned, you appear, even though you hadn’t posted in days!
Minutes after I returned, you appear, even though you hadn’t posted in days!
Catholic Bashing post, and you appear, even though you hadn’t posted in days!

CONCLUSION: You are looking at this site all the time and are too much of a coward to post on most. But your hatred of religion and Catholic’s overcomes that fear.

You also may have noticed that I’m [not] posting daily lately, Kingfisher. So I didn’t see that thread.

Interesting that you always seem to be “absent” on any type of criticism of Islam yet you’re always “present” on any type of perceived criticism of Catholicism.

“Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers,” remember?

But you think that I would let the rape of a child slide because the perp was Muslim? Man, you live is some warped, paranoid and disturbed world.

Why not? If you’re going to make claims without facts, I might as well join in on the discussion, especially since liberals are huge supporters of NAMBLA.

Ah more from the good christian.
Posted by whats_up
2010-02-05 10:23:53

This, coming from the liar who routinely violates the Ninth Commandment.

We all violate God’s law constantly and without much regret (for now). The question is what God wants and demands, not how we live or whether we’re consistent or hypocritical. You can be right and yet a hypocrite, despite the left’s delusional screams to the contrary.

Liberals like to try to twist the bible around to mean what they stand for.In the bible numerous times God commanded his people to go to war and kill the enemies because God blesses his people and wants them to have the best.

The bible sais thou shalt not kill(murder).Cold blooded murder is murder like abortion and is condemned by God however you can kill according to the bible when God tells you it is ok like upholding the laws of the land.

You can kill in order to defend your life or if you are a soldier in a war carrying out orders or if you are a police officer as long as you are in the line of duty.This is not murder in the eyes of God at all.

So don’t twist where Jesus said to turn the other cheek into some kind of contradiction for going to war to protect your country,upholding the laws of the land(death penalty),or even defending your life or family’s life.

Because Jesus also told his disciples to go sell there purse and scrips in order to buy swords to defend themselves.