Well the whole Limbaugh-Rams deal was one of the most amazingly successful smear campaigns in history. The most mainstream sources simply quoted things they didn't even bother trying to verify (CNN's quote with the attribution being "on the radio" is a classic), just to make sure Rush failed. He was systematically targeted in a coordinated effort to demonize the man, and now most people remember the lies and never see corrections.

Oh, and instead of using more recent pictures of the guy, they picked the most unattractive, overweight ones they had on file.

The excuses offered by alleged news sources for their blatantly slanderous quotes, abject lies thrown out simply to smear the man, are even more shocking. "it seemed like something in character with him." Amazing the hate and absolute lack of professionalism and even the slightest desire to do their job on display.

I could care less if Limbaugh owns the Rams or not, I'd consider it a really poor investment on his part. I could care less if Limbaugh is attacked, he can take care of himself. I care about the alleged news reporting in the US being so unbelievably poor and transparently hateful.

You're right. Those white guys always finish last.

When, oh when, can we have some white NFL team owners?

I don't really buy that explanation. Limbaugh's bid fell apart not when the media smear began, but after word started getting out that the other owners were opposed to him joining the club.

Their point of view is not difficult to see. Rush is a hyperpolarizing figure, and the NFL is comfortable making piles of money with its anti-trust exemption. With a good deal of their revenue stream tied to a pass from the government, they certainly don't want to bring in owners that are going to go out of their way to antagonize Washington DC.

If this was political, it would make more sense for Rush's opponents to want him to buy into a club. It would certainly distract him from his radio show. It would also make it easier to discredit Rush as one of the NFL owners that makes money from taxpayer subsidies and a sweetheart deal from the Federal government. I see this as a case of the NFL quietly telling Rush to get lost as to not upset the apple cart.

Of course, Mike. There have been GOP supporters in the NFL for generations. Conservative, white, GOPers.

Limbaugh is not only a right-wing personality, but he is perhaps THE right-wing personality.

Plus, he has indeed made racist statements. Not to say he hates blacks, but they are racist comments nonetheless. Its not fair to select 10 quotes from a 3 decade career, but he's a big boy, he can deal with it.

Now he can play the victim, the GOP can play the victim, and conservative whites can play the victim. This post is proof positive of that.

Meh. George Soros will probably buy the team out of spite. With the full blessings of the so-called mainstream media, of course.

Wow, you have rash generalizations pretty much wrapped up. Whats your vocation again? Oh, yeah… never mind.

Keep in mind that there is also new collective bargaining agreements coming up next year. Don't want to piss off the player's union.

Plus, he has indeed made racist statements.

Any examples? Most, if not all of the ones Nixon has seen involving this NFL issue are not actual quotes made by Rush. Nixon is curious to see your proof. Do Nixon a favor, if you aren't going to provide any to support your statement, tell Nixon now. Sort of busy today.

D-Vega, take a few seconds to respond to a poll I am hosting.

I never have figured out why a bunch of men playing a kids' game need a union.

. . . we are a skin color and political ideology-based economy.

Which the US has been since slavery made it economically what it is today. Hens are coming home to roost.

Plus, he has indeed made racist statements.

Sure he has, D-Vega. I'm sure you have an entire list of "racist statements" from Rush Limbaugh. Just like you have an entire list of prominent Republicans who called people traitors just for disagreeing with them.

You can't be bothered to show us this list, but you've got a list. Really. Honest.

The biggest, most popular one is the foolish statement he made about Donovan McNabb, Nixon.

But calling Obama's economic plan reparations? The kid being beaten on the school bus? Renaming the NBA to the TBA (Thug Basketball Association)? Saying basketball is the favorite sports of gangs?

While not be necessarily anti-black statements, they are indeed racist statements.

Now to be fair, Limbaugh has had a very long, almost daily, show. It's not really fair to judge him on these statements alone, but the NFL is not going to mess with their money. They have enough issues with their players. They don't really need Limbaugh.

You'll have to repost that link, Steve.

I never have figured out why a bunch of men playing a kids' game need a union.

Because they were being screwed over for years, while the owners made huge profits.

I never have figured out why a bunch of men playing a kids' game need a union.

@SomeOtherSteve

Ask that question to Curt Flood.

The biggest, most popular one is the foolish statement he made about Donovan McNabb, Nixon

Based on McNabbs performance to that point, I'd say Rush was correct in his statement. McNabb was being pushed as the best QB in the league by ESPN and indirectly the NFL. His on field performances did not justify that. And yes, I do think McNabb was publicly pushed due to his ract.

As far as your other statements, are those actual quotes? Kid on a school bus, is that racist? Most inner city kids play basketball, and I could see most inner city gang members having a passing knowledge of the sport. And there is thug behavior out of NBA players. A whole lot of bastard children, drug usage, and behavior not exactly normal by most people's views. That isn't racism.

race not ract. damned fingers

Not necessarily, D-Vega. They just aren't politically correct. The TBA is most likely a statement of the character of the participants. I say most likely since I don't follow Rush, and I don't know the statement you are attributing to him. The McNabb statement was a comment on political correctness and not race, though people who want to believe they are enlightened cannot stand to be accused of being politically correct.

Actually, the way McNabb was playing at the time was not good for his team. He played in a way that was more centered around him than making his team a success. He has had to change his playing style some due to injuries, and I think that has made him a better quarterback. Did you ever hear of Limbaugh making similar statements about Warren Moon, Steve McNair, or Doug Williams? I don't think so. They focused more on running the systems of their respective teams than being focused on themselves. McNabb focused more on being a star athlete who did everything instead of being a QB who lead his team. The press ate it up and focused on his race.

You are illogically rationalizing, Nixon.

His comment on McNabb was racist, because McNabb was indeed one of the top QBs in the league at the time. The success of the Eagles was not him solely, but he has perform quite well, when healthy, for many, many years.

It's foolish to credit it to race because there were many, many black QBs before him that sucked and were told so. Tell Kordell Stewart if he was given special treatment. Tell Shawn Young, or Warrren Moon, or Vince Young, or the 110 black quarterbacks that have been in the NFL.

McNabb wasn't given a break by anyone because of his race. He has been under a huge amount of pressure for years in Philly. He is a very, very good quarterback. One of the top 5 or 10 in the league for the past decade. A future Hall-of-Famer.

You can see how well the lying smear campaign worked, although I doubt Vega needed much help to believe Limbaugh was a racist. He's a Republican. They're all racists to a leftist. You don't even need proof or any examples, its presumed.

McNabb wasn't given a break by anyone because of his race.

Nobody said he was "given a break." Limbaugh simply said the media was pulling for him because of his race: and they were, blatantly.

But who cares about the facts right? He's a RAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!1!!!

A future Hall-of-Famer.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 14:20:23

Epic Fail. And McNabb was pushed because of his race. Deal with it.

Kordell Stewart failed out of the league. Shawn Young? What did he do in the league? And Warren Moon is widely regarded as one of the best QB ever to have played the game. McNabb isn't.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 14:20:23

Please explain why, when there is a veritable mountain of racist Rush quotes out there, the media has to resort to lies and slander in attributing quotes to him? I mean, for fucks sake, they sourced WIKIPEDIA! An entry made by Cobra no less. Perhaps Cobra was taking the day off from fighting GI Joe?

Face it Vega, this is another blatant Rather "Fake but True" moment and you are buying into it. The media has produced false quotes and when called on it, they said instead that they represent his thoughts. What. A. Joke.

Stop being silly, CT. I specifically said Limbaugh is not a blatant racist. He has been on the air for decades.

But his statements were racist. His McNabb comments was shocking for even him. The only thing more dumb is the way conservatives try to defend it as nothing, when it was all an attempt to be "controversial" on the air.

The media wasn't pulling for McNabb. The media goes with the flow of success.

I am surprised you would think that I would think all Republicans are racist. You usually don't stick to the pre-approved script.

Vince Young,

Can't even beat out ancient Kerry Collins for the starting job. Collins sucks, and Young, due to his high salary will probably get the start soon in Nashville since they are already basically out of the playoffs.

No racist statements by Limbaugh have been documented. Deal with that.

The media wasn't pulling for McNabb.

Thanks for playing.

Epic Fail. And McNabb was pushed because of his race. Deal with it.

No, he wasn't Nixon. D-Vega is curious to see your proof. Do D-Vega a favor, if you aren't going to provide any to support your statement, tell D-Vega now. Sort of busy today.

Kordell Stewart failed out of the league. Shawn Young? What did he do in the league? And Warren Moon is widely regarded as one of the best QB ever to have played the game. McNabb isn't.

But Stewart and Young were black, though. Why weren't they being pushed if it's all about race?

Face it, the NFL has 80% black players. No one player would be pushed because of race. If anything, the performance is most important, followed by character and marketability.

No racist statements by Limbaugh have been documented. Deal with that.

I just cited a few, Nixon. See Media Matters for a bunch, with recorded audio.

Thanks for playing.

Let's look at McNabb's overall QB stats:

Passing Yards: 12th all-time

Passing TD’s: 12th all-time

Passer Rating: 18th all-time

Interception Rate: 2nd all-time

Yards per Attempt: 120th all-time

Completion %: 41st all-time

Wins: 9th all-time

Win %: 9th all-time

Playoff Wins: 8th all-time

Playoff Win %: 9th all-time

Rushing Yards and TD’s: Top-10 all-time

McNabb is a definite Hall of Famer. And Limbaugh was wrong in what he said.

I mean, can Limbaugh be wrong about anything, ever?

I actually just blew my own mind.

I tried to think of one issue, one event, one statement attributed to Rush Limbuagh that got him a lot of heat from the right-wing base.

Just one. I could not think of any time in history where the right-wing base have ever said Limbuagh was wrong about anything.

Stop being silly, CT. I specifically said Limbaugh is not a blatant racist. He has been on the air for decades.

But his statements were racist.

… Er, yeeesss…. (backing away slowly)

Many of McNabb's peers and one of the ESPN guys on the same show (the black guy) agreed with Limbaugh's assessment. But what would they know?

Media Matters, isn't that funded by George Soros? I am not going to run their site traffic up. If you don't have any proof to back up your statement, fine. McNabb, at the time of Limbaugh's statement, was not a hall of fame qb. Personally, I doubt he will ever see the HOF.

Stewart and Young, maybe they sucked or something. Young has already had a mental breakdown and been riding the pine behind Kerry F'n Collins. Stewart couldn't cut the mustard either.

McNabb is a good QB. But, Elway, Marino, Manning x 2, Young, Montana, Brady, Unitas, Favre, he isn't in their league and you know it. But, you won't admit it.

Media Matters is also supporting Kevin Jennings, a big NAMBLA supporter who is Obama's Safe School Czar in his bid to avoid being put under the bus. Fine group you are supporting.

Uh, so? So if the black guy agrees then the statement cannot be racist, is that what you are saying?

Look at his performance numbers, CT. Not the team's, but his. The facts don't match up to the rhetoric.

If you look at the facts, then you can plainly see Limbaugh was wrong. What details or facts do you have that support the notion he was being pushed because he was black?

"His comment on McNabb was racist, because McNabb was indeed one of the top QBs in the league at the time."

Limbaugh was criticizing the media, not Donovan McNabb. McNabb can't overrate himself! That's really why all the liberals got upset. *They* were being called out and got embarassed so they had to smear Rush to defend themselves. They cried racism because anybody winning an argument with a liberal is a racist. People like you were gullible enough to eat it up.

The comment was also made during McNabb's worst year statistically as a pro. Look it up.

What details or facts do you have that support the notion he was being pushed because he was black?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 15:07:15

Other than the fact his on field performance did not justify the hype?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 14:40:09

I don't follow football at all, but I am curious if those stats are current stats, or ones from when Rush made his comments? If they are current, then they are meaningless since you should be using the stats at the time Rush made his comments.

And as to you question if Rush can ever be wrong – of course. Didn't you know he is only right 99.1% of the time?

Media Matters, isn't that funded by George Soros? I am not going to run their site traffic up. If you don't have any proof to back up your statement, fine.

I did provide you proof, Nixon. Its an obvious racist statement. Its amazing that Limbaugh can never be wrong.

McNabb, at the time of Limbaugh's statement, was not a hall of fame qb. Personally, I doubt he will ever see the HOF.

I didn't say he was a HOF at the time. But he was one of the Top 5 at the time. He is a HOF QB though. And Limbaugh was wrong in his racist statement.

Stewart and Young, maybe they sucked or something. Young has already had a mental breakdown and been riding the pine behind Kerry F'n Collins. Stewart couldn't cut the mustard either.

It shouldn't matter though if the media is pushing only due to race.

McNabb is a good QB. But, Elway, Marino, Manning x 2, Young, Montana, Brady, Unitas, Favre, he isn't in their league and you know it. But, you won't admit it.

I didn't say that either, Nixon. If you can't provide proof to your claims, don't make up shit that I didn't say.

Media Matters is also supporting Kevin Jennings, a big NAMBLA supporter who is Obama's Safe School Czar in his bid to avoid being put under the bus. Fine group you are supporting.

Uh, yeah. Actual audio from Limbaugh is still unacceptable because its from a biased site. I am amazed by the sheer blind loyalty. There is nothing Limbaugh could say that would change your mind.

And please, if you are going to make a NAMBLA accusation, then you should provide proof of that as well.

P.S.

Still wondering if you can tell me why the media has to resort to fabricated quotes if there is such a voluminous amount of racist Rush quotes out there?

Other than the fact his on field performance did not justify the hype?

His stats say otherwise.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playe…

That's McNabb's career stats. 2003 was a down year for him, and his season began atrociously bad. When Limbaugh made the comment, Philly was 0-2 and McNabb had more interceptions run back for touchdowns than touchdown passes.

But his statements were racist.

Definition of racist statement: anything that can be used to advance the left's cause and screw over their opposition, even if it has to be made up or twisted to make it look so.

What galls me is that people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both liars, crooks of the highest orders, and real racists, led the campaign to do this, and were not only taken seriously but got away with it. The left does not fight dirty: it is an insult to people that fight dirty to drag them down to the level of the left. I am sure they are all giddy with joy that they finally stuck it to Limbaugh. Keep defending the indefensible.

For anyone who spends even an hour on the internet looking into Jennings’ speeches and writings, his nonchalant attitude about an older homosexual man having sex with a boy should not be a surprise. What is surprising is that no one is mentioning reports that Jennings publicly stated that he was inspired by one of the biggest promoters of pedophilia in the country—Harry Hay. Hay actively promoted sex between men and boys and supported the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). Transcripts of a GLSEN conference in NYC on October 25, 1997 indicate that Jennings said, “one of the people that always inspired me is Harry Hay.” Jennings also edited a book called Becoming Visible: A Reader in Gay and Lesbian History for High School and College Students which included a biographical sketch on Harry Hay. One of GLSEN’s Education Department resources also lists a work on Harry Hay.

For you Vega, from the Gateway Pundit. and for Media Matters involvement, go to their website. THey have a nice long condmentation of "right Wing smears" against Jennings. Fine group you hang with Vega.

Limbaugh was criticizing the media, not Donovan McNabb.

Naw, he wasn't criticizing McNabb. He was just telling McNabb he wasn't as talented as people were sayng he was, that it was because he was black.

McNabb can't overrate himself! That's really why all the liberals got upset. *They* were being called out and got embarassed so they had to smear Rush to defend themselves. They cried racism because anybody winning an argument with a liberal is a racist. People like you were gullible enough to eat it up.

Uh, sure Mike. People, conservative & liberal alike, were upset because Limbaugh was an explosive political personality and made a racially insensitive statement. You can't say someone is being over-rated because they are black and then say, "It's not about him, it's about the media. Nothing racist at all here." Its nonsense.

The comment was also made during McNabb's worst year statistically as a pro. Look it up.

And McNabb heard about it everyday in Philly (one of the most brutal sports writers' markets) and national media. Athletes' stats are poured over constantly. No one was giving him a break because of his race.

Vega, I'll end the circular argument with you, since you are seeing racism in every conservatives every word. Keep supporting Media Matters and Soros. Fine bunch you hang with. Maybe one day you will admite Limbaugh got ran out on a rail because of his politics and nothing more. When you get a specific racist statement from Rush Limbaugh, you let me know. I will condemn him here and on my own site.

McNabb was is and apparently always will be one of the most over-rated QBs of all time. He has had the benefit of playing for a team with a consistently excellent defense and in many games over many years the Eagles won in spite of McNabb's performance not because of it. If you want a fair comparison, compre Brad Johnson to McNabb. At the time of Limbaugh's criticism their stats were almost identical; passing attempts, completions, yards, wins, TDs, etc. The one real disparity is that McNabb had way more rushing yards but on the flip side Johnson had way fewer interceptions so that sort of evens out. In head to head play, Johnson beat McNabb in Philly in the NFC Championship game and won the Super Bowl. McNabb later won an NFC Championship once but lost in his one appearance in the Super Bowl.

What is the real difference between the two? McNabb is considered by some to be one of the all-time greats and Johnson was never considered to be any more than a journeyman QB who was lucky enough to play for a championship caliber team. Seems to me that the same applies to McNabb but I guess thinking that makes me a racist because I'm not falling over myself praising McNabbs barely above average abilities.

Rush pointed out that McNabb was overated and he was driven out of his football commentary job for his honesty. Nothing much has changed in the years since. ANy criticism of a prominent African-American is treated as defacto racism by ignorant leftists.

Have an Evil day.

That's McNabb's career stats. 2003 was a down year for him, and his season began atrociously bad. When Limbaugh made the comment, Philly was 0-2 and McNabb had more interceptions run back for touchdowns than touchdown passes.

Wow. So only two games into the season, and he was being over-rated because he was black? I mean, do you actually believe that?

Rush pointed out that McNabb was overated and he was driven out of his football commentary job for his honesty. Nothing much has changed in the years since.

Saying someone is over-rated is one thing. Its another to take a guess as to why.

Tony Romo is over-rated. I don't know why, it could be because of his looks and he plays in Dallas. Maybe because he's a white guy in a racist city like Dallas.

Do you appreciate my honesty?

ANy criticism of a prominent African-American is treated as defacto racism by ignorant leftists.

Especially when its a racist statement ("because he's black!")

Wow. So only two games into the season, and he was being over-rated because he was black? I mean, do you actually believe that?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 15:28:21

Of course they believe it Vega, Limbaugh said it.

Their point of view is not difficult to see. Rush is a hyperpolarizing figure, and the NFL is comfortable making piles of money with its anti-trust exemption. With a good deal of their revenue stream tied to a pass from the government, they certainly don't want to bring in owners that are going to go out of their way to antagonize Washington DC.

If this was political…

Didn't you just say it was? The NFL doesn't want Rush to be an owner because it would upset the Liberals in DC and cost them their exemption. Does it get any more political than that? And as for hyperpolarising figures… I notice Michael Vick is playing.

Vega, I'll end the circular argument with you, since you are seeing racism in every conservatives every word.

In "every conservatives every word"? Really Nixon? You gonna cop-out so quickly?

Keep supporting Media Matters and Soros. Fine bunch you hang with.

So Limbaugh never said the things I mentioned, then? The audio was faked just because its from Media Matters? If I didn't know you better, I'd think you were deflecting.

Maybe one day you will admite Limbaugh got ran out on a rail because of his politics and nothing more.

It was because of his politics. I never said it wasn't. He is a controversial figure. And he has made racist statements. But that's part of the political game.

When you get a specific racist statement from Rush Limbaugh, you let me know. I will condemn him here and on my own site.

I'm sure you will. Let me ask you, have you ever considered anything that Limbuahg has ever said to be wrong?

I mean, do you actually believe that?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 15:28:21

Of course they believe it Vega, Limbaugh said it.

Posted by whats_up

2009-10-15 15:36:19

The real question is whether Rush Limbaugh believed it. And, more importantly, whether he is allowed to say what he believes.

Tony Romo is over-rated. I don't know why, it could be because of his looks and he plays in Dallas. Maybe because he's a white guy in a racist city like Dallas.

/shrug.

I do believe Romo is overrated. I would still believe the same if he was green. And I still think McNabb is overated, even today. If he was a white QB he would barely rate a mention compared to real skilled quarterbacks. And I went to SU.

Actual audio from Limbaugh is still unacceptable because its from a biased site.

So let me get this straight. The only way you can prove Rush made "racist statements" is to provide audio or a transcript, both of which are only available on his site… but you won't use audio clips or transcripts from his site, because it's "biased." In other words, you have "some guy that hates Rush Limbaugh said Rush said something racist," and that's it? You're a joke, man.

Guys, stop picking on the local libs. After all, we KNOW they would never vote for a presidential ticket that had a VP who actually made racist statements, right?

The real question is whether Rush Limbaugh believed it. And, more importantly, whether he is allowed to say what he believes.

Sure he does. He does it every day. He doesn't have a right to own an NFL team, though. And he does have to accept resposibility for his words.

So let me get this straight. The only way you can prove Rush made "racist statements" is to provide audio or a transcript, both of which are only available on his site… but you won't use audio clips or transcripts from his site, because it's "biased." In other words, you have "some guy that hates Rush Limbaugh said Rush said something racist," and that's it? You're a joke, man.

You misunderstood my statement, Cav. Nixon is criticizing Media Matters, when all they are doing is citing his transcripts.

No one here is denying he said what he did about McNabb. Everyone is just arguing that it wasn't racist, without providing any proof that Rush was correct.

And he does have to accept resposibility for his words.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-15 15:52:11

That's hilarious coming from you D-Vega.

After all, we KNOW they would never vote for a presidential ticket that had a VP who actually made racist statements, right?

So Biden saying Obama was "clean" was racist, but Limbaugh saying McNabb was overrated because of race isn't racist?

What?

Posted by CavalierX

2009-10-15 15:45:49

Well, the media also used Wikipedia as a source (with an entry from 'Cobra') for Rush's racism. So it's not all from 'some guy that hates Rush Limbaugh.' Its from COBRA! I think they found another guy making false claims was the leader of some American Communist Party (Realpolitik, that you?). Of course, Vega is too busy running in circles using current day stats to defend an opinion of McNabb's performance 5 years ago to address the pertinent question of why the media has to use false quotes if there are so many racist Rush quotes out there.

That's hilarious coming from you D-Vega.

Hush child, adults are talking.

Belacuse, I don't know about the false quotes. Any false quote is ridiculous and shouldn't even be entertained.

If the media did that, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, they should be ashamed.

I think those little black kids should be shipped back to a plantation somewhere to be slaves. It would make things a lot safer around here.

D-Vega

August 30, 2005

I cannot believe we allow such a racist piece of shit to post on this site. D-Vega is disgusting and we should track down his IP and let his boss know all the racist, hate filled things he has said here.

Hush child, adults are talking.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-15 15:56:45

Funny, D-Vega. Now tell us how global warming has nothing to do with the earth getting warmer, or how Sarah Palin is running and is not running for office at the same time.

You are the last person on the planet to criticize anyone for not being able to accept responsibility for their words.

And for your information, plenty of people have provided you proof that Rush was correct in what he said and that it was not a racist statement. But you are a Liberal who lives by the rule that as long as you refuse to acknowledge a point made by your opponent, then that point was never made. Sad that you are considered by some of this board to be the height of Liberal debate.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 15:58:31

It's practically what the OP is about:

"If Rush Limbaugh can be thwarted economically because he’s maligned by racist words he doesn’t believe and he never uttered, no one’s economic dreams are safe…"

So again, I ask you, how come the media in all their glory cannot find these mountains of verified racist quotes? How is it that a simple commentator on a RightWingNews.com forum is so much smarter than the media fact-checkers? Simple question – you are maintaining that Rush has said racist things – so why did the media have to provide false quotes and couldn't produce one single verifiable quote?

So Biden saying Obama was "clean" was racist, but Limbaugh saying McNabb was overrated because of race isn't racist?

What?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 15:56:05

How about this?

“In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking.”

If you look at the facts, then you can plainly see Limbaugh was wrong.

The football players and commentators disagreed. Even one of McNabb's teammates agreed he was being over-hyped because of his color, beyond his talent and ability. I guess you'd know better than them being a big time football player and analyst.

And your inability to even question whether something yous aw being quoted is real or not before agreeing with it is pretty telling: you've likely never even listened to a Limbaugh broadcast, and are certain you know enough about the man to pontificate.

Then you claim you don't think he's racist, just that he says racist stuff. Are you just trolling?

I can't answer that, belacuse. I didn't see any false quotes on the media. I was going with what the players and the owners have said. It should have been very easy for the media to find what they needed.

And the top incidents were the McNabb one and the things he has said about Obama. Including longtime GOP supporter owner of the Indy Colts.

I don't know what Dr. Clouthier is referring to as the "ruling class" though. Liberals are the ruling class? Blacks?

Limbaugh is highly controversial politically. And the NFL doesn't need that. They care about money first and foremost.

You are spouting nonsense again, Baud, so I will address only the relavent crap.

plenty of people have provided you proof that Rush was correct in what he said and that it was not a racist statement.

How? By explaining how it was only 2 games into the season? By illustrating he was one of the Top 5 QBs at the time? By me showing his overall stats are amoung the best in history? By Nixon deflecting by comparing him to Unitas, Favre, etc? By me showing that 110 other blacks QBs have come and gone and were'nt "pushed" by anyone? By you whining because you have nothing to say?

Sad that you are considered by some of this board to be the height of Liberal debate.

D-Vega is #1.

The football players and commentators disagreed. Even one of McNabb's teammates agreed he was being over-hyped because of his color, beyond his talent and ability. I guess you'd know better than them being a big time football player and analyst.

I would have to see that in order to know exactly what they said.

And your inability to even question whether something yous aw being quoted is real or not before agreeing with it is pretty telling: you've likely never even listened to a Limbaugh broadcast, and are certain you know enough about the man to pontificate.

I don't know what you mean, CT. I have never attributed something to RL that I did not verify first. I don't believe anything I hear unless I verify. Especially if I am debating it here. But that's a nice attempt at deflection, too.

Then you claim you don't think he's racist, just that he says racist stuff. Are you just trolling?

You do know someone can make a racist statement without being a racist, don't you?

I would think that if Limbaugh was a "racist" in traditional terms, there would be a library of statements. But has he made racist statements? That is, statements that are racially insensitive and incorrect? Yes.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-15 16:16:14

So when Limbaugh made his comment, McNabb's team was 0-2. Yet this loosing quarterback that was throwing interceptions like he was in a peewee scrimmage, was being touted by the media as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever.

Quarterbacks are credited with wins and blamed for losses. So why was McNabb being lauded even though he was loosing? Could it be, as many other NFL Insiders and commentators believed, becuase the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed? There is no way to know. What we do know for a fact is that Rush Limbaugh was not the only one to hold that opinion.

Limbaugh is undeniably right about one thing. The definition of a racist is anyone that is winning an argument with a Liberals.

Plus, he has indeed made racist statements. Not to say he hates blacks, but they are racist comments nonetheless. Its not fair to select 10 quotes from a 3 decade career, but he's a big boy, he can deal with it.

Gee, Vega. Still envious of Limbaugh's success while you're still obsessed over your porn?

You can go to http://www.archive.org to find those so-called "racist" remarks that you claim exist.

D-Vega is #1 liar.

There, FIFY.

Every utility in the nation. Every auto manufacturer out there. Every large retailer. Every brand company there it. ALL of them have massive lobbying efforts in Washington, and routinely donate large amounts of cash to various politicians. Every last one is enormoustly concerned with its image, and the affects any negative publicity might have on their dependence on government contracts, carve-outs, set-asides, tax-credit finace deals, etc.

And according to the liberal thought process here, liberals would be perfectly okay with these companies banning conservatives like Rush from owning stock in their companies. Perfectly acceptable that some people should be banned from full participation in the American economy due to their political beliefs.

I have never attributed something to RL that I did not verify first.

Other than the fake quotes you linked to, you mean? Other than those?

You do know someone can make a racist statement without being a racist, don't you?

So you can say racist stuff, but not actually be racist, that's what you're saying? Well I guess that's convenient to believe when you hear your heroes in the Democratic Party vomit racist trash so often.

I don't believe anything I hear unless I verify. Especially if I am debating it here. But that's a nice attempt at deflection, too.

And yet, still no evidence.

So when Limbaugh made his comment, McNabb's team was 0-2.

If Limbaugh was dismissed because he is divisive then why hasn't Olbermann been dismissed?

So when Limbaugh made his comment, McNabb's team was 0-2. Yet this loosing quarterback that was throwing interceptions like he was in a peewee scrimmage, was being touted by the media as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever.

He was? Please show me where he was being touted as one of the greatest ever when his team was 0-2. Please show me that.

Quarterbacks are credited with wins and blamed for losses.

Uh, no they're not. It would depend on the win or loss.

So why was McNabb being lauded even though he was loosing?

He wasn't. He was being brutalized daily in the Philly press. Still is. McNabb has been harshly criticized in Philly since day one because the fans wanted Ricky Williams. It is a tough football town.

Could it be, as many other NFL Insiders and commentators believed, becuase the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed?

Considering that black QBs have been succeeding in the NFL for years, that is a ridiculous question to ask. There is no benefit for anyone, including McNabb, to do such a thing.

There is no way to know. What we do know for a fact is that Rush Limbaugh was not the only one to hold that opinion.

Uh, so? So if more than one person holds an opinion, then the opinion must be correct?

Limbaugh is undeniably right about one thing. The definition of a racist is anyone that is winning an argument with a Liberals.

How would you know?

I actually just blew my own mind.

Learned how to count from 1 to 10 today?

Other than the fake quotes you linked to, you mean? Other than those?

I linked to fake quotes? When was this?

So you can say racist stuff, but not actually be racist, that's what you're saying?

Yes, you can. Absolutely.

Well I guess that's convenient to believe when you hear your heroes in the Democratic Party vomit racist trash so often.

And yet you can't admit something so obvious and in your face.

Nixon is criticizing Media Matters, when all they are doing is citing his transcripts.

Sort of like the citing of the quote about Dr King's killer should be given a medal. That was the fruit of a leftist, yet the media and Jesse Jackson say Rush said it. With no proof he ever said that. Does Media Matters cite that quote? IF so, it is incorrect. What else are they lying about?

I didn't know about that quote either, Nixon. Is that true?

And according to the liberal thought process here, liberals would be perfectly okay with these companies banning conservatives like Rush from owning stock in their companies. Perfectly acceptable that some people should be banned from full participation in the American economy due to their political beliefs.

Posted by RWNReader2

2009-10-15 16:27:55

Private companies can decide who they want to invest and who they dont, happens all the time.

So you can say racist stuff, but not actually be racist, that's what you're saying? Yes, you can. Absolutely.

Wow. Where to start. How about Jimmy the Greek?

The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack has a fine run-down of CNN’s use of the discredited claim that Rush Limbaugh once said of slavery “it had its merits.” McCormack also reports that the Huffington Post, which originally ran the quote (and another preposterous quote about Limbaugh saying that MLK assassin James Earl Ray deserved “the Congressional Medal of Honor”) in a 2006 post by left-wing author Jack Huberman, might pull the quotes from their Web site as early as today.

McCormack contacted the Huffington Post, and was told by a spokeswoman that “now that the issue has been raised,” Huberman has now been asked to back up the quote. “When a question of accuracy is raised with us, we give our bloggers 24 hours to either back up the claim or correct the record. If not, we remove the post.”

McCormack, playing off the fact that CNN’s Rick Sanchez has yet to retract the statement, says: “So around 6:00 p.m. tonight we'll get to find out whether the Huffington Post has higher editorial standards than CNN.”

From Newsbusters.Org. Another false Limbaugh quote debunked. But it doesn't matter, does it Vega?

That was the fruit of a leftist, yet the media and Jesse Jackson say Rush said it.

It's sad when a so-called "reverend" has no objection in violating the Ninth Commandment.

Where did I say it didn't matter, Nixon?

Oh, that's right. I actually said it was wrong and they should be ashamed.

Any update on that information that shows Limbaugh was correct in his statement?

I've been listening to Rush since the early 90s and as a black person myself, I have never–NEVER–heard him say ANYTHING "racist." I've heard Don Imus say something racist. I've heard Joe Biden say something racist, but I have NEVER heard Rush.

A racist comment is when someone attributes some characteristic to a person based solely on that person's ethnicity sans any evidential support. "All Jews are money grubbers", "All blacks are excellent at sports" and so on. And the charge of "racism" is still one of the most potent weapons to use in our culture. (Incidentally, you can hate all you want because of someone's ideology–that's sanctioned by Liberals.)

What Rush said was not racist AT ALL. He argued that what he saw as the hype surrounding McNabb was largely because the Liberal media wanted to see a black person succeed so badly, they were embellishing the truth. How is that racist??? You can argue the merits of his argument whichever way you want, but in itself it is not racist to raise that issue.

Rush has on many, many, MANY instance praised black athletes during the nearly 20 years I've listened to his show. He has been downright effusive at times and the ONE time he questions the motives of reporters he's somehow "racist."

Further, are you saying it can NEVER be true that the media's coverage of a person could be colored (sorry!) by their thinking about that person's ethnicity??? If it was possible for the media in times past to slant the news against black folks because of racism, why is it inconceivable for them to be biased in favor of someone based on a variant of that same racism (yes, racism, because the paternalism that passes for "concern" in Liberal circles is based in a racist assumption of the inability of us black folks to make it on our own)?

You know, D-Vega was on a big tear about how obtuse conservatives are if they don't acknowledge the "plain truth" that Sarah Palin, despite having made no official pronouncements or efforts is nonetheless "running for a leadership position" in the conservative movement. He's asking for us to look at her current actions and discern the trajectory sans concrete, confirmed words or actions by Mrs. Palin. You know, "C'mon people! She doesn't have to come right out and SAY she's running for it to be OBVIOUS she is! Don't be so 'coy'!"

So let me ask D-Vega and others like him to apply that thinking, then, to this situation: Isn't it the most LIKELY explanation that this is all a smear campaign to impugn Rush because he is a conservative and is one of the main boogemen of the Left and the media (redundant, I know)? Given the lack of any real quotes they can produce (except the tortured "McNabb incident") especially considering the man is on the air for 15 hours a week, and given that some of his closest friends are black and have stood up against this accusation, you have to ask what's really going on here. What is the most COMMON charge instantly leveled against any white conservative that has worked well in the past? "Maccaca" (sp?) anyone??

In other words, I believe D-Vega is asking us to "read between the lines" when it comes to Palin's supposed campaign, but we are NOT to read between the lines to see what the media did to Rush. No, in Rush's case we have to keep stubbornly trying to parse his comments about McNabb in a desperate search for racism that we just KNOW is there if only we can articulate it well enough and ignore the history of charging conservatives with racism by the Left at EVERY TURN.

I am so sick to death of the tired, lame, always-trotted-out, mindless refuge of "racist!" to try and bring someone down. Especially when I consider the REAL RACISM my parents endured (esp my father) at the hands of the Democrats of the South. I want to be known as a Christian, but I tell you, I am really starting to struggle with hatred for the race-baiters.

Private companies can decide who they want to invest and who they dont, happens all the time.

You really are a complete fucking idiot. Not only is that not true, there is an army of liberal lawyers who would burn you at the stake for even arguing it.

Outright Falsehoods and Fabrications: When leftist authors and bloggers circulated fabricated Limbaugh quotes, “news” networks and columnists picked them up without giving the slightest appearance of checking for an air date or an audio clip. Opponents of Limbaugh’s Rams bid are currently claiming Limbaugh said the slavery of blacks “had its merits,” and even claiming that Limbaugh praised James Earl Ray, the convicted assassin of Martin Luther King. Supposedly professional cable networks used empty, undated citations like “Rush Limbaugh On The Radio” (CNN) and even sourced a linebacker:“Cited by James Farrior, Pittsburgh Steelers” (MSNBC). In 2007, the liberal media and Democrats in Congress rose up as one and claimed Limbaugh said that soldiers speaking in the media against America’s wars were “phony soldiers,” when Limbaugh was referring to men who made false claims of serving abroad

Here is more from Newsbusters.

Any update on that information that shows Limbaugh was correct in his statement?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 16:49:12

Why? Your point has been debunked already.

Why? Your point has been debunked already.

Oh, I get it. The "Rushiah" can never be wrong. Unicorns, anyone?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 16:55:05

How about some fucking examples of him being wrong? I'll wait. McNabb, he wasn't wrong. Only you think so.

Any update on that information that shows Limbaugh was correct in his statement?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 16:49:12

If you're talking about the McNabb comment, that has zero bearing on whether or not it was "racist" for Limbaugh to argue as he did. Rush could be totally wrong and yet that argument is still not racist. And besides, how could you "prove" the media's collective motivation? Mass lie-detector test?

It's obviously to the point where saying anything about black folks (even by other black folks like me, Bill Cosby, Thomas Sowell, or–hey! I almost forgot–even BARACK HIMSELF) is immediately "racist" or "self-hating".

Oh, I get it. The "Rushiah" can never be wrong. Unicorns, anyone?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-15 16:55:05

That's "MaJa Rushie".

That's "MaJa Rushie".

Posted by Major_O

2009-10-15 17:00:51

"Maha Rushdie"

Sorry, I used the Mexican spelling.

A final observation, perhaps too obvious to require saying: It's no coincidence that Democratic Party outlets like CNN had to dredge up fake quotes to make their case. Nothing Rush actually said would do the trick, even though he's been on the radio three hours a day, five days a week, for more than twenty years. That really tells you all you need to know.

From PowerlineBlog.Com

So leaving aside for a second whether or not Rush Limbaugh makes racist statements, he certainly makes inflammatory statements, and he relishes in doing so. The man is a lightning rod. And he knows it. That's what makes him so successful at what he does.

The NFL feels like that lighting rod will be bad for business. And they are probably right.

my own site.

Posted by Dick_Nixon

Does Nixon ever post a link to Nixon's site?

So leaving aside for a second whether or not Rush Limbaugh makes racist statements, he certainly makes inflammatory statements, and he relishes in doing so. The man is a lightning rod. And he knows it. That's what makes him so successful at what he does.

The NFL feels like that lighting rod will be bad for business. And they are probably right.

Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay

2009-10-15 17:07:36

That, to me, is a totally fair assessment that makes complete sense. The "racist" argument is just plain partisan stupidity.

Wow. I go out to walk the dog and get a late lunch and you guys have driven D-Vega completely off his rocker.

"Rush Limbaugh isn't a racist, he just says a lot of racist stuff!"

"I have a bunch of racist Rush Limbaugh quotes but none of them from his website because his website is horribly biased!"

My God, D-Vega, can you get any more pathetic?

Trench Raider,

If Hawkins has told you that you are not wanted here, then you have no "right" to be here. I don't care how unprofessional you think he is, or how much of a hack you think he is, or whatever. This blog is his private property, and if you don't like the rules he makes, well tough sh*t, pal. There are plenty of other places on the Internet for you to hang out.

By continuing to post here, you are no better than any of the trolls you proclaim to so good at smiting. The fact that you can't see that is shocking to me. Do you still work at a correctional facility? Why do I not find it surprising that you have a hard time with arbitrary rules being enforced against you.

Dang, guys, you wore out D-Vega before he could explain why he was willing to vote for a presidential ticket that had someone who openly made racist statements. :)

The NFL feels like that lighting rod will be bad for business. And they are probably right.

Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay 2009-10-15 17:07:36

With the likes of Jerry Jones and any number of players in the league, your statement is meaningless and stupid.

The NFL thrives on controversy and outrageous statements and it always has. This is not about that. This incident is about the NFL cowtowing to the self-proclaimed lords of political correctness.

Well what I was hoping to drive D-Vega to was to admit that you can make statements which people will call racist without actually being a racist… but only if you're taken out of context or joking, or using that to make an ironic point.

Which is what Limbaugh does, sometimes. Yet Vega would instantly reject that explanation and decry what Rush said. Which means he really meant those things, and is an actual racist.

It is kind of funny for Vega to say "Media Matters has quotes of him being racist, check it out" then say "I never saw that quote on Media Matters which is a total fabrication." So which is it? Did he actually see the quotes or not? Did he not refer to them as a reliable place to find racist quotes by Limbaugh? Because at least some of the quotes on there are deliberate falsehoods meant to smear the man.

In the end, the left is simply covered with shame, yet will never show it.

Dang, guys, you wore out D-Vega before he could explain why he was willing to vote for a presidential ticket that had someone who openly made racist statements. :)

Posted by SomeOtherSteve 2009-10-15 18:06:08

Perhaps D-Vega was banned from the board for the racist statement he made, that was reported here.

Posted by RWNReader2 2009-10-15 16:00:55

Well what I was hoping to drive D-Vega to was to admit that you can make statements which people will call racist without actually being a racist… but only if you're taken out of context or joking, or using that to make an ironic point.

Posted by Christopher_Taylor 2009-10-15 18:14:14

D-Vega cannot even admit that Sarah Palin is not currently running for public office. His ego is as big as all outdoors. Do not expect him admit to anything of that nature, Christopher_Taylor.

The media hyped Mr. Obama because he is black and they wanted a black Democrat President. That's what I think. Is that racist? Yes, but not on my part.

Same deal with the quarterback sack.

With the likes of Jerry Jones and any number of players in the league, your statement is meaningless and stupid.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-10-15 18:13:21

Jerry Jones is a putz, for sure, but if you can't see the difference between Jerry Jones and Rush Limbaugh, then I'm not sure I can help you in this discussion.

Also, there is a huge difference between a player and an owner. And thriving on the controversy? What? Players get fined not toeing the party line all the time. Ever hear of the league being referred to as the No Fun League?

Jerry Jones is a putz, for sure, but if you can't see the difference between Jerry Jones and Rush Limbaugh, then I'm not sure I can help you in this discussion.

Try. Explain to me the difference between Jerry Jones and Rush Limbaugh. Admittedly I'm not much of a sports fan, but I see no difference other than the fact that Rush Limbaugh is a prominent conservative that a lot of liberals don't like.

Explain to me the difference between Jerry Jones and Rush Limbaugh.

Jerry Jones owns the Dallas Cowboys. Rush Limbaugh was denied the opportunity to buy into the Rams do to false statements and lies.

Posted by EyeBEW77

2009-10-15 21:32:35

Rush is respected. Look at all those phoney quotes supposedly by him that are being proven lies. Sort of like your bullshit has been proven lies, Hogground. I see you haven't condemned those lies about Rush, typical liberal hypocrite.

In some American venues people still must gain respect the old fashioned way, they have earn it.

2009-10-15 21:32:35

Something which you intentionally avoid. Here's a hint: intentional liars like you will never gain respect.

Thank you for admitting that integrity is still valued in this country. Like the vast majority of liberals, you avoid integrity.

Posted by EyeBEW77

2009-10-15 21:32:35

You want to earn respect? Answer this simple question: Have you ever posted under the name of "hogground" or "groundhog" on this site?

Does Nixon ever post a link to Nixon’s site?

Posted by NorthernCanuck
2009-10-15 17:07:50

Sorry Nixon didn’t get this quicker to you. Nixon posts at TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com. All comments are moderated, and Nixon’s email is there. It’s small time, but, kind of fun to do.

he certainly makes inflammatory statements,

But, a valid question is are they true statements? The truth, in itself, cannot be racist. Does Rush piss people off, sure. Liberals. Just like conservatives get pissed at MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, NY TImes, USATODAY, and other left leaning media sources.

However, it has been proven that many of the statements that have floated up in this discussion have been proven never to have come from Rush. That is a rather chilling item Nixon thinks.

Posted by Dick_Nixon

2009-10-15 16:46:35

Huffington Post and Rick Sanchez are now retracting their stories. Busted lying, sucks to be a lying liberal caught in the act.

Limbaugh lesson: anger the left and they'll lie and smear you in every possible way just to hurt and stop you, because they can rely on the press to bury the truth and ignore the correction.

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So, if Rush was a racist for calling NFL players the Crips and Bloods sans weapons. Then, what about this guy? Can a black man make racist statements because he wrote an entire column about how the NBA has sort of devolved to the same thing … and he takes on their fans.

And classically speaking, racism is the belief that your race is superior. Just because Rush has made some harsh statements that comment on race relations doesn't make them racist. How is it racist to suggest that the media was hyping McNabb all out of proportion to how good he really was because it made a good storyline for them – sort of like how they hyped Obama because he made a good storyline for them. Too bad for the country that Obama is pulling us all down rather than just sinking an isolated team.

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Try. Explain to me the difference between Jerry Jones and Rush Limbaugh. Admittedly I'm not much of a sports fan, but I see no difference other than the fact that Rush Limbaugh is a prominent conservative that a lot of liberals don't like.

Posted by mightysamurai

2009-10-15 20:02:35

Well one runs his mouth and tries to seperate Americans, he calls half the country un-American frequently. The other one owns a football team and doesnt get on the radio and insult and degrade half the american population.

My God, D-Vega, can you get any more pathetic?

What the hell are you talking about, mighty? I referred to a set quotes that there is no argument that he said them or not, and we discussed one specifically that no one argued that he said. Nixon brought in false quotes, not me.

He has made racist statements, but its clear after a very long career that if he were a racist it would be much more content to point to. People make statements, sometimes in the wrong way. But that doesn't mean the statements aren't racist.

I'll ask you the same question, though. Has Rush Limbaugh, according to your standards, been wrong about anything for the past 25 years?

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You didn't refer to those, you told people to check Media Matters which has quotes which are lies.

And as I noted, Vega, your argument that he made comments you consider racist without actually being racist means you think they were taken out of context, mistaken, or done in ironic humor.

Which explanation you'd immediately discard when people bring up as demonstrated by your mocking statement about them all being sarcasm or out of context. Your hate of Rush Limbaugh is basically ruining your ability to think rationally on this topic. Actually that's happened a lot lately: your inability to think rationally because of some related topic such as President Obama being your hero.

Posted by whats_up

2009-10-16 10:16:38

So you're saying the difference is you personally dislike Rush Limbaugh. Gotcha.

What the hell are you talking about, mighty?

I'm talking about what a raving, Limbaugh-hating maniac you are, D-Vega. Weren't you listening?

I referred to a set quotes that there is no argument that he said them or not

False. You directed us to a set of FAKE quotes from Media Matters. The only uncontested quote so far has been the one about Donovan McNabb, and multiple people so far have pointed out how obviously wrong you are on that one.

I'll ask you the same question, though. Has Rush Limbaugh, according to your standards, been wrong about anything for the past 25 years?

In that case I'll answer your question with two more questions.

How should I know? and Why does it matter?

Interesting that you would assume anyone with even a vaguely conservative viewpoint must be an avid listener of Rush Limbaugh. I'm not. His show comes on at an inconvenient time for me so I rarely get to listen to it, and the few times I do I can only catch part of it.

But setting that aside for a moment, why does it matter whether I personally can name an instance when Rush Limbaugh was wrong? This isn't a debate about whether Rush Limbaugh has ever been wrong, this is a debate about whether Limbaugh has made a racist statement. So far you have FAILED to offer even one substantiated "racist statement" from Rush Limbaugh, just as you FAILED to offer even one substantiated quote from a Republican calling anyone who disagrees with them a traitor.

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