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About the Left’s New Palin-Confronting ‘Teacher,’ Turns Out She Lied

Written By : Warner Todd Huston

Earlier today the left sent up cheers for an Alaska “teacher” that is seen on video attacking Governor Palin as “the worst Governor ever” as the sign she was putting up read.

When Gov. Palin interacted with her, the woman told Palin she was a “teacher.”

Looks like the woman, Kathleen Gustafson, is a liar. As we find on GatewayPundit, she isn’t a teacher but a theater tech. Even more absurdly, the woman belongs to a band that features drag queens as its attraction!

Another blogger whose blog is named Mac’sMind did some digging and the only Kathleen Gustafson he could find connected to the Kenai Peninsula Borough School District works in the theater dept. as a tech.

So, once again, the left’s hero turns out to be a whack-job and a liar. Are we surprised?

Here’s that confrontation with Gov. Palin:

Mahatma

Wellllll. What does a theater tech do? It may involve training (teaching) student in the technical side of theater. But even assuming she is a liar, Palin is the worst (half) governor (and quitter) ever. So it's a wash.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

A theater tech handles lighting, sound, stage, rigging, and wardrobe.

In other words, a gofer, a lackey. Definitely not a teacher, or a trainer.

Yes Yes Richard

You are wrong. These are taught skills.

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“You are wrong. These are taught skills.”

But not teaching skills. What classes has this person taught, and at what school?

Mahatma

Kinda funny how you know nothing about this woman and what she does outside of a title. Maybe you and gf can go in to business as seers.
http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

I'll ask you, then. What classes has this person taught, and at what school? These are simple enough questions. Why do you not answer them?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ELCWV5ANDUEJ5D5PB35FL2LZ6Y Bildo

Yes, she was taught to do them. It doesn't make her a teacher.
UFKA_Smithwick

Most skills are taught.

Does that mean anyone who has any sort of trade ought to be considered a teacher?

Mahatma

Depends on what they do with that skill. Since you don't know in this case, stfu.

Mr. EMT

Goody, by your criteria I can therefor start putting “Teacher” on my resume.
Which would be ok in your world, but not on earth.

Mahatma

Or you could put moron and be more specific.
Mr. EMT

I could, however I would never take your job from you.

Richard

What are you, stupid?
RedChicagoGirl

I'm a theatre tech, and I started way back when in grade school. We had both drama teachers and tech directors (sometimes the same person, not always.) A lot of schools employ a drama teacher, who usually is also an english or literature teacher, but not always. Additionally, a lot of schools employ an additional staff member as a Technical Director whose job is to supervise the extra-cirricular technical theatre students in the shop. This person doesn't necessarily need to be a certified teacher – it can simply be someone with technical theatre experience who works in the shop with the students. Often this is a person with a TD degree who isn't or doesn't want to become a teacher, but still wants to work in educational theatre. The TD does teach skills – lighting and sound design, set construction, etc, but not as a “teacher” in a classroom during school hours. (Personally, I learned a lot more practical skills from my TD than I learned in a hundred hours of classroom lessons.)

And Bildo, I would hardly call a tech a “lackey”. That word will probably get you a sandbag dropped on your head, or at the very least you'll be assigned to page cables for a week. Neither are pleasant experiences. “Lackey” and “gofer” are more commonly reserved for assistant directors and butt-kissing chorus members. ;)
airfr8er

In the same sense that changing a light bulb and hooking up a dvd player are taught skills.

gfchicago

Good grief, I didn't even have a chance to say 5,4,3,2,1 here comes Mahatma, Vega, Fiza and all of the other liberal trolls trashing Sarah Palin.

At least she is showing her political power by backing Republican/Conservative candidates. People on the Democrat side such as candidates for governor are running away from Obama. Case in point former Houston Mayor White was no where to be found when the Messiah stopped in Austin today. Governor Perry was on hand to great him with a request that he do his job on the boarder.

The Dems are running away from as fast as they can, just like the Democrat candidate in Georgia.

At least Sarah Palin is raising money and backing candidates that have a chance in 10 for congress and she's made a hell of alot more progress than Obama..

Mahatma

Well let's get you a seer's cap, gf. So, she quits her commitment halfway through and you defend her? Republicans, sheesh.

gfchicago

Yeah just like Obama did. He swore he would finish out his senate term, but started campaigning for president from the get go. Inconvenient little factoid there huh.

Mr. EMT

Right, and I am a doctor, and you are a half wit.

Oh wait..on earth, im not a doctor, never claimed to be, never will try to do anything more than understate what I am and what I do, and you have zero wits.

Mahatma

That doesn't make any sense.

Mr. EMT

Sorry for using words too big for you to understand little guy.

TheDickNixon

Actually, Palin was viewed as a very effective governor, running a surplus in cash and working to reform the Alaskan Government. Until forced out with a legal bill of a half million dollars defending groundless ethics violations made by Democratic operatives.

But hey, don't let the truth get in your way.

Mahatma

Palin was viewed as a very effective governor

Even if that were true then why did she quit in the middle of her term? No respect or loyalty that elected her, I suppose.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Remember asshatma the same can be said of Odrama the half term Senator. But then we all know your rhetoric is strictly anti-GOP and never crtitical of those who share you stupid ideas.

Mahatma

Well, we're not talking about OBAMA here are we, btheass? Any thing to say about my POINT? Ya know the half-governor, who quit because she valued money more than honoring her commitment and the false statements about the teacher?

http://twitter.com/KidminPatriot Kidmin Patriot

I was impressed by how gracious sarah was. a lliberal would not have stood there and listened and been so kind in front of such a giant mean banner meant to intimidate. but sarah walked over and was kind to her. that's class. wow. she has my vote.

coolczech

I think the proven “brilliant” and “scientific” Liberal Democratic response would have been to stand there and keep saying, “Who are you? WHO are you? WHO ARE YOU??” while assaulting the woman.

But that would only go to show how “sophisticated” and “educated” and “urbane” Liberals are, of course…

StanW

Or blow them off by telling the to “Stop being a smartass!”

http://twitter.com/RightKlik RightKlik

Interesting, prescient video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtEofQ9Zllw

HomerMama

I live in Homer, Alaska and I have known Kathleen Gustafson for over ten years. It’s really sad to see how quick people are to smear the reputation of someone they only “know” through speculation hasty Google searches.

Would you like some solid facts about Kathleen?

1. She is indeed a teacher. Beyond just being certified to teach, she was the lead teacher in a small elementary school called Smokey Bay for a number of years.

2. With a background in theater, she directs and acts in plays at Pier One Theater during the summer. She also had taught theater camp for a number of years to kids of all ages. She has worked at the high school as a Theater Tech, and has taught many classes in drama and theater.

3. The ‘Drag Band’ she was in is actually a performance of “Hedwig and the Angry Inch”. She directed the play, and then stepped in to play a role when one of the cast had to leave. This play also featured Jewel’s brother, Atz Lee, as Hedwig and played many times around the state to sold-out crowds.

4. Being a talented woman, Kathleen also had a job at the local radio station, KBBI as the morning announcer for a few years.

5. As president of Kachemak Family Planning, Kathleen helps support an organization that provides low-cost mammograms, pap-smears, and women’s health services to our community. Kachemak Bay Family Planning DOES NOT, and HAS NEVER offered abortion services. There are NO abortion providers in HOMER.

6. Kathleen was NOT representing the radio station (or she would have had sound recording equipment) or Kachemak Bay Family Planning when she went to the Spit. She was representing herself, as an educated and interested citizen.

Does attacking Kathleen’s character somehow make Sarah Palin’s interaction with her any more palatable? I don’t think so.

Kathleen spoke for many people, especially women, who were proud of Sarah Palin when she was our Governor. She seemed to be doing a good job for us. When John McCain nominated her for VP we were shocked… and when we saw what she had to turn into to take the state nationally we were horrifed. It was like she had to become an obscene caricature of herself.

And when she lost the presidency and came back to Alaska, she quickly abandoned us to ride the wave of the publicity and celebrity.

We as Alaskans, for the majority, feel embarrassed that Sarah Palin has come to represent us on a national stage.

It is true Alaskan women like Kathleen who are committed to their communities and give back to the people and the place they live by sharing all of their talents, that should rightfully represent us.

Dude

I reckon that about covers it.

Dude

StanW

Still waiting on you to respond, Dude. Is the high school out of compliance, or is Gustafson lying?

StanW

“And when she lost the presidency and came back to Alaska, she quickly abandoned us to ride the wave of the publicity and celebrity.”

Palin did not LOSE the Presidency, Moron. She was not RUNNING for the Presidency. And she quit for the good of the state.

Maybe you can answer a question for me then. How is it that a person with an elementary education certificate is allowed to teach at the high school level?

Mazen Abdallah

Let's nitpick viral videos just to show how little real news material we have!!! What's next, you point out the inconsistencies in the 'Look at your Man' Old Spice ad and demonstrate that it does not, in fact, make you smell like a jet pilot? Get real news!

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

If you don't like the content go the fuck and don't come back, no one is forcing to read this site and no one gives a shit about your opinion of it's content, troll.

Mahatma

Don't take this teabagger serious Mazen. He's got nothing so he's talking out his ass.

Kingfisher

So you accept liars on your side.

Wow, imagine my surprise.

UFKA_Smithwick

Any and all missteps from rightwingers is fair game to attack the entire right.

Any and all missteps from leftwingers are irrelevant and to mention them is “nitpicking”.
Mediumheadboy

Without liars, his side wouldn't exist.

Mahatma

Like without the word NO, your side wouldn't exist.

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“Let's nitpick viral videos just to show how little real news material we have!!! “

So are you saying this didn't actually happen just because it wasn't covered by the mainstream media? Well, welcome to the 21st century, moron.
ApplePie

who the hell do you think you are, your the worst type of citizen, living thousands of miles away leaching off a respectable institutions internet, eating mexican salads, get a job fatty

Freihawaii

People….she is not a singer for a drag queen band.
Hedwig and the angry inch is a MUSICAL and a movie.
The picture is taken during a MUSICAL performance.
northerncanuck

I just knew something was going to turn up like this, the left is becoming so predictable. And aren't the left always telling conservatives how dumb we are? Guess that's why they think they can get away with this nonsense and us rubes will never catch on.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Amen, the left is always so sure of their intellectual superiority, and look pathetic when their BS gets shown for what it is.

coolczech

Gee, so you mean the reason that Palin gave her daughter a knowing look when that aggresively lesbian-looking woman said she was a teacher was because… she could see right through her?

Go figure.
mightysamurai

The fear. You can feel it.

RappinMc

Smells like… Victory.

BackBayBoston

Anyone who finds anything negative about Ms. Palin in this video is NUTZ. However, I don't see what attacking Kathleen Gustafson does either. It seemed like an amicable exchange of views . . . eventually.
D-Vega

You guys are whining constantly about the way the lefy nips at Srah Palin and here you are in full gangsta mode trying to discredit and hate on this woman.

She was expressing herself on private property (not hers but with permission). She has every right to express herself.

I would also not jump on the right-wing-blog bandwagon so soon about her “lying”. There has been NO PROOF submitted at all that she is not a certified teacher. “Theater Tech” could be A Theater Tech, or Theater Technology, which means Drama TEACHER.

I have seen comments on other sites confirming that she is indeed a teacher, but not confirmation from the school. And you guys don't have diddly squat in terms of calling her a liar just because she confronted your Great Right Hope.

I don't think this is big deal either way. It's quite trivial. It just amazes how people react to this stuff, both right AND left. You guys are just as guilty in your hysterical defense.

BTW, Joe “the Plumber” wasn't a certified plumber. And yet he was another one of your misguided heroes.

StanW

“You guys are whining constantly about the way the lefy nips at Sarah Palin”
You mean like the way you whine constantly about nips at Obama?

Pot, meet kettle!

D-Vega

Similiar to that, especially when it comes to simple things like a vacation.

I'm saying there has to be some perspective here. This is something so trivial that it's laughable.

You guys are reacting pretty emotionally to defend Palin, when the bottom line is it's just a simple confrontation between a politician and someone who doesn't really like them. So what?

Now the rightosphere is out to destroy this woman. Will Mr. Huston and the 50+ sites that are calling this woman a liar apologize if she is indeed a teacher?

StanW

Excuse me, what political office does Sarah Palin hold? Oh, well then what political office is Sarah Palin running for? I see.

And how is telling the truth about this woman destroying her? Is anyone going theorugh her private governmental files? Are they looking up old court cases by or against her? Is ANYTHING said about her untrue?

And as far as an apology, when is the Left going to apologize for the mountain of lie thrown at Palin and her family? You always want contrition from the Right, yet offer none yourself your own lies are exposed.

D-Vega

She is still a politician, Stan.

Politician (def.)
a. One who is actively involved in politics, especially party politics.
b. One who holds or seeks a political office.
2. One who seeks personal or partisan gain, often by scheming and maneuvering.
3. One who is skilled or experienced in the science or administration of government.

And as far as “telling the truth” about her, the author (and many, many others) are calling her a liar and a singer in a drag queen band.

Both of those things above have yet to be confirmed, and are yet being accepted as the “truth”. All because she had the nerve to confront your messiah (yes, I said messiah.)

Sarah Palin still rolled her eyes when she was told the woman was a teacher. If that's not a big deal (I don't think it is) then why such a fierce defense of her and an attack on Gustafson?

It's quite amusing. Now Sarah Palin can be back in the media spotlight, AND play the “victim” to the tech in teacher's clothing. What a joke.
StanW

Oh, give it a rest, Vega. You defend Obama for everything and have even lost your mind a couple of time defending him. Palin as a victim? Yeah, attacks on her children are fair game, right Vega.

It is not outrageous to see a Liberal lie when attacking a Conservative. Remember the non-Doctor in Texas? How curious is it that the school where she supposedly 'teachs” does not have her listed as staff and will not confirm that she teaches there. You are free to beleive her and her Liberal defenders, Vega. We on the Right will continue to rely on FACTS. In other words, she needs to provide proof that she is in fact a teacher.

And as far as your definition of a politician, that could be construed to make YOU a politician. Palin is a private citizen.
D-Vega

Oh, give it a rest, Vega. You defend Obama for everything and have even lost your mind a couple of time defending him. Palin as a victim? Yeah, attacks on her children are fair game, right Vega.

I know you certainly consider attacks on Obama's family fair game.

It is not outrageous to see a Liberal lie when attacking a Conservative. Remember the non-Doctor in Texas? How curious is it that the school where she supposedly 'teachs” does not have her listed as staff and will not confirm that she teaches there.

Has anyone asked them? AND, she has already been confirmed as staff.

Once again, how does that matter in terms of this exchange?

You are free to beleive her and her Liberal defenders, Vega. We on the Right will continue to rely on FACTS.

If you are saying she lied about being a teacher, then you are not relying on facts, you are relying on speculation.

In other words, she needs to provide proof that she is in fact a teacher.

I would agree with that. I just don't think it's a national issue that has to make the right and left wingers foam at the mouth.

And as far as your definition of a politician, that could be construed to make YOU a politician. Palin is a private citizen.

As the definition shows, Palin can be considered a politician. I appreciate you considering me one as well.

What Sarah Palin is not is an elected official.
StanW

“I know you certainly consider attacks on Obama's family fair game.“
I know how much it annoys the Left when the Right folows their game plan, Vega. It's hypocritical, but I understand why it bothers you so much.

And for your information, being on staff at a school does nopt automatically make you a teacher. The fact I am referring to is that I will not refer to her as a teacher until I see the FACT that she is one. Her word is insufficient to prove it.

And this is not a national issue at all, Vega. Just like a slam on Obama's mother is not a national issue. That does not preclude some people from going insane to defend it.
D-Vega

I know how much it annoys the Left when the Right folows their game plan, Vega. It's hypocritical, but I understand why it bothers you so much.

Once again, you take no responsibility for your own actions, Stan. How typical.

And for your information, being on staff at a school does nopt automatically make you a teacher.

I didn't say it did. YOU said “How curious is it that the school where she supposedly 'teachs” does not have her listed as staff”

That was “Mac's Mind” who asserted that. And he was wrong or lying.

The fact I am referring to is that I will not refer to her as a teacher until I see the FACT that she is one. Her word is insufficient to prove it.

That's not a fact, Stan. That's a contention. The fact of whether she is a teacher or not has yet to come to light. So what you are relying on at this point is NOT fact, but speculation. You can't say your disbelief in whether she is a teacher or not is a fact.

And this is not a national issue at all, Vega. Just like a slam on Obama's mother is not a national issue. That does not preclude some people from going insane to defend it.

I know, that's why I can't for the life of me understand why you would go insane defending Van Douchebag (and Donald Douglas, don't have a nickname for him yet) when they were attacking Obama's family. WHILE STILL claiming offense of attacks on Palin's family. That's hypocrisy, Stan.
StanW

MY RESPONSIBILITY? All I said was that the attack on Obama's mother was mild in comparision to what Conservatives endure daily from the Left. And you lost your mind, screeching that we need to hate Van Helsing the way you do. Pathetic and hypocritical of you.

And you are relying on this woman saying she is a teacher as a fact. She may or may not be. She is listed as staff at a school, but that does not equate to teacher, so do not claims anything about facts on your side. Yours is partisan speculation, Vega.

You want us to hate Van helsing and Douglas with the same level of hate and righteous indignation you have, while at the same time you soft-pedal attacks on Palin as “you guys do it too”. The hypocrisy is all your Vega. Don't even begin to accuse us of anything without cleaning up your own act!
D-Vega

MY RESPONSIBILITY?

Yes, whenever your behavior is questioned, you immediately deflect to something some liberal, did somewhere. What about YOU, Stan? Do you have any standards?

All I said was that the attack on Obama's mother was mild in comparision to what Conservatives endure daily from the Left. And you lost your mind, screeching that we need to hate Van Helsing the way you do. Pathetic and hypocritical of you.

That's defending what he did. And it wasn't mild. It was accusing his grandfather of being a communist (no proof of that) and calling Obama's mother a sleazebag and showing a nude photo of someone who is obviously not her.

And you are relying on this woman saying she is a teacher as a fact. She may or may not be. She is listed as staff at a school, but that does not equate to teacher, so do not claims anything about facts on your side. Yours is partisan speculation, Vega.

I didn't rely on her statement as being fact, Stan. Pay attention and don't compound speculation with more spec.

You want us to hate Van helsing and Douglas with the same level of hate and righteous indignation you have, while at the same time you soft-pedal attacks on Palin as “you guys do it too”. The hypocrisy is all your Vega. Don't even begin to accuse us of anything without cleaning up your own act!

I don't “want” you to do anything. I am calling you out for not holding your colleague to task. If when liberals do it, it's wrong. Then when Van Douchebag does it, it's wrong. If you are not consistent, it's smacks of cowardice & hypocrisy.

No go ahead, Stan. Blame some other liberals for your bahavior, or blame me. That's all you do.
Mr. EMT

I haven't attacked obamao's kids.
The only time I made any critical comments about his wife was when she stepped up to the stage and made her opinion's known.
D-Vega

I am not referring to you, EMT. I am specifically referring to Stan, Kingfisher and Nixon.
StanW

Oh really, Vega. When did I or any of the others attack Obama's kids? And as far as Obama's mothers, we never attacked her, we just didn't whine and screech and loose our minds like you did. You come unglued about Obama's mother being attacked, and then call Palin a victim when her children are attacked.

Pathetic, but typical from you.
D-Vega

Not holding your own colleague to the same standard smacks of implicit approval. Either you make your opinion known, or don't say anything and move on. You defended him vigorously, so you have no credibility when it comes to being outraged when one of yours is attacked.
mightysamurai

Not holding your own colleague to the same standard smacks of implicit approval.

I'll remember that the next time you complain about a Republican not keeping campaign promises, engaging in demagoguery, lying about their opponents, and all the various other things Obama has done that you have given him a pass on.
D-Vega

I never complain about campaign promises of anyone.

Demogoguery is done by all sides, my issue with the right is you then claim you don't do it (like with immigration.)

Lying about thier opponents? When has Obama done that?

And all of those things are different than defaming someone's family who are innocent bystanders in the war of politics. If Palin's family is considered off-limits by the right, then Obama's mother and grandfather should be, too.
StanW

And when you EVEN ONCE come on here and take ANYONE to task for smearing Palin's family, those words might mean something. Until then, fuck off and die, Vega!
D-Vega

All the time. When Sullivan did it. When Letterman did it.
D-Vega

And if you assert otherwise, you'd better prove it. Or you are the one who can FOAD.
StanW

BULLSHIT.

When the Letterman joke was published, you said “You guys do it too!”. When you got slammed for that remark, your said “I abhor this rhetoric from both sides.” You NEVER took Letterman or anyong on this board to task for ANYTHING said about Palin's family. You claim she is plaing “the victim” and then you return to your pissy little whine about how terrible we are for not hating Van Helsing as much as you do.

Vega, everyone can see your posts and knows what I say is true. If you can find some NON-EDITED criticism of any of the Palin smears, then post them. If not, you are dismissed!
D-Vega

No, Stan. You are lying. Prove it, or STFU. Oh, that's right you won't, you'll simply blame someone else.
StanW

Prove a negative? Seriously?

OK, let me look… NOPE, you NEVER took anyone to task for slaming Palins children.

OK, your turn, PROVE YOU DID!
StanW

I made my opinion known, Vega. Van Helsings reporting of the smear against Obama's mother and grandfather were mild in the politics of personal destruction as perfected by the Democrats.

Further, you are a pompous ass and a hypocritical jerk for demanding that we disavow anything on the Right when you refuse to do the same for those smears on the Left.

So take your indignation and shove it up Obama's ass. You shoudl have no trouble finding that, just open your eyes!
D-Vega

I made my opinion known, Vega. Van Helsings reporting of the smear against Obama's mother and grandfather were mild in the politics of personal destruction as perfected by the Democrats.

Right. Like I said, you are okay with that when it comes to Obama, but not when it comes to Palin. You don't have to explain it again, I got it.
StanW

The only thing you have is your head up Obama's ass, Vega. If it is OK to slam Palin's children, which you support, then Obama's family is OK too.
D-Vega

Did you just turn what I said around in order to blame me?
StanW

So one rule for Vega and an opposite rule for me, is that how this works. You want me to take Van Helsing to task for what you do daily?

You shoudl really look up the word hypocrite, Vega. You picture is most likely there!
Mr. EMT

Exactly what is it you are calling an attack?
In either event, I don't think anyone is responsible for the actions of any other adult.
In the situation you are referring to, your twisted logic has no relevance unless you can substantiate your claims with more than you have.
Mr. EMT

My point, that you missed, is that as extreme as I apparently am to the right, If i have not done what you accuse “right wingers” of doing, then no one standing on my left has either.
Mr. EMT

Better question, yes or no did Sara Palin actually accomplish anything that can be considered Good for the state of Alaska due to policies she initiated?

Has obamao?

Mr. EMT

Funny considering the left is reduced to vapid name calling with no substance.
The right judges obamao by his actions.
What was it here that the left got so upset about? She may have rolled her eyes?
You want us to start naming the things obamao has done that demonstrate his incompetency and unethical practices?
We have been doing it for 2 years now already and no one here seems to mind beating your thick empty head with them over and over.

UFKA_Smithwick

“She was expressing herself on private property (not hers but with permission). She has every right to express herself. “

Who said otherwise? BTW: brietbart was using his own property to express himself. I suppose you then have no complaints with anything ever posted there?

“I have seen comments on other sites confirming that she is indeed a teacher, but not confirmation from the school.”

So you trust blogs over the school? Um, ok.

D-Vega

Who said otherwise? BTW: brietbart was using his own property to express himself. I suppose you then have no complaints with anything ever posted there?

I don't really care about brietbart either way.

So you trust blogs over the school? Um, ok.

First of all, that's exactly what Mr. Huston, you all, and many others are doing. Taking blgo entries as fact and proof. Which they are not.

Secondly, I said I saw “comments” on other sites. I wasn't using them as proof. Otherwise, I would have said “Here's proof she is a teacher.”

Lastly, the school has not confirmed anything.

Mr. Huston said:
Mac'sMind did some digging and the only Kathleen Gustafson he could find connected to the Kenai Peninsula Borough School District works in the theater dept. as a tech.

Once again, another blogger says something and it's taken as fact.

Mac'sMind (whoever the hell that is) found a PDF which listed Gustafson as a member of staff.

It's didn't say she was a “theater tech”. It lists her as “Kathleen Gustafson, Theater Tech”, like it would “John Doe, Math”.

So it could be she is A theater tech, or a teacher under a new name for Drama Teacher.

I don't see why it's so important anyway.

UFKA_Smithwick

Out of curiosity: why did you bring up “her right” to say what she wants in defense of “what” she had to say?

The two are completely separate.

D-Vega

What did she say? That Palin was the worst governor? That she seeks celebrity?
UFKA_Smithwick

Doesn't really matter. Why did you bring up “her right” to say it in defense of what she had to say, in light of the fact that no one was denying her right to say exactly this?

It comes off as a strawman tactic.
D-Vega

Because she doesn't have a right to follow Palin around and badger her, even though it's free speech, or post that banner on someone else's property.

But in this case, the woman was fully within her rights.
UFKA_Smithwick

“But in this case, the woman was fully within her rights. “

Yes, and no one disputed that. Bringing it up implies someone was.

You can disagree with someone who is not breaking the law in any way, wouldn't you agree?
D-Vega

I would agree.
mightysamurai

It comes off as a strawman tactic.

That's probably because it is.
D-Vega

Not the main point, though.
mightysamurai

Too bad, because it's the only thing approaching an actual point in your entire post.

Without your pathetic strawman argument, you have no argument at all.

Mr. EMT

I thought about Joe when this story popped up.
In either event, I could care less if she is a college professor…
Oh wait, one of those got in the news relating to obamao recently.
Called a cop a racist, obamao backed him up by calling the cop stupid.

I am not impressed with the teachers of America as a whole these days.
And I totally missed the memo that said teachers are infallible creatures who are always correct.

D-Vega

The cop was being stupid.

Mr. EMT

The stupid was the President of the United States stopping his national press speech to make a comment attacking an individual citizen.
The stupid was anyone who gave a pass to the dumbass for doing it.
The Stupid was the college professor who thought he could be verbally abusive to a police officer and be uncooperative.
COnsidering that cop still has his job and obamao and the prof ended up with egg all over their faces I can see why you would think the cop was the stupid one, in your upside down world.

D-Vega

The President was asked about it and gave his response.

Also, you can be verbally abusive to a police officer in your own home when you haven't committed any offense. Offense meaning, breaking the law.
UFKA_Smithwick

Gates had to break down the front door.

If you're a 911 responder to a home invasion and you see a guy inside a house with the front door smashed down who immediately becomes beligerent is your first thought: clearly this guy lives here and is doing nothing wrong, better head back to the station?

If so you would be a terrible cop.

The police officer made the wrong decision if he had had all the facts available. But from what he knew he acted correctly.

And the president had no reason to get involved in that sort of matter at all.
D-Vega

Nice try. At the point when Gates was arrested, the officer knew very well that it was his house. It's not against the law to break into your own house.

So he had all the facts available, but still arrested Gates because of insults, which are not illegal.
coolczech

Actually he arrested Gates for disorderly conduct… but why let the facts stand in the way of your self-righteousness, D-Vega?
D-Vega

By doing what? What did the conduct consist of? Insulting the police officer. Which is why it was dismissed immediately.
mightysamurai

What did the conduct consist of?

Being loud and disorderly.

I don't know why you're not getting this, D-Vega. Disorderly conduct is a crime. Just because the department later decided it didn't want to go through the effort of pressing charges doesn't magically make disorderly conduct not a crime.
mightysamurai

At the point when Gates was arrested, the officer knew very well that it was his house.

He wasn't arrested for breaking into his own house, you silly man. He was arrested for disorderly conduct. Which, no matter how much you try to spin it, is still a crime.

Gates was warned TWICE by the officers (who at that point were outside his residence and were about to leave) that his behavior was becoming disorderly. He ignored both warnings and was therefore arrested.
D-Vega

If it was a crime, then why was it dismissed.

And according to the LAW, insulting a cop on your own property is not an offense.
mightysamurai

If it was a crime, then why was it dismissed.

Politics, mostly.

Plenty of crimes get dismissed for one reason or another. Just because a minor crime gets dismissed because the department doesn't feel like putting in the effort to deal with it doesn't mean it wasn't a crime.
D-Vega

No, samurai. It's because what Gates did was not a crime. If Gates was pulled over and was drunk, he would have been arrested and the charges would have remained, no matter the charges. Same if Gates would have assaulted the officer.
mightysamurai

It's because what Gates did was not a crime.

Yes it was, D-Vega. I know this may shock you but laws against disorderly conduct apply just as much to black people as everyone else.

StanW

The cop was doing his job and doing the best he could with a belligerent and abusive person.

Perhaps in your world, the cop should have stopped immediately upon noticing the pigment of the person's skin, apologized for being white, and left the property. Would that have been the SMART thing to do, Vega?

UFKA_Smithwick

But then he wouldn't have gotten a “free” beer with the president!
D-Vega

That in itself is a treat, no matter who is President.
D-Vega

The smart thing to do, once you know it's his house, that no crime has been committed, and he tells you to f*ck off, that you do just that.
StanW

Then why did Gates follow the officer outside and continue to berate him after the officer had tried to walk away, Vega? or does that not fit into your “racist cop targets black” narrative?
D-Vega

Still his property. No law broken.
StanW

Disorderly conduct, Vega.
D-Vega

Not against the law to tell a cop to f*ck off, Stan. That's why the charge was dismissed.
StanW

I don't know why the charges were dismissed and neither do you. I would guess it had less to do with the officers decision to arrest an unruly person that it did that Obama waded in to the fray and it would be a racial and PR nightmare for the police.

And before you start screeching, my explaination is just as plausable as yours.
D-Vega

It is. But the fact remains, the officer acted stupidly for arresting someone who was simply insulting him.
StanW

That is not a fact, Vega, no matter how often you and Obama say it.
Mahatma

Whoo-hoo last word stan! Let's keep this thing going until the columns a one letter narrow.
StanW

Piss off, Martha!
mightysamurai

Not against the law to tell a cop to f*ck off, Stan.

Which is why the charge on the police report says “disorderly conduct” rather than “insulting a police officer”.

mightysamurai

She was expressing herself on private property (not hers but with permission). She has every right to express herself.

Don't throw your back out beating on that strawman, D-Vega.

D-Vega

Why so focused on one statement that isn't even the main point of my post?

The main point of the post is the rightwing made assumptions (that she is not a teacher, but a singer in a drag queen band) and stated them as FACT.

Is it because you have no defense for it? Then just say so.

mightysamurai

Why so focused on one statement that isn't even the main point of my post?

Because the rest of your post didn't have a point. I could sum it up in one sentence.

“I don't really know wtf the real deal is here.”

That's all the rest of your post says. You said you've seen no proof that she's not a teacher, but you also admitted that you've seen no proof that she is a teacher. No reason to respond because no point is advanced.

You said you've seen random commenters on other blogs say “she's a teacher”, but you also admitted that the school has not confirmed that she's a teacher. Again, no point advanced, no reason to respond.

Then you went on about how “trivial” this whole thing is, though apparently it's still important enough for you to spend all day responding to replies to your original post. Still no point, still no reason to respond.

Oh, and then you lied and said Joe the Plumber wasn't a plumber. Technically that qualifies as a point, but I didn't feel like dealing with your bullshit three hours ago.

D-Vega

No, Stan. You misunderstood. The point is I found very quickly that the assertion in this blog was not fact-checked.
gfchicago

It was Mighty that you replied to not Stan.

baoxian

Just one more failure in the never-ending efforts of the left to smear Sarah Palin, now a private citizen.

The hilarious part is that they've turned her into a rallying point far more powerful than she ever would have been as a VP also-ran. Nobody gave a crap about Geraldine Ferraro the day after the 1984 election, but Palin has a bigger social media audience than most cable news shows and can single-handedly steer national policy debate.

Every one of these manufactured attacks just adds to her influence, and every time she defeats one the left becomes more outraged and irrationally angry.

Just look at vega, who used to be a respected opposition voice here but is now regarded as a joke, largely because of his knee-jerk Palin hatred.

D-Vega

The only one kneejerking here is the right, who is fiercely attacking this woman across the blogosphere because she expressed herself to Sarah Palin.

mightysamurai

Right. Because the left would never do anything like that.

*cough*JoeThePlumber*cough*

D-Vega

The situations are very similiar. It was pretty much irrelevant as to whether Joe was a plumber or not.

StanW

When someone on the Right goes through this teacher's private governmental files or searches past lawsuits of her's, come back and talk. Until then, STFU!
D-Vega

Here we go, blame someone else.
StanW

Just like you do, hypocrite!
D-Vega

You are on a roll today, Stan.
StanW

Waiting on your proof, Vega!
D-Vega

Proof of what, Stan? That you blame liberals for your own failings? There's plenty of proof of that.

Where's the proof that this woman is not teacher?
StanW

Where is the proof that she is, Vega?

And I am still waiting on your proof that you have taken your side to task for their treatment of Palin's children.
Dude

Go here and plug in “Gustafson Kathleen “

http://www.eed.state.ak.us/teachercertification…

She's a teacher.
StanW

No, she has a teaching certificate, DUDE. In order to be a teacher, you have to have a job as a teacher. Still no confirmation that her job as a theater tech is a teaching position.

BTW, did you follow the links and find out what her certificate covers? You may want to look at that as well.

Working at a school does not automatically make you a teacher.
Dude

Hmmm… Let me see now… She's employed at the Homer High School, has a teaching certificate issued by the State of Alaska…. and TEACHES Theatre Tech (yes, that is a class..)

Hmmm… let me think on this… Hmmmm…..

She's a teacher…..

Greg
StanW

All right until that last part. Show me a link where it says she teaches a class in Theatre Tech. So far, all I've seen is the fact that she IS a theatrer tech and the school being unable to confirm she is a teacher.

You sure are trying hard to cover for this woman, Dude.
Dude

LOL!! And it appears YOU are ignoring that which is plainly obvious. I suppose a janitor that works at Homer HS would also have to have a teaching certificate issued by the State of Alaska, eh?

No, you're wrong. She's a teacher. The State of Alaska says she is.
StanW

The state of Alaska says she has a teaching certificate. The School needs to confirm she has a teaching position. There are more positions at a school that do not teach. Many administrators have teaching certificates BUT DO NOT TEACH.

Try offering some PROOF, Dude, or whatever your other posting name was (crthns, is that you again?)
Dude

The State of Alaska says she's a teacher and certifies her as such. SHE said she is a teacher.

She told the truth.
Dude

Oh, BTW, the State of Alaska, on it's teacher certification website lists her as having a “Professional” teacher certificate. What is that? It's this:

PROFESSIONAL TEACHER CERTIFICATION

To qualify for a Professional certificate, an applicant must meet the following requirements:

Held an Initial Tier I certificate
Completion of a teacher preparation program
Approved Alaska Studies coursework
Approved Multicultural/Cross-Cultural Communications coursework
Recency credit (six semester hours of credit in the previous five years)
Passing scores on a content area exam

Verification of current employment in an Alaska public school district in a position requiring a certificate or fingerprint card submitted with application

Complete application and fees (All fees are non-refundable.)
The Professional certificate is valid for five (5) years and is renewable. To renew a Professional certificate, an applicant must meet the following requirements:

Recency credit (six semester hours of credit taken during the life of the Professional certificate being renewed. A minimum of three semester hours must be upper division or graduate credit.)

Verification of current employment in an Alaska public school district in a position requiring a certificate. If an applicant is not employed in this capacity at the time of renewal, fingerprint cards will be required.

Complete application and fees

http://www.eed.state.ak.us/teachercertification…

She's a teacher. End of conversation.
StanW

You may want to look again at her certificate, Dude. it is for elementary education, grade K-6. If she is working in a high school, it is in a position she is not certified to teach.

So either the high school is out of compliance for hiring her, or she is NOT A TEACHER!
StanW

BTW, did you look and see what her teaching certificate covers, Dude? You might want to.
mightysamurai

The situations are very similiar.

Except that, y'know, Joe was actually a plumber.
D-Vega

Look at Stan's post above, samurai. You can't plan better irony than that statement.
mightysamurai

Which one? The one where he says it's never been shown that she teaches any sort of class? The one where he points out that the school has never confirmed that she is anything more than a non-teaching theater tech?

Was that the post you were referring to, D-Vega?
StanW

Oooo, you really got me there, Vega. You ignored this thread all day, I posted that you would most likely avoid it all together, and you jumped in with a post. One might think I baited you into making a statement where you normally wouldn't. That makes you Pavlov's BITCH!

baoxian

“Expressed herself”? She had absolutely nothing substantive to say. She didn't complain about her oil revenue-sharing checks she got while Palin was in office. She didn't complain about the $7 billion surplus fund Alaska had in the bank when Palin left office. She said absolutely nothing concrete about Palin's performance as governor other than “it was bad”.

She just keeps bitching about Palin being a celebrity, and when Palin gets her off script, they just chat like normal people because this woman clearly is just staging an emotional protest rather than showing any real intellectual problem with Palin or her governance.

She's being attacked because she's a liar reading from a liberal script rather than expressing any genuine problem with Palin.

D-Vega

Still her opinion.

baoxian

Yeah, and if you express a shallow opinion maligning somebody else with no facts to back it up, you're going to get called out on it.

Nobody's saying she should be thrown in jail or made to shut up, just calling her a lying idiot.
D-Vega

The whole point of the original kerfuffle was the way Palin rolled her eyes at her when she said she was a teacher. It was taken as maligning her profession.
mightysamurai

Good thing she's not actually a teacher then.
whats_up

Actually she is Mighty had you bothered to look it up you would have found this out easily, the laziness of the right is astonishing.
StanW

Oh, you want some of this, crthns? Fine.

She has a valid teaching certificate in Alaska, where she is certified in elementary education, grades K-6. And she works in a high school.

So either the high school is out of compliance for their teachers, or she is lying and is not really a teacher.
mightysamurai

Contrary to popular belief, prayer and patriotism are not the last refuge of a scoundrel. “I have the right to an opinion” is.
D-Vega

True.
StanW

Said by the ass that has no proof that Kathleen is actually a teacher.

exodus2011

these LEFTIES are utterly deperate to try, somehow, someway, to reduce the influence of Big Mama Grizzly ….. they appear to be setting up 'chance' encounters in the hopes they can catch on video any kind of response that will hurt her with Mr and Mrs Middle America ….

… I heard the sad news about the death of fmr Sen Ted Stevens (AK) today …. the chances of being in an aircraft accident increase with the frequency of travel and the length of those journeys

Gov Palin is more and more involved with air travel to-and-from AK

Pray for her safety and that of her family …. I don't think there is 'anything' the most radical leftists will not try, to protect their power … (think untimely 'accidents' to Vince Foster et al)
JLJ

teacher outed herself with the 'your precious little Bible' snark.
Dude

So…. Let's recap.

1. Mrs Gustafson IS a teacher. She has been certified as a professonal teacher by the State of Alaska.

2. She is NOT a singer in a “Drag Queen Band”. She HAS appeared in a play given locally about a tranvestite singer. (She did not play the transvestite:.

3. She is employed by the High School in Homer Alaska and TEACHES Theatre Tech.

“The truth will out….”

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

1. True
2. True
3. Unproven, employed by the school, does not gaurantee that she's employed as a teacher. Untill the district confirms anything it's not fact but supposition.

Mahatma

Proof? When did that ever stop you from opening your pie-hole, nurses assistant?
Dude

“A camp for younger students ages 5-8 is taught in August by Kathleen Gustafson, who also directs “Hedwig and the Angry Inch.” ”

http://www.homernews.com/stories/062509/arts_18…

“Our inclusive recreation program would like to thank the following people and businesses for their generous donations: Rick at the Homer Ice Rink for promoting our sledge hockey equipment and helping spread the word that hockey is available to everybody; Wendall at Latitude 59 for giving us a coffee card and providing space for our often rambunctious, large group of game players; Mark at the Bowling Alley for accommodating our group of serious bowlers and saving us lanes each week; Steve at Ulmer’s for approving a discounted rental rate for our cross-country skiers; Melanie at Espresso Express for donating coffee cards; Bridget at Kate Kuhns Aquatic Center for donating swimming passes; and Kathleen Gustafson for directing our drama class with energy and patience. Homer has been generous and thoughtful. Thank you for your continued support.”

http://www.homernews.com/stories/013107/letters…

“In late July and early August, Noomah and Mastre’s next youth production will be directing an unpublished play by Mark Twain, “Is He Dead?” Also in August, Kathleen Gustafson will be teaching a camp for children ages 5-7. ”

http://www.homernews.com/stories/062310/arts_si…

She’s a teacher. She told the truth.

Dude

mightysamurai

She holds a teaching certificate. It has yet to be proven that she teaches any sort of class.
StanW

Her Teacheing certificate is in Elementary Education Grades K-6. She is not certified to work as a teacher at the high school level, yet that is where she claims to be teaching. So is the school ouit of complaince or is the teacher lying, Dude?

Moosefeathers

Nothing else to be said. The ideology that is founded on lies, exists on lies, and tries to perpetuate on lies, can use ONLY lies to try to undermine any opposition. So goes the Left's campaign to smear Palin. The Left is corrupt, morally, ethically, and their vision is that of darkness and chaos. All because they are based in lies.
Theopneustas

Why in the heck is everyone still attacking Palin? I mean come on, anyone can see that these on-going attacks only make you wonder why she has them so scared. And I don't mean because they think she is stupid.
Personally my input is leave her the hell alone! Holy crap! Liberal freaks like this look to attack her and then wonder why the rest of us think your a bunch of pathetic whining babies? BECAUSE SHE IS JUST LIVING HER PRIVATE LIFE BUT YOU WON'T LEAVE HER ALONE! DUH!
Palinfan

Liar or not — really — to roll your eyes and be all snotty Kathy when someone tells you they are a teacher???? Bad form.

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