Mr. Huston,

Wouldn't it be much simpler to only report on stories where Obama actually told the truth about something?

Obama lying on any subject is no longer news.

One wonders if the menu from Jefferson's dinner still exists in some mouldy box of records somewhere. The contents of that menu might shine a light of reality on how committed to the principles of iftar Jefferson was. Presence of dates in the appetizer course would surely be indicative of a commitment to iftar since that's the food item traditionally eaten first following Maghrib. Certainly, the presence of any non-halal foodstuffs on the menu would pretty well dispel the notion that Jefferson's dinner was indeed intended to serve as a celebration of iftar.

If eating late on Ramadan is an iftar does that mean anyone who eats dinner on passover is holding a Seder?

That would kill this site. There would be nothing at all to talk about, other than perhaps his off the cuff comments on the weather (maybe).

Seems like there is a lot of fibbing going around. Didn't Glen Beck recently get busted for lying about handling the original inaugural address of George Washington? Just sayin'.

I admit it – I have no idea whatsoever what your comment has to do with any of the ideas I presented in my original comment. Of course it really doesn't bother me all that much, since my expectations of your being able to engage in relevant discussion are pretty darn low. Much of what you post here is about your own agenda items, not about engaging in any sort of dialogue, and I'd warrant that this is just another one of them.

Cheers.

Very, VERY good comparison! *applause*

“Lie” is the root of “lieberal”, so did you really expect anything different?

This proves it's only a matter of time before we have Sharia law here in the States.

Nah, the dems will be out of power next election cycle, and Obama will only be a one-termer.

You'll have to wait a little longer I'm afraid.

Although I really don't get the desire so many liberals have to see this come to pass. You do know that they won't make exceptions for their useful dhimmis?

My statement was meant in reply to stanley. Apologies for the misplacement.

Ma'a Salaama

But even halal items wouldn't prove anything. That would simply mean he was being a polite host.

Providing a guest to your house with the foods to which he is accustomed is not the same as endorsing or even tolerating that persons religion. It simply means you take hospitality seriously, which is a good thing but hardly makes this the worlds largest muslim nation as Obama would like to claim.

Although I really don't get the desire so many liberals have to see this come to pass.

I don't know where the figments of your imagination come from either.

You do know George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are two different people, and we are not talking about Beck here?

Yes the double standard is interesting isnt it?

Oh if only you people were figments of my imagination. I would sleep better knowing you weren't real.

Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and now Barack Obama. Not much of a tradition that.

Kind of similar to that “tradition” of holding a breakfast for the National Day of Prayer that only George W. Bush made a yearly tradition while in the White House. Yet Conservatives howled when it wasnt done under Obama. Not much a tradition that.

Oh, so you're telling me that figuring out the right place to post replies is just one more thing you can't get right. I understand. It's tough keeping all those “big boy” things straight. Of course that doesn't quite explain your failure to use the edit function to rectify the circumstance, but we'll leave that topic for another day.

Probably from the noise that comes from Liberals when they classify anything and everything a Muslim does as “Religious Freedom”.

And it is hardly imagination, Pinko!

David Duke. Bush. 2004. Your lack of proof.

No Iftar Dinner! Sort of like the WMD-Iraq myth.

Not much difference between that and the laws that Evangelicals or Palin/Beck would want.

How so, Huron? Do Beck/Palin/Evangelicals call for honor killings or stoning or subjugation of other religions?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Eh, that's not really true. The point I was making was that people who think sharia is coming here are both paranoid and delusional. Palin or Beck advocate stoning for adultery. And any Evangelical who is off their rocker enough to ban dancing or whatever won't gain any larger traction here either, because the American people at large realize that they are teetering on the deep end as well.

But in over 200 years of a Christian majority in this country haven't proposed, passed, or even mentioned. H_Stupidity fails again.

“Kneecapping Barack Obama at every opportunity.”

Checkmate.

“On April 17, 1952, President Harry S. Truman signed a bill proclaiming a National Day of Prayer must be declared by each following president at an appropriate date of his choice.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Prayer

Do you revel in your stupidity and ignorance?

Racist fail!

You fail to differentiate between the idea of America becoming ruled by sharia law, when the reality is that there is an attempt to push sharia on Americans.

I don't think sharia will become a reality either.
I got too many bullets, same as a couple hundred thousand other people like me.

The phrase is 'figurative' not literal, IDIOT!!

EPIC FAIL!!! Again.

Didn't you recently comment about your belief that our troops deserve being killed by taliban and other “freedom fighters?”
Just sayin, your a Traitor.

“we have seen and held the authentic true copy of the original birth certificate, and here is a picture of it”

Checkmating yourself again and saving everyone else the work of even making an opening move.
Maybe you should actually learn how to play the game before presenting yourself as an authority. People might take longer than five seconds to realize what a drooling feeble minded slobbering retard you are.

Two key differences:

1) they aren't actually pushing hard for evangelical law like they are for sharia (already the de facto law in many regions of the western world) and 2) no one screams racism or bigotry when radical Christians get shut down by the law or protesters.

Protest a mosque = bigot.
Burn a church = freedom fighter.

Heh. So you think John follows Obama around whacking him in the knees with a blunt instrument or something?

I knew you were stupid, but I didn't think you were that stupid.

Thats ok, considering you have pieces of shit for brains, it is no wonder that you are unable to deal with reality, or as you call it, “figments of someone elses imagination.”

I would say you have your head in the sand to not be able to deal with reality with such an escapism mentality, but we all know where you keep your head buried. You enjoy the feeling of your rectum stretched around your neck too much to just bury your head in sand.

Where is the FBI? Or your “Canadian Soldier”?

Go back a hundred years and tell the average european that at some point in their future large enclaves of their various countries will be ruled over by muslims, police and natives will be afraid to go there for fear of being murdered, muslims will riot on a regular basis in their streets, and de facto shariah will be declared in those enclaves (as the police are unwilling to intervene and politicians too terrified of being labeled racist to mention the problem) and they would have laughed their asses off at you. You would be ignored as a paranoid delusional idiot.

You'd also be right.

So you think Americans are spineless and weak?

Duly noted.

Sadly we are very decent people actually. This is sad because it makes it easy for the left, with its total domination of the media and education, to manipulate the average american in to acting a certain way based on guilt. Evil people don't feel guilt, only good folks do, which is also one of our weaknesses.

It's how you got an otherwise good people to support affirmative action, and work against profiling in airports even though that has cost lives. It's the basis for the fight against enforcing immigration laws, and for rewriting history.

Europeans were once a fairly strong people, patriotic and willing to fight. It only took a few generations for your ideological kin to chip away at them.

Granted it will take longer here, and require more efforts and a unique approach. But it is certainly not impossible.

Your side of the aisle is.

Thank you, Mr. Huston, for pointing us to and summarizing the nice “story” in “Jihad Watch”. The writer of the Jhad Watch” article (Hugh) provides us with some backround on Sidi Soliman Melli Melli from the “Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia”. The “backround is indented, but without quotes, so I assume it is a quote from “Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia”. Does the indented backround info from the “Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia” say anything about Jefferson's dinner with Melli? NOPE, NOT A WORD! Here is what “Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia” says:

“Despite whispers regarding his conduct, Mellimelli received invitations to numerous dinners and balls, and according to one Washington hostess was “the lion of the season.” At the president's New Year's Day levee the Tunisian envoy provided “its most brilliant and splendid spectacle,” and added to his melodramatic image at a later dinner party hosted by the secretary of state.”

Next the “Jhad Watch” author apparently provides his own version of the Jefferson dinner for Melli during Ramadan in quotes below:

“He (Melli) replied that he could not come at the hour set, that is, at half-past three, but only after sundown.Jefferson, a courteous man, simply moved the dinner forward by a few hours.

He didn't change the menu, he didn't change anything else. And moving the dinner forward by a few hours hardly turns that dinner into a soi-disant “Iftar Dinner.”

Just how does the “Jhad Watch” writer know the details he claims? Any references? NOPE! Is the “Jihad Watch story” of Jefferson's dinner for Melli any better than Obama's? NOPE, It is just another “story”! Maybe just the “Jihad Watch” writer's IMAGINATION!

I am sure there was a store just down the street that sold halal foods, like dates. If not, Jefferson's head chef should have been able to properly slaughter a lamb and whip up some good ol halal food. If not, maybe he could have consulted one of the slaves who came from a Moslem father and still, despite being saved by Christianity, recalled Muslem customs.

Amazing how a story about the White House lying about Islam was morphed into an attack on Beck and Palin. You would think that just once the leftist imbeciles that post on this site would admit that it is wrong to lie. They sure didn't mind crucifying GWB event though they had no proof. However, when proof of the white house lying hits them right in the kisser, their only defense is to steer the conversation to Palin and Beck. What is pitiful bunch of losers and mental midgets. I've said it before and I will say it again. The mental midgets on this site are the direct result of the theft of our education system by the left. They spit out zombies that have no concept of truth, justice, and the American way.

So where's the proof that was an Iftar dinner per Jefferson? Neither Odrama, the Slimes, nor you have any proof that it was an Iftar.

“Mellimelli was in Washington during Ramadan, a month-long period in which Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset. To accommodate his guest’s religious obligation, Jefferson’s invitation to the President’s House on December 9 changed the time of dinner from the usual “half after three” to “precisely at sunset.” ” http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/Tunisian_Envoy

So the jihadwatch writer's 'story' is far more accurate than Odrama's since there is no mention of calling this an Iftar, or that anything else was changed about the dinner excepts it's time. Nice try fizzle, but there is NO evidence Jefferson hosted and Iftar dinner, none.

Excuse me, I didn;t say or imply anything about kneecapping Obama, nor does that have anything at all to do with religious oppression.

That is, unless you consider Obama your diety, Huron!

Wow, that's some weapons-grade stupid there, Canucklehead.

You're an idiot.

Uno.

Probably not, in either case. Lefticles are quite stupid after all.

It was part of Cold War politics, like adding Under God to the pledge of allegiance.

Cold War is over, jackass.

LOL

*golf clap*

Prove it!

As the definition of Iftar is: “A meal served at the end of the day during Ramadan, to break the day's fast. Literally, “breakfast.”

And as Thomas Jefferson expressly changed the timing of his usual meal for this exact purpose, the meal which Jefferson served was an Iftar.

Now, why can't we all be happy and sing “Tradition” from “Fiddler On The Roof”?

bthewolf, are you stupid or just ignorant. Notice I said “breakfast” at the White House. I am very aware of Truman signing a day for the National Day of Prayer. Obama has in his two years also signed two proclamtions for the National Day of Prayer, he just didnt have the breakfast at the White House. You do understand what breakfast is…

LMAO, Love it, LOVE.IT, keep it up birther, keep it up, makes you look more foolish every day.

What was served at the meal, Martha? Woudl it still be an Iftar if Pork was served? What if Jeffersons dogs were allowed to run through the house during the mean? Still an Iftar?

Do you seriously want to continue proving your idiocy to us all?

yep the good guys won

Did David Duke eat Breakfast with Bush in 2004?

Prove what? If it's not fgurative then somebody must have attempted it by now, it's not like that hasn't been up since late 2007!!! So where are those attackers with baseball bats???

Deflection fail.

Yeah I missed it.

But Odrama did nothing to honor the National Day of Prayer, aside from those proclamations. That's what we complained about, not just the missing breakfast.

So what, Presidents before him also had done nothing or almost nothing. In 8 years Reagan only held one event, in 4 years Bush the elder only one. Where is it madated that the President must hold an event outside of the proclamations?

I'm glad you've finally come around and admitted that the “No WMDs in Iraq!” meme is a total myth.

And . . . you can't prove it. That is all.

Using that sort of “logic”(?) every dinner served on the third (fourth this year) Thursday in November is a Thanksgiving meal, and any meal served on July 4th is a celebration of American Independence, and every dinner served on December 25th is Christmas dinner.

Have an Evil day

It was a “specific” meal, Evil, postponed and then presented at a specific time for a specific reason.

What if Allah came down and sat at the right hand of Jefferson and turned water into wine? What then – huh?

What if Achmed the Dead Terrorist and Bugs Bunny appeared in the flesh (and Bones) and told you to worship Sarah Palin as your one true God, what then… HUH?

Idiot!

It is all as possible as your first comment, stan. Idiot U indeed R.

I understand, Martha. You may go now.

That reason being “to have dinner with an Envoy.” His argument stands: ever meal eaten on Thanksgiving Dinner according to YOUR logic is a thanksgiving dinner

Given that Jefferson was a pretty big diplomatic type, he probably tried to keep the food along lines that the envoy could eat, but didn't make a special Muslim meal.

Did he? I don't watch Glen Beck, and he's not the president of the United States. You love and worship Obama but can't find fault with his lies, but some commenter somewhere says something you claim is wrong and you're all upset? Pathetic.

Proof, dumbass.

Otherwise, STFU.

Speaking of muslims, lifted from Ace of Spades HQ:

“One of the key players in Sharif El-Gamal's Mosque near Ground Zero is Egyptian born businessman, Hisham Elzanaty. Fox 5 News has learned exclusively and confirmed with Mr. Elzanaty’s attorney that Elzanaty made a “significant investment” in the development of the mosque near Ground Zero.

…

Fox 5 News has also learned that in 1999 Hisham Elzanaty sent money to an organization that would later be deemed by the U.S. government to be a terrorist group.

The organization was the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, also known as HLF. The now defunct group’s 1999 tax records show Elzanaty contributed more than $6,000 to HLF.

Two years later, in 2001, HLF was shut down by the federal government and designated as a global terrorist. After a mistrial in 2007, in 2008 five HLF leaders were convicted of providing material support to Hamas.”

Remember what Nixon said, these people have the right to build their mosque on their property. IF ANY FUNDS COME FROM TERRORISTS OR TERRORIST ENABLERS, BURN THE PLACE TO THE GROUND.

Sparky time.

No need to put quotation marks around Jihad Watch fiza, it's the name of a website that details all about the pagan religion islam.

Because the guest of honor wouldn't eat until then.

It would be kind of awkward to schedule a dinner when you know your quest will not be eating, kind of defeats the whole point of a dinner.

No different than rearranging your schedule around any other previously scheduled event.

If he had had a dentist appointment at that time and Jefferson moved the time out of consideration I wouldn't say that Jefferson worshiped dentists, or had any particular affinity for them.

Then I imagine our history would have turned out far differently.

“Checkmate”

Do you mean a literal checkmate? Because this isn't a game of chess.

Or is that an expression used to mean something other than the literal definition?

BHO loves to create revisionist history.

Zing!