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Are CCL Holders Dangerous? Columnist Thinks So

Written By : Warner Todd Huston

A blogger for the Roanoke Times wrote a recent blog post breathlessly informing his readers that contrary to “false claims” concealed carry permit holders have, indeed, been responsible for acts of murder and mayhem. Dan Casey presents the report issued by what he claims is the “nonpartisan” Violence Policy Center.

That report finds that seven policemen and forty-three civilians have been killed by concealed carry license holders. This is a horrible body count and no one can say otherwise.

Casey, for his part, is crowing about the “lies” of the “gun zealots” and seems quite pleased to find proof of this body count, however.

It’s gripping reading for anyone who cares about the truth. And it proves the falsity of gun zealots’ claim that nobody, nowhere, can ever point to an unjustified killing by a permit holder. It also undermines the notion that every CC permit holder is responsible and law-abiding.

So, let us review.

Casey presents us with the statistic of 50 deaths at the hands of CCL holders over the last two years. In those same two years there were about 60,000 some deaths using guns. That’s right, 50 versus 60,000. That is .08% of the total murders committed by CCL holders.

Considering how many CCL holders there are in the United States, is this a meaningful statistic? Each U.S. state that has concealed carry laws have thousands of such license holders, some several hundred thousand. That’s several million concealed carry permit holders across the country.

Again, out of those several millions of CCL holders, fifty have turned criminal with their guns. Fifty.

So, yes, it is wrong to say that no CCL holders have turned criminal with their firearms. OK. On that point Casey is right, there is no denying it.

But is it meaningful? Does this statistic somehow make all CCL holders dangerous? Is a .08 percent criminal rate among CCL holders meaningful as a point in favor of anti-gun advocates?

That is for you to decide.

http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

So if we eliminate CCL then criminals will just stop carrying concealed weapons? Well, why didn't I think of that?
tblrk2006

A more telling statistic would be to know how many crimes have been prevented by CCL holders just being in the right place at the right time.
tblrk2006

"So if we eliminate CCL then criminals will just stop carrying concealed weapons? Well, why didn't I think of that?

Posted by CavalierX

2009-09-08 10:54:27"

Yup, if us law abiding citizens will just hand over our guns….the criminals will follow step. haha

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." – Thomas Jefferson
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

It also undermines the notion that every CC permit holder is responsible and law-abiding.

Having said that, can this guy provide a detailed explanation on how removing guns from society will ever protect us, considering on how criminals never obey the law?

To the left, all we'll ever do is pass a law and somehow, society will become gun free. If it was that simple, why not simply pass laws prohibiting criminals from owning guns?

Oh wait…..
aharris

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Given that it's been shown that criminals who work in CCL areas sometimes hold off on their crimes just because they know about CCL, I'm not sure there's any way for the true number to be known although you could just count the ones that were directly thwarted by armed citizens.
tblrk2006

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-08 11:04:52

Lefties love to use the acts of a very small minority to justify their plans for everybody. Guns are great evidence of this. So is health insurance. 9-12 million people dont have insurance…..so lets fuck the rest of the 340 million.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I don't have a problem if this question is raised. What is annoying is this idiot doesn't compare this statistic with the number of people who have been saved by CCL.

Whatever happened to presenting the facts and letting the people decide?
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Having said that, can this guy provide a detailed explanation on how removing guns from society will ever protect us, considering on how criminals never obey the law?

Well, it's simple.

1. Pass a law making all guns illegal for private citizens to own.

2. Empower a large special police force to search private homes and persons for hidden guns on mere suspicion of gun-owning.

3. Pay informants, bug phones and computers and set up "sting" operations to entrap potential gun buyers.

4. Subject citizens' persons and homes to testing for powder residue on suspicion of gun ownership.

5. Err… where were we going with this again? We're still trying to get rid of all the guns.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Posted by CavalierX

2009-09-08 11:45:39

Well said but I would have recommended that you replace 2-5 with "then some bat-shit miracle happens." That would have save you a lot of typing time. ;-)

To the libs, every law passed is nothing more than a crap shoot.
Realpolitik

nothing more than a crap shoot.

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-08 12:07:29

Which is what we are trying to avoid.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Which is what we are trying to avoid.

Posted by Realpolitik

2009-09-08 12:33:16

In other words, you're admitting that the left never learns from its mistakes.

Keep talking, you're a great help to our cause.
Realpolitik

In other words,

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-08 12:39:56

It's interesting how your use of *other words* is always in error.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

It's interesting how your use of *other words* is always in error.

Posted by Realpolitik

2009-09-08 12:50:17

Keep squealing.
Realpolitik

Keep squealing.

Posted by Kingfisher

To say nothing of the incomprehensible non sequitur.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Well said but I would have recommended that you replace 2-5 with "then some bat-shit miracle happens." That would have save you a lot of typing time. ;-)

You mean like:

1. Take away all the guns from law-abiding citizens.

2. ???

3. Everybody's safe from criminals!
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Posted by CavalierX

2009-09-08 13:21:27

Very, very close. Change item 2 to "Hope-n-change" and you'll have a winner!
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

To say nothing of the incomprehensible non sequitur.

Posted by Realpolitik

2009-09-08 13:04:12

That describes all of your posts, Dildo.

Care to tell us why it's necessary to disarm law-abiding citizens?
airfr8er

If you go check out the blog post, the author Dan Casey is getting his ass handed to him in the comment section.
D-Vega

I actually support CCL.

Not to carry everywhere, but you should be able to carry on your person, in your vehicle and in your home.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Not to carry everywhere, but you should be able to carry on your person, in your vehicle and in your home.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-08 17:18:47

I agree. Only a few businesses have restrictions on CCW and they have the right to make it on their property. But on public lands or properties as well as your own property the choice cn and should be yours.
D-Vega

Yeah, wolf. It's not like it contradicts the principle behind gun control. After all, these are Conceal-Carry permit holders. Criminals don't apply for permits.

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