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Big Brother Bubba’s Ministry of Internet Facts
Written By : Warner Todd Huston

Bill Clinton wants the government to “correct” what you say on the Internet, folks. Should the government listen to the former panderer-in-chief, we’ll go from Big Brother to Big Bubba on the ol’ Internet tubes.

Bubba is not happy with what he claims is the “misinformation” on the Internet and he wants the force of government to stop it all. Politico is reporting that Clinton makes the proposal in an upcoming CNBC interview saying, “It would be a legitimate thing to do.”

No, Bubba, it would not.

Clinton says that the idea of having a government agency that “corrects” the “misinformation” on the Internet would be “independent” of government so it isn’t a traditional government agency. This, he feels would make it all A-OK with those fearing Big Brother government ministries of propaganda.

Again, Bubba, it would not.

How it is even possible to have an “independent federal agency,” is anyone’s guess. After all, the second such an agency came into being it would be controlled by the political body of Congress or a presidential administration. There is no way such an agency could ever be “independent.” In fact, even the appearance of impropriety is enough to discredit such an effort.

But Bubba insists.

“That is, it would be like, I don’t know, National Public Radio or BBC or something like that, except it would have to be really independent and they would not express opinions, and their mandate would be narrowly confined to identifying relevant factual errors” he said. “And also, they would also have to have citations so that they could be checked in case they made a mistake. Somebody needs to be doing it, and maybe it’s a worthy expenditure of taxpayer money.”

But isn’t that the rub? Whose “facts” will be presented? Will those facts be administered under the thumb of a fact-master like Clinton, Mr. “I did not have sex with that woman, Monica,” himself?

Veracity would be a word hard to associate with the BMF, the Bubba Ministry of Facts.

I am not saying there are no such things as facts. Certainly facts are facts, but what people think they can lead to is often ideological, philosophical, or driven by an agenda. There can be several ways to look at a fact and then extrapolate what that fact will “do” once put into play and that, after all, is the nub of politics — it’s even a root of human nature, for that matter. People’s perception of what facts mean will differ.

So, if we have this “independent federal agency” deciding what is the right and proper way to view the facts, what do we have? No less than a ministry of right-thinking. This amounts to propaganda. Period.

There is no official role for government to correct what people write on the Internet. Administrations, presidents, parties, individual politicians, they certainly have the role — no the responsibility — to let people know what facts and policies they think are best, but there is no role in government for any official fact-master.

This whole idea, however, is quite normal for liberals. Their fascist desire to shut people down, to use the mechanism of government to quash ideas liberals are not fond of, is a core belief motivating liberal thinking.

The fact is, it is up to we, the people, to learn the facts. As Benjamin Franklin is reputed to have said exiting the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, we have a republic “if we can keep it.” We are responsible to discerning the facts. It isn’t government’s role to lead us by the nose so.

Big Bubba is not an idea whose time has come. But it isn’t surprising that the anti-liberty left might propose such a thing.

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  • Anonymous

    “it isn’t surprising that the anti-liberty left might propose such a thing.”

    A lot of people wrongly believe that Clinton was a liberal. In truth he was a conservative Democrat, a DLC guy, who believed the country moved right when he ran. He reduced the size of government, revamped welfare as we know it, and was pretty much a fiscal conservative, who left the government in surplus with a ten year plan to shrink the National Debt. Then came your guy, Dubya, who went around tearing up dollars to give taxbreaks to the wealthy, increased deficits, and ballooned the National Debt in the spirit of Reagan.

    Yes but who cannot agree that he’s off base here..

    • Anonymous

      flagged for blatant lying. 

  • Anonymous

    “it isn’t surprising that the anti-liberty left might propose such a thing.”

    A lot of people wrongly believe that Clinton was a liberal. In truth he was a conservative Democrat, a DLC guy, who believed the country moved right when he ran. He reduced the size of government, revamped welfare as we know it, and was pretty much a fiscal conservative, who left the government in surplus with a ten year plan to shrink the National Debt. Then came your guy, Dubya, who went around tearing up dollars to give taxbreaks to the wealthy, increased deficits, and ballooned the National Debt in the spirit of Reagan.

    Yes but who cannot agree that he’s off base here..

  • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

    While the government shouldn’t have a role in this, there should be an organization, like FackChecker and Snopes, that proves whether something is true or not based on cited evidence.

    There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet, but at the same time stupid nonsense like Birtherism and Trutherism has been disproved again and again and people still believe the lies, so…

    • Martin Hale

      Vega, did it escape your attention that your were able to name two existing organisations which do exactly what you think needs to be done?  What I read between the lines in your comment is that somehow people should be forced to read those sites or the information at them should be forced on people.

      Who or what gives anyone the right to tell people what they “ought” to know?

      • Anonymous

         Well not exactly.

        Those sites he mentioned don’t have the proper . . . ideological purity to really root out republican lies and replace them with proper democrat lies.  

        • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

          I said nothing about any political ideaology.

          Are you afraid that the right-wing information is so corrupt with fabrications?

          • Anonymous

            Dan Rather can provide you with a prime example of political motivation and forged documents. 

          • Anonymous

            Dan Rather can provide you with a prime example of political motivation and forged documents. 

          • Anonymous

            Dan Rather can provide you with a prime example of political motivation and forged documents. 

          • Anonymous

             It’s implied. 

            Consider NPR: that is supposed to be some bastion of unbiased truth but it was turned in to yet another leftwing mouthpiece.

            Who says this will be any different? 

          • Anonymous

             BTW, you don’t actually believe that repeating over and over again that it will be unbiased makes it true?

            I will set up a federally funded truth in media organization.  They will be tasked with responding to any bias they hear in any media format.

            It will consist exclusively of Glenn Beck and will have no oversight whatsoever.

            You have a problem with that? 

            What, you like media bias and lies?

            Look at this guy, he’s pro-lying and pro-bias.  What a jerk. 

      • Anonymous

         Well not exactly.

        Those sites he mentioned don’t have the proper . . . ideological purity to really root out republican lies and replace them with proper democrat lies.  

      • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

        Freedom of the Press, for one.

        This is really the job of journalism, to make the facts clear.

        What Snopes and Factchecker do is debunk widespread viral rumors.

        What I am referring to is a regular fact-checking on every story. The media is simply not doing it right anymore. 

        • StanW

          The media does a fine job of fact checking every nuiance of a story… when it involves someone from the Right.

        • Martin Hale

          Did the media ever really do fact-checking or is that just some cherished delusion of days gone by there to keep you warm on cold winter days?  Before you launch into a lecturette, I’m at least partly joking about that.  Partly.

          But I’m still puzzled about why you’re calling for an organisation to be created for fact-checking when you yourself can name two organisations which already do that.  In my estimation, we could have a thousand such organisations and it still wouldn’t keep people who want to believe their own POV from believing the way they do, would it?  How many Birthers or Truthers that you know/have met who would have their minds changed by reading Snopes or FactChecker?  Of the ones I’ve met, I’d say zero.  So what if there’s some putatively “objective truth” out there if the people who most need to read it won’t read it?  If a fact falls in the forest…

          And that was one of the points I was making – who’s going to impose the “truth” on those who don’t want to listen?  Don’t people have the right to have their own opinions, or would you impose someone else’s “objective truth” on them no matter what?  It’s a big deal philosophical question, that.

          When I asked my question above, what I was getting at, and I don’t think you understood, was who gets to decide what you “ought” to know?  You’re contending that there’s always some objective truth out there, and from where I sit, that’s hardly the case. 

          Look at the recent killing of bin Laden – a dozen different people (people who’re on the same basic side, mind you) had very different stories to tell.  Is there an objective reality?  Yeah I suppose there is, but it’s not something we’ll ever know.  Even the helmet cam video only reflects what was in the field of view of the people with the helmet cams and doesn’t portray a completely objective truth of the whole event. 

          It seems to me that the tricky part in what you propose is that all people and organisations come with biases and points of view.  So even your “fact-checkers” are going to put a slant on their stories, or show their slant in which stories they cover and which they don’t. 

          So then the question remains – whose truth shall reign supreme?  (To be said in the grand style of the original Japanese Iron Chef please)

          And BTW, if Freedom of the Press has any bearing on this issue, it’s on the side of people being able to publish their own view of the truth, not some pre-digested central truth according to some fictitious fact-checker. That’s the essence of Freedom of the Press isn’t it?

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

            News orgs used to have extensive departments that did that. But budget cuts meant they were downsized. It’s why media is being fooled by hoaxes and such.
            Stupid people like to wallow in their stupidity. But there’s nothing wrong with an organization whose purpose is to get all the facts right. Factchecker and Snopes only handle certain widespread rumors and email hoaxes.
            People can have their own opinions. But there is only one truth. There is a set amount of facts on any given issue. You can still base your own opinion given those facts, but you can’t make-up your own facts and say you are entitled to them.

            And BTW, if Freedom of the Press has any bearing on this issue, it’s on the side of people being able to publish their own view of the truth, not some pre-digested central truth according to some fictitious fact-checker. That’s the essence of Freedom of the Press isn’t it?

            No, that is the essence of freedom of speech. You don’t have the right to publish lies as fact and say you have the right to them. That’s at very best yellow journalism. At worst libel. 

          • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

            News orgs used to have extensive departments that did that. But budget cuts meant they were downsized. It’s why media is being fooled by hoaxes and such.
            Stupid people like to wallow in their stupidity. But there’s nothing wrong with an organization whose purpose is to get all the facts right. Factchecker and Snopes only handle certain widespread rumors and email hoaxes.
            People can have their own opinions. But there is only one truth. There is a set amount of facts on any given issue. You can still base your own opinion given those facts, but you can’t make-up your own facts and say you are entitled to them.

            And BTW, if Freedom of the Press has any bearing on this issue, it’s on the side of people being able to publish their own view of the truth, not some pre-digested central truth according to some fictitious fact-checker. That’s the essence of Freedom of the Press isn’t it?

            No, that is the essence of freedom of speech. You don’t have the right to publish lies as fact and say you have the right to them. That’s at very best yellow journalism. At worst libel. 

          • Martin Hale

            Vega, there’s already a well-established mechanism for people to obtain relief when someone publishes lies about them – it’s a libel suit.  That’s been our legal and editorial regulatory tradition since the beginning.  As a publisher, you’re free to publish anything you’re willing to defend yourself over in court.  If you don’t think you can defend what you want to publish, then don’t publish it.  Simples.

            Sure, if a paper or magazine or website publishes a factually wrong point, they have an affirmative obligation to publish a retraction or correction.  And most do on a regular basis.

            If people publish egregious lies about someone else, lies which extend beyond the reasonable and customary retraction and correction process, it’s a safe bet they’ll get sued.  Because that’s how we Americans have chosen to handle such matters.

            By all rights, if things were as dire as you imply they are, our courts should literally be chockablock with libel cases, no?  I mean what with all those heinous lies you say are being published all the time.  But are the courts chockablock with libel cases?   Hardly. 

            That tells me that it’s not as bad a problem as you suggest it is.

          • Martin Hale

            Vega, there’s already a well-established mechanism for people to obtain relief when someone publishes lies about them – it’s a libel suit.  That’s been our legal and editorial regulatory tradition since the beginning.  As a publisher, you’re free to publish anything you’re willing to defend yourself over in court.  If you don’t think you can defend what you want to publish, then don’t publish it.  Simples.

            Sure, if a paper or magazine or website publishes a factually wrong point, they have an affirmative obligation to publish a retraction or correction.  And most do on a regular basis.

            If people publish egregious lies about someone else, lies which extend beyond the reasonable and customary retraction and correction process, it’s a safe bet they’ll get sued.  Because that’s how we Americans have chosen to handle such matters.

            By all rights, if things were as dire as you imply they are, our courts should literally be chockablock with libel cases, no?  I mean what with all those heinous lies you say are being published all the time.  But are the courts chockablock with libel cases?   Hardly. 

            That tells me that it’s not as bad a problem as you suggest it is.

        • Martin Hale

          Did the media ever really do fact-checking or is that just some cherished delusion of days gone by there to keep you warm on cold winter days?  Before you launch into a lecturette, I’m at least partly joking about that.  Partly.

          But I’m still puzzled about why you’re calling for an organisation to be created for fact-checking when you yourself can name two organisations which already do that.  In my estimation, we could have a thousand such organisations and it still wouldn’t keep people who want to believe their own POV from believing the way they do, would it?  How many Birthers or Truthers that you know/have met who would have their minds changed by reading Snopes or FactChecker?  Of the ones I’ve met, I’d say zero.  So what if there’s some putatively “objective truth” out there if the people who most need to read it won’t read it?  If a fact falls in the forest…

          And that was one of the points I was making – who’s going to impose the “truth” on those who don’t want to listen?  Don’t people have the right to have their own opinions, or would you impose someone else’s “objective truth” on them no matter what?  It’s a big deal philosophical question, that.

          When I asked my question above, what I was getting at, and I don’t think you understood, was who gets to decide what you “ought” to know?  You’re contending that there’s always some objective truth out there, and from where I sit, that’s hardly the case. 

          Look at the recent killing of bin Laden – a dozen different people (people who’re on the same basic side, mind you) had very different stories to tell.  Is there an objective reality?  Yeah I suppose there is, but it’s not something we’ll ever know.  Even the helmet cam video only reflects what was in the field of view of the people with the helmet cams and doesn’t portray a completely objective truth of the whole event. 

          It seems to me that the tricky part in what you propose is that all people and organisations come with biases and points of view.  So even your “fact-checkers” are going to put a slant on their stories, or show their slant in which stories they cover and which they don’t. 

          So then the question remains – whose truth shall reign supreme?  (To be said in the grand style of the original Japanese Iron Chef please)

          And BTW, if Freedom of the Press has any bearing on this issue, it’s on the side of people being able to publish their own view of the truth, not some pre-digested central truth according to some fictitious fact-checker. That’s the essence of Freedom of the Press isn’t it?

    • StanW

      …and then what organization makes sure that FackChecker and Snopes are telling the truth, Vega?

      And who makes sure that organization is telling the truth?

      And since this question always must be asked in relation to Liberals, who gets to decide what is the truth?

    • Anonymous

      “There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet,”

      True, but we have to let NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and all the liberal newspapers maintain their websites out of fairness.

      • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

         Don’t forget Fox News.

    • Anonymous

       ”While the government shouldn’t have a role in this, there should be
      an organization, like FackChecker and Snopes, that proves whether
      something is true or not based on cited evidence.”

      So there should be an organization . . . like the two currently existing ones you mentioned . . . to deal with the problem of not currently having any such organizations in existence?

      “There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet, but at the same time
      stupid nonsense like Birtherism and Trutherism has been disproved again
      and again and people still believe the lies, so…”

      There are a lot of lies on the news as well.  Who was there to fact check Dan Rather when he blatantly lied about Bush?  But I didn’t see yall pulling your hair out over that.

      Only certain lies need to be refuted.  Others need to be propagated.  The whole point of this is to create yet another propaganda source for the dems. 

      Don’t you have enough already?

      • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

        Telling the truth about an issue is not propaganda.
         

        • Anonymous

           Telling half the truth and selectively correcting people is propaganda.

          Republican and democrat get caught in cocaine fueled gay orgy.

          Headline: republican caught in cocaine fueled gay orgy.

          Is it false?

          No, technically it is true.

          Does it present a bias?

        • Anonymous

           Telling half the truth and selectively correcting people is propaganda.

          Republican and democrat get caught in cocaine fueled gay orgy.

          Headline: republican caught in cocaine fueled gay orgy.

          Is it false?

          No, technically it is true.

          Does it present a bias?

    • Anonymous

       ”While the government shouldn’t have a role in this, there should be
      an organization, like FackChecker and Snopes, that proves whether
      something is true or not based on cited evidence.”

      So there should be an organization . . . like the two currently existing ones you mentioned . . . to deal with the problem of not currently having any such organizations in existence?

      “There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet, but at the same time
      stupid nonsense like Birtherism and Trutherism has been disproved again
      and again and people still believe the lies, so…”

      There are a lot of lies on the news as well.  Who was there to fact check Dan Rather when he blatantly lied about Bush?  But I didn’t see yall pulling your hair out over that.

      Only certain lies need to be refuted.  Others need to be propagated.  The whole point of this is to create yet another propaganda source for the dems. 

      Don’t you have enough already?

    • Bill Dalasio

      Nah.  A lot of matters in politics aren’t really about true or false, but how you define your terms.  The legitimacy of an accusation can depend on what the definition of “is” is.  :-P 

  • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

    While the government shouldn’t have a role in this, there should be an organization, like FackChecker and Snopes, that proves whether something is true or not based on cited evidence.

    There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet, but at the same time stupid nonsense like Birtherism and Trutherism has been disproved again and again and people still believe the lies, so…

  • http://www.vega.com Vega – NY’s Smart Sexy Liberal

    While the government shouldn’t have a role in this, there should be an organization, like FackChecker and Snopes, that proves whether something is true or not based on cited evidence.

    There are simply too much bullshit on the Internet, but at the same time stupid nonsense like Birtherism and Trutherism has been disproved again and again and people still believe the lies, so…

  • Anonymous

    “except it would have to be really independent and they would not express
    opinions, and their mandate would be narrowly confined to identifying
    relevant factual errors” he said. “And also, they would also have to
    have citations so that they could be checked in case they made a
    mistake.”

    We have that already. It’s called Wikipedia. And it was created without the government spending billions of dollars or censoring anybody.

    But leave it to Bill to suggest creating a government agency devoted to maintaining liberal lies.

    • Toastrider

       Even Wikipedia is prone to ideological biases, but at least they’re upfront about it (after all, ANYONE can edit it).

    • Toastrider

       Even Wikipedia is prone to ideological biases, but at least they’re upfront about it (after all, ANYONE can edit it).

  • Anonymous

    So an internet version of NPR.  An extremely leftwing source that is federally funded and pretends to be unbiased?

    What’s the matter Bill, worried that the leftwing media no longer has the monopoly it once did? 

  • Anonymous

    So an internet version of NPR.  An extremely leftwing source that is federally funded and pretends to be unbiased?

    What’s the matter Bill, worried that the leftwing media no longer has the monopoly it once did? 

  • Anonymous

    I think this is a wonderful idea. We should call the agency “The Ministry of Truth”.

  • Toastrider

    I see that Bill is still bitter about the Drudge Report tagging him over his rather sordid encounters with Monica Lewinsky.

  • Toastrider

    I see that Bill is still bitter about the Drudge Report tagging him over his rather sordid encounters with Monica Lewinsky.

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