Corzine doesn't need anyone's money. He is stinking rich.

"Can't you guys get new boogeymen?"

Yeah, not as fun now that your precious Dems are getting exposed for their corruption and incompetence, is it? I'm sure you'd like us to forget about your money man and thugs on the ground.

Today is the beginning of the end for your ideology vega, deal with it.

But Soros? ACORN? Can't you guys get new boogeymen?

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 09:53:14

Why, of COURSE you want us to ignore Soros and ACORN, D-Vega. They are currently active and trying to pervert the political process in Obama's favor. If we would just stop worrying about them, they could do the job you want them to.

Meanwhile, a few threads down, another Liberal is telling us that the current financial crisis was caused BY RONALD REAGAN. Maybe you could drop down and tell HIM that he needs to find a new boogeymen!

Vega, get a clue.

NY-23 is important to TEAist Conservatives because it will prove that it's possible to buck the Republican establishment with an outside cadidate and win. If the conservative movement is strong enough to get one outsider elected, then it's strong enough to get others elected in other places … possibly even into the White House whether or not the Republican party decides to help.

I would admit this became more of a drama than I thought it would, but not because of the Dem vs. Rep angle, but because of the Rep vs. itself angle.

NY-23 is important to TEAist Conservatives because it will prove that it's possible to buck the Republican establishment with an outside cadidate and win.

That is important. I would agree that it is important to the conservative base. But I would warn against breaking out the bubbly in a race that the conservaitve candidate is suppose to win.

If it doens't mean anything Vega, why are you arguing so forcefully?

I never thought the rep candidate would drop out, so it became a lot more interesting.

And Corzine being this close in a blatantly liberal state after Barry carried it 12 months ago?

Right before the election, the right was harping about how Obama could lose New Jersey. I know people in New Jersey don't like Corzine, and New Jersey has some of the weirdest politics around. Still, Corzine will win easily.

Perhaps political discussion is above your paygrade Vega, sort of like Afghanistan is above the One's.

Oh please, that's the other flavor of the month myth. After Bush dithered for months on Iraq and only changed policies and SecDefs after he was pummelled in a mid-term election.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 10:30:08

Yet Obama refuses to make important decisions about Afghanistan, putting off the troop request until, what exactly is he waiting for? The ok from Ko$ or Soros? Another date night with Michelle? Tonights results from the elections? He puts of meeting with the head US general over there to play more golf that Bush did in 8 years? Real good prioritizing there by the TOTUS.

Thanks for playing.

Mike, the failure of a healthcare reform bill and rising unemployment are the real problems, I admit.

No matter how this particular election goes, rising unemployment is THE issue for the Dems and Obama.

Obama wets his pants trying to make a decision on Afghanistan,

The CinC can take as long as he feels he needs. He doesn't take orders from the generals, its the other way around.

I remember a time where the right continuously harped that the policy in Iraq was working, that it just needed more time. That certain generals were wrong about their estimates. And then one bad election changed that. Bush took his time (about 3 years) to make that determination. While U.S. soldiers and Iraqis died. Yet you won't even give Obama one year to make a determination on Af-Pak. Which is clearly different than Iraq.

If Obama, Rahm, Bill Clinton, and a grevious mistake by the GOP can't win this seat for the Dems, it will be a signal to Congress that Obama's radical leftist agenda really is toxic and that they're going to lose their seats if they push forward.

You're saying that if the Dems don't win a seat they've never had in recent history, one that Reps have held from more than 100 years, one of the last Rep seats in the region, that the entire national liberal agenda is done & over with?

You putting your pot all in, I guess. That could mean a big win. It also could leave you buttnaked & beaten in an alley.

You ought to read up on the situation before making comments instead of spouting spoon-fed talking points

I live in NY, Cav. I have been following this since McHugh was selected. What's your friggin' point? Or are you just getting angry because I am pissing in the cornflakes?

Of course the Dems want a shot at the seat. But that's a GAIN. They are not DEFENDING squat here. You can stand on your head and stomp your feet, it won't change the facts.

Hussein chose McHugh "knowing" that the seat would be held either by the ACORN-backed Democrat candidate, or the ACORN-backed Republican candidate.

Sheesh, and here I thought the GOP chairman was "ACORN-backed" as well.

It must be easy to blame ACORN for every failure. Nevermind that the NY GOP has been corrupt from top to bottom and nearly extinct in the entire region, with no Republicans in New England at all. You can't blame ACORN for the former State Senate GOP leader being on trial for bribery.

hat's why NY_23 is so important. Once again, you show yourself to be a buffoon, ignorant of the issues, history and facts.

Just keep in mind the actual reality – you should win this seat, you losing this seat is more of a monumental failure than the Dems failing to capture this seat.

"I would say it is more of a test for the GOP than the Dems, if they cant keep a seat that they have controlled for over 100 years then they have a serious problem."

The GOP does not have a candidate in the NY-23 race, you imbicile.

Conservatism is going to win today. You idiots are stuck cheerleading for partisan politics while we own you on the issues. That's why you're going to lose.

"Just keep in mind the actual reality – you should win this seat, you losing this seat is more of a monumental failure than the Dems failing to capture this seat."

Lowered expectations: the hallmark of the Obama Presidency.

Actually what I was saying in that other thread is that the policies of Reagan led inevitably to the financial collapse.

This us why what happened is widely known as the end of the Reagan era.

Someone is concerned about these elections. Vega, you can go on being unconcerned.

Posted by Dick_Nixon 2009-11-03 11:02:08

Dick_Nixon, this is typical D-Vega "Because I said so" bullshit! He is acting the party hack and trying to dismiss this as a nothing of an election; but only because he sees the failure of the Left to capitalize on this situation.

You know (as does he and his 'little bitch' whats_up) that if this were a Democrat sure-thing, he would be crowing to high heaven of how this NOTHING of a race spells the doom of the Right and the ascention of Obama to his rightful place as the political diety in our age!

Lowered expectations: the hallmark of the Obama Presidency.

You must have forgotten that Obama is still playing with the house's money.

that Obama is still playing with the house's money.

That would be the people's money he has wasted on Porkulus, Cash for Unions, and this BS healthcare plan, and the proposed Raise Utility Bills by 20% plan of his. Thanks for that tripling the budget deficit in six months and 16% actual "funemployment" as you liberals call it. Ever since January of 2007 the economy in this country has gone in the shitter. What happened that month? Oh yeah, the left took the purse strings.

Conservatism is going to win today.

That's what's scaring the living crap out of Vega and jackass.

Conservatism is going to win today. You idiots are stuck cheerleading for partisan politics while we own you on the issues. That's why you're going to lose.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 10:56:58

I would be careful of your political predictions there Mike, hasnt worked out well for you the last couple of times now has it?

That this race proves there is no difference between the two parties, and your attempt to cast it as a "Dem-vs-Rep" race is futile — especially as there is no Republican candidate in the race.

That's always the excuse, Cav. Whenever your side loses, either the person was not conservative enough (which logically doesn't make sense) or there was some vast left-wing conspiracy.

"You must have forgotten that Obama is still playing with the house's money."

Yeah, and he's down $1.2 trillion. Great to see you liberals still think that's funny. I don't think the voters are going to be as willing to give him a mulligan on that one though.

Any resident liberal want to bet that, yet again, the Democrats will continue their unbeaten record of increasing their vote margin in 100% of every close election AFTER election day? Again I ask, how does this happen when it is mathematically impossible?

"I would be careful of your political predictions there Mike, hasnt worked out well for you the last couple of times now has it?"

I was dead on in predicting the Porkulus bill would only raise unemployment. Right, vega? So right that I wagered changing my login to "Mike_M_was_wrong" without asking for or being offered a counterwager by vega or any of the other libs.

Care to place a little bet on today's results, whats_up?

Care to place a little bet on today's results, whats_up?

That is really the heart of this issue. The right has needed some good news for a long, long time. So they picked a race that they should win, so they can then claim that this is some sort of "insurgency". Rally the base. It's like liberals saying Corzine winning in New Jersey is an affirmation of liberalism and Obama's agenda. Liberals are supposed to be afraid of the right desparately holding onto a seat, while Dems are closer than they have been in a century? You must be sniffing some Vick's like Glenn Beck.

I don't know where you got that. Republicans have held the seat for more than 100 yrs.

He didn't say Republican. He said Conservative. Quit trying to duck and dodge. There is no difference between Liberal Republicans and Democrats, and frankly we'd all be better off if they all joined the party they truly believe in anyway.

So they picked a race that they should win

Conservatives have never won in NY-23, and had no chance whatsovever to do so until Fred Thompson and Sarah Palin stepped in to endorse Hoffman. The race was between a Liberal Republican and an even more Liberal Democrat. The Right had no chance of winning that district… or so Hussein and the rest of you Leftists thought.

Conservatives have never won in NY-23

Where are you getting this from, Cav? I know you can make the argument against Fonzi, but I havn't seen the voting records of this district for the past decades, have you? I think you are parroting some talking points here. A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one. Have you any proof to the contrary?

A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one.

And with this statement you render yourself an idiot or a liar. Which is it?

Going from a RINO to a conservative is enough for us.

Well, I can see that. But when your idealogy has consistently failed for the past few elections, I can see why.

Your frantic posting on this issue betrays how important it really is to you liberals.

Frantic posting? A reality check is now frantic to you? Stating the obvious?

Or are you calling Bill Clinton a liar?

Clinton was saying what he needed to in order to pump money into the race. Of course the Dems would relish winning this seat in a down election year. But it would still be a net-positive either way. The right losing this seat would be crushing. It's FARRRR more important to the right than it is to the left.

If Hoffman wins, your agenda is dead. It's that simple.

That made me laugh out loud. Famous last words.

Congress will bail on Obamacare and Cap and Trade and all they'll have to point to in 2010 is blowing $1.2 trillion and Obama's vacations and rounds of golf.

Don't forget the Grade A weed and the new mosque being built in the Black House.

Where are you getting this from? Once again, you deliberately try to confuse Republican with Conservative.

I can make general assertions too, Cav. You said a conservative has never won NY-23. You could be right, but that is a pretty big statement.

Mind you, reader, the party that has won the Presidency has lost the Virginia governorship right after for every period for the past 32 years.

"Can I get a HELLLL YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Dancing Snoopy is getting queued up in the server right now.

The Dems internal polling must be grim. None of the network or cable news sites (save Fox) are leading with election news or coverage.

An absolute disaster? Are you friggin serious?

That's right, ignore the drumbeat coming from over the horizon. Keep whistling past the graveyard. It'll be all right… you'll still get your socialized medicine…

It'll be all right… you'll still get your socialized medicine…

I know.

"Do you really want to scrutinize your predictions Mike?"

LOL…if you're not confident enough in the Dems to put something on the results, just say so. Come on, make me an offer. I dare you.

elections, shmlections! it don't mean nothin!

Try to win some first. Before you start gloating.

Try to win some first.

Can you not smell the stench of defeat emanating from VA?

Try to win some first. Before you start gloating.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:23:10

We have, D-Vega, and we will again.

Only a fool (LIKE YOU) would gloat and crow over a few election victories.

Can you not smell the stench of defeat emanating from VA?

Well, the guy has been behind in double digits for weeks. That one has been lost. Tim Kaine can't run again as the incumbent. Wow. You got one!

Only a fool (LIKE YOU) would gloat and crow over a few election victories.

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:32:51

I'd call that a prediction, D-Vega. As opposed to you and others like you that think since Liberals have won a couple of time that the Right is dead and done. The pendelum (sp?) will swing back. And we will all enjoy the shocked expressions on your face.

The pendelum (sp?) will swing back. And we will all enjoy the shocked expressions on your face.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 12:37:04

It always does Baud, it always does, as conservatives were reminded, perhaps you should keep that in mind for when you actually do get back in power, that the pendelum will swing back again as it always does.

NY-23 will go to the conservative candidate, as it has for the past 136 years.

No Conservative Party candidate has ever held that seat as far as I can tell. Please share with us the name of the last Conservative Party Representative from that district, or at least the last Conservative Republican. Thanks.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 12:45:06

Don't badger him cav, those goalposts are heavy.

How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop?

How's that unemployment rate dfoing; I thought that was never going to reach 8%?

"How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop?"

Dow is at 9763.

It was 9749 the day Obama took office.

Porkulus bill cost us $700 billion.

Obama has spent $50,000,000,000 per point increase in the stock market.

Still wanna brag about that one?

Still wanna brag about that one?

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 12:52:22

Yep, it is still high, having topped the 10,000 mark twice allready. yet it was conservatives who said that Obama taking office would tank the stock market, then it was that the TARP would tank it, then increased spending and inflation, what happened there? And yes it is higher than when he took office, and much higher than when he got elected. Thanks for admitting that you were wrong on that one Mike.

Then take that advise to heart, 'little bitch', as it is you and D-Vega that are claiming some special knowledge about elections because you have won a few.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 12:48:23

Really, then please point to our predictions of these elections, oh thats right we havent made any.

"Experts agree that if nothing is done, the unemployment rate could reach double digits," Mr. Obama said in a January 24 radio address. "If we do not act boldly and swiftly, a bad situation could become dramatically worse." The same month, his economic advisors released a report saying that, without the stimulus, unemployment would hit around 8.5 percent by April 2009, and 7.8 percent with it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/18/business/…

"Thanks for admitting that you were wrong on that one Mike."

Yep, Obama wastes $50 billion per market point and I'm in the wrong. You sure got me there.

Nice to see proving me wrong is more important to you than a hideously inept President that wastes trillions of dollars.

Really, then please point to our predictions of these elections, oh thats right we havent made any.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 12:56:42

Well, here are D-Vega's Predictions.

I know what to expect here, Baud.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:41:10

You, on the other hands, are too much of a chicken-shit to actually make a direct statement. You'd rather just compliment D-Vega on his stupidity while displaying your own hypocrisy.

Isn't is about time for you to run away again… LITTLE BITCH!

You, on the other hands, are too much of a chicken-shit to actually make a direct statement. You'd rather just compliment D-Vega on his stupidity while displaying your own hypocrisy.

Isn't is about time for you to run away again… LITTLE BITCH!

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 13:02:21

My apologies, Vega made his predictions, I on the other had learned a long time ago to not try and predict politics, usually you end up looking like an ass, kind of like you conservatives the last presidential election.

No Conservative Party candidate has ever held that seat as far as I can tell. Please share with us the name of the last Conservative Party Representative from that district, or at least the last Conservative Republican. Thanks.

Well, that would be John McHugh, the previous congressmen from that very same district. A lifetime rating of 71 from the American Conservative Union.

That was pretty easy. I am sure if I could find an analysis of the congressperson from this district they would clearly be conservative, but there's proof very easily.

I'll await the excuses now that he wasn't 100 ACU, or some other crap that falsely discredits him.

Regarding the "Conservative Party", who gives a damn? The NY GOP has imploded and that's why the CP candidate has a chance. In a perfect world, Hoffman would have ran against FozzyBear in the primaries.

usually you end up looking like an ass, kind of like you conservatives the last presidential election.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:05:25

What are you talking about? We said the Liberal was going to win the Presidency. Regardless of whether it was Obama or McCain, we were right!

Oh so now Obama has wasted $700 billion AND caused the market to go down? How is it even possible to piss that much money away without causing some kind of economic growth even by accident?

The Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for pointing that out.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 13:08:13

Mike,

You seem to be suffering from a serious lack of mathimatical skill, lets try this again. Obama takes office Jan. 21, 2009, the market sits at 7949, today it is at 9759, Mike that means the market went up not down like you predicted.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 13:19:19

Unemployment and the deficit are up, as is the National Debt. The value of the dollar is down, and energy is heading back up. TOTUS is on a roll isn't he.

Posted by Dick_Nixon

2009-11-03 13:22:09

And the economy is growing finally, stock market is up, new home sales are up, manufacturing are up. Yes it is a good step toward recovery, good thing Obama brought us back from the brink, it was touch and go there for awhile.

Regarding the "Conservative Party", who gives a damn?

Nobody. There's no such thing. Just go about your business and ignore this whole "NY-23" kerfluffle. We just made it all up to screw with your head. Have a good one!

Yes it is a good step toward recovery,

Nixon guesses the exploding deficit, rising unemployment, and increase in the national debt are signs of recovery. Where are the jobs? Non government jobs that is.

And the economy is growing finally, stock market is up, new home sales are up, manufacturing are up.

Unemployment rate: 9.8%. The rest of it is either immaterial or artificial (like car sales being up during the "cash-for'clunkers" deal).

Ah the backtracking begins, actually conservatives said that Obama wouldnt win, even Rush predicted that Pennsylvania was going for McCain. We see how those predictions worked out for the right, but feel free to continue making them, it makes it more fun.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:21:08

It never ceases to amaze me how a single person's words are taken by idiots like you to represent the entire Right.

There were some who said that Obama would loose and some who said he would win. The vast majority of Conservatives said that it made little difference who won, as we would be getting a Liberal in the White House regardless.

I have no problem with people making predictions, whats_up. What I am taking issue with is you and D-Vega denegrating predictions from the Right (which are just as valid as your predictions) by talking about who won the last election, as if that give you some special insight into all things political.

You still think Obama won because the American people want his Socialist agenda, so your predictions are worth crap!

Typical response from you Cav, he was not "conservative" enough to be called conservative.

He was conservative on one damned issue, and 50-50 on everything else. No, that's nowhere near Conservative enough for me or anyone else (except those of you who have your heads stuck firmly up your own or Obama's asses) to call him a Conservative.

yep he was conservative

Can't hear ya; your voice is kinda muffled. And everything you say is full of shit. Guess I know where your head's at, as I said.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:30:58

The American Conservative Union would disagree with you, maybe they didnt get the memo that they have to vet every conservative with you first, god this gets better and better.

Righty back at ya sparky, which has been my point the whole time, predictions are worth crap.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:35:10

The whole time? REALLY? Is that why you have been so busy sucking D-Vega's disk every time he posts something. I guess I missed you post taking him to task for making predictions, whats_up.

Your hypocrisy is showing again!

The American Conservative Union would disagree with you

Who cares? That would make them wrong, then. I don't base my judgments on what some group that averages voting records out says. I make my own judgments — something no Liberal is capable of comprehending, it seems. McHugh was Conservative on only one issue — abortion — and 50-50 on all the others. That does not make him a Conservative, except on that one issue alone. Take that issue away and he's Arlen Specter.

Who cares? That would make them wrong, then.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:47:37

Sure because only Cav gets to decide who is conservative and who isnt, sorry to burst your bubble Cav but McHugh was as conservative as they come.

Likewise for Hoffman, Nixon. Gimme a break. No one has cared for such a district race in my memory. At least NJ is a governor’s race.

The excuses begin. But Soros? ACORN? Can’t you guys get new boogeymen?

Hey, this is fine by me. Let Corzine win while embroiled in ACORN corruption. Then hang him around the neck of every Democrat running in 2010 while holding heavily taxed and unemployed New Jersey up as the model of liberal policies.

The Dems are going to lose in VA and NY-23 so it will be hillarious to watch Obama hold up this crook and his stolen election in a hellhole state as a victory. Yeah, “HOPE” that the rest of the country can look like the liberal bastions of Jersey, Detroit, and Chicago.

Likewise for Hoffman, Nixon. Gimme a break. No one has cared for such a district race in my memory. At least NJ is a governor’s race.

So you think Bill Clinton was just making small talk when he called the NY-23 race a referendum on the whole Progressive agenda, huh?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 13:58:15

Vega,

It wont do any good, didnt you know that every candidate must be vetted by Cav before they can be called conservative, despite what the facts are.

Wouldn't whats_up have to have another user-name in order to be a sockpuppet?

Just asking.

The poll’s findings, as of Sunday:

Democrat Bill Owens: 36 percent (with 69 percent “absolutely certain,” 27 percent “fairly certain.”)

Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman: 41 percent (with 80 percent “absolutely certain,” 16 percent “fairly certain.”)

Republican Dede Scozzafava: 6 percent (65 percent “absolutely certain,” 21 percent “fairly certain.”

Undecided: 18 percent

sorry to burst your bubble Cav but McHugh was as conservative as they come.

I think they come a LOT more Conservative that 50-50 siding with Democrats on most issues. Your argument is ridiculous and your premise a joke.

So, here we are presented with issue by issue citation of McHugh's consistent conservative voting record, and yet still Cav you insist that McHugh wasn't anymore conservative than 50/50, that the district has never had a con-rep, even though we can prove the contrary and no one, no one, has provided any information that paints McHugh as a 50/50 conservative (or is that 50/50 liberal?)

The reality is the conservative base needs a catalyst to galvanize efforts throughout the country to drag the right-wing out of the wreckage that was the failures and non-accomplishments of the past 10-15 years. This is supposed to be that catalyst. A district that has been Republican (which includes conservatives) for 136 years, a seat no Dem should win, an area of New York that is the most conservative, a district that no Dem has gotten more than 33% of the vote. For a Conservative candidate that has had major personalities nationally campaigning for them.

It's a no-brainer. The right can claim this as some sort of huge victory, when actually it would only be a moral victory over its own party – the GOP. It's easy to be so excited when the odds are in your favor.

That is, if Hoffman wins the seat. It will be down-to-the-wire. And it shouldn't be for this seat.

yet he can't even bring himself to acknowledge that their is a difference between the Conservative party and the Republican party.

Oh god, gimme a break. A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

I could vote for a Republican, but not usually. I remain independent only as a protest to the Dems' level of corruption & stupidity.

McHugh was FACTUALLY a conservative. Deal with it.

That is, if Hoffman wins the seat. It will be down-to-the-wire. And it shouldn't be for this seat.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 14:57:40

Exactly, conservatives should run away with this contest and yet they havent.

Accordingly, Vega is a liar.

Right-wing Pathetic Excuse Playbook Tactic # 321 – Call the opposition liars when all your arguments have failed.

I never said anything about Fuzzy, reader. The argument here is whether this is truly special. Conservatives taking a seat from liberals. And that is NOT the case.

Scuzzy never had the seat in the first place. She was ALOT more liberal that McHugh was.

Put it this way. If McHugh was still running, would Hoffman been able to mount an offense? No friggin way.

Oh god, gimme a break. A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:01:35

There are Conservative Republicans and Liberal Republicans. There are Conservative Democrats and Liberal Democrats.

And you are deliberately being an ass about this.

Vega, I think you'd be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

To the GOP, yes.

That's funny, Cav.

Proof no longer matters, only the far-right need apply.

Vega, I think you'd be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

Posted by Bill_Dalasio

2009-11-03 15:04:26

ROFLMAO!!! that would reqire that he acknowledge complete defeat of his 'position' on this race! Good luck with that one!

That's funny, Cav.

Proof no longer matters, only the far-right need apply.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 15:10:58

Of course proof doesnt matter to Cav, it would upset his world view. Just move on without him, McHugh is a conservative and will be described as such, as he should be. He came from a conservative district that has had a conservative representative for the last 100 years or so and now conservatives are struggling to win, sounds like conservatism is not as strong as those on the right would like to believe. After the last eight years its no wonder they are struggling.

It wasn't half, Cav.

Half wouldn't get you an A rating from the NRA, or a 0% rating by the HRC, or a 15% rating by the LCV, or a 100% rating by USBC, or a 20% rating by CURE, or a 17% rating by the CAF, or a 91% rating by the Christian Coalition, or a 0% rating by the CTJ or a 71% rating by the ACU.

Sorry, but history proves a contradiction in the rhetoric.

Holy cow, Cav, I know you are staunchly & consistently conservative, but under no definition was McHugh a Liberal Republican.

Now, someone like Rudy Giuliani, he would be considered a liberal Republican. He was officially a Liberal Republican, that is, endorsed by the NY Liberal Party.

Hmmm… you know who's making robocalls on behalf of Hoffman?

Rudy.

So we can all see that this isn't really about ideals and principles, its about the TEAists sending a message to the GOP. Which is fine and appropriate, but don't insult everyone's intelligence by thinking or stating this is the beginning of realignment.

but don't insult everyone's intelligence by thinking or stating this is the beginning of realignment.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:31:11

If you can promise that you will stop insulting everyone intelligence by pretending you have a clue what you are talking about.

Yeah, I didn't think so!

He was no Bastion of Conservatism and NY-23 was no Conservative Rock of Gibraltar.

I never said that. What I said is that he is not a Liberal Republican, and that the district is clearly conservative. You can cite some votes, that's fine, but one or 5 liberal votes doesn't make you liberal. When taken in its entirety, the man was a conservative. No matter how many times you say the contrary, no proof has been offered that he is even 49% liberal.

A "RINO" as you love to call them (although maybe conservatives are the RINOs now) would be significantly liberal.

I'm sorry to have to say that I think you're being a little less than honest here.

Fair enough, Bill. Not all Reps are Cons or Dems are Libs. But each party is rooted in their respective wings.

There is a distinct difference between the Conservative Party (for which Hoffman is the candidate) and the Republicans. As a fellow New Yorker, you know that.

Somewhat, but not that much. The Republican candidate usually gets the CP's endorsement. Giuliani used to get both the Liberal Party's and Conservative Party's endorsement. I'll let you try to figure that out.

The third party exists because the NY Republican Party is so much less conservative than its national counterpart.

Yes, that is true. The NY GOP has made a mess of itself. Not willing to buck the liberal establishment, but taking advantage of its opposition status for corruption purposes. The NY Dems aren't much better either, but they have the votes.

That strategy worked well for them when Pataki was governor and they controlled the State Senate and the NYC mayoralship.

But since they lost to Spitzer its been downhill, they just cannot distinguish themselves enough from the Dems. Upstate NY was indeed conservative, I don't care what Cav says he's wrong, and this race does prove it because otherwise Hoffman wouldn't have a chance. Democrats would have won the district years ago. These people weren't all liberal hippies and suddenly become TEAists this year. Its absurd. Upstate NY has long been the conservative part of NY. They just don't have enough people living there to make a statewide impact.

This is an election that the conservo-guy should win. It would be a horrible failure to lose this seat after big endorsements by the Four Horsemen.

But a harbinger for 2010 elections? An end to Obama's agenda?

Thats like someone winning the Nobal Peace Prize when… uh… maybe that's a bad example.

Do not speak of things you know little about.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:56:14

Then assholes like you would never utter a sound.

Guess I hit a little too close to home when you have to start your patronizing crap. Just do like you did when you got your ass handed to you on the 1964 Civil Right Act thread. Shut your mouth and run away!

Actually, on second thought, let me take Baud's post apart:

CavalierX, you should be aware that D-Vega is incapable of admitting that he is wrong, even when faced with overwhelming proof of his idiocy.

Maybe first you should present an iota of evidence. Anything.

You should also know that Liberals like D-Vega consider Joe Lieberman to be a Conservative, even though he agrees with Conservatives on exactly ONE issue.

Lieberman is a righteous liberal. Has been for a long, long time. He actually won the popular vote for VP at one point on a liberal agenda. Don't make up stuff that people believe, it makes you look like an idiot.

It matters not to D-Vega how many Liberal positions McHugh favors. If he sides with Conservatives on just a few issues, that pushed him far enough to the Right for D-Vega to declare him Conservative.

Its not a few issues. It's an overwhelmingly amount of issues. He is not a bedrock conservative, but he is no wheres near being a Liberal Republican, or even a moderate. At best, he was center-right. Which means CONSERVATIVE.

The problem here is that you all are parroting the lines from the radio and Palin-tweets when you know nothing of the history of that district. This population is traditionally conservative. Rural farmers. Bush won the district in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 16:03:05

If nothing else, you are predictable, D-Vega.

The thread on the 1964 Civil Rights Act was a recent but not unique example of you being decidedly and proven wrong, but unable to admit it. To your credit in that case, you did have the good sense to realize you were being an ass and decided to run away without posting any more of your stupidity.

And as far as Joe Lieberman goes, if he were such a staunch Liberal, why did the Democrat party throw him out and support his Democrat rival in his last election? It was to punish him for supporting the war and being a Conservative. So he ran as an Independent AND WON, thereby forcing the spineless Democrats to beg him to caucus with them.

It is clear you conside McHugh a Conservative based upon his voting record, while CavalierX does nto, based upon his voting record. Stop being such an arrogant prick and acknowledge that you might be wrong about him.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 16:06:44

Robert Byrd. Kleagle Byrd. Member and leader (one time) of a domestic terror group. Thanks for playing. I guess Al Gore SR was a rightie, wasn't he?

And if the Conservative was going to win, why was ScuzzyFuzzy leading up until the time Palin nuked her?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 15:55:00

Vega,

But, you're almost proving Cav's overall thesis (as opposed to subpoint). As you note, the GOP, especially the NYGOP, has made a point of contending that the key to success is to resemble the Dems on policy grounds. That was presumably their main reason for picking Scozzafava. The success of Hoffman suggests strongly otherwise. Moreover, it suggests strongly that the conservatives, running as such, can succeed in NY and the rest of the Northeast. To suggest that these facts do not bode ill for the Democrats, particularly liberal Democrats, is not credible.

Perhaps its Cav who is wrong, perhaps you.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 16:17:59

No one is talking to you 'little bitch'. Return your head up D-Vega's ass and have a nice day!

Hell, no, it doesn't. Center-right is center-right. Conservative means Conservative. Are you really that stupid?

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 16:25:15

Ah so this country isnt more conservative than liberal, thanks for clarifying that.

Ah so this country isnt more conservative than liberal

Can you prove your statement?

This is the Democrat's to lose

Ha! They never had it to lose. But nice try. You gotta hedge your bets, right?

Only to you, Cav. That means you consider anything short of bedrock conservative to be liberal.

McHugh's voting record is not Conservative. Please stop lying to make a false argument that you can't back up with facts, Vega. McHugh was at best a moderate Republican, like McCain or Arlen Specter. The GOP figured that since the disctrict voted for Obama an even more Liberal Republican would really wow 'em. They were wrong. That's all there is to it.

Vega,

Now you're contradicting yourself:

NY GOP has made a mess of itself. Not willing to buck the liberal establishment, but taking advantage of its opposition status for corruption purposes.

Not really. Only in terms of certain social issues.

That is where you guys jump the shark. It is waaaay too premature to think that, considering the pummelling conservative candidates have taken in the area. Hoffman is not the first conservative (Cap C, Cap R, whatever) to run for office.

Come on now, Vega. Which is it? Is the NYGOP dead in the water because of its corruption and incompetence (I'll agree with you there), or because it is hopelessly out of touch with everyone's views. If the latter, than apolgize to Cav. You're suggesting that NY is uniformly liberal.

NY-23 this year is special because there is no incumbent. Because the Rep candidate was selected not through a primary. That the replacement was a poor choice. That the NY GOP is nearly dead. That this the only House race in an off year. That is the perfect storm of oppty for a conservative candidate.

Oh, for the love of God Almighty, Vega, quit kidding yourself. My own district (Staten Island-Bay Ridge) had a conservative Republican until the last election. The only reason it switched over was that he was caught with a second family in DC and his replacement for the GOP ticket died. Conservatives can and do win in NY and the Northeast in general.

Do you really think the Conservolution is gonna start in NY? Good luck.

No, but I do think you guys are kidding yourselves or whistling past the graveyard when you pretend that the 23rd has no larger implications for national politics. I mean, let's get real, you'd be here crowing that conservatism is dead in the Northeast if Scozzafava stayed in the race and beat Hoffman, even though you seem to think this is just really a weird exception, otherwise.

I would say that tonight's election puts a nail in the coffin of cap and trade and obamacare.

I don't why you would think that, CT.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 10:06:44

Why, look everyone…

D-Vega has returned to a day-old thread in a feeble attempt to get the last word in, after he so cowardly ran away from the debate last night.

Now, who could have predicted that he would be this pathetic?

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-04 10:23:22

How did those predictions about Hoffman work out for you Baud?

If you have something related then proceed, otherwise stop sweating my posting patterns.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 10:31:11

Poor little D-Vega. Have to run back to a day-old thread long after people have moved on, just to get in the last word. Funny how you have plpenty of time to post your childish and snarky remarks when it suits you, but then when you are getting slapped down, you suddenly "have to go for the evening".

And I am not sweating your posting habits, I just dearly loved pointing out what a complete prick you are. And it is so easy since you do most of the work!

Yeah, that's called sweating my posting habits. Enjoy your crow, whine and cheese.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 11:15:51

No, sweating posting habits was best defined the time you posted a response to be, then posted another 11 minutes later telling the world all the terrible things you were going to do to me since I had not responded to you. Funny that you never follwed through on any of those, D-Vega.

Funny that in that instance it took you over a day to respond to me and you NEVER followed through on your empty threats. Well, I guess you are just full of shit.

Have a nice day, asshole!