Corzine doesn't need anyone's money. He is stinking rich.

"Victory or defeat will also be seen as a referendum on President Obama's agenda for health care and on our entire progressive agenda," Clinton wrote. "So it's critical that we stand together as Democrats behind our candidate, Bill Owens."

- Bill Clinton, in a fundraising email
http://tinyurl.com/yztkxe2

Go ahead, Vega, tell us again how NY-23 is a meaningless race that we stupid right-wingers are blowing out of proportion.

"Can't you guys get new boogeymen?"

Yeah, not as fun now that your precious Dems are getting exposed for their corruption and incompetence, is it? I'm sure you'd like us to forget about your money man and thugs on the ground.

Today is the beginning of the end for your ideology vega, deal with it.

Very easy, Cav. Dems have nothing to lose in NY-23 because that seat hasn't been held by a Dem in over 100 years.

The Dems should worry about not gaining a Republican seat? One of the last in Northeast? Are you kidding me?

Bill Clinton was trying to RAISE MONEY. Telling people this is an important race.

But the Dems have everything to gain and really nothing to lose here. The NY GOP is the one getting a nail in their coffin.

You should be trying to develop a better excuse than ACORN and Soros if this seat is lost to a Dem. Because Christie didn't really have a chance in Jersey.

But an open seat in the long-held Republican district going to the conservative candidate is not some bellweather for things to come. If that is true, then the reverse is true as well.

But Soros? ACORN? Can't you guys get new boogeymen?

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 09:53:14

Why, of COURSE you want us to ignore Soros and ACORN, D-Vega. They are currently active and trying to pervert the political process in Obama's favor. If we would just stop worrying about them, they could do the job you want them to.

Meanwhile, a few threads down, another Liberal is telling us that the current financial crisis was caused BY RONALD REAGAN. Maybe you could drop down and tell HIM that he needs to find a new boogeymen!

Yeah, not as fun now that your precious Dems are getting exposed for their corruption and incompetence, is it? I'm sure you'd like us to forget about your money man and thugs on the ground.

I wouldn't throw stones when you haven't even finished the remodeling on your new glass house, Mike.

Today is the beginning of the end for your ideology vega, deal with it.

And if NY-23 & Virginia & New Jersey goes to the Dems, then what? You are being silly here. The Republicans are far away from doing anything major here, let alone TEAist Conservatives.

Vega, get a clue.

NY-23 is important to TEAist Conservatives because it will prove that it's possible to buck the Republican establishment with an outside cadidate and win. If the conservative movement is strong enough to get one outsider elected, then it's strong enough to get others elected in other places … possibly even into the White House whether or not the Republican party decides to help.

And if NY-23 & Virginia & New Jersey goes to the Dems, then what? You are being silly here. The Republicans are far away from doing anything major here, let alone TEAist Conservatives.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 10:13:18

Vega reads the AP Nixon sees. Same stuff they started shoveling yesterday when the hadwriting showed up on the wall. If it doens't mean anything Vega, why are you arguing so forcefully? Look in the mirror and admit it does matter. You'll feel better. Face it, if Virginia goes Republican on their top three state offices, it does not help Barry Obamateur and does in fact hurt the left. NY 23 was ScuzzyFuzzy's to lose til Sarah Palin nuked her out of the race. And Corzine being this close in a blatantly liberal state after Barry carried it 12 months ago?

Perhaps political discussion is above your paygrade Vega, sort of like Afghanistan is above the One's.

I would admit this became more of a drama than I thought it would, but not because of the Dem vs. Rep angle, but because of the Rep vs. itself angle.

NY-23 is important to TEAist Conservatives because it will prove that it's possible to buck the Republican establishment with an outside cadidate and win.

That is important. I would agree that it is important to the conservative base. But I would warn against breaking out the bubbly in a race that the conservaitve candidate is suppose to win.

If it doens't mean anything Vega, why are you arguing so forcefully?

I never thought the rep candidate would drop out, so it became a lot more interesting.

And Corzine being this close in a blatantly liberal state after Barry carried it 12 months ago?

Right before the election, the right was harping about how Obama could lose New Jersey. I know people in New Jersey don't like Corzine, and New Jersey has some of the weirdest politics around. Still, Corzine will win easily.

Perhaps political discussion is above your paygrade Vega, sort of like Afghanistan is above the One's.

Oh please, that's the other flavor of the month myth. After Bush dithered for months on Iraq and only changed policies and SecDefs after he was pummelled in a mid-term election.

"The Republicans are far away from doing anything major here, let alone TEAist Conservatives."

Keep telling yourself that as the health bill stalls, Obama wets his pants trying to make a decision on Afghanistan, and unemployment continues to climb.

You think this election doesn't matter? Watch the blue dogs bail on Obama in a nanosecond if Hoffman wins NY-23. If Obama, Rahm, Bill Clinton, and a grevious mistake by the GOP can't win this seat for the Dems, it will be a signal to Congress that Obama's radical leftist agenda really is toxic and that they're going to lose their seats if they push forward.

Keep plugging your ears and yelling LALALALALA vaga, you've been doing it for 10 months. Why stop now?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 10:30:08

Yet Obama refuses to make important decisions about Afghanistan, putting off the troop request until, what exactly is he waiting for? The ok from Ko$ or Soros? Another date night with Michelle? Tonights results from the elections? He puts of meeting with the head US general over there to play more golf that Bush did in 8 years? Real good prioritizing there by the TOTUS.

Thanks for playing.

Very easy, Cav. Dems have nothing to lose in NY-23 because that seat hasn't been held by a Dem in over 100 years.

Your ignorance is utterly appalling. You ought to read up on the situation before making comments instead of spouting spoon-fed talking points. Hussein hand-picked the Republican who held that seat, John McHugh, to become Secretary of the Army. That's why the GOP establishment was able to choose a Republican to run for that seat, and they chose Scozzafava. Hussein chose McHugh "knowing" that the seat would be held either by the ACORN-backed Democrat candidate, or the ACORN-backed Republican candidate. That's why NY_23 is so important. Once again, you show yourself to be a buffoon, ignorant of the issues, history and facts.

Mike, the failure of a healthcare reform bill and rising unemployment are the real problems, I admit.

No matter how this particular election goes, rising unemployment is THE issue for the Dems and Obama.

Obama wets his pants trying to make a decision on Afghanistan,

The CinC can take as long as he feels he needs. He doesn't take orders from the generals, its the other way around.

I remember a time where the right continuously harped that the policy in Iraq was working, that it just needed more time. That certain generals were wrong about their estimates. And then one bad election changed that. Bush took his time (about 3 years) to make that determination. While U.S. soldiers and Iraqis died. Yet you won't even give Obama one year to make a determination on Af-Pak. Which is clearly different than Iraq.

If Obama, Rahm, Bill Clinton, and a grevious mistake by the GOP can't win this seat for the Dems, it will be a signal to Congress that Obama's radical leftist agenda really is toxic and that they're going to lose their seats if they push forward.

You're saying that if the Dems don't win a seat they've never had in recent history, one that Reps have held from more than 100 years, one of the last Rep seats in the region, that the entire national liberal agenda is done & over with?

You putting your pot all in, I guess. That could mean a big win. It also could leave you buttnaked & beaten in an alley.

If Obama, Rahm, Bill Clinton, and a grevious mistake by the GOP can't win this seat for the Dems, it will be a signal to Congress that Obama's radical leftist agenda really is toxic and that they're going to lose their seats if they push forward.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 10:34:15

Keep telling yourself that Mike, you have been wishing for that for awhile. Keep in mind that this is a seat that Dems have won in over 100 years, I would say it is more of a test for the GOP than the Dems, if they cant keep a seat that they have controlled for over 100 years then they have a serious problem.

You ought to read up on the situation before making comments instead of spouting spoon-fed talking points

I live in NY, Cav. I have been following this since McHugh was selected. What's your friggin' point? Or are you just getting angry because I am pissing in the cornflakes?

Of course the Dems want a shot at the seat. But that's a GAIN. They are not DEFENDING squat here. You can stand on your head and stomp your feet, it won't change the facts.

Hussein chose McHugh "knowing" that the seat would be held either by the ACORN-backed Democrat candidate, or the ACORN-backed Republican candidate.

Sheesh, and here I thought the GOP chairman was "ACORN-backed" as well.

It must be easy to blame ACORN for every failure. Nevermind that the NY GOP has been corrupt from top to bottom and nearly extinct in the entire region, with no Republicans in New England at all. You can't blame ACORN for the former State Senate GOP leader being on trial for bribery.

hat's why NY_23 is so important. Once again, you show yourself to be a buffoon, ignorant of the issues, history and facts.

Just keep in mind the actual reality – you should win this seat, you losing this seat is more of a monumental failure than the Dems failing to capture this seat.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 10:50:58

Oh goody, SockPuppetsRUs is open.

The GOP does have a problem. The Conservatives, having seen the "moderates" lose Congress and the White House to a bunch of incompetent leftists, are tired of their bullshit and voting with their feet.

"I would say it is more of a test for the GOP than the Dems, if they cant keep a seat that they have controlled for over 100 years then they have a serious problem."

The GOP does not have a candidate in the NY-23 race, you imbicile.

Conservatism is going to win today. You idiots are stuck cheerleading for partisan politics while we own you on the issues. That's why you're going to lose.

you should win this seat, you losing this seat is more of a monumental failure than the Dems failing to capture this seat.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 10:53:28

You do realize that over half of conservatives do not view themselves as Republican. There is a difference, dufus.

"Just keep in mind the actual reality – you should win this seat, you losing this seat is more of a monumental failure than the Dems failing to capture this seat."

Lowered expectations: the hallmark of the Obama Presidency.

Blue Dog says Dem losses would strengthen centrists' position

By Michael O'Brien – 11/03/09 08:40 AM ET

Centrist Blue Dog Democrats might see their position strengthened if Democrats suffer broader losses Tuesday, one Blue Dog member suggested.

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) argued that an election night rebuke for Democratic candidates across the nation could lead some in the party to rethink their plans on healthcare reform and other issues.

"It looks as though the anger that has been boiling up the last couple of months is going to lead to a pretty high turnout from Republicans and from people who are concerned about increased spending," Altmire said Monday evening during an appearance on Fox Business Network.

From The Hill. Someone is concerned about these elections. Vega, you can go on being unconcerned. In fact, since these elections mean nothing, go on with your life. Ignore it. It means nothing. There, you feel better now?

Actually what I was saying in that other thread is that the policies of Reagan led inevitably to the financial collapse.

This us why what happened is widely known as the end of the Reagan era.

Posted by Jack Schite

2009-11-03 11:07:54

Proof that the public school system just doesn't educate their students.

Someone is concerned about these elections. Vega, you can go on being unconcerned.

Posted by Dick_Nixon 2009-11-03 11:02:08

Dick_Nixon, this is typical D-Vega "Because I said so" bullshit! He is acting the party hack and trying to dismiss this as a nothing of an election; but only because he sees the failure of the Left to capitalize on this situation.

You know (as does he and his 'little bitch' whats_up) that if this were a Democrat sure-thing, he would be crowing to high heaven of how this NOTHING of a race spells the doom of the Right and the ascention of Obama to his rightful place as the political diety in our age!

You do realize that over half of conservatives do not view themselves as Republican. There is a difference, dufus.

Yeah, I know. Who cares though? I don't identify myself as Democrat. Whoop-dee-do.

Lowered expectations: the hallmark of the Obama Presidency.

You must have forgotten that Obama is still playing with the house's money.

This us why what happened is widely known as the end of the Reagan era.

Posted by Jack Schite

2009-11-03 11:07:54

You are by far the most pig-ignorant, naive, and just plain stupid troll to have graced this site in over 5 years. And that's including the likes of never-show and M@rth@!!!!!!!

that Obama is still playing with the house's money.

That would be the people's money he has wasted on Porkulus, Cash for Unions, and this BS healthcare plan, and the proposed Raise Utility Bills by 20% plan of his. Thanks for that tripling the budget deficit in six months and 16% actual "funemployment" as you liberals call it. Ever since January of 2007 the economy in this country has gone in the shitter. What happened that month? Oh yeah, the left took the purse strings.

What's your friggin' point?

That this race proves there is no difference between the two parties, and your attempt to cast it as a "Dem-vs-Rep" race is futile — especially as there is no Republican candidate in the race.

Conservatism is going to win today.

That's what's scaring the living crap out of Vega and jackass.

the policies of Reagan led inevitably to the financial collapse.

CRA. 1977. Carter. Now take that to the correct thread for that discussion.

Conservatism is going to win today. You idiots are stuck cheerleading for partisan politics while we own you on the issues. That's why you're going to lose.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 10:56:58

I would be careful of your political predictions there Mike, hasnt worked out well for you the last couple of times now has it?

NY-23 is a liberal Republican district that was won handily by Obama, and has NEVER elected a conservative. NY-23 is PRECISELY the type of district that put Obama over the top last year. If an Obama Democrat, endorsed by an Obama Republican, flush with Obama money, assisted BY OBAMA, loses to a no-name avowed conservative who's public persona is that he's "boring and doesn't have much personality." this is an EPIC FAIL for liberalism and Obama!!!!

That this race proves there is no difference between the two parties, and your attempt to cast it as a "Dem-vs-Rep" race is futile — especially as there is no Republican candidate in the race.

That's always the excuse, Cav. Whenever your side loses, either the person was not conservative enough (which logically doesn't make sense) or there was some vast left-wing conspiracy.

That's always the excuse, Cav. Whenever your side loses, either the person was not conservative enough (which logically doesn't make sense)

D-Vega

Are you learning impaired or something?

"You must have forgotten that Obama is still playing with the house's money."

Yeah, and he's down $1.2 trillion. Great to see you liberals still think that's funny. I don't think the voters are going to be as willing to give him a mulligan on that one though.

some vast left-wing conspiracy

You mean like Obama, Bill Clinton and ACORN spending time and money trying like hell to get the Dem elected over the Conservative? That's fact, not conspiracy theory. And they will fail.

Any resident liberal want to bet that, yet again, the Democrats will continue their unbeaten record of increasing their vote margin in 100% of every close election AFTER election day? Again I ask, how does this happen when it is mathematically impossible?

NY-23 is a liberal Republican district that was won handily by Obama,

Nope. Obama won the district by only 5 pts, as compared to 27 pts across NY.

and has NEVER elected a conservative.

I don't know where you got that. Republicans have held the seat for more than 100 yrs. Dems have never cracked 33% of the vote in the elections. Are you saying that for 100 years, this district has been liberal?

NY-23 is PRECISELY the type of district that put Obama over the top last year.

More nonsense. Obama handily won NY. If NY-23 went 90% McCain is wouldn't have meant diddly. Pennsylvania put Obama over the top.

If an Obama Democrat, endorsed by an Obama Republican, flush with Obama money, assisted BY OBAMA, loses to a no-name avowed conservative who's public persona is that he's "boring and doesn't have much personality." this is an EPIC FAIL for liberalism and Obama!!!!

You can hope. But sorry, this is not the case. Dems have never been this close in winning this district. And both Republicans and Conservatives are practically Haley's Comet in these parts.

"I would be careful of your political predictions there Mike, hasnt worked out well for you the last couple of times now has it?"

I was dead on in predicting the Porkulus bill would only raise unemployment. Right, vega? So right that I wagered changing my login to "Mike_M_was_wrong" without asking for or being offered a counterwager by vega or any of the other libs.

Care to place a little bet on today's results, whats_up?

Whenever your side loses, either the person was not conservative enough (which logically doesn't make sense) or there was some vast left-wing conspiracy.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 11:32:27

Scuffy-fuzzy was a LIBERAL Republican that took GOP money, dropped out of the race, and then endorsed THE DEMOCRAT!

It is hardly an 'excuse' to say she isn't a Conservative!

Care to place a little bet on today's results, whats_up?

That is really the heart of this issue. The right has needed some good news for a long, long time. So they picked a race that they should win, so they can then claim that this is some sort of "insurgency". Rally the base. It's like liberals saying Corzine winning in New Jersey is an affirmation of liberalism and Obama's agenda. Liberals are supposed to be afraid of the right desparately holding onto a seat, while Dems are closer than they have been in a century? You must be sniffing some Vick's like Glenn Beck.

You can hope. But sorry, this is not the case. Dems have never been this close in winning this district. And both Republicans and Conservatives are practically Haley's Comet in these parts.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 11:37:11 keep your head up your ass screming la-la-la! Doesn't change the fact that you know I'm RIGHT FUCKING ON. No conservative has EVER won NY-23, it's always been held by a liberal Republican, and this time, the liberal Republican was so beat she dropped out – that's the FUCKING POINT. And winning districts like NY-23 who vote Republican on the margins is EXACTLY what got Obama elected. Without them, he loses PA, FL, OH and you FUCKING KNOW IT. Shove that up your liberal ass!!

I don't know where you got that. Republicans have held the seat for more than 100 yrs.

He didn't say Republican. He said Conservative. Quit trying to duck and dodge. There is no difference between Liberal Republicans and Democrats, and frankly we'd all be better off if they all joined the party they truly believe in anyway.

Today is the day Obamacare dies in upstate New York! Can I get a HELLLL YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So they picked a race that they should win

Conservatives have never won in NY-23, and had no chance whatsovever to do so until Fred Thompson and Sarah Palin stepped in to endorse Hoffman. The race was between a Liberal Republican and an even more Liberal Democrat. The Right had no chance of winning that district… or so Hussein and the rest of you Leftists thought.

"Liberals are supposed to be afraid of the right desparately holding onto a seat, while Dems are closer than they have been in a century?"

Going from a RINO to a conservative is enough for us. Your frantic posting on this issue betrays how important it really is to you liberals. Or are you calling Bill Clinton a liar?

If Hoffman wins, your agenda is dead. It's that simple. Congress will bail on Obamacare and Cap and Trade and all they'll have to point to in 2010 is blowing $1.2 trillion and Obama's vacations and rounds of golf.

Conservatives have never won in NY-23

Where are you getting this from, Cav? I know you can make the argument against Fonzi, but I havn't seen the voting records of this district for the past decades, have you? I think you are parroting some talking points here. A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one. Have you any proof to the contrary?

Your democrat may love his party. His balls may be in Rham Emanuel's back pocket. He may even dream of licking Obama's boots. But there is one thing every soulless blue-dog Democrat loves more than the prettiest health care package your liberal messiah can dream up. AND THAT'S GETTING RE-ELECTED!!! And today, the blue dogs are going to shit their pants watching NY-23!!!!!!

A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one.

And with this statement you render yourself an idiot or a liar. Which is it?

A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one.

Where are you getting this from? Once again, you deliberately try to confuse Republican with Conservative. And once again, you fail.

Going from a RINO to a conservative is enough for us.

Well, I can see that. But when your idealogy has consistently failed for the past few elections, I can see why.

Your frantic posting on this issue betrays how important it really is to you liberals.

Frantic posting? A reality check is now frantic to you? Stating the obvious?

Or are you calling Bill Clinton a liar?

Clinton was saying what he needed to in order to pump money into the race. Of course the Dems would relish winning this seat in a down election year. But it would still be a net-positive either way. The right losing this seat would be crushing. It's FARRRR more important to the right than it is to the left.

If Hoffman wins, your agenda is dead. It's that simple.

That made me laugh out loud. Famous last words.

Congress will bail on Obamacare and Cap and Trade and all they'll have to point to in 2010 is blowing $1.2 trillion and Obama's vacations and rounds of golf.

Don't forget the Grade A weed and the new mosque being built in the Black House.

Let's be clear, today WILL be a good day for Republicans if they only win VA, which they will. It COULD be a good day for conservatives with a victory in NY, though a loss there would not doom the movement – it's NEW YORK for goodness sake. But for the Democrats, short of a victory in VA (which ain't gonna happen), it's an ABSOLUTE DISASTER given how much time the obamessia himself has spent on this.

Where are you getting this from? Once again, you deliberately try to confuse Republican with Conservative.

I can make general assertions too, Cav. You said a conservative has never won NY-23. You could be right, but that is a pretty big statement.

But for the Democrats, short of a victory in VA (which ain't gonna happen), it's an ABSOLUTE DISASTER given how much time the obamessia himself has spent on this.

An absolute disaster? Are you friggin serious?

Mind you, reader, the party that has won the Presidency has lost the Virginia governorship right after for every period for the past 32 years.

Mind you, reader, the party that has won the Presidency has lost the Virginia governorship right after for every period for the past 32 years.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:02:45

And the excuses keep piling on.

"Can I get a HELLLL YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Dancing Snoopy is getting queued up in the server right now.

The Dems internal polling must be grim. None of the network or cable news sites (save Fox) are leading with election news or coverage.

They say it takes 30 years for a society to re-learn what it has forgotten. And 30 years ago today the Republican establishment picked George H.W. Bush as the future of the party, because he was a moderate who could enlarge the party. And they scoffed at the cowboy from California, with his voo-doo economics….

An absolute disaster? Are you friggin serious?

That's right, ignore the drumbeat coming from over the horizon. Keep whistling past the graveyard. It'll be all right… you'll still get your socialized medicine…

Mind you, reader, the party that has won the Presidency has lost the Virginia governorship right after for every period for the past 32 years.

Posted by D-Vega

So you're saying that the American people have rejected the call to "fundamentally change and transform" the country??? Keep whistling. dum!… dum!…dum!… dum! … dum! … dum! … dum!

It'll be all right… you'll still get your socialized medicine…

I know.

I was dead on in predicting the Porkulus bill would only raise unemployment. Right, vega? So right that I wagered changing my login to "Mike_M_was_wrong" without asking for or being offered a counterwager by vega or any of the other libs.

Care to place a little bet on today's results, whats_up?

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 11:37:40

Do you really want to scrutinize your predictions Mike? How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop? We will see how this plays out, what is your excuse going to be if you lose NY to a dem for the first time in over a 100 years?

"Do you really want to scrutinize your predictions Mike?"

LOL…if you're not confident enough in the Dems to put something on the results, just say so. Come on, make me an offer. I dare you.

I know.

Posted by D-VegaThat's right. lay your head down gently and drift off into your happy place. believe the spin coming from the AP/AFP/UPI/CBA/ABC/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/NYT/LAT, elections, shmlections! it don't mean nothin!

elections, shmlections! it don't mean nothin!

Try to win some first. Before you start gloating.

How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop?

How is the deficit, I thoght Obama was going to reduce it when he got elected.

Try to win some first.

Can you not smell the stench of defeat emanating from VA?

Try to win some first. Before you start gloating.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 12:23:10

LOL, good one Vega, good one.

Try to win some first. Before you start gloating.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:23:10

We have, D-Vega, and we will again.

Only a fool (LIKE YOU) would gloat and crow over a few election victories.

LOL, good one Vega, good one.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 12:28:11

Sorry, D-Vega. I forgot about your 'little bitch' chiming in.

Can you not smell the stench of defeat emanating from VA?

Well, the guy has been behind in double digits for weeks. That one has been lost. Tim Kaine can't run again as the incumbent. Wow. You got one!

Only a fool (LIKE YOU) would gloat and crow over a few election victories.

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

It'll be all right… you'll still get your socialized medicine…

I know.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 12:11:17

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 12:32:51

Nixon calls them Vega.

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:32:51

I'd call that a prediction, D-Vega. As opposed to you and others like you that think since Liberals have won a couple of time that the Right is dead and done. The pendelum (sp?) will swing back. And we will all enjoy the shocked expressions on your face.

I know what to expect here, Baud.

NY-23 will go to the conservative candidate, as it has for the past 136 years.

Virginia will go opposite the party-in-power, as it has for the past 32 years.

The only thing that would surprise me is if Corzine loses.

The pendelum (sp?) will swing back. And we will all enjoy the shocked expressions on your face.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 12:37:04

It always does Baud, it always does, as conservatives were reminded, perhaps you should keep that in mind for when you actually do get back in power, that the pendelum will swing back again as it always does.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 12:41:10

Do you subscribe to the AP news feed? That is what they were saying yesterday.

NY-23 will go to the conservative candidate, as it has for the past 136 years.

No Conservative Party candidate has ever held that seat as far as I can tell. Please share with us the name of the last Conservative Party Representative from that district, or at least the last Conservative Republican. Thanks.

So what would you call someone that is gloating and crowing and hasn't even won yet?

In this case, "the winner."

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 12:45:06

Don't badger him cav, those goalposts are heavy.

NY-23 will go to the conservative candidate, as it has for the past 136 years.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:41:10

You have yet to prove that a Conservative candidate has ever held that seat, except for your rank stupidity in equating Conservative with Republican.

How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop?

How's that unemployment rate dfoing; I thought that was never going to reach 8%?

It always does Baud, it always does, as conservatives were reminded, perhaps you should keep that in mind for when you actually do get back in power, that the pendelum will swing back again as it always does.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 12:42:10

Then take that advise to heart, 'little bitch', as it is you and D-Vega that are claiming some special knowledge about elections because you have won a few.

"How is the stock market doing, I thought that was just going to continue to drop?"

Dow is at 9763.

It was 9749 the day Obama took office.

Porkulus bill cost us $700 billion.

Obama has spent $50,000,000,000 per point increase in the stock market.

Still wanna brag about that one?

How's that unemployment rate dfoing; I thought that was never going to reach 8%?

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 12:47:21

Really, who claimed that? Did Obama say that? Exactly which liberal are you quoting here or are you just making things up as you go along?

Still wanna brag about that one?

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 12:52:22

Yep, it is still high, having topped the 10,000 mark twice allready. yet it was conservatives who said that Obama taking office would tank the stock market, then it was that the TARP would tank it, then increased spending and inflation, what happened there? And yes it is higher than when he took office, and much higher than when he got elected. Thanks for admitting that you were wrong on that one Mike.

A historically Republican district in New York would clearly be a conservative one.

And with this statement you render yourself an idiot or a liar. Which is it?

NY-23 will go to the conservative candidate, as it has for the past 136 years.

Thus, Vega is a liar.

Then take that advise to heart, 'little bitch', as it is you and D-Vega that are claiming some special knowledge about elections because you have won a few.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 12:48:23

Really, then please point to our predictions of these elections, oh thats right we havent made any.

then increased spending and inflation, what happened there?

A weakened dollar under TOTUS and a busted up deficit.

"Experts agree that if nothing is done, the unemployment rate could reach double digits," Mr. Obama said in a January 24 radio address. "If we do not act boldly and swiftly, a bad situation could become dramatically worse." The same month, his economic advisors released a report saying that, without the stimulus, unemployment would hit around 8.5 percent by April 2009, and 7.8 percent with it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/18/business/…

Really, when someone is so worried about the outcome that he can't even acknowledge a simple fact like the ACTUAL party affiliation of a candidate in a race he pretends doesn't matter, what's left to be said.

na! na! na! na!…. na! na! na! na! … hey! hey! hey!……

"Thanks for admitting that you were wrong on that one Mike."

Yep, Obama wastes $50 billion per market point and I'm in the wrong. You sure got me there.

Nice to see proving me wrong is more important to you than a hideously inept President that wastes trillions of dollars.

It was 9749 the day Obama took office.

Porkulus bill cost us $700 billion.

Obama has spent $50,000,000,000 per point increase in the stock market.

Still wanna brag about that one?

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 12:52:22

Mike,

You have your figures a little wrong there, it was 7949 when Obama took office, sorry that you are confused.

Really, then please point to our predictions of these elections, oh thats right we havent made any.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 12:56:42

Well, here are D-Vega's Predictions.

I know what to expect here, Baud.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 12:41:10

You, on the other hands, are too much of a chicken-shit to actually make a direct statement. You'd rather just compliment D-Vega on his stupidity while displaying your own hypocrisy.

Isn't is about time for you to run away again… LITTLE BITCH!

I don’t think the GOP will win in New Jersey. I expect ACORN voter fraud to give them the edge they need for victory.

You, on the other hands, are too much of a chicken-shit to actually make a direct statement. You'd rather just compliment D-Vega on his stupidity while displaying your own hypocrisy.

Isn't is about time for you to run away again… LITTLE BITCH!

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 13:02:21

My apologies, Vega made his predictions, I on the other had learned a long time ago to not try and predict politics, usually you end up looking like an ass, kind of like you conservatives the last presidential election.

kind of like you conservatives the last presidential election.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 13:05:25

Based on your candidates performance in office, you struck gold didn't you crthns? The worst POTUS since Jimmah Carter. Thanks for the effort.

No Conservative Party candidate has ever held that seat as far as I can tell. Please share with us the name of the last Conservative Party Representative from that district, or at least the last Conservative Republican. Thanks.

Well, that would be John McHugh, the previous congressmen from that very same district. A lifetime rating of 71 from the American Conservative Union.

That was pretty easy. I am sure if I could find an analysis of the congressperson from this district they would clearly be conservative, but there's proof very easily.

I'll await the excuses now that he wasn't 100 ACU, or some other crap that falsely discredits him.

Regarding the "Conservative Party", who gives a damn? The NY GOP has imploded and that's why the CP candidate has a chance. In a perfect world, Hoffman would have ran against FozzyBear in the primaries.

"You have your figures a little wrong there, it was 7949 when Obama took office, sorry that you are confused."

Oh so now Obama has wasted $700 billion AND caused the market to go down? How is it even possible to piss that much money away without causing some kind of economic growth even by accident?

The Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for pointing that out.

usually you end up looking like an ass, kind of like you conservatives the last presidential election.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:05:25

What are you talking about? We said the Liberal was going to win the Presidency. Regardless of whether it was Obama or McCain, we were right!

Corzine has been deemed to big to fail by the TOTUS. He’ll win by a hair, thanks to ACORN and George Soros’ money.

Oh so now Obama has wasted $700 billion AND caused the market to go down? How is it even possible to piss that much money away without causing some kind of economic growth even by accident?

The Presidency of Barack Hussein Obama, ladies and gentlemen!

Thanks for pointing that out.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-11-03 13:08:13

Mike,

You seem to be suffering from a serious lack of mathimatical skill, lets try this again. Obama takes office Jan. 21, 2009, the market sits at 7949, today it is at 9759, Mike that means the market went up not down like you predicted.

What are you talking about? We said the Liberal was going to win the Presidency. Regardless of whether it was Obama or McCain, we were right!

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 13:08:23

Ah the backtracking begins, actually conservatives said that Obama wouldnt win, even Rush predicted that Pennsylvania was going for McCain. We see how those predictions worked out for the right, but feel free to continue making them, it makes it more fun.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 13:19:19

Unemployment and the deficit are up, as is the National Debt. The value of the dollar is down, and energy is heading back up. TOTUS is on a roll isn't he.

Well, that would be John McHugh, the previous congressmen from that very same district.

I did tell you to try and gather information before posting comments here. I guess you'll never learn. McHugh was very conservative on abortion, but middle-of-the-road on just about everything else. A Conservative, he was not. Fail again.

Posted by Dick_Nixon

2009-11-03 13:22:09

And the economy is growing finally, stock market is up, new home sales are up, manufacturing are up. Yes it is a good step toward recovery, good thing Obama brought us back from the brink, it was touch and go there for awhile.

even Rush predicted that Pennsylvania was going for McCain.

Rush stated that the polling data showed Pennsylvania was showing McCain, sort of like how Kerry claimed he was winning the Presidency based on exit polling. Are you saying the Democrat will win in Virginia or NY 23?

Regarding the "Conservative Party", who gives a damn?

Nobody. There's no such thing. Just go about your business and ignore this whole "NY-23" kerfluffle. We just made it all up to screw with your head. Have a good one!

did tell you to try and gather information before posting comments here. I guess you'll never learn. McHugh was very conservative on abortion, but middle-of-the-road on just about everything else. A Conservative, he was not. Fail again.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:23:48

Typical response from you Cav, he was not "conservative" enough to be called conservative. 71% lifetime rating sounds pretty conservative to me, yep he was conservative, thanks Vega for pointing that out to them.

Yes it is a good step toward recovery,

Nixon guesses the exploding deficit, rising unemployment, and increase in the national debt are signs of recovery. Where are the jobs? Non government jobs that is.

Rush stated that the polling data showed Pennsylvania was showing McCain,

Posted by Dick_Nixon

2009-11-03 13:25:22

Like I said, Rush and his predictions were wrong, perhaps we shouldnt try and predict an outcome when we will know for sure the next day (most of the time)

And the economy is growing finally, stock market is up, new home sales are up, manufacturing are up.

Unemployment rate: 9.8%. The rest of it is either immaterial or artificial (like car sales being up during the "cash-for'clunkers" deal).

Rush and his predictions were wrong,

Unfortunately the subject of this discussion is the races in NY23, Virginia, and New Jersey. Rush has predicted a win for Hoffman. Any other point you trying to make, sockpuppetrus?

Ah the backtracking begins, actually conservatives said that Obama wouldnt win, even Rush predicted that Pennsylvania was going for McCain. We see how those predictions worked out for the right, but feel free to continue making them, it makes it more fun.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:21:08

It never ceases to amaze me how a single person's words are taken by idiots like you to represent the entire Right.

There were some who said that Obama would loose and some who said he would win. The vast majority of Conservatives said that it made little difference who won, as we would be getting a Liberal in the White House regardless.

I have no problem with people making predictions, whats_up. What I am taking issue with is you and D-Vega denegrating predictions from the Right (which are just as valid as your predictions) by talking about who won the last election, as if that give you some special insight into all things political.

You still think Obama won because the American people want his Socialist agenda, so your predictions are worth crap!

And the economy is growing finally, stock market is up, new home sales are up, manufacturing are up. Yes it is a good step toward recovery, good thing Obama brought us back from the brink, it was touch and go there for awhile.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 13:24:22

Tell that to all the unemployed people still looking for jobs.

Typical response from you Cav, he was not "conservative" enough to be called conservative.

He was conservative on one damned issue, and 50-50 on everything else. No, that's nowhere near Conservative enough for me or anyone else (except those of you who have your heads stuck firmly up your own or Obama's asses) to call him a Conservative.

yep he was conservative

Can't hear ya; your voice is kinda muffled. And everything you say is full of shit. Guess I know where your head's at, as I said.

Unemployment rate: 9.8%. The rest of it is either immaterial or artificial (like car sales being up during the "cash-for'clunkers" deal).

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:27:48

Cav, now you just show how stupid you really are, are you saying the only stat that matters for a "recovery" is unemployment? You really cant be that stupid. Employment or lack of is a laggin indicator in any definition of recovery as it is the last to be affected.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:30:58

The American Conservative Union would disagree with you, maybe they didnt get the memo that they have to vet every conservative with you first, god this gets better and better.

so your predictions are worth crap!

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 13:29:05

Righty back at ya sparky, which has been my point the whole time, predictions are worth crap.

Righty back at ya sparky, which has been my point the whole time, predictions are worth crap.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 13:35:10

The whole time? REALLY? Is that why you have been so busy sucking D-Vega's disk every time he posts something. I guess I missed you post taking him to task for making predictions, whats_up.

Your hypocrisy is showing again!

Employment or lack of is a laggin indicator in any definition of recovery as it is the last to be affected.

Funny; that's not what you Leftists were all saying during the Bush years when unemployment hovered around the 5% mark. I never said it's the only statistic that matters, but it is cdertainly the most important one. Unemployed people are very unhappy people, and Obama's "I inherited all these problems" schtick has worn awfully thin. Remember the many analyses indicating that if nothing was done, the economy would recover by the first quarter of 2010 all by itself? Looks like Hussein wasted trillions of our money for absolutely nothing.

The American Conservative Union would disagree with you

Who cares? That would make them wrong, then. I don't base my judgments on what some group that averages voting records out says. I make my own judgments — something no Liberal is capable of comprehending, it seems. McHugh was Conservative on only one issue — abortion — and 50-50 on all the others. That does not make him a Conservative, except on that one issue alone. Take that issue away and he's Arlen Specter.

I never said it's the only statistic that matters

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:43:56

Yes you did, right here:

Unemployment rate: 9.8%. The rest of it is either immaterial or artificial

you said the rest was either immaterial or artificial. Backtracking now are you?

Who cares? That would make them wrong, then.

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 13:47:37

Sure because only Cav gets to decide who is conservative and who isnt, sorry to burst your bubble Cav but McHugh was as conservative as they come.

Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-03 09:44:03

Anyone who thinks Corzine is not receiving outside help from every liberal group in the US is living in unicorn and skittles land.

Likewise for Hoffman, Nixon. Gimme a break. No one has cared for such a district race in my memory. At least NJ is a governor’s race.

The excuses begin. But Soros? ACORN? Can’t you guys get new boogeymen?

I have already heard unconfirmed reports out of Camden of people arriving to vote but being told an absentee ballot has already been cast in their name. I hope it isn’t true, but I also know that ACORN has been pretty active in NJ lately.

Hey, this is fine by me. Let Corzine win while embroiled in ACORN corruption. Then hang him around the neck of every Democrat running in 2010 while holding heavily taxed and unemployed New Jersey up as the model of liberal policies.

The Dems are going to lose in VA and NY-23 so it will be hillarious to watch Obama hold up this crook and his stolen election in a hellhole state as a victory. Yeah, “HOPE” that the rest of the country can look like the liberal bastions of Jersey, Detroit, and Chicago.

I guess not.

Likewise for Hoffman, Nixon. Gimme a break. No one has cared for such a district race in my memory. At least NJ is a governor’s race.

So you think Bill Clinton was just making small talk when he called the NY-23 race a referendum on the whole Progressive agenda, huh?

He was conservative on one damned issue, and 50-50 on everything else. No, that's nowhere near Conservative enough for me or anyone else (except those of you who have your heads stuck firmly up your own or Obama's asses) to call him a Conservative.

No, Cav, I am sorry.

- Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance

- YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage

- YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman

- Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package.

- Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules

- Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record

- Rated 15% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes

- Rated 100% by USBC, indicating a sealed-border stance

- Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions.

- Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.

- Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration.

- Rated 68% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record.

- Voted NO on enforcing against anti-gay hate crimes.

- Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.

- Rated 20% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes.

- Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance.

- Voted YES on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.

- Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer.

- Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR.

- Rated 17% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence.

- Rated 91% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record.

- Rated 0% by the CTJ, indicating opposition to progressive taxation.

John McHugh is a Populist-Leaning Conservative.

http://www.ontheissues.org/NY/John_McHugh.htm

You still want to pretend this guy wasn't a conservative? You still want to parrot the punditry versus someone who lives in New York and knows better?

Maybe not conservative enough for you, but he was clearly conservative, that is, on the right-wing of the spectrum.

You wanna keep this up, I bet I can find the previous guy's record too?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 13:58:15

Vega,

It wont do any good, didnt you know that every candidate must be vetted by Cav before they can be called conservative, despite what the facts are.

despite what the facts are.

Posted by whats_up

2009-11-03 14:01:50

the fact that you are a sockpuppet, crthns?

Wouldn't whats_up have to have another user-name in order to be a sockpuppet?

Just asking.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 14:29:19

He posted under crthns for a long time.

The poll’s findings, as of Sunday:

Democrat Bill Owens: 36 percent (with 69 percent “absolutely certain,” 27 percent “fairly certain.”)

Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman: 41 percent (with 80 percent “absolutely certain,” 16 percent “fairly certain.”)

Republican Dede Scozzafava: 6 percent (65 percent “absolutely certain,” 21 percent “fairly certain.”

Undecided: 18 percent

Yes you did, right here:

Unemployment rate: 9.8%. The rest of it is either immaterial or artificial

I was talking about your argument, not economic indicators in general. Still, I phrased it badly, so that's my fault. I meant to say that the economic indicators have been pumped up artificially by Washington overspending, the same way car sales were artificially — and temporarily — increased by the "cash-for-clunkers" program. Once the artificial life support from Washington runs out, the things you indicated as evidence the recession is over will slow down or even reverse themselves.

sorry to burst your bubble Cav but McHugh was as conservative as they come.

I think they come a LOT more Conservative that 50-50 siding with Democrats on most issues. Your argument is ridiculous and your premise a joke.

Cav, he pretends that the contest is meaningless, yet he can't even bring himself to acknowledge that their is a difference between the Conservative party and the Republican party. This fact alone proves he knows we are right.

So, here we are presented with issue by issue citation of McHugh's consistent conservative voting record, and yet still Cav you insist that McHugh wasn't anymore conservative than 50/50, that the district has never had a con-rep, even though we can prove the contrary and no one, no one, has provided any information that paints McHugh as a 50/50 conservative (or is that 50/50 liberal?)

The reality is the conservative base needs a catalyst to galvanize efforts throughout the country to drag the right-wing out of the wreckage that was the failures and non-accomplishments of the past 10-15 years. This is supposed to be that catalyst. A district that has been Republican (which includes conservatives) for 136 years, a seat no Dem should win, an area of New York that is the most conservative, a district that no Dem has gotten more than 33% of the vote. For a Conservative candidate that has had major personalities nationally campaigning for them.

It's a no-brainer. The right can claim this as some sort of huge victory, when actually it would only be a moral victory over its own party – the GOP. It's easy to be so excited when the odds are in your favor.

That is, if Hoffman wins the seat. It will be down-to-the-wire. And it shouldn't be for this seat.

Either the race is meaningless to the liberal cause, and thus there is no harm in acknowledging the very large significance of the fact that the party that has controlled this seat for many many years has been abandoned in favor of an objectively conservative candidate that, from all objective measurements, represents the polar opposite of the candidate who is supported by Obama, and the most conservative candidate ever to run, or the race is VERY important to the liberal cause, and thus it is necessary to lie about the difference between Hoffman and Scuzzy to downplay its importance. By logical inference, it CANNOT be both. Accordingly, Vega is a liar.

yet he can't even bring himself to acknowledge that their is a difference between the Conservative party and the Republican party.

Oh god, gimme a break. A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

I could vote for a Republican, but not usually. I remain independent only as a protest to the Dems' level of corruption & stupidity.

McHugh was FACTUALLY a conservative. Deal with it.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 13:58:15

Well, okay, if you want to cherry-pick through the man's votes…

Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending.

Voted NO on monitoring TARP funds to ensure more mortgage relief.

Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler.

Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy.

Voted YES on defining "energy emergency" on federal gas prices.

Voted YES on more funding for Mexico to fight drugs.

Voted YES on $40B for green public schools.

Voted YES on additional $10.2B for federal education & HHS projects.

Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools.

Voted NO on vouchers for private & parochial schools.

Voted YES on enforcing limits on CO2 global warming pollution.

Voted YES on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC.

Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies.

Voted YES on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol.

Voted YES on $2 billion more for Cash for Clunkers program.

Voted YES on environmental education grants for outdoor experiences.

Voted NO on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.

Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China.

Voted NO on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released.

Voted NO on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored.

Voted YES on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China.

Voted YES on $15.2 billion for foreign operations.

Acknowledge the Armenian Genocide of the early 1900s.

Voted NO on promoting free trade with Peru.

Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade.

Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement.

Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile.

Voted NO on withdrawing from the WTO.

Voted YES on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions.

Voted YES on banning soft money donations to national political parties.

Voted YES on banning soft money and issue ads.

Voted YES on regulating tobacco as a drug.

Voted YES on expanding the Children's Health Insurance Program.

Voted YES on Veto override: Extend SCHIP to cover 6M more kids.

Voted YES on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility.

Voted NO on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay.

Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients.

Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.

Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules.

Voted YES on overriding presidential veto of Farm Bill.

Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25.

Voted YES on instituting National Service as a new social invention.

Are these the votes of a rock-solid, dyed-in-the-wool Conservative? I think not.

That is, if Hoffman wins the seat. It will be down-to-the-wire. And it shouldn't be for this seat.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 14:57:40

Exactly, conservatives should run away with this contest and yet they havent.

So they picked a race that they should win, so they can then claim that this is some sort of "insurgency".

Vega, I think you'd be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

Accordingly, Vega is a liar.

Right-wing Pathetic Excuse Playbook Tactic # 321 – Call the opposition liars when all your arguments have failed.

I never said anything about Fuzzy, reader. The argument here is whether this is truly special. Conservatives taking a seat from liberals. And that is NOT the case.

Scuzzy never had the seat in the first place. She was ALOT more liberal that McHugh was.

Put it this way. If McHugh was still running, would Hoffman been able to mount an offense? No friggin way.

A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

Well, a whole bunch of voters in NY-23 beg to differ woth you there, slick.

Oh god, gimme a break. A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:01:35

There are Conservative Republicans and Liberal Republicans. There are Conservative Democrats and Liberal Democrats.

And you are deliberately being an ass about this.

Are these the votes of a rock-solid, dyed-in-the-wool Conservative? I think not.

Cav, the conclusion of OnTheIssues.org is cumulative, and it clearly labels McHugh as a Populist Conservative.

That, along with the ACU's rating, is proof that McHugh was a conservative.

I would be glad to hammer this thread with more proof, but I am afraid that I don't think its fair when no one here has produced SQUAT on McHugh and/or the district.

Vega, I think you'd be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

To the GOP, yes.

Cav, the conclusion of OnTheIssues.org is cumulative, and it clearly labels McHugh as a Populist Conservative.

That, along with the ACU's rating, is proof that McHugh was a conservative.

Vega, the conclusion of real life is definitive, and it clearly labels McHugh as a RINO on almost all issues. That, along with common sense and logic, is proof that McHugh was a squish and no Conservative at all.

That's funny, Cav.

Proof no longer matters, only the far-right need apply.

A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

57% of Conservatives don't id themselves as Republicans.

Vega, I think you'd be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

Posted by Bill_Dalasio

2009-11-03 15:04:26

ROFLMAO!!! that would reqire that he acknowledge complete defeat of his 'position' on this race! Good luck with that one!

Proof no longer matters

Sure it does. Look at the guy's votes. Abotu half the time he came down on the Right side of the aisle, and half the time he came down on the Left. That's not what a Conservative does, so your contiuing to try and paint him as a rock-ribbed Conservative is absolutely ludicrous. But keep it up; I love laughing at you.

That's funny, Cav.

Proof no longer matters, only the far-right need apply.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 15:10:58

Of course proof doesnt matter to Cav, it would upset his world view. Just move on without him, McHugh is a conservative and will be described as such, as he should be. He came from a conservative district that has had a conservative representative for the last 100 years or so and now conservatives are struggling to win, sounds like conservatism is not as strong as those on the right would like to believe. After the last eight years its no wonder they are struggling.

Let's repeat the score: A Democrat, handpicked by Obama, endorsed by every Democrat in the land, loaded with Democratic party funds, campaigned for by Obama, endorsed by the Republican candidate, who was in turn endorsed by a multitude of national Republican figures, who was herself flush with A MILLION DOLLARS of national Republican money, is going to lose to a minor third party that has never won a federal election, EVER…. and Vega contends that it don't mean a thing based on the prior congressional voting record of an Obama administration official.

It wasn't half, Cav.

Half wouldn't get you an A rating from the NRA, or a 0% rating by the HRC, or a 15% rating by the LCV, or a 100% rating by USBC, or a 20% rating by CURE, or a 17% rating by the CAF, or a 91% rating by the Christian Coalition, or a 0% rating by the CTJ or a 71% rating by the ACU.

Sorry, but history proves a contradiction in the rhetoric.

McHugh is a conservative and will be described as such, as he should be. He came from a conservative district that has had a conservative representative for the last 100 years or so

You keep usin' that word, but I do no' think it means what you think it means.

/bad Spanish accent

AS I have proved by simply showing some of his votes, McHugh was just another Liberal Republican. I have seen no evidence that NY-23 has ever sent a Conservative, Republican or any other party, to Washington.

Holy cow, Cav, I know you are staunchly & consistently conservative, but under no definition was McHugh a Liberal Republican.

Now, someone like Rudy Giuliani, he would be considered a liberal Republican. He was officially a Liberal Republican, that is, endorsed by the NY Liberal Party.

Hmmm… you know who's making robocalls on behalf of Hoffman?

Rudy.

So we can all see that this isn't really about ideals and principles, its about the TEAists sending a message to the GOP. Which is fine and appropriate, but don't insult everyone's intelligence by thinking or stating this is the beginning of realignment.

Holy cow, Cav, I know you are staunchly & consistently conservative, but under no definition was McHugh a Liberal Republican.

Well, yeah… unless you look as his voting record, and see how he voted on the issues. Then you might realise that he was Conservative on some things, Liberal on others. He was no Bastion of Conservatism and NY-23 was no Conservative Rock of Gibraltar.

but don't insult everyone's intelligence by thinking or stating this is the beginning of realignment.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:31:11

If you can promise that you will stop insulting everyone intelligence by pretending you have a clue what you are talking about.

Yeah, I didn't think so!

A conservative is no more separate from the Republican party than a liberal is to the Democrats.

Vega,

I'm sorry to have to say that I think you're being a little less than honest here. There is a distinct difference between the Conservative Party (for which Hoffman is the candidate) and the Republicans. As a fellow New Yorker, you know that. The third party exists because the NY Republican Party is so much less conservative than its national counterpart.

He was no Bastion of Conservatism and NY-23 was no Conservative Rock of Gibraltar.

I never said that. What I said is that he is not a Liberal Republican, and that the district is clearly conservative. You can cite some votes, that's fine, but one or 5 liberal votes doesn't make you liberal. When taken in its entirety, the man was a conservative. No matter how many times you say the contrary, no proof has been offered that he is even 49% liberal.

A "RINO" as you love to call them (although maybe conservatives are the RINOs now) would be significantly liberal.

He was no Bastion of Conservatism and NY-23 was no Conservative Rock of Gibraltar.

Posted by CavalierX 2009-11-03 15:33:43

CavalierX, you should be aware that D-Vega is incapable of admitting that he is wrong, even when faced with overwhelming proof of his idiocy.

You should also know that Liberals like D-Vega consider Joe Lieberman to be a Conservative, even though he agrees with Conservatives on exactly ONE issue.

It matters not to D-Vega how many Liberal positions McHugh favors. If he sides with Conservatives on just a few issues, that pushed him far enough to the Right for D-Vega to declare him Conservative.

I'm sorry to have to say that I think you're being a little less than honest here.

Fair enough, Bill. Not all Reps are Cons or Dems are Libs. But each party is rooted in their respective wings.

There is a distinct difference between the Conservative Party (for which Hoffman is the candidate) and the Republicans. As a fellow New Yorker, you know that.

Somewhat, but not that much. The Republican candidate usually gets the CP's endorsement. Giuliani used to get both the Liberal Party's and Conservative Party's endorsement. I'll let you try to figure that out.

The third party exists because the NY Republican Party is so much less conservative than its national counterpart.

Yes, that is true. The NY GOP has made a mess of itself. Not willing to buck the liberal establishment, but taking advantage of its opposition status for corruption purposes. The NY Dems aren't much better either, but they have the votes.

That strategy worked well for them when Pataki was governor and they controlled the State Senate and the NYC mayoralship.

But since they lost to Spitzer its been downhill, they just cannot distinguish themselves enough from the Dems. Upstate NY was indeed conservative, I don't care what Cav says he's wrong, and this race does prove it because otherwise Hoffman wouldn't have a chance. Democrats would have won the district years ago. These people weren't all liberal hippies and suddenly become TEAists this year. Its absurd. Upstate NY has long been the conservative part of NY. They just don't have enough people living there to make a statewide impact.

This is an election that the conservo-guy should win. It would be a horrible failure to lose this seat after big endorsements by the Four Horsemen.

But a harbinger for 2010 elections? An end to Obama's agenda?

Thats like someone winning the Nobal Peace Prize when… uh… maybe that's a bad example.

Posted by TheBaud 2009-11-03 15:42:59

Hush, little one. Children should be seen and not heard. Do not speak of things you know little about.

Do not speak of things you know little about.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 15:56:14

Then assholes like you would never utter a sound.

Guess I hit a little too close to home when you have to start your patronizing crap. Just do like you did when you got your ass handed to you on the 1964 Civil Right Act thread. Shut your mouth and run away!

first post: 9:44am. Six hours and ~100 posts later, still here, frantically using weak misdirection to convince us that NY-23 'don't mean a thing' to the liberal cause. If it were true, he wouldn't still be here.

Actually, on second thought, let me take Baud's post apart:

CavalierX, you should be aware that D-Vega is incapable of admitting that he is wrong, even when faced with overwhelming proof of his idiocy.

Maybe first you should present an iota of evidence. Anything.

You should also know that Liberals like D-Vega consider Joe Lieberman to be a Conservative, even though he agrees with Conservatives on exactly ONE issue.

Lieberman is a righteous liberal. Has been for a long, long time. He actually won the popular vote for VP at one point on a liberal agenda. Don't make up stuff that people believe, it makes you look like an idiot.

It matters not to D-Vega how many Liberal positions McHugh favors. If he sides with Conservatives on just a few issues, that pushed him far enough to the Right for D-Vega to declare him Conservative.

Its not a few issues. It's an overwhelmingly amount of issues. He is not a bedrock conservative, but he is no wheres near being a Liberal Republican, or even a moderate. At best, he was center-right. Which means CONSERVATIVE.

The problem here is that you all are parroting the lines from the radio and Palin-tweets when you know nothing of the history of that district. This population is traditionally conservative. Rural farmers. Bush won the district in 2000 and 2004.

If it were true, he wouldn't still be here.

Like I said Reader, its become a lot more interesting to see how the fate of conservatism in the Republican Party has come down to a seat a conservative should win. It's kinda putting all your money on one horse when the fix is in. It's going to be a hoot if Hoffman loses.

Just like Republicans becoming indignant when faced with the fact that Dixiecrats did join them in opposing the 1964 CRA.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-03 16:03:05

If nothing else, you are predictable, D-Vega.

The thread on the 1964 Civil Rights Act was a recent but not unique example of you being decidedly and proven wrong, but unable to admit it. To your credit in that case, you did have the good sense to realize you were being an ass and decided to run away without posting any more of your stupidity.

And as far as Joe Lieberman goes, if he were such a staunch Liberal, why did the Democrat party throw him out and support his Democrat rival in his last election? It was to punish him for supporting the war and being a Conservative. So he ran as an Independent AND WON, thereby forcing the spineless Democrats to beg him to caucus with them.

It is clear you conside McHugh a Conservative based upon his voting record, while CavalierX does nto, based upon his voting record. Stop being such an arrogant prick and acknowledge that you might be wrong about him.

p.s. early reports suggest that turnout in Democrat districts in NJ is abysmal, while strong in many conservative districts. Looking better and better in NJ. We've established that everyone knows that he knows that NY-23 DOES matter, but at least we have Vega on record acknowledging that NJ would in fact be a defeat for Obama.

p.p.s. Democrat operatives are even beginning to spin a communist-leaning district in CA, describing it as "not a slam dunk" just in case the impossible happens and the Republican makes it competitive. I can smell the fear on their breath…

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 16:06:44

Robert Byrd. Kleagle Byrd. Member and leader (one time) of a domestic terror group. Thanks for playing. I guess Al Gore SR was a rightie, wasn't he?

And if the Conservative was going to win, why was ScuzzyFuzzy leading up until the time Palin nuked her?

It's going to be a hoot if Hoffman loses.

Nope, but thanks for trying. The Democrat has all the money, he's endorsed by Obama and the Republican, who had the rest of the money. It's David vs. Goliath. This is the Democrat's to lose, regardless of what spin you choose to hear.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 15:55:00

Vega,

But, you're almost proving Cav's overall thesis (as opposed to subpoint). As you note, the GOP, especially the NYGOP, has made a point of contending that the key to success is to resemble the Dems on policy grounds. That was presumably their main reason for picking Scozzafava. The success of Hoffman suggests strongly otherwise. Moreover, it suggests strongly that the conservatives, running as such, can succeed in NY and the rest of the Northeast. To suggest that these facts do not bode ill for the Democrats, particularly liberal Democrats, is not credible.

It is clear you conside McHugh a Conservative based upon his voting record, while CavalierX does nto, based upon his voting record. Stop being such an arrogant prick and acknowledge that you might be wrong about him.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-03 16:08:20

Perhaps its Cav who is wrong, perhaps you.

Perhaps its Cav who is wrong, perhaps you.

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-03 16:17:59

No one is talking to you 'little bitch'. Return your head up D-Vega's ass and have a nice day!

At best, he was center-right. Which means CONSERVATIVE.

Hell, no, it doesn't. Center-right is center-right. Conservative means Conservative. Are you really that stupid?

Hell, no, it doesn't. Center-right is center-right. Conservative means Conservative. Are you really that stupid?

Posted by CavalierX

2009-11-03 16:25:15

Ah so this country isnt more conservative than liberal, thanks for clarifying that.

Center-right is center-right. Conservative means Conservative.

Only to you, Cav. That means you consider anything short of bedrock conservative to be liberal.

Ah so this country isnt more conservative than liberal

Can you prove your statement?

But, you're almost proving Cav's overall thesis (as opposed to subpoint). As you note, the GOP, especially the NYGOP, has made a point of contending that the key to success is to resemble the Dems on policy grounds.

Not really. Only in terms of certain social issues. You notice that the Rep candidate in Virginia is also backing away from social issues and focusing on fiscal. What they've been unwilling or unable to do is effectively fight the Dems in NY.

That was presumably their main reason for picking Scozzafava.

I don't know why they would select Scozzafava, who was more liberal than Owens are several issues. It was a poor choice.

The success of Hoffman suggests strongly otherwise.

It suggests that the area of NY in question is more conservative than a lot of people give it credit for. Looking at Mr. McHugh's record, he was also conservative.

Moreover, it suggests strongly that the conservatives, running as such, can succeed in NY and the rest of the Northeast.

That is where you guys jump the shark. It is waaaay too premature to think that, considering the pummelling conservative candidates have taken in the area. Hoffman is not the first conservative (Cap C, Cap R, whatever) to run for office. NY-23 this year is special because there is no incumbent. Because the Rep candidate was selected not through a primary. That the replacement was a poor choice. That the NY GOP is nearly dead. That this the only House race in an off year. That is the perfect storm of oppty for a conservative candidate.

To suggest that these facts do not bode ill for the Democrats, particularly liberal Democrats, is not credible.

Do you really think the Conservolution is gonna start in NY? Good luck.

This is the Democrat's to lose

Ha! They never had it to lose. But nice try. You gotta hedge your bets, right?

Do you really think the Conservolution is gonna start in NY? Good luck.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-11-03 16:54:41

Lets see, a RINO gets put out to pasture by Sarah Palin, the Democrat looks like he is trailing in the polls, and a Conservative Party candidate is leading the polls going into the voting booth.

If you weren't afraid you wouldn't have stayed here all day.

Only to you, Cav. That means you consider anything short of bedrock conservative to be liberal.

McHugh's voting record is not Conservative. Please stop lying to make a false argument that you can't back up with facts, Vega. McHugh was at best a moderate Republican, like McCain or Arlen Specter. The GOP figured that since the disctrict voted for Obama an even more Liberal Republican would really wow 'em. They were wrong. That's all there is to it.

Again, just to remind everyone of the score: A Democrat backed by Obama, campaigned for by Obama, with all the money, endorsed by the Republican, in a district carried by Obama BY 5 POINTS less than 370 days ago, is poised to lose to a 'boring' minor third-party candidate running SPECIFICALLY AGAINST Obama, yet the liberals pretend this doesn't matter. Keep whistling!!

Vega,

Now you're contradicting yourself:

NY GOP has made a mess of itself. Not willing to buck the liberal establishment, but taking advantage of its opposition status for corruption purposes.

Not really. Only in terms of certain social issues.

Vega, you have lost all credibility here.

"It doesn't matter!!!! NO, REALLY, it doesn't matter!!!, I don't care!!!, but, but, it doesn't matter!!! listen to me, please!!! I don't care!!! It doesn't matter!!! no! no! no!, It doesn't matter, I don't care!!! please! please! I tell you!! IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!!

That is where you guys jump the shark. It is waaaay too premature to think that, considering the pummelling conservative candidates have taken in the area. Hoffman is not the first conservative (Cap C, Cap R, whatever) to run for office.

Come on now, Vega. Which is it? Is the NYGOP dead in the water because of its corruption and incompetence (I'll agree with you there), or because it is hopelessly out of touch with everyone's views. If the latter, than apolgize to Cav. You're suggesting that NY is uniformly liberal.

NY-23 this year is special because there is no incumbent. Because the Rep candidate was selected not through a primary. That the replacement was a poor choice. That the NY GOP is nearly dead. That this the only House race in an off year. That is the perfect storm of oppty for a conservative candidate.

Oh, for the love of God Almighty, Vega, quit kidding yourself. My own district (Staten Island-Bay Ridge) had a conservative Republican until the last election. The only reason it switched over was that he was caught with a second family in DC and his replacement for the GOP ticket died. Conservatives can and do win in NY and the Northeast in general.

Do you really think the Conservolution is gonna start in NY? Good luck.

No, but I do think you guys are kidding yourselves or whistling past the graveyard when you pretend that the 23rd has no larger implications for national politics. I mean, let's get real, you'd be here crowing that conservatism is dead in the Northeast if Scozzafava stayed in the race and beat Hoffman, even though you seem to think this is just really a weird exception, otherwise.

So they picked a race that they should win, so they can then claim that this is some sort of “insurgency”.

Vega, I think you’d be smart enough (especially regarding NY politics) to understand that a member of the Conservative party winning a district is an insurgency.

I would say that tonight's election puts a nail in the coffin of cap and trade and obamacare.

I don't why you would think that, CT.

I don't why you would think that, CT.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 10:06:44

Why, look everyone…

D-Vega has returned to a day-old thread in a feeble attempt to get the last word in, after he so cowardly ran away from the debate last night.

Now, who could have predicted that he would be this pathetic?

What the hell are you talking about, child? I rarely post in the evening anymore.

I am responding to CT. If you have something related then proceed, otherwise stop sweating my posting patterns.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-11-04 10:23:22

How did those predictions about Hoffman work out for you Baud?

How did those predictions about Hoffman work out for you Baud?

Posted by whats_up 2009-11-04 10:46:13

And what predictions would those be, little bitch?

If you have something related then proceed, otherwise stop sweating my posting patterns.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 10:31:11

Poor little D-Vega. Have to run back to a day-old thread long after people have moved on, just to get in the last word. Funny how you have plpenty of time to post your childish and snarky remarks when it suits you, but then when you are getting slapped down, you suddenly "have to go for the evening".

And I am not sweating your posting habits, I just dearly loved pointing out what a complete prick you are. And it is so easy since you do most of the work!

Yeah, that's called sweating my posting habits. Enjoy your crow, whine and cheese.

Yeah, that's called sweating my posting habits. Enjoy your crow, whine and cheese.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-04 11:15:51

No, sweating posting habits was best defined the time you posted a response to be, then posted another 11 minutes later telling the world all the terrible things you were going to do to me since I had not responded to you. Funny that you never follwed through on any of those, D-Vega.

Funny that in that instance it took you over a day to respond to me and you NEVER followed through on your empty threats. Well, I guess you are just full of shit.

Have a nice day, asshole!

I don't why you would think that, CT.

Losing two seats that Obama pushed hard for sends a message to the Democrats who might have been wavering a bit. But then, don't believe me, believe the Blue Dogs who are saying "this will never pass unless you make major changes."

Watch and see.

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