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Democrat Truthers And Teaching 9/11 The Liberal Way
Written By : William Teach

The New Republic admits what we already knew: Democrats are Truthers (via Jonah Goldberg)

Jones was wrong, actually, in disavowing his support for 9/11 conspiracy theory. He signed the document, which can only mean that he supports the idea that 9/11 was planned, or that the Bushies knew something more than they have said, or at least that the charge is plausible enough to require investigation.

But support for that idea is hardly unknown among people of the left – and often gestural in its own way; look one of these types in the eye and ask “Do you really think George Bush and his cabinet engineered the murder of thousands and have kept the secret for eight years?” and watch the nervous pause and the look off into the distance. Speculations in this vein hardly meant that Jones was not sincerely committed to working within the government to do good.

Let’s remember the study about 9/11 in which 61 Percent of Democrats either believe or are not sure that Bush knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps this could explain why the vast majority of the media didn’t even bother mentioningthe Van Jones fiasco until he resigned. And, perhaps, it could explain why the Obama administration did not care about the Trutherism of Jones when they hired him.

Meanwhile, up in New Jersey, they are going to teach students about 9/11. Supposedly

As many New Jersey schools reopened this week, they immediately will grapple with Friday’s anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil.

How do they remember the 9/11 attacks in a meaningful way for students and, more importantly, how do they teach children about it?

To help schools address those questions and teach what many consider a daunting subject, dozens of New Jersey classrooms this fall will begin a piloting curriculum on 9/11 and global terrorism that has been developed over the last year.

The agenda will be optional for teachers. On first blush, you might say “hey, they’re mostly liberals, so, they’ll probably ignore the program.” Ah, but, it appears that the program may be a little, shall we say, funky?

Many current history and social studies textbooks discuss 9/11 and schools hold memorials each September, but few went beyond that, said those involved in the project.

“They kind of balked at giving students context of why it happened, and could it happen again,” Salamone said.

They want to turn this into a “teachable moment,” rather than just a rememberance, and, we all know what the Left thinks of the context of why it happened. Remember, so many of them were coming out and blaming America for 9/11 right after it happened, and wanted to have a conversation on what America could do to make the world stop hating us.

Winkler said the lessons wrestle with the differences between terrorists and freedom fighters, and how the United States is viewed by others around the world. Students also learn how day-to-day life has been changed by the 9/11 attacks, and ways in which people create memorials and remembrances.

The youngest students learn about bullying, the fear it instills in children and why some people act as bullies, Simpkins said.

In a high school unit, students work to define terrorism and discuss violent acts, from the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado to the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

In other words, what did we do wrong to make these terrorist nutjobs attack us.

I’d like to see the whole curriculum for verification, but, those paragraphs about it do not instill confidence.

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove

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  • CoolCzech

    But at least Liberal Truthers aren't so stupid as to wonder why it is, exactly, that Obama won't release a copy of his original birth certificate.

    Or his college transcripts.

    Or his graduate thesis.

    Or his medical records.

    Or his…

  • D-Vega

    Thanks, Czech.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    CC,

    Ignore Vega. He's being his pissy-headed little self today because, like any other good obedient liberal, Vega believes in two sets of rules: one for liberals and the other for the American people.

    Vega conveniently "looked the other way" when a lawsuit was brought to McCain, forcing him to release his birth certificate See "Overview" "part 1":

    moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/Hollander-Complaint-3-14-08.pdf

    McCain released his long form birth certificate and now it's wrong to ask for equal treatment to Obama. I guess the only way to get equal treatment is to go to court to demand it. Vega will support that, right?

    The Navy released McCain's military record after a Freedom of Information request from the AP:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24518450/

    That's just for starters.

    Remember, don't dare ask because you're a racist if you do so.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    And just for the record, Vega, the press was also diligent with Kerry's records as well. Interesting how the press cared about every Republican and Democrat presidential candidate EXCEPT Obama.

    What you call a "conspiracy theory" we call "equal treatment."

    Go ahead, feel free to "inform" us why we're sooooooooo wrong!

  • CoolCzech

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 10:20:19

    D-Vega has a crushing lack of intellectual curiosity about why it is, exactly, Obama has so much he'd rather not have us see.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    D-Vega has a crushing lack of intellectual curiosity about why it is, exactly, Obama has so much he'd rather not have us see.

    Posted by CoolCzech

    2009-09-09 10:24:56

    And somehow this is our fault.

    Vega, there is an easy answer to this. Have Congress pass a law prohibiting the release of personal records for all future candidates. That way, both parties will be exempt from releasing their personal information. After all it's the fair thing to do, you know, leveling the playing field and all that sort of stuff!

    Awaiting Vega's whiny responses in 5…4…3…2…

  • RWNReader2

    And so it will come to pass into the American conscience that 9/11 was nothing more than a reaction to some rouge government agents, with innocent American citizens simply caught in the nasty crossfire of some obscure battle in which America had no real stake. And our children and grandchildren will have learned nothing, just like the liberals we allow to control our schools…

  • whats_up

    Posted by RWNReader2

    2009-09-09 10:30:59

    You poor conservatives, you are such victims. I thought conservatives werent in the victim mentality, guess alot has changed.

  • whats_up

    McCain released his long form birth certificate and now it's wrong to ask for equal treatment to Obama. I guess the only way to get equal treatment is to go to court to demand it. Vega will support that, right?

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 10:20:19

    King,

    By all means take Obama to court…again, and watch the courts continue to throw out the cases. Every time a case gets filled it gets thrown out somewhere along the line, why, because Obama has meet his burden according to the law on this issue, but by all means waste the courts time and continue to look foolish.

  • CoolCzech

    whats_up,

    WHY would Obama waste time & money in the courts, instead of just releasing the damned birth certificate?

    Aren't you even the least big curious?

  • tblrk2006

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 10:44:04

    So when liberals ask to see McCains they get to….but when others ask to see obamas they dont? You are living proof of the two sets of rules.

  • tblrk2006

    WHY would Obama waste time & money in the courts, instead of just releasing the damned birth certificate?

    Aren't you even the least big curious?

    Posted by CoolCzech

    2009-09-09 10:49:37

    Whats up doesnt care. Remember czech, the ends justify the means to these clowns.

  • D-Vega

    So this topic about the silliness of truthers turns into silliness of birthers.

    That's why I thanked Czech.

  • whats_up

    Aren't you even the least big curious?

    Posted by CoolCzech

    2009-09-09 10:49:37

    No I am not, he has meet his burden of proof. Why would I be curious at this point, if he had not meet his burden I might, but since he has, no I dont think anything else needs to be done. It is the birthers you cant face reality on this issue, I saw where Orly filed another law suit claiming she had another BC from Kenya, interestingly enough it doesnt look anything like the last one at all, but again it is a waste of time and money and contiues to make those on the right who support this look foolish, which is why IMHO Obama continue to play this out, every time it happens the fringe right looks loonier and loonier.

  • D-Vega

    I'll get to you next, King.

  • tblrk2006

    No I am not, he has meet his burden of proof.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:04:23

    I think the correct way to put it would be the hawaiian official that claims to have seen it, has met his burden of proof.

  • whats_up

    I think the correct way to put it would be the hawaiian official that claims to have seen it, has met his burden of proof.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 11:08:52

    Oh that vast conspiracy, and every court that has thrown out the multiple cases, are they in on it too. Just how hi does this go, every Sec of State of all 50 states confirmed that Obama was eligible, are they part of this conspiracy as well. Not one member of the House stood up to protest Obama when the time came, are they part of this conspiracy as well?

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Looks like the Libs have managed to sucessfully hijack the thread. Let's get back to the topic: how dirtbag Liberals are teaching kids in schools that 9/11 was America's fault.

  • D-Vega

    We didn't hijack anything, Cav.

    And there is no proof that anyone is teaching kids in school that 9/11 was America's fault.

  • whats_up

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 11:12:57

    No one is teaching that, but continue to try and "scare" people. Why things occured is a very important critical thinking skill and should be encouraged in every subject matter.

  • CoolCzech

    Why would I be curious?

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:04:23

    Thank you, what_up.

    So much for the silliness of birthers.

    Incidentally, D-Vega, I don't doubt Obama's citizenship. I'm just curious about the near total blackout about this guy's past. I mean, he's sold as a great intellectual but hides his transcripts. He's proud of his Kenyan roots but hides his birth certificate. He's got great abs, but hides his medical records. He admits to goofing around in High School but won't explain how it was he got admitted to an Ivy League school.

  • TheBaud

    Why things occured is a very important critical thinking skill and should be encouraged in every subject matter.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:19:12

    So when a group of people break into your house and destroy your property, kill your children, and rape your wife; you will be using your 'critical thinking skills' and will endeavor to find out why this occurred and what you did that made it happen?

  • CoolCzech

    Why things occured is a very important critical thinking skill and should be encouraged in every subject matter.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:19:12

    EXACTLY.

    WHY Obama is embarrassed by his birth certificate, his transcripts, his medical records.. is a very important critical thinking skill, one you obviously lack and should be encouraged to develop.

  • whats_up

    So when a group of people break into your house and destroy your property, kill your children, and rape your wife; you will be using your 'critical thinking skills' and will endeavor to find out why this occurred and what you did that made it happen?

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 11:22:54

    Why do you assume that we would have done something to make this happen, perhaps we did, perhaps we didnt. In order to solve a problem you must first know the problem.

  • tblrk2006

    Oh that vast conspiracy, and every court that has thrown out the multiple cases, are they in on it too. Just how hi does this go, every Sec of State of all 50 states confirmed that Obama was eligible, are they part of this conspiracy as well. Not one member of the House stood up to protest Obama when the time came, are they part of this conspiracy as well?

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:11:03

    Its not a conspiracy……its a fact that the hawaiian govt does not release the long form. The rest of the govt is just going along with that states law. There is nothing wrong with that…….except that obama has shown himself to be very sneaky, a lier, and not trustworthy. For those reasons we want him to take an additional step(the same you asked of mccain) and prove he is from hawaii. You would think he would jump all over that to shut some critics up. That would be valuable political captial for him to use. But for some reason he isnt….wonder why?

  • TheBaud

    Why do you assume that we would have done something to make this happen, perhaps we did, perhaps we didnt. In order to solve a problem you must first know the problem.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:26:57

    Exactly, what did you do that made the thugs rape your wife and kill your children. It is YOUR fault for living in that neighborhood and giving them the target, why it was just too much for them to resist.

    Do you really think anyone is believing your BS?

  • tblrk2006

    In order to solve a problem you must first know the problem.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:26:57

    Ah yes, the lefts tactic for fighting radical islam…you know, those middle eastern looking people. What did we do to make them want to cut heads off?

  • whats_up

    Exactly, what did you do that made the thugs rape your wife and kill your children. It is YOUR fault for living in that neighborhood and giving them the target, why it was just too much for them to resist.

    Do you really think anyone is believing your BS?

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 11:30:42

    Sometimes things happen that are no ones fault, but we dont know unless we examine them.

  • whats_up

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 11:28:54

    And he has done so to the satisfaction of every court in the land who has heard the numerous cases involved. He has released the same BC that any other citizen of Hawaii would release when asked for their birth cerficate but somehow that is still not good enough for you. Last time I checked Obama had no obligation to satisfy YOUR curosity.

  • whats_up

    But for some reason he isnt….wonder why?

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 11:28:54

    Thats easy, because it continues to make you birthers look foolish, which is a win for the Dems and Obama.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    In order to solve a problem you must first know the problem.

    Well, the problem is these radical Muslim terrorists who believe their god has declared we must all convert or die. Our solution is to disrupt their networks, bankrupt their funding, and kill as many of their leaders we we can find. Yours? "Reach out" to them and ask why they hate us. Offer them incentives to have peace talks. Apologise for offending them. Bow to their kings, brown-nose their leaders and alter our own culture so as not to cause offense. In other words your solution: surrender.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    And he has done so to the satisfaction of every court in the land who has heard the numerous cases involved.

    What court heard this case?

    He has released the same BC that any other citizen of Hawaii would release when asked for their birth cerficate

    He has not released any birth certificate, only a laser-printed assurance that a birth certificate exists in the archives which is clearly marked to show it is only "prima facie" proof — that is, at first glance.

    Last time I checked Obama had no obligation to satisfy YOUR curosity.

    He is my employee, taking my dollar.

  • whats_up

    He has not released any birth certificate, only a laser-printed assurance that a birth certificate exists in the archives which is clearly marked to show it is only "prima facie" proof — that is, at first glance.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 11:47:24

    Actually thats incorrect Cav but continue to make your arguments. The BC that Obama has provided is acceptable in every state in this country as proof that he was born in Hawaii.

    What court heard this case?

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 11:47:24

    Numerous courts throughout the land have looked at and heard arguments on why these cases should continue, not one has ruled in favor of continuiance, not ONE.

  • whats_up

    He is my employee, taking my dollar.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 11:47:24

    Show me in Statute or Codified law that this means that he has to satisfy YOUR curosity.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    So this topic about the silliness of truthers turns into silliness of birthers.

    Yes, because clearly believing the President may not have been born in the United States is exactly the same as believing the President may have murdered thousands of Americans.

    You're a fucking idiot.

  • whats_up

    Yes, because clearly believing the President may not have been born in the United States is exactly the same as believing the President may have murdered thousands of Americans.

    Posted by mightysamurai

    2009-09-09 11:51:55

    Yes the kookiness exhibited by both groups is astounding.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Show me in Statute or Codified law that this means that he has to satisfy YOUR curosity.

    Yeah, Cav. Don't you know His Royal Highness Obama doesn't have to listen to the petty concerns of worthless plebes like you?

  • D-Vega

    Ignore Vega. He's being his pissy-headed little self today because, like any other good obedient liberal, Vega believes in two sets of rules: one for liberals and the other for the American people.

    I’m sure you had as much “curiosity” about Bush’s BC.

    Vega conveniently "looked the other way" when a lawsuit was brought to McCain, forcing him to release his birth certificate See "Overview" "part 1":

    Looked the other way? I didn’t even know about that until after the fact.

    McCain released his long form birth certificate and now it's wrong to ask for equal treatment to Obama. I guess the only way to get equal treatment is to go to court to demand it. Vega will support that, right?

    Really? His long-form, original BC? Where is it? Can I see it?

    The Navy released McCain's military record after a Freedom of Information request from the AP:

    Ssssso?

    And just for the record, Vega, the press was also diligent with Kerry's records as well. Interesting how the press cared about every Republican and Democrat presidential candidate EXCEPT Obama.

    McCain did not release all of his medical records. Neither did Sarah Palin.

    Vega, there is an easy answer to this. Have Congress pass a law prohibiting the release of personal records for all future candidates. That way, both parties will be exempt from releasing their personal information. After all it's the fair thing to do, you know, leveling the playing field and all that sort of stuff! Awaiting Vega's whiny responses in 5…4…3…2…

    Fine. You do that. The problem I have is that you want to change the rules in the middle, and claim that it’s fair.

    If you want to pass a law with stricter requirements, then do that. It still wouldn’t apply to Obama.

  • D-Vega

    Yes, because clearly believing the President may not have been born in the United States is exactly the same as believing the President may have murdered thousands of Americans. You're a fucking idiot.

    Wow. Who said that? Jump any sharks recently?

    Looks like the only fucking idiot here is you.

    Yeah, Cav. Don't you know His Royal Highness Obama doesn't have to listen to the petty concerns of worthless plebes like you?

    No, what Obama has to do is meet the Constitutional standard. Not Cav's. Not yours. The Constitution. And he has done that. End of story.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Numerous courts throughout the land

    Then you should be able to provide me with multiple citations.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Who said that?

    You did, D-Vega. Can't you even keep track of your own stupidity?

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Sometimes things happen that are no ones fault

    Sure, like a rogue asteroid striking the Earth. But when 19 men hijack airplanes and fly (or attempt to fly) them into buildings, that's a deliberate act.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Show me in Statute or Codified law that this means that he has to satisfy YOUR curosity.

    Whoa, now, child… when I did I mention the law? It seems awfully telling to me that when someone says "can you show me the birth certificate?" Obama's defenders demand that they be shown a law which requires it. So defensive… and that's why I continue to wonder. Frankly, I believe Obama was probably born in Hawaii. It's the reaction to asking for his birth certificate that keeps me wondering what everyone's hiding. Does it say he's a Muslim on there or something?

  • http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

    Show me in Statute or Codified law that this means that he has to satisfy YOUR curosity.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:51:13

    Let's see, FOIA ring a bell? Or how about YOU SHOW US LAW THAT SAYS HE DDOESN'T have to satisfy our curiosity!! He is OUR employee, and since we have to show proof of OUR eligibility to work, IT IS THE LAW, why doesn't he?

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Really? His long-form, original BC? Where is it? Can I see it?

    Sure thing!
    http://tinyurl.com/lwe5ye
    Any other stupid questions?

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    Any other stupid questions?

    I don't think RWN has enough bandwidth to handle all of D-Vega's stupid questions.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    I don't think RWN has enough bandwidth to handle all of D-Vega's stupid questions.

    Nor do I have the patience.

  • whats_up

    Let's see, FOIA ring a bell? Or how about YOU SHOW US LAW THAT SAYS HE DDOESN'T have to satisfy our curiosity!! He is OUR employee, and since we have to show proof of OUR eligibility to work, IT IS THE LAW, why doesn't he?

    Posted by bthewolf

    2009-09-09 12:36:17

    Wolf,

    Its not the law that he has to satisfy your curiosity, as has been pointed out all he has to do is meet the criteria set forth by the constitution, which he has done, end of story.

  • D-Vega

    You got me there, Cav.

    A PDF is enough for me in terms of McCain.

    Although I could just say that anything could be forged, especially something from way back in 1936.

    But of course, I wouldn't do that, as that would be a conspiracy theory.

  • http://wastingtimewithalex.com/ AlexinCT

    Obama is not releasing his birth certificate for the same reasons he is not releasing any documentation abut his school years or anything else: they would show he is nothing but a mediocre empty suit.

    Remember how we got told Kerry was a brilliant intellectual and a hero? Well when we got his school records we found out he scored lower grades than GWB had. We never got his Navy records because he likely got a pardon from Carter for his treasonous actions during the Vietnam conflict which led to some kind of reprimand or some such other negative action. Not to mention that this information could have been used to unmask the parade of lies – like his Cambodia story – Kerry told about the whole war.

    Obama’s reluctance to release stuff is more of the same. The illusion he was someone other than a fraud would go down in flames.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    The Constitution. And he has done that. End of story.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 12:20:15

    Then name the process that any news organization can implement to obtain the record.

    You say he has done that so a process must be in place.

    We're waiting.

  • http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

    Woah! Mega thread jacking! :)

  • whats_up

    Then name the process that any news organization can implement to obtain the record.

    You say he has done that so a process must be in place.

    We're waiting.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 13:34:14

    They cant, birth records, medical records and school records are private and dont fall under FOIA. However to be certified in every state that states sec of state must verify that the person running for office is qualified all fifty states Sec of State did so. Remember in this country it is up to those accusing someone of a misdeed to prove its true.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    By all means take Obama to court…again, and watch the courts continue to throw out the cases.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 10:44:04

    Really? Then explain this, DUMBASS:

    A California judge today tentatively scheduled a trial for Jan. 26, 2010, for a case that challenges Barack Obama's eligibility to be president based on questions over his qualifications under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.

    But the judge did not immediately rule on Taitz' motion to be granted discovery – that is the right to see the president's still-concealed records. Nor did Carter rule immediately on a motion to dismiss the case, submitted by the U.S. government, following discussion over Taitz' challenge to the work of a magistrate in the case.

    The judge did comment that if there are legitimate constitutional questions regarding Obama's eligibility, they need to be addressed and resolved.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109...
    It seems that somebody isn't buying your bullshit.

    And he has done that. End of story.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 12:20:15

    Then why is Obama spending lots of money to prevent his records from being released?
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106...
    Why is Obama's attorney moving to dismiss this if he already released them and why doesn't the judge recommend this?

    Obviously, you're lying again.

    Hollister is the very same person who challenged McCain's eligibility (see my first post). Therefore, why cannot Hollister obtain Obama's records like he did with McCain's? Why do you seek special privileges for Obama only?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    They cant, birth records, medical records and school records are private and dont fall under FOIA. However to be certified in every state that states sec of state must verify that the person running for office is qualified all fifty states Sec of State did so. Remember in this country it is up to those accusing someone of a misdeed to prove its true.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 13:38:27

    You failed to explain how Hollister was able to obtain McCain's medical records. Besides, I thought Obama released his records so your argument falls flat (yet again).

  • whats_up

    You failed to explain how Hollister was able to obtain McCain's medical records. Besides, I thought Obama released his records so your argument falls flat (yet again).

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 13:47:04

    Hollister was able to obtain McCains medical records because McCain released that information. Obama released some info and didnt release others, which he is not required to do by the way.

  • Bill_Dalasio

    Don't you libs Obama would spare you all the energy and silly "birther" talking points by just releasing the documents?

    Why would he want to do that, when we allow ourselves to get bogged down in the issue?

  • D-Vega

    Thereby implying that trutherism and birtherism is somehow equivalent. Thank you for proving my argument. You may go now.

    They are equivalent in terms of them both being conspiracy theories and both being silly. Which is what I just said.

    I didn't say they were "the same" as in saying the President faked his BC is the same as the President being part of a plan to murder thousands of Americans.

    You called me a fucking idiot while lying about what I said, now you are moving the goalposts so it's "somehow equivalent".

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    They cant, birth records, medical records and school records are private and dont fall under FOIA.

    Really? Then how could the press….

    - Obtain McCain's medical and military records?

    - Obtain Bush's drunk driving arrest?

    - Obtain John McCain's thesis when he was in school?

    - Obtain the court's decision on McCain's divorce?

    - Obtain Bush's Yale transcript?

    - Obtain John Kerry's school transcript and medical records?

    - Obtain Al Gore's military and medical records?

    - Obtain Bob Dole's medical and military records?

    - Obtain Bill Clinton's school and medical records?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Hollister was able to obtain McCains medical records because McCain released that information. Obama released some info and didnt release others, which he is not required to do by the way.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 13:54:02

    Release of a birth certificate is a Constitutional mandate. Obama chose to run for president so he is required to prove his eligibility.

  • whats_up

    Release of a birth certificate is a Constitutional mandate. Obama chose to run for president so he is required to prove his eligibility.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 13:56:55

    Which Obama has allready done, thanks for playing.

  • D-Vega

    Release of a birth certificate is a Constitutional mandate.

    No, it's not. No where in the Constitution does it say that.

    It's says you have to be natural born, which the BC can be used to document that.

    And Obama has proved his eligibility.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    First, there's this:

    No I am not, he has meet his burden of proof.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 11:04:23

    Then, there's this:

    Obama released some info and didnt release others, which he is not required to do by the way.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 13:54:02

    Once again, I have whats_up chasing his own tail. It's so enjoyable!

    Hey w_u, did you find the 13th Amendment yet? ROFL!

  • whats_up

    Really? Then how could the press….

    - Obtain McCain's medical and military records?

    Because McCain released this information

    - Obtain Bush's drunk driving arrest?

    That is a matter of public record and can be accessed

    - Obtain John McCain's thesis when he was in school?

    Depends if it was published it then becomes viewable by the public.

    - Obtain the court's decision on McCain's divorce?

    Again public record as are all legal procedings unless sealed by a judge.

    - Obtain Bush's Yale transcript?

    Bush released this

    - Obtain John Kerry's school transcript and medical records?

    Kerry released these.

    - Obtain Al Gore's military and medical records?

    Gore released this information.

    - Obtain Bob Dole's medical and military records?

    Dole released this information.

    - Obtain Bill Clinton's school and medical records?

    Clinton released this information.

    Hope that helps clear up your confusion King.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 13:55:08

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Which Obama has allready done, thanks for playing.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 13:59:24

    And Obama has proved his eligibility.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 14:00:27

    Yeah, which explains the lawsuit demanding to release it. Thanks for playing.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    whats_up: Kerry/Clinton/Bush released these…

    And Obama didn't release his. Thanks for playing.

  • whats_up

    And Obama didn't release his. Thanks for playing.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 14:03:25

    King,

    He is not required to release this information, you may not like it, but Obama has acted within the law.

  • whats_up

    Yeah, which explains the lawsuit demanding to release it. Thanks for playing.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 14:02:41

    Which one, you mean one of the many that have been thrown out? Ya those worked real well didnt they?

  • Mike_M

    The real story here is Van Jones and yet ANOTHER failed member of the Obama Soviet Administration…a crackpot communist kook that Obama personally hired to run one of his most important policy initiatives.

    Forget where he was or wasn't born, Obama obviously has outrageously poor executive ability and judgement. If there was even a shred of integrity or curiosity on the part of the media, several more Obama Soviet Administration members would be put out to pasture as well.

    Of course the resident libs are going to carry on about Obama's birth certificate. They're terrified at what an honest discussion of the Obama Soviet Administration might reveal next.

  • D-Vega

    Wow, King, you are really out there on this issue.

    You do know that this argument is pretty much over and you lost, right? Months ago?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    He is not required to release this information, you may not like it, but Obama has acted within the law.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 14:04:24

    You said before that he met his burden of proof which would require him to release his information.

    Thank you for proving yourself as a lying dumbfuck, once again.

    Which one, you mean one of the many that have been thrown out? Ya those worked real well didnt they?

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 14:05:01

    You mean, the link I provided that shows that the trial is moving forward? THAT LINK?

    (rolls eyes)

  • tblrk2006

    Which Obama has allready done, thanks for playing.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 13:59:24

    No, a hawaiian state official released a cirtificate of live birth, not the actual BC. Under that states law only officials can see the actual BC. I would call this official business and we need to see it. What are you guys hiding?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    You do know that this argument is pretty much over and you lost, right? Months ago?

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 14:07:42

    Which explains why this is still active. Maybe that explains why you're acting like a pissy little bitch and am whining over it. Typical….that often happens when you lose.

  • tblrk2006

    You do know that this argument is pretty much over and you lost, right? Months ago?

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 14:07:42

    Translation….."please move on from this b/c obama has something to hide and it will fuck us all if its found out."

  • D-Vega

    Who's being a bitch here, King?

    - This thread wasn't even ABOUT Obama's BC, until CONSERVATIVES took it in that direction.

    - This is about the 98th time we've discussed this issue, and you've lost each time.

    - Even conservatives at RWN admit this is not only a waste of time, but a closed issue.

    - Numerous lawsuits have been thrown out already on this issue.

    - There are overwhelming facts that prove Obama is native born.

    - Obama doesn't owe the Birthers (who would oppose/dislike/hate him regardless) a god-damn thing.

    - Obama has met the Constitutional standard for being natural born.

    - Other people's records were released because those people released them. That is irrelevant to this issue.

    - The Birther issue is for those who can face the fact that Obama is President. That's why no matter what proof is ever given, they will just ask for more. That's why this is still "alive".

    - YOU are the pissy little bitch.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    - This thread wasn't even ABOUT Obama's BC, until CONSERVATIVES took it in that direction.

    Then why respond to it?

    - This is about the 98th time we've discussed this issue, and you've lost each time.

    Then why respond to it? The only time you respond to something you claim to 'win' is when you lose.

    - Even conservatives at RWN admit this is not only a waste of time, but a closed issue.

    OK, so? The vast majority of conservatives here think you're a dickhead so that must be true.

    - Numerous lawsuits have been thrown out already on this issue.

    Really? Not all of them have been thrown out.

    - There are overwhelming facts that prove Obama is native born.

    Like what?

    - Obama doesn't owe the Birthers (who would oppose/dislike/hate him regardless) a god-damn thing.

    Yeah, the nerve a politician prove his eligibility to the American people. Your arrogance is showing.

    - Obama has met the Constitutional standard for being natural born.

    You just said he doesn't owe anybody a damn thing and now you're claiming he has proven it. Where is the evidence, dickhead?

    - Other people's records were released because those people released them. That is irrelevant to this issue.

    Ah yes, the typical "everybody's equal but we're superior" excuse.

    - The Birther issue is for those who can face the fact that Obama is President. That's why no matter what proof is ever given, they will just ask for more. That's why this is still "alive".

    No, I just do it because it pisses you off. To be honest, I'm enjoying this because I know you get angry when you lose.

    - YOU are the pissy little bitch.

    Then why are you the one acting like a pissy little bitch? Get back to me when you have provided the so-called "evidence."

  • tblrk2006

    - There are overwhelming facts that prove Obama is native born.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 14:17:47

    Everything but the official piece of paper that says he was. Until then we are just going on the word of a democrat hawaiian official. You havent proven shit. You are relying on a goofy hawaiian law to cover something. I would say obama needs all the political help he can get right now…..come on obama, prove it.

  • D-Vega

    Wow. Point proven.

  • tblrk2006

    Wow. Point proven.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 14:28:00

    Son, what on earth have you "proven?"

  • Realpolitik

    OhMyWeepingGawd.

    Obama is president – get an effing grip already.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Tblrk,

    Notice that Vega is claiming that Obama has "proven" his eligibility but refuses to provide details on how he knows this so-called "evidence" exists.

    I love proving the hypocrisy of idiots like Vega. As I've said before I'm only asking for equal treatment to all candidates but yet, Obama thinks he's better than everybody else.

    Besides, Obama is sinking like a stone. The more he talks about health care reform the more his poll numbers drop. Meanwhile, it's so much fun distracting Vega's short attention span while his false prophet is fumbling around like an idiot.

  • tblrk2006

    Obama is president – get an effing grip already.

    Posted by Realpolitik

    2009-09-09 14:37:27

    He is certainly crashing at the white house isnt he.

  • Realpolitik

    while his false prophet is fumbling around like an idiot.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    Vega has gone over to Palin?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    The Birther issue is for those who can face the fact that Obama is President. That's why no matter what proof is ever given, they will just ask for more. That's why this is still "alive".

    Yes Vega, I can face the fact that Obama is president.

    HINT: The obvious giveaway is when I have been calling him "President Obama" or "the President." Face facts, Vega, but I've accepted that the moment Obama won the presidency. Now, grow up for a change.

    And, for the record, I've said numerous times that I'll be convinced once Obama releases his record. I'm not going to be one of these nutjobs (like you) who constantly move the goalposts when evidence is provided.

    Again I'll say it, I'll be convinced once Obama releases his birth certificate.

    Now, why do you hold different standards for Obama than for everyone else?

  • Realpolitik

    while his false prophet is fumbling around like an idiot.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    Well, the Right do keep referring to him as the Messaih.

  • Realpolitik

    why do you hold different standards for Obama than for everyone else?

    Posted by Kingfisher

    Well, the Right do keep referring to him as the Messaih.

    Oops – see – even I am awed into making a mistake by merely seeing his name.

  • whats_up

    Really? Not all of them have been thrown out.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 14:23:06

    Your right King there is still one that is active, come Oct 5 it may not be though, that is when the judge will rule to either let it proceed to trial or throw it out, based on the evidence I believe that it will be the latter.

  • whats_up

    Everything but the official piece of paper that says he was. Until then we are just going on the word of a democrat hawaiian official. You havent proven shit. You are relying on a goofy hawaiian law to cover something. I would say obama needs all the political help he can get right now…..come on obama, prove it.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 14:26:19

    Actually he has released that, but you birthers keep claiming its not real, despite the Hawaiian officials stating that it is, keep digging your hole, its getting bigger by the day.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    I believe that it will be the latter.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:01:55

    Yeah, you "believe." Your batting average isn't very good in that department, whats_up_your_ass.

  • whats_up

    Yeah, the nerve a politician prove his eligibility to the American people. Your arrogance is showing.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 14:23:06

    King you keep claiming that he has to show his eligibility to the American people, where did you get this idea? The Constitution doesnt that he has to prove his eligibility to the American people, can you point to where you are getting this info. Oh thats right you cant, thanks for playing.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Actually he has released that, but you birthers keep claiming its not real, despite the Hawaiian officials stating that it is, keep digging your hole, its getting bigger by the day.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:03:35

    How can Hawaiian officials claim that the certificate in question is authentic when you claimed that he doesn't have to release it? That would mean that he released it which means he can open it to the general public.

    PWNED!

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    They are equivalent

    Yes, I said that. Thank you for proving my argument again in addition to providing yet another example of your inability to understand simple English words.

    equivalent |i?kwiv?l?nt|

    adjective

    equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.

    noun

    a person or thing that is equal to or corresponds with another in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.

    If you really think accusing the President of possibly being born in another country is equivalent to accusing the President of being a homicidal maniac then you're dumber than I ever thought you could be.

  • whats_up

    Yeah, you "believe." Your batting average isn't very good in that department, whats_up_your_ass.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:04:30

    Well lets see, what case have the birthers prevailed in, oh thats right not one, interesting that you now think they will, it will be funny to watch your reaction come the 5th of Oct. Of course you will think up some other dumbass excuse, typical of you birthers.

  • whats_up

    How can Hawaiian officials claim that the certificate in question is authentic when you claimed that he doesn't have to release it? That would mean that he released it which means he can open it to the general public.

    PWNED!

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:05:47

    No it doesnt, put keep trying to spin it anyway you want. The Hawaiian officials verified that the BC that HE ALREADY RELEASED was accurate, so what other BC is he suppose to release King, one of your imagination.

  • TheBaud

    Well lets see, what case have the birthers prevailed in, oh thats right not one…

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:06:59

    Whats_up, can you provide for me an example of an issue the Left held where they lost in court or in the ballot box, and they said 'Oh Well" and dropped it?

    Your side is famous for ignoring the will of the people, ignoring case law, and ignoring reason to push your agenda through. It is very hypocritical of you to criticize in the birthers the very behaviour you yourself espouse.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:08:37

    He proved it….except that he didn't prove it….except that he doesn't have to prove it….except that he proved it already….except that nobody has to prove it….except…except….except…..

    Now do you understand why I love poking fun at you? You're so fucking stupid, I have you chasing your own tail. I have you contradicting yourself.

    Still haven't found the 13th Amendment yet? ROFLMAO!

  • tblrk2006

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:08:37

    Wrong. They released a cirtificate of live birth that is supposed to be used in place of the actual birth cirtificate. that we cannot see. The two times hawaiian officials were asked to veryify the authenticity, they just said "yes, ive seen the real one." Maybe thats good for you b/c you got your president government, but the rest of us want to see the real thing. Not take somebodies word for it.

  • whats_up

    Wrong. They released a cirtificate of live birth that is supposed to be used in place of the actual birth cirtificate. that we cannot see.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:15:25

    Where did you get the idea that YOU were allowed to see it? Conservatives keep coming back to this point, can you show me anywhere where it says that the President must show his BC to every single American, I cant seem to locate that.

  • D-Vega

    If you really think accusing the President of possibly being born in another country is equivalent to accusing the President of being a homicidal maniac then you're dumber than I ever thought you could be

    Let's clarify once again for the tragically stupid.

    I said "They are equivalent in terms of them both being conspiracy theories and both being silly."

    "in terms" is what is called a conditional.

    You are once again trying to cover-up the fact that you are lying about what was said.

  • whats_up

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:14:12

    LOL, you're right it is fun watching you freak out over this non-issue, conservatives have been doing that alot lately.

  • TheBaud

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:15:25

    On a side note, does anyone here remember the position D-Vega and whats_up took during…

    1) The controversy on John Kerry's service records, which the Left said he released but he never did?

    2) The controvery on President Bush's National Guard Service, where the Left claimed that he never provided supporting documentation but he actually did?

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    King you keep claiming that he has to show his eligibility to the American people, where did you get this idea? The Constitution doesnt that he has to prove his eligibility to the American people, can you point to where you are getting this info. Oh thats right you cant, thanks for playing.

    So you admit that he hasn't proven his eligibility, and that he's hiding something. Thanks for playing.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Where did you get the idea that YOU were allowed to see it?

    So, you're admitting you have no evidence that he provided it…which….contradicts….what….you….said….earlier.

    Like shooting fish in a barrel.

    If you really think accusing the President of possibly being born in another country is equivalent to accusing the President of being a homicidal maniac then you're dumber than I ever thought you could be.

    Posted by mightysamurai

    2009-09-09 15:06:51

    I love the part where whats_up is fine with 9/11 truthers in the WH and has a bigger issue when somebody questions Hopey McChange. These 100+ posts aren't about the 9/11 truthers.

  • D-Vega

    Now, why do you hold different standards for Obama than for everyone else?

    You are the one who has a double-standard here, King.

    You have a different standard for Obama than everyone else.

    Sarah Palin has not released all of her records. What is she afraid of? Why are her medical records such a secret?

    Would I care if she was VP? Nope. Would I care if one day she becomes President? Nope. Because she is not required to.

    That's called having the same standard.

  • whats_up

    So you admit that he hasn't proven his eligibility, and that he's hiding something. Thanks for playing.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 15:23:04

    No thats not what I admitted Cav, I was asking for the clause in the Constitution that states that the President must show his BC to every American citizen, since all i get is silence I have the answer, thanks for commenting though.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    On a side note, does anyone here remember the position D-Vega and whats_up took during…

    Oh yes. Both of them wanted to hang Bush for not providing evidence of his claims. What goes around comes around.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    You have a different standard for Obama than everyone else.</i.

    *YAWN* Nice try, fuckwad.

    Sarah Palin has not released all of her records. What is she afraid of? Why are her medical records such a secret?

    How do you know that? Name the news agency that has been trying unsuccessfully to obtain her records. (Crickets chirping)

    Dumbass.

    Would I care if she was VP? Nope. Would I care if one day she becomes President? Nope. Because she is not required to.

    You cared about Bush's records. Thank you for playing.

  • whats_up

    That's called having the same standard.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:24:23

    Shhh, dont tell them that Vega, its sad to watch King. It reminds me of that scene in The Exorcist where Linda Blairs head goes round and round, King is doing that with "he was not born in the US", "he changed the speech", "he was not born in the US", "he changed the speech". If it wasnt so tragically sad it would be humorous.

  • tblrk2006

    That's called having the same standard.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:24:23

    Nope. This president has himself a little loophole b/c of the state he claims to be born in.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    I said

    I heard what you said. You're still a moron who doesn't know what the word "equivalent" means.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Hollister was able to obtain McCains medical records because McCain released that information. Obama released some info and didnt release others, which he is not required to do by the way.

    So once again you admit that Obama hasn't released his information. Why is he hiding it?

    I was asking for the clause in the Constitution that states that the President must show his BC to every American citizen

    Haha, there you go again. After you whined that the law didn;t require it only to be faced with the Freedom of Information Act, now you cry that he doesn;t have to do anything not in the Constitution itself. God you people are funny when you get all scared like that. What's Obama hiding?

  • whats_up

    Nope. This president has himself a little loophole b/c of the state he claims to be born in.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:27:40

    You mean Hawaii the state he was born in? Those pesky laws, which one did Obama break again, oh thats right he didnt.

  • whats_up

    So once again you admit that Obama hasn't released his information. Why is he hiding it?

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 15:28:28

    Yep, he hasnt released all his information. Maybe he is doing it to watch you on the right get all worked up over it, then he is calling his friends and they all have a good laugh.

  • whats_up

    Haha, there you go again. After you whined that the law didn;t require it only to be faced with the Freedom of Information Act,

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 15:28:28

    the FOIA doesnt cover school transcripts, medical bills or birth certificates among other things so I dont get what you are saying here…still havent found that clause in the Constitution yet have ya, I thought not.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Yep, he hasnt released all his information. Maybe he is doing it to watch you on the right get all worked up over it, then he is calling his friends and they all have a good laugh.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:31:18

    Then why did the Hawaiian officials say that the documents (which you say haven't all been released) authentic?

    Gee whats_fucked_up, fucked up again.

  • whats_up

    Then why did the Hawaiian officials say that the documents (which you say haven't all been released) authentic?

    Gee whats_fucked_up, fucked up again.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:33:10

    Because the one that was release his BC (which you continue to claim he hasnt released) is authentic, you seem to be having trouble following along, it is amusing though, I have another hour to kill keep going.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Where did you get the idea that YOU were allowed to see it? Conservatives keep coming back to this point, can you show me anywhere where it says that the President must show his BC to every single American, I cant seem to locate that.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:19:37

    REMINDER TO EVERYONE: This is the same idiot who, yesterday, claimed that the Constitution didn't prohibit slavery. After I showed him he still refused to acknowledge it for a few posts.

    Did you play the part of satan in "The Exorcist," w_u? Your anger would certainly have made you a contender for the part.

    ROFL!

  • whats_up

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:36:49

    Hey Constitutional expert have you found that claus yet that Obama has to show his BC to everyone in America…

    the silence is deafening.

  • D-Vega

    How do you know that? Name the news agency that has been trying unsuccessfully to obtain her records. (Crickets chirping) Dumbass.

    Wow, King, you are falling off.

    A simple Google search found that ABC News, The Daily Dish & Wonkette were all inquiring about Palin's medical records and none of them received anything. EVEN AFTER Palin said she WOULD release them.

    Do you really think I would put that out there and it wouldn't be setting you up?

    You cared about Bush's records. Thank you for playing.

    No, I didn't. Why? Because I didn't care about Clinton's records (oxford,draft-dodging,etc). And I wanted to be consistent. I don't really care if Bush's daddy got him out of serving in Vietnam. Lots of guys would have killed for that benefit. Who am I to judge?

    You won't find any statement by me anywhere that criticizes or accuses Bush of anything Vietnam-era. Except maybe being a cokehead and/or alcoholic.

  • D-Vega

    I heard what you said. You're still a moron who doesn't know what the word "equivalent" means.

    I used it appropriately. You just don't know what "in terms of" means. That's not my fault. It's not a reason for you to bald-faced lie.

  • tblrk2006

    You mean Hawaii the state he was born in? Those pesky laws, which one did Obama break again, oh thats right he didnt.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:29:48

    I never said he broke a law retard….it wouldnt be a loophole if a law was broken. I said that states law is unique in that it doesnt release actual BC's to anybody but officials, rather it releases a seperate document this is supposed to be as good. Unfortunately it doesnt contain any info on it that can prove a birth there. He is taking advantage of that and fellow democrats dont seem to care one way or another….they have their guy in office and thats it.

  • TheBaud

    Except maybe being a cokehead and/or alcoholic.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:38:30

    I seem to recall Bush admitting to alcoholism but denying he ever used cocaine. So how did you come to the conclusion that he was 'a cokehead', D-Vega?

  • whats_up

    A simple Google search found that ABC News, The Daily Dish & Wonkette were all inquiring about Palin's medical records and none of them received anything. EVEN AFTER Palin said she WOULD release them.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:38:30

    WHAT, Palin hasnt released her records, what is she hiding? I havent seen her BC so I am not sure that she was even born in Idaho.

  • whats_up

    Unfortunately it doesnt contain any info on it that can prove a birth there.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:40:09

    LOL, every court in the land would disagree with you, so would every govt agency, every state agency, every DMV office, every passport office, but what do they know right?

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    No, I didn't.

    Yes you did.

    And I wanted to be consistent.

    You've been anything BUT consistent.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Wow, King, you are falling off.

    What? No names yet? I'll check back later.

  • tblrk2006

    Because the one that was release his BC (which you continue to claim he hasnt released) is authentic, you seem to be having trouble following along, it is amusing though, I have another hour to kill keep going.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:36:47

    No, a BC was not released. A COLB was released. A hawaiian official said she has seen the real BC and that the COLB is correctly based on it. We just have to take her word for it.

  • whats_up

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 15:43:15

    It seems you cant read either, imagine my surprise.

  • whats_up

    No, a BC was not released. A COLB was released. A hawaiian official said she has seen the real BC and that the COLB is correctly based on it. We just have to take her word for it.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:44:06

    Right because she is part of that vast conspiracy to get Obama in the white house, a Republican no less, now I guess that they are in on it as well.

  • tblrk2006

    LOL, every court in the land would disagree with you, so would every govt agency, every state agency, every DMV office, every passport office, but what do they know right?

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:42:19

    That is correct. What has been released from hawaii is, according to that state, a document that proves birth. That was never in question you incredible retard. What is in question is what is on the birth cirtificate…the one we cannot see that we are taking the word of a hawaiian offical on. Is there a real BC or did they just produce this other document to give hussein a chance?

  • tblrk2006

    Right because she is part of that vast conspiracy to get Obama in the white house, a Republican no less, now I guess that they are in on it as well.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:45:41

    I would be careful what you say. 11 memebers of ACORN got arrested today. Your better off just not trying to back him up.

  • whats_up

    That is correct. What has been released from hawaii is, according to that state, a document that proves birth. That was never in question you incredible retard. What is in question is what is on the birth cirtificate…the one we cannot see that we are taking the word of a hawaiian offical on. Is there a real BC or did they just produce this other document to give hussein a chance?

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:49:20

    Oh this gets better all the time, now the Republican administration of Hawaii forged some documents? Classic.

  • whats_up

    I would be careful what you say. 11 memebers of ACORN got arrested today. Your better off just not trying to back him up.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:50:39

    Yep, federal prosecuters went after them, you conservatives keep telling us that is not going on…hmmm.

  • D-Vega

    I seem to recall Bush admitting to alcoholism but denying he ever used cocaine. So how did you come to the conclusion that he was 'a cokehead', D-Vega?

    Actually, he never admitted to alcoholism. He said he had a problem and had to give up drinking.

    Admitting to alcoholism is a different thing.

    And he never said he took drugs, he just wouldn't give an answer either way.

    Which I assume to mean that he did do drugs. People who knew him at the time said he did coke.

    Now, before my fans (including you) say that I am stating these things for facts – I am not.

    What I said was I would never criticism or accuse him of something Vietnam-era, except alcoholism/coke use.

  • D-Vega

    Can we get to the proof that teachers are turning 9/11 into America's fault?

    I'm still waiting for that info, which is actually pertinent.

  • TheBaud

    And he never said he took drugs, he just wouldn't give an answer either way.

    Which I assume to mean that he did do drugs.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:54:22

    So Bush refuses to answer a question and you ASSUME he is guilty. But Obama refuses to answer questions and you KNOW he is innocent.

    Nice double-standard there, D-Vega. What happened to "Innocent until Proven Guilty" that you abd whats_up keep harping on?

  • tblrk2006

    Oh this gets better all the time, now the Republican administration of Hawaii forged some documents? Classic.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:51:00

    Whos a republican? The lady that verifies BC's? That means nothing at all. Supreme court justices, attorney firings…..

  • tblrk2006

    Yep, federal prosecuters went after them, you conservatives keep telling us that is not going on…hmmm.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 15:51:45

    your little conspiracy that got obama in….ACORN, overseas $$$,….might just be falling down around you. Face it, you cheated dirtbag.

  • whats_up

    Whos a republican? The lady that verifies BC's? That means nothing at all. Supreme court justices, attorney firings…..

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 15:57:54

    The Governor of Hawaii is Republican, the one that has also verified Obama's records as being accurate, but of course she could be in on it as well. So could Cheney and Bush, certianly they would have known, ya they all must be in on it.

  • D-Vega

    So Bush refuses to answer a question and you ASSUME he is guilty.

    He's not "guilty". There is no crime here.

    If someone asked you if you ever did cocaine, what would you say?

    But Obama refuses to answer questions and you KNOW he is innocent.

    If someone asked Obama if he was born in the US, and he said "I'd rather not answer that." than I would assume he was not born in the US.

    Call me pessimistic.

  • whats_up

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 15:57:01

    Interesting that you want us to apply a standard to Bush that you wont apply to Obama, why is that?

  • whats_up

    your little conspiracy that got obama in….ACORN, overseas $$$,….might just be falling down around you. Face it, you cheated dirtbag.

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 16:00:06

    Actually ACORN is the one the provided the tip that allowed prosecutors to arrest these 11 workers.

  • D-Vega

    Have I ever done cocaine? Absolutely not.

    Marijuana? I'd rather not say.

    Was I born in the U.S? Absolutely.

    Can you see my private records? F*ck off!

  • TheBaud

    If someone asked you if you ever did cocaine, what would you say?

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 16:03:23

    That's it's none of their business. And then the people that dislike me and are going to hate me anyway would think the absolute worse of that answer and make fools of themselves.

    But then again, you know how that feels.

  • TheBaud

    Interesting that you want us to apply a standard to Bush that you wont apply to Obama, why is that?

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:03:26

    Interesting that you fail to see your own hypocrisy in that very statement and feel that you should use it to slam another person. You assume Bush guilty of everything that came down the pipe, yet you absolve Obama.

    Glass houses, whats_up!

  • D-Vega

    That's it's none of their business. And then the people that dislike me and are going to hate me anyway would think the absolute worse of that answer and make fools of themselves.

    Someone explain to Baud how he just screwed himself, and the Birthers, with this one.

    Vega sets them up so easily.

  • TheBaud

    Vega sets them up so easily.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 16:10:34

    Someone please explain to D-Vega what a fucking moron he is.

  • whats_up

    Interesting that you fail to see your own hypocrisy in that very statement and feel that you should use it to slam another person. You assume Bush guilty of everything that came down the pipe, yet you absolve Obama.

    Glass houses, whats_up!

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 16:10:05

    Well then that makes us as well as many posters here on RWN hypocrites then doesnt it, it works both ways Baud, thanks for admitting that.

  • TheBaud

    Well then that makes us as well as many posters here on RWN hypocrites then doesnt it, it works both ways Baud, thanks for admitting that.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:12:18

    That's the point, whats_up. Both side do it. However, it is you that wants to call the Right hypocrites while you do the exact same thing.

    Not that there is a person here who does not know what a flaming hypocrite you are anyway!

  • D-Vega

    awww… Baud is upset.

    Someone get him some Midol.

  • TheBaud

    Someone get him some Midol.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 16:14:51

    Remain calm, D-Vega and try to stay on topic.

  • whats_up

    That's the point, whats_up. Both side do it. However, it is you that wants to call the Right hypocrites while you do the exact same thing.

    Not that there is a person here who does not know what a flaming hypocrite you are anyway!

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 16:14:03

    Classic, you blast me for something that you then proceed to do not five words later, lol, gotta love you hypocritical conservatives, you are amusing.

  • http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

    gotta love you hypocritical conservatives, you are amusing.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:18:42

    Got that proof about David Duke yet? Oh wait, Vega proved you are a liar about that. Too funny.

  • TheBaud

    Classic, you blast me for something that you then proceed to do not five words later, lol, gotta love you hypocritical conservatives, you are amusing.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:18:42

    So you start by accusing the Right of being hypocrites. Then you admit that both sides do it. Then you AGAIN slam the right for being hypocrites?

    Can't admit you are wrong, can you whats_up.

  • whats_up

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 16:21:42

    Like I said you are funny, thanks for the laughs.

  • http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

    Regardless of Obama's birth certificate or religous persuasion, his administration has been a economic nightmare for this country. Almost $2 trillion in deficits for htis year alone, underestimating shortfalls, record unemployment. Face it, he makes Jimmah Carter look like George Washington.

  • whats_up

    So you start by accusing the Right of being hypocrites. Then you admit that both sides do it. Then you AGAIN slam the right for being hypocrites?

    Can't admit you are wrong, can you whats_up.

    Posted by TheBaud

    2009-09-09 16:21:42

    Actually I slammed you specifically for being a hypocrite, try following along.

  • TheBaud

    Like I said you are funny

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:22:47

    And you are a duplicious asshole.

  • D-Vega

    As usual, Baud starts a debate and can't deliver.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Someone explain to Baud how he just screwed himself, and the Birthers, with this one.

    What public office is Baud running for, again?

    Vega sets them up so easily

    Yeah… for me to knock down. Thanks for playing, Vega.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Right because she is part of that vast conspiracy to get Obama in the white house, a Republican no less, now I guess that they are in on it as well.

    If you're talking about the person who stated they saw Obama's birth certificate, that was a Democrat. Sorry.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    WHAT, Palin hasnt released her records, what is she hiding? I havent seen her BC so I am not sure that she was even born in Idaho.

    I would support your right to ask to see her birth certificate, if you were really serious and not just being an asshole. You have that right.

  • http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

    Yep, he hasnt released all his information.

    Thanks for admitting it yet again. So what's he hiding?

  • D-Vega

    I would support your right to ask to see her birth certificate, if you were really serious and not just being an asshole. You have that right.

    No, you don't. You have the right to express your discontent.

    But you do not have the right to view an original birth certificate. Sorry.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    A simple Google search found that ABC News, The Daily Dish & Wonkette were all inquiring about Palin's medical records and none of them received anything. EVEN AFTER Palin said she WOULD release them.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 15:38:30

    Interesting that ABC News, the Daily Dish and Wonkette haven't inquired about Obama's medical records.

    Considering that you're pointing this out proves you're a hypocrite. Once again, you demand two sets of standards: one for Republicans and another for Democrats.

    Kingfisher sets them up and kicks their ass so easily.

  • TheBaud

    As usual, Baud starts a debate and can't deliver.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 16:31:08

    How funny, D-Vega. Did you ever find that proof that Ken Gladney was faking his injuries?

    Yeah, didn't thing so. Another impotent jerk-off from D-Vega.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    So Vega, when will you apologize for demanding that Bush release his military records, now that you've flipped-flopped again?

  • D-Vega

    You did, D-Vega. Can’t you even keep track of your own stupidity?

    No, I didn’t, I said:

    So this topic about the silliness of truthers turns into silliness of birthers.

    Nowhere did I say they were the same thing. Being a truther takes a great deal more of a leap of facts than being a birther does.

    However, they are both conspiracy theories.

  • CoolCzech

    Don’t you libs Obama would spare you all the energy and silly “birther” talking points by just releasing the documents?

    The fact is, there would be NO time & energy spent by either side if you would just disclose the documents. I have to disclose my birth certificate just to get my driver’s license. Does that make DMV a “birther” institution?

    It’s just sheer arrogance that Obama doesn’t do the obvious, simple, painless thing. Instead, he’s got poor D-Vega and whats_up all in a tizzy, hoping that their talk of “birthers” somehow obscures the fact that Obama habitually hung around with radical marxists and now appoints them as “Czars” in an obvious conspiracy to do an end run around Senatorial confirmation hearings that would, by the way, have kept a Marxist from controlling a $30 billion federal budget.

  • D-Vega

    We are not the ones in a tizzy, Czech.

    Let’s make that clear. YOU were the first one who brought the birther issue to this thread.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    No, I didn’t, I said:

    So this topic about the silliness of truthers turns into silliness of birthers.

    Thereby implying that trutherism and birtherism is somehow equivalent.

    Thank you for proving my argument. You may go now.

  • smelvertising

    As usual, Baud starts a debate and can't deliver.

    Hey coward-boy. How's "home" treating you these days? Or is it "the weekend" your new phrase to the meaning of I am getting my ass kicked, I'm running away these days?

  • http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/genesis/kingbounty/ murray_the_miser

    Look, I woould love for the acusations of the birthers to turn out to be true. LOVE it. The end result would likely be Obama being impeached and thrown out of office in disgrace. The aftermath would not only destroy any future in politics he might have but also might very well bring the whole damned Democrat party down with him. That would be a good thing for this country.

    But sadly their accusations are probably not true.

    I strongly suspect that chimpy is not releasing his BC because it would reveal that his parents were not married at the time of his birth.

    The only small reservation I have about the issue is that it's odd that the released COLB has chimpy's race listed as "African". In the 1960s that would not have been the standard term for a mixed-race mulatto like him.

  • whats_up

    Then you should be able to provide me with multiple citations.
    Posted by CavalierX
    2009-09-09 12:28:30

    Supreme Court:

    Berg v Obama
    Donofrio v Wells

    State Circut court of Hawaii
    Martin v Lingle

    Connecticut Supreme Court
    Wrotnowski v Bysiewicz

    California Superior Court
    Keyes v Bowen

    Georgia Superior Court
    Cook v Obama

    District Court for the District of Columbia
    Hollister v Soetero

    None of these cases has made muster, all were either thrown out or simply not heard. This list doesnt even include Ortiz’ attempts.

  • TheBaud

    Look, I woould love for the acusations of the birthers to turn out to be true. LOVE it. The end result would likely be Obama being impeached and thrown out of office in disgrace. The aftermath would not only destroy any future in politics he might have but also might very well bring the whole damned Democrat party down with him. That would be a good thing for this country.

    Posted by murray_the_miser

    2009-09-09 17:28:33

    It will also never happen. If anything even close to proof ever surfaces, there will be thousands of Sandy Berger wannabees that will make sure it never sees the light of day. Anyone from the Right with such information will be labeled a cook and be subject to all manner of 'accidents'.

    The Left is even more invested in Obama than they were in Clinton. They have too much to lose for him to lose.

  • D-Vega

    Interesting that ABC News, the Daily Dish and Wonkette haven't inquired about Obama's medical records.

    Obama never said he would release them and then didn't, King.

    But that's a nice try.

  • D-Vega

    So Vega, when will you apologize for demanding that Bush release his military records, now that you've flipped-flopped again?

    Never did that. Sorry. You are O for 1,000.

  • D-Vega

    Hey coward-boy. How's "home" treating you these days? Or is it "the weekend" your new phrase to the meaning of I am getting my ass kicked, I'm running away these days?

    You are a lying, drive-by flaming piece of shit who barely deserves my routine smack-downs. I would never run from anyone, least of all a cur like you.

    As StanW would say "Piss off & Die!"

    Have a good night.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Never did that. Sorry. You are O for 1,000.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 17:49:27

    Yes you did. Sorry but I'm 1000 to your 0.

    Try again.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Obama never said he would release them and then didn't, King.

    But that's a nice try.

    Posted by D-Vega

    2009-09-09 17:48:05

    You said he did. PWNED!

  • whats_up

    I would support your right to ask to see her birth certificate, if you were really serious and not just being an asshole. You have that right.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 16:49:07

    Actually Cav we dont, I dont know why you keep insisting we do, maybe its that conservative thing of taking opinions and then stating that they are facts. You can yell it tell your hoarse, doesnt change the fact that we dont have the right, its not in the Constitution, its not codified in US law anywhere. Sorry man.

  • whats_up

    If you're talking about the person who stated they saw Obama's birth certificate, that was a Democrat. Sorry.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 16:47:11

    Govenor Lingle has said many times in different interviews that Obama was born in and lived in Hawaii.

  • tblrk2006

    You can yell it tell your hoarse, doesnt change the fact that we dont have the right, its not in the Constitution, its not codified in US law anywhere. Sorry man.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 20:03:47

    We have the right to know he has proven his birth in this country. The BC is the only way to prove it. He is hiding behind a goofy law in hawaii.

  • tblrk2006

    Actually ACORN is the one the provided the tip that allowed prosecutors to arrest these 11 workers.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 16:05:21

    That makes no differance at all. ACORN conducts vote fraud.

  • http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

    I'm going to have to agree with whats_up, it isn't codified in US Law.

    But, woops!!!!! It's codified in the US Constitution, bub. It states the president must be, among other things, a natural born citizen. Meaning, one would have to prove that, just like they would have to prove that they are 35 or older.

    You folks on the left DEMANDED that McCain release his, as well as every minor bit of health information. You screamed for Palin's health records, particularly on Tripp. Yet, you do not hold Obama to the same standards. Why? Are you afraid of something?

    Personally, I do not hold with 99.9% of the theories, and think he is a natural born citizen. But, if he is so reticent to release a form that would cost him $10, why? Does he have something to hide?

    Anyhow, y'all lefties are nuts, being Truthers and all.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Govenor Lingle has said many times in different interviews that Obama was born in and lived in Hawaii.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 20:12:09

    Funny, nobody can find a link proving that.

  • tblrk2006

    "If you're talking about the person who stated they saw Obama's birth certificate, that was a Democrat. Sorry.

    Posted by CavalierX

    2009-09-09 16:47:11"

    Yup.

    "Govenor Lingle has said many times in different interviews that Obama was born in and lived in Hawaii.

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 20:12:09"

    Nope. Hasnt seen the BC.

  • http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

    Yet, you do not hold Obama to the same standards. Why? Are you afraid of something?

    There's somethign in those records that would be uncomfortable or embarrassing to Obama – he's a citizen and old enough, but something in them contains things that the president does not want getting out in the press.

  • whats_up

    Posted by tblrk2006

    2009-09-09 20:20:50

    Really, thats funny, she has made numerous statements to that effect, are you calling her a liar or is she part of that vast conspiracy?

  • tblrk2006

    Funny, nobody can find a link proving that.

    Posted by Kingfisher

    2009-09-09 20:18:42

    probably b/c the gov has not said "i have seen the real BC." Rather what was said, if said at all was "my state has certified his birth." In other words, im just going along with the state protocal.

  • tblrk2006

    Posted by whats_up

    2009-09-09 20:23:12

    Im not saying she is a lier….im saying she hasnt seen the BC. Nobody has seen it b/c the state cannot release it. And she is not the person that came fwd and claimed to have seen it and verified its authenticity. Sorry bub.

  • http://www.superdickery.com mightysamurai

    I used it appropriately.

    No, child, you did not. Check the dictionary and come back when you're less stupid.

  • Bill_Dalasio

    There's somethign in those records that would be uncomfortable or embarrassing to Obama – he's a citizen and old enough, but something in them contains things that the president does not want getting out in the press.

    Well, it is possible that Obama is simply not releasing it because, right now, the birth certificate issue is doing us more damage than it is him. I mean, look, the entire comment thread on a post about the left's idiotic deconstruction of terrorism has been devoted to a food fight over birtherism. The administration and its allies have been wrapping birtherism up with all of the substantive criticisms of the administration over and over again. At this point, even if Obama had his birth certificate framed and matted over his mantle, I'd hardly be surprised if he refrained from releasing it.

  • D-Vega

    There's somethign in those records that would be uncomfortable or embarrassing to Obama – he's a citizen and old enough, but something in them contains things that the president does not want getting out in the press.

    Let's say there is, CT. The President also has every right to keep some matters confidential.

    The only ones that are required according to law is that he is natural born, and that he is 35.

    Maybe the father's slot says "Unknown". Maybe he was listed as "Muslim". Even so, it is irrelevant.

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