All conservatives need wake up now or we will lose the HC battle by falling for a fake compromise and accept an Individual Mandate.

The left's new push amonts to a staight up emotional apppeal to people's worst insticts.

Its pure appeal to envy and arrogance based on false information.

Here is supposed "moderate" Ben Nelson out pushing new poll-tested Democrat talking points:

“Nelson said his primary concern is that any health care bill control

soaring costs. Without action, he said, costs will rise 9 percent next

year. The average Nebraska family insurance premium rose 69 percent from

2000 to 2007, he said. Wages rose 21 percent during that time, he said.

The result is that 225,000 Nebraskans, or nearly 13 percent of the

population, don’t have health coverage, and Nebraska businesses and

families shoulder a hidden tax of $1,000 per year on premiums to pay for

the uninsured."

The information is of course false – the so-called "free rider" cost cite is not $1000 but $200 per family less the 1% of there premiums annually!

Snowe and Bennett from the Republican party have already fallen in line to support the individual mandate.

And I have read many blog comments and heard many calls on talk radio from supposedly conservative people supporting the mandate because they believe the bogus numbers and react emotionally.

Don’t fall for it – don’t let RINOs sell you out on this.

Don’t let this talking point go unchallenged.

Posted by slobrainish

2009-10-01 09:29:58

I post on RWN because its easy and fun to fluster political ideologues who are more obsessed with attacking the opposition than they are in boosting their own positive aspects.

Posted by snohomish aka hoggo on 2009-09-16 14:54:29

Before you compose a reply to this well-known troll, consider what his personal mission here is, as stated in his own words above. As inferred from his own statement, he'll say anything to piss you off. Nothing is too outlandish, nothing is off-limits. He'll insult anything he thinks you hold dear, just to watch you fume and boil. He's here just to piss you off. And he thinks that pissing you off is great fun. Before you post anything in reply to this troll ask yourself a few questions:

Do I want hoggo setting the tone and topics of my discussions here?

Do I want hoggo exploiting my anger at him for his own perverse pleasure?

Do I want to feed more material to this persistent lying troll?

Do I care what hoggo thinks, says or does?

If the answer to any of those questions is "no", and very likely they will all be "no's", then you know what you should do – just walk away and say "No response to hoggo from me today."

Democrats voting for this thing are out of touch. The public doesn't like the current plans at reform. We're smart enough to look at MA, the only state with a mandate, and realize that it isn't working to control costs there and their wait times have shot up since they enacted it. A lot of people also feel that the mandate is unConstitutional because it is the government literally controlling your body and what you do with it.

Not only that but none of them can take away from the simple law of supply and demand. By creating a mandate, they artifically increase demand without doing anything to increase supply. That results in rising prices allowing those who can afford the good to have it, except that you are mandated to have it … Where is the incentive to lower prices? There is none.

Additionally, by leveeing untargetted budget cuts at existing programs like MediCare, you are going to be decreasing supply because no bureaucracy willingly starves itself. They'll look for ways to save money by cutting services and further undercutting what they'll pay for the services that are rendered. On the upside, a lot more government employees will soon have plenty of time to surf the 'net for porn now that they don't have to deal with as many services.

I was thinking about the individual mandate the other night on my way home and as I was mulling it over, it struck me how much of a philosophical disconnect there is between the individual mandate and another liberal shibboleth – the right to die on demand. Those who support the right to die on demand make great arguments about how it is the ultimate in personal freedom and liberty – it's your body, your life, you can do whatever you wish with them, or so their rationale goes.

Then along comes the individual mandate, and many of the same people who support the right to die on demand also support that. What I want to know is how these people make those two ideas square with one another? On the one hand, they say you should be free to choose death because it's your life and your body, and yet they also say you shouldn't be free to make decisions about how you manage your health care, even though it's still your body and your life. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot???

You know, Bill, I've heard the same arguments about the right to die on demand from both, so perhaps I am conflating them. Or maybe there's a general blurring of ideological lines when it comes to the right to die on demand.

Or, maybe it's because when I was living in MI, the libs were all over supporting Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Maybe they supported him so fervently in part because the darling of the white liberal set in SE MI (Geoffrey Feiger) was his mouthpiece. But it was an oft repeated truth amongst the libs there that suicide, whether assisted or not, was a 'right' that stemmed from having the right to determine your own fate. Typical statements were: "Nobody can tell you that you have to live if you don't want to." and "It's your life, you should get to decide when it's over." and the ever-popular "If you can't make decisions about you own life or your own body, haven't you lost all freedom?"

I love some of the amendments Republicans are offering. There is a good one today making a rule of the new healthcare to hold Obama to his promise not to raise taxes on people making less than $250K. Are any of the trolls going to even notice that it is Democrats that are going to vote this down? Do you think they are going to realize that Obama lied through his teeth if they do this?

There is so much wrong with the legislation that is going through congress right now. They should start small and when they demonstrate they know what they are doing, then they should implement the rest of their agenda. Let's start with the saving of $500 billion of fraud from the system. Let them pass that part and then we can judge if they know what they are talking about.

"3. An electoral tidal wave in 2010 and 2012 that would make Samoa look like a kiddy pool in comparison."

I feel bad for the people of Samoa. Presidents usually visit areas that have been hit by disasters. Instead Obama is indulging himself in another vanity trip to Europe. Obama does know American Samoa is US territory, right? Does Hillary?