Enough With The Political Blame Game When Things Like The Giffords Shooting Happen!

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Enough With The Political Blame Game When Things Like The Giffords Shooting Happen!

Written By : William Teach

Looking all over the Internet, from blog sites to the major news media, they are all aflutter with speculation about whether the shooting of Giffords, which also resulted in the death of a 9 year old, a federal judge, and four others, was politically motivated. He’s being called a political terrorist, we hear that “words have consequences,” and “violence and politics merge.” The “rampage casts grim light on U.S. political discord” and “did shooting stem from the state of politics?” The there is “bloodshed puts new focus on vitriol in politics.” Paul Krugman attempts to link Sarah Palin to the shooting. HillBuzz wonders if the Daily Kos, DU, and other left leaning sites are responsible. Raw Story says Conservatives should not have mocked the DHS right wing extremist report. And it goes on and on and on.

And, every once in a while, as an afterthought, these sources mention “hey, I hope she is going to be alright, and, darn, it’s a shame about the others who died.”

I suppose it’s part of the 24 hour news cycle and hyper-active Internet community, as it seems that whenever something like this happens, too many people, right and left, immediately jump to wonder which political doctrine the person or persons subscribe to. Which is a damned shame. Sometimes, yes, you can say “he’s a Democrat/liberal/progressive” and sometimes a “Republican/Conservative.” He’s anti-government or big-government. She’s for/against abortion on demand. She’s a semite/anti-semite. But, when it comes down to the real world, none of that matters, because the person is responsible for their own actions, regardless of political affiliation, and, regardless of vitriol in politics, which has always happened, only the extreme ends of each political affiliation pushes for violence.

There is no “coarsening of political rhetoric.” It’s always been bad. Heck, in some other countries, it’s worse. It’s just more available nowadays.

Who is the Jared Lee Loughner, 22, of Tucson?

The man identified by authorities as the gunman in Saturday’s shooting rampage, which killed six and critically injured Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), appears to have left a trail of bizarre and anti-government messages on the Internet.

Of course, that means he’s a conservative, right? Except, only the super fringe right, who aren’t true American conservatives, are anti-government. American conservatives are for limited and small government, not anti-government.

On YouTube, Loughner’s profile listed Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’s “The Communist Manifesto” and Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” among his favorite books. He also included high school English class classics such as “To Kill a Mockingbird” and “The Old Man and the Sea,” plus children’s works such as Aesop’s fables and “The Phantom Tollbooth.”

Obviously, that means he must be on the Left. Yet, he belief in those authoritarian/fascist books doesn’t mean the Left should be blamed.

In one video, titled “America: Your last memory in a terrorist country!,” a figure in dark clothing and a smiley-face mask burns an American flag in the desert. The soundtrack is a 2001 song by the band Drowning Pool, in which the singer repeatedly shrieks “Let the bodies hit the floor!”

That sounds more like an anarchist, putting him on the far fringe of Democrat voters.

Another, posted Dec. 15, begins with a line of text reading “My Final Thoughts: Jared Lee Loughner!” What follows on the screen are seemingly unconnected thoughts about currency and dreams, and the words “I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

Again, with the mind control stuff, that sounds like someone on the far left. Or, super far right. And you keep reading through the Washington Post article, and see someone who is continuously disruptive and is having trouble in life. Apparently, he was also anti-Semitic and anti-illegal immigration. He was apparently a member of American Renaissance or influenced by them, and they are a group that is white supremacist, anti-Jewish, and anti-government.

On Oct. 4, during a meeting with Loughner, his parents and college administrators, he agreed to withdraw, the college said. School officials told him he could return only if he obtained a clearance certifying that “in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.”

What you have here is a man who holds a very wide smattering of political leanings, and, is obviously disturbed. He does not represent either side of mainstream American politics, and people need to just stop the conspiracy theories and blamestorming. Paul Krugman wisely deleted all the comments to his blamey story, unlike Ben Smith’s blog, which is a cesspool. Right wing radio is being blamed, left wing leanings are being blamed. Even the comments at the Washington Post story I excerpted from are a cesspool.

Perhaps we just need to understand that there are always going to be wackos out there who will take action. Even if politics was civil (which it’s not, and never will be), there would still always be wackos out there, and they do not represent the vast majority of those on the Left or Right. We don’t want them. We can sit back and reflect all we want, but, there will always be crazies out in the world.

Perhaps the concern should be for the victims, rather than assigning blame.

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove. Follow me on Twitter @WilliamTeach.

TheDarkKnight

Here, here…
Stew

Wise words.

Meanwhile, “never let a crisis go to waste.”
RBC47

Nice try, and your heart is in the right place, but….

First, yes there has always been disagreement in politics and sometimes the level of vehemence pretty high. You are wrong , however, that the political atmosphere today is simply normal. The shouting matches at public meetings about health care, the comments by elected officials questioning whether Obama was born in the US and whether he is a Muslim, right wing supporters of the most expansive view of the 2d Amendment saying that “armed action” may be needed if the government does things they do not like, the far left use of the word “animal” to describe conservative politicians, etc etc. – all of these things indicate a level of vitriol and hatred which is actually very unusual. It now resembles the deterioration of debate and rise of hostility that preceded the Civil War.

Second, you exempt yourself and other commentators from any responsibility for this situation. Sorry, but that does not work. Your characterizations of those who believe climate change is real and want to do something about it have lacked any trace of reasoned debate among those who simply disagree about a public policy. But while you are very extreme on that issue, you are actually much more civilized on others – which puts you way ahead of …. for example, Van Helsing and Warner Huston, both of whom embody pure unreasoning hatred in everything they post. Which is not to say that only far right commentators are guilty – some far left bloggers are already trying to pin the Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin, the Tea Party and conservatives in general – and those folks are equally despicable.

Yesterday, I posted a comment pointing out that some – not all but some- of the contributors to political sites like RWN are violating every principle and value of morality, truth and community, and they ought to be shut out of the debate. I was immediately attacked as a “troll.” Get it? Anyone who opposes the extremism that has overwhelmed the political debate is treated with condemnation and contempt. On at least one issue Mr Teach, you have contributed to that. Obviously, you have a better side to your nature. Let it out. Take responsibility for your part and make amends. Don’t just try to sweep the hatred under the rug of “normal political debate.” Persuade Mr Hawkins to ban Van Helsing and Huston and those like them from RWN. Set an example that might embarrass Daily Kos and DU and left sites like them to do the same to their extremists.

Don’t just sit there and whine – do something.

Soldout

False comparison to left wing sights, which are fact based and not ideology based like RWN, otherwise a beautiful post.

Anonymous

Flagged for trolling and being the oft banned “jack_shite/pete/pete_moss” troll.
Oh and it’s “site” when talking about a web page, child.

TR
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Wow projecting your own lack of facts reality on the right!! What’s next name calling?
RBC47

Thanks, but I’d argue that the extremist sites on both sides are ideologically driven and dishonest with facts. That sort of objectivity is obviously unwelcome here, however (see above).
Anonymous

“False comparison to left wing sights, which are fact based and not ideology based like RWN, otherwise a beautiful post”

Hah!

Thanks, I like to start out my day with some absurdity.
StanW

Fact based? Like Kos, or DU. or the HuffPo?

FACT BASED?

Anonymous

Flagged for trolling and being the oft banned “groundhog” troll.
You whine about being dismissed as a troll, but that’s what you are. You proved that years ago when you first posted here and you have been banned more times than any other troll aside from Martha.
How long before you get the picture that you are not welcome here?

TR

RBC47

I repeat: I am not now nor ever have been a “groundhog” a “hoggo” – and I have never been banned – here or on any other political site. Whether I am welcome to you is not relevant.

Anonymous

Sure thing sparky
Anonymous

Flagged for lying.
I think one of the things I find most offensive about you is that you think we are all complete idiots. You share the posting style and most of the content of groundhog. (who has been banned here more than anyone else aside from Martha) I might be wrong on this, but that would be highly unusual on such a matter.

In any event, if you don’t like the climate of this site you need to leave. Nothing is keeping you here and by continuing to post you only show that you wish to cause trouble…ie you are trolling.

So FOAD, troll.

TR

TheMartha

trenchmouth – you are a troll and you were banned from here for your unacceptable actions.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

So says the frequently banned troll-boy Martha. You have no room to talk, child.

TheMartha

So you say trenchmouth and I are equals. Now that’s funny.
Anonymous

Mods…..please ban and erase the worthless comments from martha. Thx
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No Trench is your better in every way possible. Trench was banned once you have been banned more times than all other trolls on this board, combined.

Anonymous

Shut up, sodomite.

and for the record, I have never been banned under Disqus. You have…at least once, probably more.

TR

TheMartha

trenchmouth – open wide for a nice big one.

not the record we’re talking about, trenchfoot. We regulars at RWN remember.
Anonymous

nice to see you admission of sockpuppetry there martha. We indeed.

Anonymous

we can start by banning you and your baseless accusations from this website for eternity. A liberal shoots another liberal and you want to blame us?

Time to leave, you are not wanted or welcome here. You bring nothing but lies and invented theories that are baseless.

You just want the truth about your precious messiah and your liberal mindset hidden away.

You are both un American and a disgrace to humanity.

RBC47

Baseless? Lies? Be specific or STFU.

The assassin is not a liberal – or for that matter, a conservative – he’s so confused and delusional that assigning to him any rational political beliefs is plain stupid. I didn’t – you shouldn’t.

And my messiah held no political office. He was a rabble-rousing, community-organizing, religious activist who got nailed to a cross by people like you.

Anonymous

Baseless? Lies? Be specific or STFU.

Except the entirety of your initial comment was a vague, unsupported generalization.
Anonymous

so now you are a Christian? After all of your ridicule of organized religion under your multiple user names, it is no shock to see this. You are pro choice, so you are no Christian. Face it, your false god and his hate speech caused this violent act. The truth, she is a bitch isn’t she?

TheMartha

One far more sensibly follows The Christ without tainting oneself with the man-made confines of Christianity.

The truth is a bitch to those who, like dixon, hides behind lies.

This violent act was caused because this individual had access to a firearm.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

His access to a firearm didn’t cause the man’s insanity or his actions, dipshit. His unstable mental state did that, he could just as easily strapped a bomb to his a chest.
Anonymous

This violent act was caused because this individual had access to a firearm.

Ah, so weapons make people violent. What about airplanes and knives? Baseball bats? Axes? Please. Access to food makes people fat too. What is your problem with self control and responsiblity? So a crazy leftwinger goes on shooting rampage in AZ and your first thought is to blame the weapon of choice…..I thought people like you were more interested in motive and reasons (ie Muslims)
Anonymous

shame no one had a gun as they are allowed to have at this shooting. Perhaps the perp could have been killed before he shot all those people.
Anonymous

And b/c muslims have access to bombs and airplanes, they kill people. Hell, if all those tastly people werent around jeffrey dauhmers apartment….he wouldnt have eaten them.
Anonymous

“This violent act was caused because this individual had access to a firearm. ”

By that logic computers are responsible for internet trolls, rather than the folks behind the keyboard.
Anonymous

Hospitals cause malpractice related deaths.
Cars cause drunk driving.
Lighters create crackheads.
Street corners create prostitutes.
Anonymous

this act was caused by the hate speech of The TOTUS.

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/
StanW

“This violent act was caused because this individual had access to a firearm.”

Would it make you feel better if he had stabbed all those people? Or perhaps if he had just blown them up like you heros do?

Martha, guns did not cause this act, any more than your keyboard makes you posts all of your lies.
Anonymous

Funny how religious they get when it suits them.

They can out-religious the taliban if they feel it helps make a point at that moment.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 Anonymous

“And b/c muslims have access to bombs and airplanes, they kill people.”

So, are you arguing that terrorists should therefore have access to bombs and airplanes, the way madmen here seem to have access to guns? Or might it be prudent to restrict some items from some people, so that they cannot use them to commit bad acts…

Gun control (or for that matter, the second amendment) isn’t an all or nothing proposition. Some arms should be available; some shouldn’t. Some people should be permitted to have them; some shouldn’t. Once we agree that terrorists and madmen should not have access to rocket launchers, no matter what the second amendment says (are they not arms?), all that’s left is to argue about who should/should not be permitted to have arms, and what arms they should/should not be permitted to have.

To suggest that there can be no restriction whatsoever, either in what arms a person can legally own, or who can legally own arms, is a pretty extreme position. (And yes, suggesting that no one can legally own any weapon is pretty extreme, as well.)
http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 Anonymous

“Would it make you feel better if he had stabbed all those people?”

If he had a knife, he never would’ve been able to stab all those people, wound them as mortally, or kill as many as he did, before being taken down.

My argument isn’t that no one should have guns, but that there should be more restrictions to prevent (or at least slow) crazy people from getting ahold of them… even if they end up trying to use knives or bats to commit their massacres, instead. When these things happen, and there is a documented history of crime or craziness, the people involved shouldn’t have firearms they purchased legally. Even if it only stops half of the mass killings that occur in this country, it’d be worth it.

Knife? Hell, I’d've been happier if the guy had a musket, or one of them old-time two-shot Derringers, rather than the Glock with the extended clip he had. Even a revolver would’ve been a step in the right direction.

It’d make me feel better if it didn’t happen at all. But there will always be crazy people, and there will always be weapons that they can use. That doesn’t mean we have to make it easy for ‘em by not sufficiently checking the background of the folks buying guns, or permitting guns that fire this rapidly and this often before reloading. As I said elsewhere, neither gun control or the second amendment are all or nothing propositions.
freeman

repsac3

So, are you arguing that terrorists should therefore have access to bombs and airplanes, the way madmen here seem to have access to guns?

People who have been proven to be mentally disturbed are already barred from purchasing guns.

And the argument is that you shouldn’t be taking things away from the law abiding just because a mad man can use them to harm someone.
Bleach and ammonia can be used to harm people, should we ban them?

Or might it be prudent to restrict some items from some people, so that they cannot use them to commit bad acts…

People have driven cars into crowded sidewalks, should we ban cars? They have poisoned Tylenol, should we ban Tylenol? No matter how many things you ban, a madman will always find something to hurt people with.
freeman

repsac3

So, are you arguing that terrorists should therefore have access to bombs and airplanes, the way madmen here seem to have access to guns?

People who have been proven to be mentally disturbed are already barred from purchasing guns.

And the argument is that you shouldn’t be taking things away from the law abiding just because a mad man can use them to harm someone.
Bleach and ammonia can be used to harm people, should we ban them?

Or might it be prudent to restrict some items from some people, so that they cannot use them to commit bad acts…

People have driven cars into crowded sidewalks, should we ban cars? They have poisoned Tylenol, should we ban Tylenol? No matter how many things you ban, a madman will always find something to hurt people with.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/15458282944035344707 Anonymous

Again Freeman, you should understand what I wrote better than you seem to be suggesting you do. I’m not using the word “banned” or any of it’s synonyms, either. You are.

The guy from VA Tech was diagnosed mentally disturbed. He bought his guns legally, so either the law or enforcement of the law failed us. Whichever it was, it’s something we Americans should fix. While I don’t know (yet) whether this ass from AZ was also diagnosed as mentally disturbed, it sure seems like there are alot of classmates, friends, and neighbors saying they saw he had problems. And aside that, he had several run ins with law enforcement. I’m of the opinion that at least one of those facts should’ve prevented him from obtaining his weapon and/or ammunition, as well. (In fact, I think I saw where the first Walmart he went to did refuse to sell him the ammunition. I’d be curious why… …and I’d also be curious as to why the second Walmart he went to didn’t see whatever it was that the first one did. Things might’ve turned out different if they had…)

I’ve never suggested taking much of anything away from law-abiding citizens… That was my point with the plane analogy. We don’t ban planes, but we do restrict some folks from flying in them… and we do restrict what folks can bring with ‘em when they do fly. No banning… just reasonable precautions that do little more than inconvenience the law abiding traveller, but likely prevent a pretty large percentage of terrorists from flying in the US. (Yes, some restrictions–particularly some of the ones imposed right after 9/11–were and are over the top. But again, that doesn’t make all flight restrictions bad. It just means we need to tweak the restrictions we have, so that the ones that were gross overreactions are removed. It’s not a question of either full cavity searches or no screenings, at all… We can find that middle ground between the two… Same goes with honoring the second amendment AND not selling guns to anyone who walks in off the street, regardless of age, mental capacity or criminal record. It’s not all or nothing, no matter how many times some folks here try to suggest that I’m calling for a ban on all gun sales to all people.

The “a madman will find a tool” argument has also already been asked and answered. Yes, there will always be more criminals than law enforcement can ever catch, but we still chase down, arrest, and try as many of ‘em as we can. We don’t just throw in the towel because, even if someone will be robbed or killed in every police precinct in a major city today, it likely won’t be committed by any of the robbers or murders the police locked up yesterday. We do what we can, even though “what we can” is likely never going to result in a day with no crime.

If we make it harder for madmen to buy a legal firearms, some of ‘em will not know where to get one illegally, and will end up trying to commit their mass homicides with knives or baseball bats, instead of a gun that can fire such-n-such number of rounds/second. I don’t know about you, but if I had to choose between a mass school shooting and a mass school baseball batting, I’d take the latter… …as would prolly every parent or cop you’ll ever meet. If making it harder for madmen like the VA Tech or AZ shooters prevents only a quarter of the shooting sprees committed by crazy people, it’d be worth it, even if it means that law abiding citizens have to answer more questions and/or wait longer to get their firearms.
Even if the other three quarters of the madmen bent on mass murder can locate a guy on the street who’ll sell ‘em an illegal weapon for their rampages, at least we prevented that one last quarter of ‘em from shooting 20 people in a matter of minutes. And that’s something… …especially if one of those twenty potential victims is someone you love. (and really, we’re all potential victims, aren’t we?)

Anonymous

so now you are a Christian? After all of your ridicule of organized religion under your multiple user names, it is no shock to see this. You are pro choice, so you are no Christian. Face it, your false god and his hate speech caused this violent act. The truth, she is a bitch isn’t she?
Anonymous

“he’s so confused and delusional that assigning to him any rational political beliefs is plain stupid.”

Confused, delusional, no rational beliefs.

I thought you were trying to argue against him being a leftist?

“And my messiah held no political office. He was a rabble-rousing, community-organizing, religious activist who got nailed to a cross by people like you”

Italians?

TheDarkKnight

Hey Paisan!

TheMartha

dixon – you are a terrified fool

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

martha – you are an idiot.

TheMartha

dishboy, you are a bore and a dolt.
Anonymous

And you havent contributed one thing to this thread except personal attacks.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Who the fuck is dishboy? Are you delusional, I don’t see that pseudonym anywhere in this site.
TheMartha

@dishboy – it’s you – from your days of hiding in the kitchen at the pizza joint. Post that photo again.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Still not seeing this dishboy you’re imaging, marth-cunt, you’ve gone delusional as well as stupid.
TheMartha

@dishboy – look in the mirror – oh, and post those photos again.

Anonymous

beats being a sockpuppet

TheMartha

You manage to be both.
Anonymous

proof if you have it. Nixon will prepare popcorn.
TheMartha

@dixon – your own comments are proof. Keep posting them. Get the whiskey handy, ’cause you’ll be choking on the popcorn.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Shut up hoggo, nobody wants to read you lies and fantasies.

RBC47

See above. And do try to post a complete, coherent sentence some time – ir would be a refreshing change.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Incoherent? Incomplete? Is English your second language? You = your makes i both complete and coherent, and you an idiot for not being able to read for comprehension, hoggo.

And you are the oft banned troll Hoggo, despite your protestations otherwise.

TheMartha

You lie, dishboy.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Projecting again I see.

TheMartha

And you lie again.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Projecting again? Really and you think I’m boring, at least I can post an entire sentence.

Anonymous

Don’t just sit there and whine – do something.

Except that response only makes sense if your claim that the killer was motivated by right wing speech is accurate. If it is inaccurate, you’re telling one side, in effect, to let the other dictate the terms of political debate. Moreover, this country’s history has had long periods of much more vehement political rhetoric than today. And no, the antebellum debates about slavery were not the extent of such periods. To claim that the “current tone” is responsible omits the question of why such killings did not happen before.
Anonymous

Don’t just sit there and whine – do something.

Except that response only makes sense if your claim that the killer was motivated by right wing speech is accurate. If it is inaccurate, you’re telling one side, in effect, to let the other dictate the terms of political debate. Moreover, this country’s history has had long periods of much more vehement political rhetoric than today. And no, the antebellum debates about slavery were not the extent of such periods. To claim that the “current tone” is responsible omits the question of why such killings did not happen before.
TheMartha

An accurate, astute and insightful comment. Bravo!

Anonymous

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/

Here are examples of unhinged leftists calling for violence.

D-Vega

That’s a biased source, Nixon.

Anonymous

I trust then you don’t ever quote CNN or NPR?
Anonymous

Maybe. But, since those are direct quotes from B Hussein Obama, as google will confirm, well, you know, go fuck yourself. You and your kind caused this shooting to happen Vega, with your anti American rhetoric and the calls for violence from your fueher.

Not Nixons , not Sarah Palin’s fault, and not the Tea Party.

Mahatma

B Hussein Obama, now there’s an example of an inflammatory statement.

Anonymous

Barak Hussein Obama is his given name. Nixon now supposes the truth is racist.
TheMartha

Your use of it is racist.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Martha using someones name to refer to that person is NOT racist you ignorant jackass!! Next you’ll try to tell us you’re smarter than a box of hammers.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Martha using someones name to refer to that person is NOT racist you ignorant jackass!! Next you’ll try to tell us you’re smarter than a box of hammers.
StanW

Calling the President byu his given name is inflammatory?

Vega, you are completely delusional!
D-Vega

You know how stupid you look when you address someone with someone else’s name?

TheMartha

dixon and Palin and the tea party all had their part to play in these murders.

Anonymous

flagged for blatant lies.
Anonymous

You don’t think putting a crosshair over someones name and rhetoric like this: “Kneecapping Barack Obama at every opportunity.” doesn’t incite violence?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No fincher it doesn’t, anymore than owning a gun does. Unless you can prove that anyone has committed an act of violence in the name of this site or its owners.
StanW

Examples and proof, or STFU!
TheMartha

stanley stanley stanley – proof is posted @RWN every day. Palin has her bullseye. The tea party shows its guns. Are you joining this ilk?
StanW

The ilk you speak of are patriots to this nation that think the Constitutionm includes the 2nd Amendment.

And Palin was not the first, or even the most recent to use the bulls-eye, RealPolitik. But you don’t have an issue when it is used against George Bush of Dick Cheney, or any Conservative.

Hypocrite!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

None!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

None!

D-Vega

You’re an idiot and a fool, Nixon.

You were making sense yesterday, but now you have gone with the flow of your master who are frantically trying to deflect blame.

YOU are the ones, especially in AZ, who have called for violence.

I don’t blame anyone, but the insane shooter.

Grow up and have some self-respect, you POS.

percivalcreek

You know, maybe you ought to shut up before you engage in some of that violent rhetoric you seem to blame others for.

Oh. Wait.
D-Vega

Hush, percy. You aren’t understanding.
percivalcreek

You know, maybe you ought to shut up before you engage in some of that violent rhetoric you seem to blame others for.

Oh. Wait.
Anonymous

Nixon has no earthly master Vega, you flashing back to that great Democratic institution of chattel slavery? POS? Nixon? Coming from someone who defends with great fervor illegal aliens, muslim terrorists, and leftist assassins, that is rich. Do something pussy, if you have the stones.
D-Vega

No, I would never invoke the horrible concept of slavery, one that was maintained for generations using conservative beliefs,and still would be in effect if not for Liberal Republicans.

What would you like me to do? It’s obvious that you feel some guilt over these people being killed and that’s why you are fervently lying.
StanW

Vega, we are getting tired of you continuing to lie about this. It was DEMOCRATS, Liberal Democrats thast encoutraged slavery, for for it, and fought to maintain it all the way through Civil Rights. It has been REPUBLICANS all along the way fighting for freedom and equality and against racists like YOU!
freeman

What would you like me to do? It’s obvious that you feel some guilt over these people being killed and that’s why you are fervently lying.

Don’t project your issues on other people D-Vega. Deal with them.
freeman

No, I would never invoke the horrible concept of slavery, one that was maintained for generations using conservative beliefs,and still would be in effect if not for Liberal Republicans.

Also, what evidence do you have that the beliefs of the people in the 1800′s would match with today’s labels of conservative and liberal?

Mahatma

Take ye a gander at this Nixon: http://tinyurl.com/TeaBagginPhotos

Anonymous

no thanks, your racism and bigotry is common knowledge, Nixon has no desire to go to Stormfront or the New Black Panther site and drive up your site’s traffic.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You mean those leftists who were trying to make Tea Paartiers out to be something they weren’t?

Anonymous

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/06/12/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric/

Here are examples of unhinged leftists calling for violence.
Anonymous

The problem with this approach is that it makes all political assassins rightwingers.

The default story for every assassination in this country is that it was an unhinged racist rightwinger probably with links to the tea-party. I’m fairly certain they have a stock report ready for such occasions that they simply have to fill in names, dates, locations, etc.

So if we fail to point out the leftwing inclinations of unhinged domestic terrorists they become rightwingers. And then conservatives get hammered in the next election with their ‘ties’ to violent extremists.

Anonymous

Oh and when the left starts saying “he was apolitical, a nutjob” that means they know he was a hardcore leftist.

conservativeminority

Agree.

After the shooting, many in the professional biz have been discursive and I do believe is a reality of what the media is now(especially the left). And is disappointing how the media is judging and charactetizing a kid who may be the victim instead of the innocent people that got killed, including the nine year old girl. You know something is wrong with that picture. Even when average Americans are debating at the problem instead of looking at it.

Hopefully in the future we can have some core principle people instead of some fiend ones.
D-Vega

Everyone likes to make sense out of insane events.

http://www.thepiratescove.us/ William_Teach

True, but, they usually wait for the facts to come in, rather than immediately jumping to “blame Palin,” “blame the TEA Party,” “blame Conservatives.” Hell, a good chunk didn’t even express any concern for those who were shot, they just wanted to blame, and that was YOUR side, Vega.

StanW

Teach, the “never let a crisis go to waste” Liberals are being completely consistent here. There plan is the same as it has always been:
1) Crisis occurs.
2) Blame Conservative person or cause for crisis.
3) Repeat Step #2 louder and more shrill.

Once the facts of the crisis are revealed…
1) If the fault of a Conservative, repeat step #3
2) If the fault of a Liberal, say “There is plenty of blame to go around”, and refuse to speak or discuss the matter ever again.

D-Vega

Oh, please. You are no one to talk about anyone’s credibility. You are a habitual liar and troll.

Anonymous

Pot meet kettle. Vega, how did you find a public library open this late to post from, late at night on a Sunday?
D-Vega

Bite me, Nixon. Standing up for your girlfriend again?
freeman

Standing up for your girlfriend again?

I didn’t know you were a homophobe, D-Vega. You must be, why else would you be calling someone gay as an insult.
StanW

You have yet to prove a single lie I have ever told. I can list several of yours if you like.

And as far as the troll moniker goes, you have no one to blame for that label but yourself, Vega.

D-Vega

No, because there are no facts in insane actions.

Anonymous

Difference is some of us use the facts to make sense of it, others already had a conclusion handy before this even occurred and tried to make it fit that mold.

Kind of like global warming: some folks start with the conclusion that it’s real and make all weather work towards proving that. Others work with the actual weather and draw conclusions from that.

D-Vega

Using one book on some YouTube page to decide he’s a liberal is JUST AS WRONG.

Anonymous

One book? His entire manifesto reads like a typical college ‘anarchist’*.
I am working with his own words, you are working on the assumption that there is some vast, hidden trove of evidence to the contrary.

Which is a more solid basis for a conclusion?

*anarchists these days being anything but, they are hardcore leftists in general.

D-Vega

Really? What about the book from Ayn Rand?

And an “anarchist” is not leftist either.
Anonymous

Easily outweighed by the other evidence.

And listen to the rhetoric from ‘anarchists’ some time. They are anything but true anarchists, they are leftists.
Anonymous

Easily outweighed by the other evidence.

And listen to the rhetoric from ‘anarchists’ some time. They are anything but true anarchists, they are leftists.
Anonymous

Easily outweighed by the other evidence.

And listen to the rhetoric from ‘anarchists’ some time. They are anything but true anarchists, they are leftists.

Vholland4kbs

It’s simple. Don’t place snipers crosshairs on your political opponents….Sarah Palin!

Anonymous

Sarah Palin neither caused, encouraged, or motivated this liberal to shoot these people. If you have proof, please post it.

Til then, please violently have sex with yourself.

TheMartha

Encouraged, she did.

Anonymous

flagged for lying.

Anonymous

You’re exactly right. This one time, I saw a sign that said “Local police are now targeting drunk drivers.” Later that day I saw a bunch of cops on the side of the road shooting at people who were driving erratically. True story.

/sarcasm

I expected to hear some ridiculousness from the left after I heard about this tragedy, but I certainly never imagined that they’d take a commonplace symbol and try to attach a stigma of violence to it.

The “crosshairs” target is used constantly in advertisements and other media to represent “focusing one’s attention”, which is exactly how Palin used it. Alone, it has no violent stigma. But I suppose nothing is beyond the left’s imagination.

TheMartha

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/palin-aide-crosshairs-on-target-list-not-actually-gun-sights.php?ref=fpi

Kingfisher

Wow, what a pussy. Are you afraid to come out from under your bead, afraid of the big bad conservative boogyman?

I’ll be happy to send a box of “Depends” to you so you won’t wet your bed at night! ROFL!

No wonder you can’t get a girlfriend. You would never stand up to protect her if necessary.
Kingfisher

One more statement. I guess you’re afraid of a girl. Palin must have caused you to soil your underwear more than once.

You must be one of those metrosexual sissies whose afraid of words.

What you’re also saying is that you’re afraid of radical Muslims, considering that they openly want us dead. I guess that makes you an Islamaphobe.
AF_Vet

“snipers crosshairs”

Or more accurately: Surveyor markers.

You fail, asswipe.
Anonymous

Is that all it would take to make you kill someone?

I suggest you turn yourself in as a danger to others.

Kingfisher

Hotair.com brought up an excellent comparison between this shooting and the Ft. Hood shooting in November of 2009. I went back to the RWN archives and the libs were doing what was to be expected which is, ask that nobody jump to conclusions. They also defended Islam, claiming that Nassad acted alone.

Fast forward to today where the same libs (many still posting today) are ignoring their own advice. They’re claiming that this was influenced by the right wing, that Palin is to blame, etc. without any evidence whatsoever. There was more evidence that Nassad was a radical Muslim yet the left ignored it.

So, to summarize:

When a Muslim kills people, he’s acting alone.
When a white man kills people, Palin, Limbaugh, Bush, the tea party etc. is to blame.

The truth: Liberals have only one enemy which is the right. They’re happy to blame the right for the death of innocent people. If a Muslim committed this atrocity, the same trolls would claim that he acted alone.

http://rightwingnews.com/2009/11/nidal-hasan-killed-those-people-because-hes-a-radical-muslim/

Anonymous

great point

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E256FZBLMWNAFQKDXJPDGI4ECA Poor Richard

There are scant few facts in this case pointing to any motive whatsoever, but the few there are most certainly point to the left–yet the MSM is saying exactly the opposite. Why do you suppose that is? Are they mistaken? Are they not in possession of the facts? Or are they deliberately lying? Why did the MSM immediately drop a dime on conservative rhetoric when the only evidence they had pointed in the other direction?

What do you think the MSM would say if Mr. Loughner had listed “The Federalist Papers” as one of his favorite books and a former classmate had described him as “quite conservative”? There would be an immediate end to the debate about possible motives–the smoking gun declared found and the question of right-wing vitriol settled once and for all. Then the calls for investigations, a return of the Fairness Doctrine, broadening of hate-speech laws, further marginalization of those not toeing the statist line. Every news show from NPR to msnbc would be falling over one another to smugly point out that they had been reporting the HATE in right-wing rhetoric all along (and in a sense they would be right). Yet “the Communist Manifesto” gets a complete pass from those very same watchdogs of the public welfare. They know the facts in the case and they simply do not care: “So what if the shooter lists “the Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books? So what if his own friend said he was “quite liberal”? So what if the Left has a long and sordid history of political violence in this country? Let’s tell everybody that RIGHT wingers are responsible. SO WHAT IF IT’S A LIE?? The average knuckle-dragger out there will never know the truth or at the very least OUR truth will be the first one they hear and thus that much more difficult to dislodge. LIE–we’ll finally be able to tar those rat-bastard Teabaggers!!”

I don’t know what’s more terrifying–that the MSM has decided that telling outright LIES, slandering any and all on the right while condescendingly avoiding culpability for their own violent rhetoric is more important than reporting the truth, or listening to all the “reasonable” conservative talking heads saying, “Hey slow down just a tad there, fellas. There is no ideology to blame here, this poor boy was clearly just a lone lunatic–can’t we all just get along??

The Leftist media (i.e. the media) has absolutely no intention of getting along.

America is having its attitudes, its opinions, its very memories warped and reconstructed along the statist party line every minute of every day by utterly corrupt propagandists posing as journalists. Until we realize that these people care about NOTHING other than moving the debate leftward–and that they will use any means necessary to do so–we who believe in self-determination are doomed to extinction; not as a by-product of their actions but because THAT IS THEIR GOAL. Every freedom loving American should be screaming. “NO, NO, NO!! Loughner WASN’T a Tea Partier! He WASN’T a libertarian! STOP LYING!! He was the quintessential radical leftist; hate-filled, violent, and utterly narcissistic. The statist bile that has been the Left’s stock in trade since WWI warped this man’s mind until he took it to its logical conclusion–death to those standing in the way of Utopia!! This is exactly the kind of behavior one should expect from the Left. Leftists want a society in which everyone cooperates, in which everyone plays a role in and is beholden to society, to “the People”, to the volksgeist, to The State. Problem is that in any sizable population there will always be someone who wants no part of their utopia–men who refuse to live their lives on other’s terms. And at that point leftists have but two options: abandon their plans for universal unity or pick up a gun. And true to this philosophy of arrogance and power-worship–Mr Loughner chose not to abandon his philosophy; he picked up a gun.

The MSM is staying on message and if we intend to survive this foul propaganda we cannot do so by attempting to reason with the very people who are re-writing history to compliment their powerlust. We must be our own spokespersons and we must shout all the more loudly for the MSM putting its hands over its ears. If we do not stand up for ourselves and call these people LIARS then we will be defeated in the square of public opinion. So, for myself and my fellow classical liberals I say: Make no mistake–Mr. Loughner was a true believer–he may have been insane, but I submit that it was LEFTISM that drove him mad and drove him to kill. LEFTISM is to blame. LEFT-WING rhetoric. LEFT-WING vitriol. LEFT-WING hate.other direction?

What do you think the MSM would say if Mr. Loughner had listed “The Federalist Papers” as one of his favorite books and a former classmate had described him as “quite conservative”? There would be an immediate end to the debate about possible motives–the smoking gun declared found and the question of right-wing vitriol settled once and for all. Then the calls for investigations, a return of the Fairness Doctrine, broadening of hate-speech laws, further marginalization of those not toeing the statist line. Every news show from NPR to msnbc would be falling over one another to smugly point out that they had been reporting the HATE in right-wing rhetoric all along (and in a sense they would be right). Yet “the Communist Manifesto” gets a complete pass from those very same watchdogs of the public welfare. They know the facts in the case and they simply do not care: “So what if the shooter lists “the Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books? So what if his own friend said he was “quite liberal”? So what if the Left has a long and sordid history of political violence in this country? Let’s tell everybody that RIGHT wingers are responsible. SO WHAT IF IT’S A LIE?? The average knuckle-dragger out there will never know the truth or at the very least OUR truth will be the first one they hear and thus that much more difficult to dislodge. LIE–we’ll finally be able to tar those rat-bastard Teabaggers!!”

I don’t know what’s more terrifying–that the MSM has decided that telling outright LIES, slandering any and all on the right while condescendingly avoiding culpability for their own violent rhetoric is more important than reporting the truth, or listening to all the “reasonable” conservative talking heads saying, “Hey slow down just a tad there, fellas. There is no ideology to blame here, this poor boy was clearly just a lone lunatic–can’t we all just get along??

The Leftist media (i.e. the media) has absolutely no intention of getting along.

America is having its attitudes, its opinions, its very memories warped and reconstructed along the statist party line every minute of every day by utterly corrupt propagandists posing as journalists. Until we realize that these people care about NOTHING other than moving the debate leftward–and that they will use any means necessary to do so–we who believe in self-determination are doomed to extinction; not as a by-product of their actions but because THAT IS THEIR GOAL. Every freedom loving American should be screaming. “NO, NO, NO!! Loughner WASN’T a Tea Partier! He WASN’T a libertarian! STOP LYING!! He was the quintessential radical leftist; hate-filled, violent, and utterly narcissistic. The statist bile that has been the Left’s stock in trade since WWI warped this man’s mind until he took it to its logical conclusion–death to those standing in the way of Utopia!! This is exactly the kind of behavior one should expect from the Left. Leftists want a society in which everyone cooperates, in which everyone plays a role in and is beholden to society, to “the People”, to the volksgeist, to The State. Problem is that in any sizable population there will always be someone who wants no part of their utopia–men who refuse to live their lives on other’s terms. And at that point leftists have but two options: abandon their plans for universal unity or pick up a gun. And true to this philosophy of arrogance and power-worship–Mr Loughner chose not to abandon his philosophy; he picked up a gun.

The MSM is staying on message and if we intend to survive this foul propaganda we cannot do so by attempting to reason with the very people who are re-writing history to compliment their powerlust. We must be our own spokespersons and we must shout all the more loudly for the MSM putting its hands over its ears. If we do not stand up for ourselves and call these people LIARS then we will be defeated in the square of public opinion. So, for myself and my fellow classical liberals I say: Make no mistake–Mr. Loughner was a true believer–he may have been insane, but I submit that it was LEFTISM that drove him mad and drove him to kill. LEFTISM is to blame. LEFT-WING rhetoric. LEFT-WING vitriol. LEFT-WING hate.other direction?

What do you think the MSM would say if Mr. Loughner had listed “The Federalist Papers” as one of his favorite books and a former classmate had described him as “quite conservative”? There would be an immediate end to the debate about possible motives–the smoking gun declared found and the question of right-wing vitriol settled once and for all. Then the calls for investigations, a return of the Fairness Doctrine, broadening of hate-speech laws, further marginalization of those not toeing the statist line. Every news show from NPR to msnbc would be falling over one another to smugly point out that they had been reporting the HATE in right-wing rhetoric all along (and in a sense they would be right). Yet “the Communist Manifesto” gets a complete pass from those very same watchdogs of the public welfare. They know the facts in the case and they simply do not care: “So what if the shooter lists “the Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books? So what if his own friend said he was “quite liberal”? So what if the Left has a long and sordid history of political violence in this country? Let’s tell everybody that RIGHT wingers are responsible. SO WHAT IF IT’S A LIE?? The average knuckle-dragger out there will never know the truth or at the very least OUR truth will be the first one they hear and thus that much more difficult to dislodge. LIE–we’ll finally be able to tar those rat-bastard Teabaggers!!”

I don’t know what’s more terrifying–that the MSM has decided that telling outright LIES, slandering any and all on the right while condescendingly avoiding culpability for their own violent rhetoric is more important than reporting the truth, or listening to all the “reasonable” conservative talking heads saying, “Hey slow down just a tad there, fellas. There is no ideology to blame here, this poor boy was clearly just a lone lunatic–can’t we all just get along??

The Leftist media (i.e. the media) has absolutely no intention of getting along.

America is having its attitudes, its opinions, its very memories warped and reconstructed along the statist party line every minute of every day by utterly corrupt propagandists posing as journalists. Until we realize that these people care about NOTHING other than moving the debate leftward–and that they will use any means necessary to do so–we who believe in self-determination are doomed to extinction; not as a by-product of their actions but because THAT IS THEIR GOAL. Every freedom loving American should be screaming. “NO, NO, NO!! Loughner WASN’T a Tea Partier! He WASN’T a libertarian! STOP LYING!! He was the quintessential radical leftist; hate-filled, violent, and utterly narcissistic. The statist bile that has been the Left’s stock in trade since WWI warped this man’s mind until he took it to its logical conclusion–death to those standing in the way of Utopia!! This is exactly the kind of behavior one should expect from the Left. Leftists want a society in which everyone cooperates, in which everyone plays a role in and is beholden to society, to “the People”, to the volksgeist, to The State. Problem is that in any sizable population there will always be someone who wants no part of their utopia–men who refuse to live their lives on other’s terms. And at that point leftists have but two options: abandon their plans for universal unity or pick up a gun. And true to this philosophy of arrogance and power-worship–Mr Loughner chose not to abandon his philosophy; he picked up a gun.

The MSM is staying on message and if we intend to survive this foul propaganda we cannot do so by attempting to reason with the very people who are re-writing history to compliment their powerlust. We must be our own spokespersons and we must shout all the more loudly for the MSM putting its hands over its ears. If we do not stand up for ourselves and call these people LIARS then we will be defeated in the square of public opinion. So, for myself and my fellow classical liberals I say: Make no mistake–Mr. Loughner was a true believer–he may have been insane, but I submit that it was LEFTISM that drove him mad and drove him to kill. LEFTISM is to blame. LEFT-WING rhetoric. LEFT-WING vitriol. LEFT-WING hate.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_E256FZBLMWNAFQKDXJPDGI4ECA Poor Richard

There are scant few facts in this case pointing to any motive whatsoever, but the few there are most certainly point to the left–yet the MSM is saying exactly the opposite. Why do you suppose that is? Are they mistaken? Are they not in possession of the facts? Or are they deliberately lying? Why did the MSM immediately drop a dime on conservative rhetoric when the only evidence they had pointed in the other direction?

What do you think the MSM would say if Mr. Loughner had listed “The Federalist Papers” as one of his favorite books and a former classmate had described him as “quite conservative”? There would be an immediate end to the debate about possible motives–the smoking gun declared found and the question of right-wing vitriol settled once and for all. Then the calls for investigations, a return of the Fairness Doctrine, broadening of hate-speech laws, further marginalization of those not toeing the statist line. Every news show from NPR to msnbc would be falling over one another to smugly point out that they had been reporting the HATE in right-wing rhetoric all along (and in a sense they would be right). Yet “the Communist Manifesto” gets a complete pass from those very same watchdogs of the public welfare. They know the facts in the case and they simply do not care: “So what if the shooter lists “the Communist Manifesto” as one of his favorite books? So what if his own friend said he was “quite liberal”? So what if the Left has a long and sordid history of political violence in this country? Let’s tell everybody that RIGHT wingers are responsible. SO WHAT IF IT’S A LIE?? The average knuckle-dragger out there will never know the truth or at the very least OUR truth will be the first one they hear and thus that much more difficult to dislodge. LIE–we’ll finally be able to tar those rat-bastard Teabaggers!!”

I don’t know what’s more terrifying–that the MSM has decided that telling outright LIES, slandering any and all on the right while condescendingly avoiding culpability for their own violent rhetoric is more important than reporting the truth, or listening to all the “reasonable” conservative talking heads saying, “Hey slow down just a tad there, fellas. There is no ideology to blame here, this poor boy was clearly just a lone lunatic–can’t we all just get along??

The Leftist media (i.e. the media) has absolutely no intention of getting along.

America is having its attitudes, its opinions, its very memories warped and reconstructed along the statist party line every minute of every day by utterly corrupt propagandists posing as journalists. Until we realize that these people care about NOTHING other than moving the debate leftward–and that they will use any means necessary to do so–we who believe in self-determination are doomed to extinction; not as a by-product of their actions but because THAT IS THEIR GOAL. Every freedom loving American should be screaming. “NO, NO, NO!! Loughner WASN’T a Tea Partier! He WASN’T a libertarian! STOP LYING!! He was the quintessential radical leftist; hate-filled, violent, and utterly narcissistic. The statist bile that has been the Left’s stock in trade since WWI warped this man’s mind until he took it to its logical conclusion–death to those standing in the way of Utopia!! This is exactly the kind of behavior one should expect from the Left. Leftists want a society in which everyone cooperates, in which everyone plays a role in and is beholden to society, to “the People”, to the volksgeist, to The State. Problem is that in any sizable population there will always be someone who wants no part of their utopia–men who refuse to live their lives on other’s terms. And at that point leftists have but two options: abandon their plans for universal unity or pick up a gun. And true to this philosophy of arrogance and power-worship–Mr Loughner chose not to abandon his philosophy; he picked up a gun.

The MSM is staying on message and if we intend to survive this foul propaganda we cannot do so by attempting to reason with the very people who are re-writing history to compliment their powerlust. We must be our own spokespersons and we must shout all the more loudly for the MSM putting its hands over its ears. If we do not stand up for ourselves and call these people LIARS then we will be defeated in the square of public opinion. So, for myself and my fellow classical liberals I say: Make no mistake–Mr. Loughner was a true believer–he may have been insane, but I submit that it was LEFTISM that drove him mad and drove him to kill. LEFTISM is to blame. LEFT-WING rhetoric. LEFT-WING vitriol. LEFT-WING hate.
Nighthood

If I wanted to read a retarded, right-wing opinion on shit I’d find it myself. Fuck the fuck off, whoever added this to stumbleupon.

The shooting happened not entirely because of the rhetoric right wingers use, but said rhetoric makes a HUGE difference to people, especially mentally unsound ones. But hey, “THEM LIBERALS”, right?

Anonymous

“The shooting happened not entirely because of the rhetoric right wingers use, but said rhetoric makes a HUGE difference to people, especially mentally unsound ones. ”

I assume that you have evidence he was influenced by ‘rightwing rhetoric’.

I applaud you for discovering this link that no one the media has been able to find (despite many desperate attempts).

Please, present this evidence for us all to contemplate.

Anonymous

Do you really believe this bullshit or do you just say whatever you’re told to say. You folks are incredibly hateful, greedy and always light on facts. For a group calling themselves defenders of the Constitution your tea baggers are incredibly ignorant of the document!!!

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