You would have to prove what percentage of these felon voters voted for Franken, junior.

Prove to who?
You?
You don't even know what proof is moron.
You stated you could prove obama submitted his real birth certificate.
What you did instead was prove factcheck lied, said they have the real birth certificate showed a picture of it… oh wait, showed a picture of an obvious FAKE certificate of live birth (you didnt even look at the picture did you little guy?), and its all true because their staffer walked into the office and made the Hawaii department of health violate the law, and violate Obama's privacy by opening his sealed documents.
Awesome!
Keep excusing criminal behavior of your elected leaders. Anything you can do to lie cheat and steal your way into power right?
Oh don't forget to add the “your just foaming” meme.

uh, that's his birth certificate.

Deal with it, Birther!

Didn't I ask you for evidence of that from a verifiable source (the same way you ask everyone else for proof of their claims) and you refused to provide it?

Minnesota deserves him. It should never have been close enough that a few felons could put another soon-to-be felon in charge.

uh, yeah. And i provided the FactChecker.org link on the “Sarah Palin doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming President” thread.

Um no, when I directly asked for evidence of this on a thread where we were discussing it a rather vigorous debate ended and you refused to respond.

Buffoon franken was help not just by CONVICTED felons. Remember that Minn was one of the states targeted by ACORN in their massive voter fraud efforts that helped the marxist drug addict steal the election, so it is not a surprise that these criminal efforts had an effect on the Senate race, also.

In a perverted sense, one must admit that franken, thanks to ACORN and felon fraud, has become the best symbol of the d-crat party: a pathetic, non-funny clown. He also provides a new and even better justification for their jackass symbol.

And just to be clear; I'm fairly ambivalent on this.

I'm just enjoying the double standard. Could you imagine if McCain had won and there had been anything slightly amiss with his birth certificate? It would make the 2000 election look like a smooth transition of power.

But as is the standard response is: that's racist, you can't ask that question!

Read the top of what you are calling a birth certificate.
Or are you that illeterate and do not know the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of live birth?
Also it is apparent you are too young to know what typewriter's did to documents.
They don't look as pretty as that HTML generated FAKE certificate of live birth you are claiming is his birth certificate.

Nothing is amiss with McCain's or Obama's BC. That's the fact of the matter.

Both have been confirmed to be Constitutionally valid, which is all that matters.

My apologies, it's a pretty common link:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Confirmed after he became president, via him announcing that it was so.

By that logic Nixon wasn't a crook and Bill never had sexual relations with that woman.

Love that link, lets see it again?
Your proof of obamao submitting his Real original birth certificate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Only two problems with factcheck.
That is not a birth certificate they are holding in the picture. It isnt even a real certificate of live birth.
Two: A staffer waltzed into Department of Health and unsealed private records and handled the “really real” birth certificate?

What fucking moron honestly believes the crap factcheck claims on that page?

Yup, he really proved the birth certificate thing… by posting a blogger's op ed peace showing a real FAKE certificate of live birth and claimed it was a real birth certificate.

Yes, it is a BC.

What you are idiotically referring to is the original birth certificate, which is not required. You can't get the one pictured, unless you have the original one stored usually in the capital of your home state.

I've slaugthered better debaters than you on this issue on this very site.

No, this was confirmed before he became president.

It's not fake, Birther. You say it's fake because you have to, because you cannot face reality.

Mind you, the date on the factchecker link is August 2008.

Where have you been?

Acorn has been exonerated and is suing the two that played Fox for the bias it promotes.

The right always needs a nefarious explanation when people have more sense (like by electing Frankin) than the right gives people credit for having.

Frankin is doing a bang up job. He's great. Get over it. A real leader and not a radio voice promoting hate and ignorance, like the bum Rush.

Just like Al Gore tried in 2000, only the Supreme Court had the sense to put a stop to his shenanigans before they started breaking state law to reach the divination and Magic 8-Ball stage like in Minnesota.

They admit as much themselves. It's Cloward-Piven electoral tactics. Throw so much fraud at the system that it becomes impossible to eliminate all of it while producing a timely election result. Thus duffel bags of absentee ballots get counted and Democrat hands get to select whose vote counts and whose gets thrown out.

It's been clear for a decade now that liberals are staunchly opposed to free elections, and are concentrating on doing as much damage to the process as possible.

Oh wait… so when you said you had proof that he had submitted his original birth certificate… you lied?
I'm shocked. We told you then the only thing he had released publically was an obvious FAKE COLB which is not valid for any validation of your citizenship due to the fact Hawaii issues them to non-citizens.
You STILL claimed he had submitted his original birth certificate and what you showed was an artical claiming “this is proof of his original birth certificate..” which is a LIE.
So obvious you can't even say it is not a lie.
So now you are trying to say the President of the United States of America is above the law, and is not required to adhere to the constitution.
THANK YOU, moron.

As for your claims that you can not get your own original.
Bullshit.
Everyone who posts here who has served in the military was required to submit their birth certificate to enlist.
Every highschool kid who has met with the president has had to show their ORIGINAL birth certificate to secret service to obtain clearance to shake the hand of obamao.

And you sit there and say that arguably the most powerful leader in the world does not have to validate who he is?
You are a moron.

Gee, I guess in your mind you slaughtered me again?
No arms, no legs but still crying victor.
Funny person you are, Black Knight.

Nothing at al amiss with obamao's BC, it is supposedly sealed where obamao does not “have” to show it to anyone.

Oh wait… does anyone care to look up what is required for the DNC to certify someone as eligible to become president?
They might find out an original birth certificate is required.
Careful, you look in the wrong direction you are going to see obamao's bare ass.

Above you just stated he did not offer his original birth certificate and is not required to. That his COLB is “good enough” based on your knowlege…
Careful Vag, you are perilously close to finding yourself in a corner with no excuses left.

Right, same page that says “here is obamao's original birth certficate in this picture”
Just don't look at the picture, you will see it is not a birth certificate.
And you might start wondering who would ever believe a staffer walked into HDH and obtained someone's private documents.

Nonsense. The link illustrates the same birth certificate which you would use to get any priviledge where a BC is required. If you asked your state capital for a BC copy, they would send you the same thing.

The BC showed is not a fake. At all. That is birther-bullshit.

It must give you headaches to be so full of contempt and fear, and stupidity.

Oh btw, Hawaii doesn't issue BCs to non-citizens. That is more birther-bullshit.

Are you trying to claim that the picture is his Birth Certificate? Because it is not and if you are then its the worst fake there is.
If you are trying to say that it is a genuine authentic photocopy of a COLB, again, not hardly.
Anyone old enough to have used typewriters knows its an obvious fake too.
Bringing us back to the original question… where is his birth certificate at, comme?

Don't look, I already posted that above.
Pretty common for anyone wanting a laugh.

A “COLB” is the same as a “BC”.

The only differences is the “original” and “state copy”.

Obama provided the state copy. The same one you would provide for employment or a driver's license.

The whole “COLB” is birther-bullshit to confuse and humor it's dumb followers who don't know any better.

That is the birth certificate.

You can keep making shit up if you like, but that doesn't change reality.

Laughing at you, that is what everyone is doing.

A COLB is not the same as a BC
A COLB is not valid for: background checks, DMV request for motor vehicle liscence, employment verification, enlisting in the military, security clearance and crap ton of other things.
The State of Hawaii will issue upon request a COLB to any non-citizen requesting them.

You claimed over and over obamao had submitted his original BC.
PROVE IT or STFU.
FACTCHECK.ORG claims the image on that page is his original BC. It is infact NOT and is obvious to anyone who looks at the image that it is not a BC. It has no image of any state seal copied onto it.
Also the facts are that as a document it is invalid if it is tampered with.
It resembles NOTHING like a Hawaii issued COLB.

“Are you trying to claim that the picture is his Birth Certificate?”

Yes, because it is, Birther.

“Because it is not and if you are then its the worst fake there is.”

It's not a fake. At all. Only idiot birthers think that. Because they can't face reality. Like yourself.

“If you are trying to say that it is a genuine authentic photocopy of a COLB, again, not hardly. “

It isn't a photocopy. It is a state copy. The same one you would get from your state capital. Because they have the original. There is no difference between a “COLB” and a “BC”. MORON.

“Anyone old enough to have used typewriters knows its an obvious fake too.”

Then why is it that nearly everyone is laughing at you right now? And typewriters cannot fake an embossed seal. Idiot.

“Bringing us back to the original question… where is his birth certificate at, comme?”

It's right there in the link, Birther.

The only nimrod trying to make shit up is the same one claiming they had proof of his original birth certificate.
SURPRISE! YOU LIED!

Nice try. Acorn has not been exonerated, and it has had to disband its national entity.

Do you think you can walk in here and just spout your lies?

“COLB is not the same as a BC”

PROVE IT.

“A COLB is not valid for: background checks, DMV request for motor vehicle liscence, employment verification, enlisting in the military, security clearance and crap ton of other things.”

HORSESHIT. PROVE IT.

“The State of Hawaii will issue upon request a COLB to any non-citizen requesting them.”

MORE HORSESHIT. PROVE IT.

“You claimed over and over obamao had submitted his original BC.
PROVE IT or STFU.”

I never said original, LIAR.

“FACTCHECK.ORG claims the image on that page is his original BC. It is infact NOT and is obvious to anyone who looks at the image that it is not a BC. It has no image of any state seal copied onto it.”

From Factcheck:

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

It's so easy to prove what deluded liars Birthers are.

“Also the facts are that as a document it is invalid if it is tampered with.
It resembles NOTHING like a Hawaii issued COLB.”

PROVE IT LIAR.

Prove everything you are asserting here or STFU, idiot.

I never said original, jackwipe.

It's a birth certificate. One that proves he was born here. Do you realize how embarassing you are that you continue to whine about this when it's a done deal?

Actually dumbass a COLB will work in all 50 states for a drivers license, also works for employment verification. A simple phone call to your state office would have found this out, how fucking stupid are you?

ACORN exonerated itself. That's not the same thing as being really exonerated.

Just like the people accused of fraud in the climategate scandal looked in to it and decided there was no sign of corruption so we should all forget about it.

The Certification of Live Birth is the only certificate the Hawaii currently issues. In 2001 all of the paper birth certificate information was converted into electronic format. While the original still exists, it is no longer the valid document under Hawaiian law.

If a court were to demand a copy of President Obama's birth certificate to prove his natural born citizenship as a Constitutional requirement to serve as President, the Certification of Live Birth is what the State of Hawaii would present, as under that state's law, it is the valid certificate.

The fact that there were also two birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers substantiate the fact that he was born in Hawaii.

We have enough ammunition to defeat him in 2012 without sounding like conspiracy theory addled wackos. Please drop the birther crap.

Wall Street Journal
Honolulu Advertiser (formerly Honolulu Star-Bulletin)

C'mon, dude. You are ruining the fun.

I don't like fun. I like facts. There are some things that just need to die, and the birther issue is one of them.

But it's so easy, though.

I am still waiting for proof of exactly how many felons voted for Franken.

Don't get all giddy with excitement. I still hate your guts.

Hate? That's a bit extreme.

I don't hate you, Bildo.

I hate very few people.

And most people, though they may not agree with me, can't help but liking me as a person. I'm just charming that way.

Hey, where did EMT go?

It's just like a birther to run away when faced with reality.

Anyways, now that we have dismissed the idiot, can we now get some proof as to how many felons voted from Franken from the Minnesota Majority, a conservative org bent on discrediting Franken?

Surely they have some actual proof.

Even by Van Helsing's abyssmally low standards, this post is crap – and the comment reaction it it proves that Van Helsing's stupidity is contagious.

Minnestoa Majority has alledged that felons may have voted in the 2008 election – but that has not been proved and there is really no point in finding out since the election results cannot now be changed.

Even if felons did vote, there is no way of knowing who they voted for – Norm Coleman, sleazeball that he is, might well have been pretty attractive to them. But assuming that some felons did vote and some voted for Franken, there is no way of knowing if Franken's margin of victory would have been less.

In other words, Van Helsing and whatever idiot he was quoting were … speculating – nothing but speculating. They have no facts to back up what they say.

Van Helsing is the ultimate irresponsible political hack, and an especially vicious example of the tye.

Here is a copy of the actual report, so we can discuss with some iota of credibility. I know that's hard on a VD thread.

http://www.minnesotamajority.org/Portals/0/docu…

Son, you havent slaughtered anybody at anything regarding obama. Its been interesting watching your posts and language change over the last couple years. You have serious doubts about the criminal you voted for, and you are very defensive in regards to your credibility now. You, prematurly, put all your eggs in the obama basket, and now its damage control time for you. In regards to Franken……yup, he stole it just like obama did and algore tried to do. Birth cirtificate? A COLB is not a BC, but its what the state of Hawaii gives out for official business. All we are doing here is relying on the word of some hawaiian official that they have seen the original BC. Maybe thats good enough for you, but not for me. If I was obama id get my original and release it…..that would shut me up. But he is not, and thats very troubling. Whats to hide mr obama?

Heh.
Vega is handing out “like points” to a known troll like groundhog here. Dude, you should really watch who you associate with. It harms what credibility you have left here.

TR

Sadly, the answer to your question, Bildo, is an unqualified “Yes”.

He does it every day.

Just today in another thread he contended that he didn't make a comment in which he defended Ms. Pelosi's statement that unemployment cheques were the best form of stimulus. In that comment he alleged that unemployment cheques create jobs. Today, he denied ever saying it.

Lying, distorting, twisting, baiting, name calling – it's all part of Petey's act. I'd warrant that such behaviour is intimately tied to his serious lack of credibility.

lol this guy is a moron. If I ever get you as an emt. I would rather work on myself.

A COLB cannot be used for Little League All-Stars either!

You're a liberal douche that thinks forcibly taking the product of someone else's hard work is noble. You think that government bureaucrats should be allowed to make our personal decisions for us.

I wouldn't shoot you on sight or anything so “hate” may be too strong. “Disgusted” is probably more appropriate.

Thanks, Bildo, for the info. I admit that I had done cursory research on the matter but not in depth since I am extremely busy. When I asked around here for reliable info, I nearly got my head bitten off by some posters (I won't give names). Clearly, you're not one of them. :-)

If the felons voted for anyone but the democrats it would be an anomaly unheard of in the modern era.

Like saying maybe all the black voters in the 2008 election went to McCain. We'll never know, (wink wink).

I don't think that he is an EMT. He claims all sorts of crazy things. EMT also talks about his or his family's imaginary ranch on the Tex/Mex border and the need for loaded shotguns and rifles in his Kia to protect himself from snakes, animal and human cattle predators, and illegal aliens. EMT even claims that he doesn't need a permit to carry, without restriction, a concealed weapon in Texas. No so, only between place of residence/business and his vehicle, according to a Texas state website, which he disagrees with. No, EMT sits in front of a computer in some big city in Texas, or maybe even Virginia, where he apparently lives. It can't be very challenging office work. No, EMT is a phoney wanna be cowboy EMT.

Thus speaks the brainwashed twit who has proof of nothing he claims, just like in this post!

Yup, Hannity played an edited video where the two “jokers” told some goofey story about sneaking kids across the border to form a prostitution ring to an San Diego ACORN employee The video shows the ACORN rep taking notes and leading the “jokers” on. What Hannity didn't say is that the ACORN employee called the police as soon as the “jokers” left.
Thank you, Rachael Maddow for exposing Hannity for what he is.

The DMV in Hawaii doesn't even accept COLBs for proof of residency/citizenship to get driver licenses, they require the presentation of a “State certified Birth Certificate”. And we're allowing ANYBODY to substitute a COLB too prove they are eligible to be president?

I'm not even a “birther” per say. I just find it suspicious the lengths Obama has gone to in keeping his Birth Certificate, college application paper work, college transcripts, and work history under wraps. I find it even more suspicious the same Democratic movers and shakers that SCREAMED for the release of W's documents for all the world to see are silent where Obama's are concerned if not actively covering for him.

It stinks of conspiracy. And if felonies were committed we should know and start charging people accordingly.

You used to brag about studying pre-engineering, whatever that is. Did you say that you flunked out of “pre engineering” or did you switch to business because you couldn't hack engineering?

I never studied “pre-engineering”, which I guess, prepares those who are deficient in math/science for engineering school.

I have classes that would have been transferable for 1st and nd year BS in mechanical or civilengineering, but chose a degree in Mathematics instead, brainwashed one. I flunked out of nothing, even have two Bachelors, you twit. And will likely be taking course in the near future for an MS in Statistics.

You still claim to know everything, and prove nothing.

Well, Hoss, A Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth will NOT work in place of a State Certified Birth Certificate in South Dakota. It doesn't even work in Hawaii. I know cause I was just on the Hawaii DMV site and their own COLB is not listed as one of the documents one can use to prove eligibility to apply for a Hawaii DL.

Maybe you should do some actual research before shooting your mouth off.

“It's been clear for a decade now that liberals are staunchly opposed to free elections…”

That's because they lose free honest elections.

Actually there is some basis for this concern, the count is definitely problematic, and felons did end up voting significantly. Whether or not they all voted for Franken (felons are hardly predictable as leftists) is another matter, but that state definitely has some voting issues.

No, it was NOT “CONFIRMED” at any time whatsoever.
And 5 Days before the Election, it was raised, yet again – wasn't anyone going to make him provide the documents before the VOTE! And strings of “authorized” people came out and said IT WAS NOT THEIR JOB TO CERTIFY HIM, even though the Constitution required it be done – They specifically all stated, it had not been done and it was not their job to do it. Judges and Congress, etc et al

OOP! Hit the wrong key talking to the children – did NOT intentionally hit the “LIKE” key!

Just think this is dumb as DIRT – since the FACTCHECK thingy has long been discredited. They are NOT neutral or credible, and some background trash came out on them, liked to the Obamas directly or something…

Agreed.
I mean come on, leftists. Don't be stupid. The felon vote falls squarly in the Dem camp. Which party is soft on crime? Which party pushes greater restrictions on the legal ownership of firearms? Which party caters to the poor and minority communities from which most criminals spring from? Which party pushes the victim mentality that many criminals use to justify their actions? Which party opposes the death penalty?
News flash: it aint the Republicans.
True enough it's not like there is some poll asking convicted felon who voted which party they favored. But get real. Use some common sense here.
TR

Don't you hate that, Rose?
I've hit the “like” key by accident when meaning to reply to some troll or idiot post twice now.
I wish they would move it away from the “reply” button.

TR

Do you have any clue as to how harping on that makes you look like an even bigger idiot than you already are, troll boy?
It's called “off topic trolling”.
Hawkins, can we get a cleanup here?

TR

Yeah a blogger dude walking in and looking at SEALED PRIVATE documents is a FELONY. No criminal charges, no Long Form BC – he prolly was NOT ever there.
WND reporters who were journalist decades before the internet went there in person and could not get a look-see or a certified copy.

The only reason you make fun of their journalists is because they don't say anything that supports your lies. But they were credible journalists long before you began communicating with the outside world through the internet.

NOT the BC, not even a legitimate COLB IMITATION!
Documentaries show the step by step DISCREDITATIONS.

HTML images and photoshopping, and an EAST COAST SS#, Indonesian schooling where Americans would be KILLED… Where's the Soetero Adoption PAPERS anyway!!!!

HTML image photoshopped – proves HE WISHES!!!

Not EVEN!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…
“Why COLB does not prove Hawaiian birth
The publication of the Obama birth announcements in 1961 suggests the Hawaii Department of Health issued a Certification of Live Birth, or COLB, for Barack Obama. But that alone is not proof he was born in Hawaii.
In 1961, Hawaiian law specifically allowed “an adult or the legal parents of a minor child” to apply to the health department and, upon unspecified proof, be given a birth document in the form of a Certification of Live Birth.
The only requirement stated in Hawaiian law is “that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
So, even the listing of an address on a COLB or in a newspaper birth announcement is no proof the baby was born in Hawaii.
Under Hawaiian law, a family wishing to register the birth of a baby born outside Hawaii can list a family residence in Hawaii as the birth address, even if the mother was residing outside Hawaii at the time the baby was born.
Hawaii refuses to authenticate
WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health refused to authenticate either of the two versions of Obama's short-form Certification of Live Birth posted online – the image produced by the 2008 Obama presidential campaign and the images released by FactCheck.org.
WND also reported that until recently, even the Hawaii state government refused to accept a short-form COLB as proof of a Hawaiian birth required for eligibility in state programs. The Hawaiian Home Lands program, for example, required a “long-form birth certificate” filled out in the hospital with details such as the name of the hospital and the attending physician.
If a short-form COLB was not good enough for the Department of Hawaiian Homelands, submitting a newspaper-printed birth announcement as proof of a Hawaiian birth would have been rejected immediately. “

Neither Annie, or Mr. lived at the address listed – which was her parents'.
They had other separate residences, not with eachother, listed in this article.

YOU prove it – get him to produce his documents, like all other American Presidents already have, like all American CITIZENS have to.

It's your turn.

Your word just ain't gonna get you anywhere, and it won't get HIM anywhere, either.

Produce or crawl.

Only in your mind – which isn't helping Odrama Queen's LACK OF INTEGRITY, one iota.

No it does not. It wouldn't get you to the validation point with a county judge.
And when the county judge hears there was also a later adoption by a man from another nation involved…

All you have is hot air.

LOL! I haven't seen him slaughter anybody over ANY issue in all the years I been here.

Obama distanced himself from what his own staff put on his own website – obviously refusing to be connected with a legal case of FRAUD – ON TOP OF WHAT ELSE? This is so far an old trick of con artists to say, I MYSELF didn't make any FALSE CLAIMS about MYSELF – Can I help it if others jump to their own conclusions? How can you blame ME if they are wrongly assuming…”

Making sure when they do get caught, the actual CRIMINAL charges are kept to an absolute minimum!

At this point, once Hawaii got permission from Odrama Queen to open up AT ALL, they would have top let internationally well-reputed FORENSIC EXPERTS come in and DOCUMENT AND EXAMINE and “prove p” what Hawaii has or does not have.

You won't get COMPUTER “DOCUMENTATION” to restore any credibility for ODRAMA QUEEN after all these hi-jimx, and $$$Millions to get court cases dismissed and keep his records SEALED. It will take archival and forensic experts with exemplary credibility and bonafides of their own after all these games.

The more Odrama Queen undermines the Constitution, the more he undermines the SOURCE of his own authority. The more he mocks the Constitution, the less credibility he can possibly attain to.

He has even puts his own daughters' legitimacy at stake for this game.

A grown man should be heartily ashamed of such tomfoolery.

The only other case we have seen of this is one of the Russian Spy couples who pretended to be married and had children. Out of Wedlock. Pretending to be married! When cornered with it, he said his mission was more important than the children.

Is that what Odrama Queen will say? His mission as an imposter was/is more important to him than his daughters?

Appears so!

Agreed.

The 2 newspaper accounts are identical and the newspapers shared info from the Health Dept, and both have the same wrong address for Annie, or for Mr. Obama Sr. EITHER ONE. Same as the COLB.

Obama's parents didn't live at the listed address
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…
The birth address listed on the Certification of Live Birth produced by the 2008 Obama presidential campaign is evidence of the type of error that can occur because of Hawaiian laws and the procedures for placing birth announcements in newspapers.
Moreover, the repeat of the address error in the Obama newspaper birth announcements is further evidence the papers simply published the information they were given by the Hawaii Department of Health.
Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's parents, apparently did not live together as husband and wife at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu, the address listed in the announcement.
As WND reported, that address belonged to Ann Dunham's parents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham.
Moreover, Obama's parents lived apart, at two different addresses, after their marriage, with Ann Dunham evidently remaining in the rented house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway after she was married.
Barack Obama Sr. lived alone in an 11th Avenue address, closer to the university. Ann Dunham left Hawaii with her newborn son just two weeks after the birth.

ACORN hasn't been exonerated. Their own self-internal review doesn't constitute exoneration.

Rose, as soon as you learn that typing words in all capital letters weakens your argument instead of strengthening it, I'll respond to your conspiracy theory addled diatribe.

That's the big issue. It's a fair bet that a majority of them did, but felons aren't a consistent group, there's some real hard core conservatives in prison too. And people who might not vote for Franken just because he's a buffoon. Not that Coleman was any prize, either.

It's been clear since the Civil War that Dims staunchly disapprove of free and LEGAL elections. Standing joke in the South about VOTING CEMETARIES and hanging Republicans in the swamps.

Jokes about paid votes go back as old as American Settlements.

You didn't dismiss that man. He is just one who has a life. It is like you to wait til someone is gone to do something else and then you try to declare that makes YOU the winner of the dispute?

Produce some DOCUMENTATION, D-Vega! Cough up some BONAFIDIES!!!

TACKY TACKY TACKY!

Dim SOP response to investigations of Dim FRAUDS.

Everyone knew the win for Franken was fraudulent, we all knew the recounts would not stop til they were “found” to be in his favor. One way or TEN OTHERS!

Where do you intend to go to dig you up some credibility for yourself, D-Vega!

SO LOL!

I've been known to bite a few heads off. :)

James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal link above has probably the best summary of it all. I don't agree with him on immigration, he has a very moderate New Yorker's view, but he has extremely good commentary on most other issues.

People are making this an emotional, and personal, issue with Obama, and just like with Clinton in the 90's, that is a huge mistake.

If I like the post, I will do so.

I dont know about the personal decisions. And the “taking the product” meme is a huge range, from schools to police to highways to defense to welfare to oil subsidies. So spare me your high horse.

That's a load of crap. Those two are one and the same. Stop your nonsense.

More nonsense, Rose. The law you cite was passed AFTER OBAMA WAS BORN,

Yeah, it can. Stop lying.

Which says much about your morality. Would you comment favorably on or hand out a “like point” a post by jackshite/pete/pete moss or even a Martha account? You would never catch me doing so no matter what they say. (at least on purpose) Doing so only misleads these creatures into the mistaken belief that they are a legitimate member of the forum.

But we have long established that as long as a troll is on your side (Martha being the sole exception…and that was probably only because he went after you) you will not call him on his bad behavior and in fact will rarely even admit there is a problem. It's a classic case of you being part of the problem because you are not part of the solution.

TR

Regardless of any of that, EMT is an idiot that I wouldn't trust with a band-aid.

I don't need to do that, Rose. And you know it.

I have provided proof. Whereas the birthers have NONE.

its just another discredit trick, CT. No proof “Felons put Franken Over the Top.”

Once again, Van Douchebag has no credibility.

What a bunch of idiots you Liberal trolls always show yourselves to be. Just like your hero Odrama Queen. Sad to be you.

Good NEWS for Mr. EMT. He doesn't look the kind to suffer Dim Trolls gladly.

Hopefully, you will get some SEIU Techs on your case, instead. The ones who are on the job for the UNION benefits. hehehehehe

You didn't have the Computer Tech skills to run a mouse over it and watch it read out HMTL IMAGE???

Surprise surprise surprise! And all that blank space at the top of the paper didn't shout “COMPUTER PRINT-OUT” atcha, neither.

Cute!

You think we have to take YOUR word for it? I've seen the documentaries that show how the one that is out there was FORGED!

Tell us, please – just what does the race “AFRICAN” look like?

Is there a “North American” race, too? An “Australian” race?

McCain's was PUBLICLY VETTED!
And Odrama Queen's was NOT!

Odrama Queen's was DEEMED – not CONFIRMED!!!

McCain's BC and circumstances being VETTED does NOT give CREDIBILITY to Odrama Queen!

You would never make it in Science or Math, De-Vega.

No. It NEVER was! And all you Dims sayin' so don't validate it – just like you couldn't validate Global Warmin'. Just because you all “agreed”.

It was never even SHOWN!

BLAST! Keep hitting the wrong button! Don't take that the wrong way D-vega. You keep posting Stupid. Period.
the date on the factchecker doesn't prove that Odrama Queen is legitimate – the factcheck material was FAKE!

“African” race!!! LOL!

YES! And I HATE the took the DISLIKE button away, even though I hit that wrong a lot, too. Now I've done it TWICE! Both on Vega!!! in one thread!
LOL!

I really wish they could just take Odrama Queen and go to their own island! Forever!!!

Actually, dumbass, he's spent $$millions now HIDING it in various courts across the nation -so it's gonna take a lot more than YOUR ok on a html imaged IMITATION some staffers put up, that Odrama Queen distanced himself from.

You were called. You showed ZIP!

You can't change it to suit you, like a kid cheatin' at Monopoly.
We know it's The Dim Way – but you got no credibility. ZIP! NADA! ZILCH!

How you flip flop! And you ain't got an original BC on Odrama Queen.

If he had it, he would have shown it by NOW! $MILLIONS in court fees to BLOCK it!
He's got nothin' to show. Nothin' he can AFFORD to show.

No, I got a copy of mine from my state when my original went missing – it was identical to the original.

Don't look like the girl bothered to fill them in on anything. Didn't even give them the correct address or correct father's race. Nothing on that form asked the nationality of the father.

Mine did.

You are talking to American Citizens. Who do you think you are fooling. You think we don't know a Birth Certificate when we see one? You think we've never shown our documents – or that none of us have ever been in charge of checking documentation, before?

You Dims are so used to voting CEMETARIES you think all you have to do is show up to a clerk that is a fellow clansman and or “lodge-brother” and just “SAY SO” and it's done!

Stuff it. If Caps is all that it takes to stop you, you ain't got anything.

Fact: Odrama Queen has NOT shown his BC

FACT: Odrama Queen spends $$Millions in legal fees keeping his records SEALED from the General Public

FACT: He doesn't have any credibility.

FACT: Dim Trolls cannot give him credibility by claiming his fakes are good for them, and he doesn't have to show them anyway because the Dim Trolls said so, there!

You are the one without! And so are the Dims, because Dims love Felons' unconstitutional votes. No credibility. No legitimate authority.

Not so! You have failed miserably. “African” race! SO LOL!

Give us a link to a picture of a person of the African Race.

Your insults are high praise indeed.

As Thomas Jefferson said:
“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'”

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” – Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1812. ME 13:162

You cannot find any. Like a dry well and a stranger searches it for water not seen there for 50 years and more.
There is no credibility in wrapping oneself around Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin and the political fruit of that tree.

Wrap yourself tight enough around THAT Death and it doesn't matter what else you may have.

And the culling is almost finished.

That's you opinion and you're intitled to it, but it's just that an OPINION. just like fiza's, EMT's or anyone elses.

*Sigh*

Another thread descended into the Purgatory of birtherism.

“Can't we all just get along?”
/channeling Rodney King

“Please, stop birtherism for the sake of the children.”
/channeling a soccer moomy

“The energy wasted on birther arguments is killing the polar bears.”
/channeling a warmist

“Birthers cause arguments, which cause murders and crime.”
/channeling a gun grabber

“Common sense” doesn't amount to proof of “Felons Put Franke Over the Top”, TR.

That election was real close. And Coleman lost but he deserved to lose.

If someone is right and is not acting like a jerk, than that means I can “like” it if I want to.

“M@rtha” “went after” me because I criticized it harshly time and time again. I would do that same with anyone here, liberal or conservative.

RBC was correct in his/her assessment, it doesn't mean I am endorsing him/her on every issue or them as person.

And given the amount of drecks on this site, including Van Douchebag itself, who are rarely if ever taken to task over thier lies and general assholeness, I don't feel this community has a leg to stand on when it comes to comment “like” morality.

Irrevelant, Rose. Was Obama born in the U.S. or elsewhere?

Case closed.

Translation: He is hiding something and, luckly for him, the state of Hawaii has a unique loophole that lets all this appear to pass constitutional muster.

Need evidence he is hiding things? Where are all his past school, law, and health records? He is, without a doubt, the most poorly vetted president EVER.

We'll never know until we have at least 18 rounds of hand recounts done only by Colemans buddies. Oh and he gets to use all those ballots he found in his trunk.

And any that don't appear to be marked in anyway will be deemed a Coleman supporter.

It's the only fair way.

“”Common sense” doesn't amount to proof of “Felons Put Franke Over the Top”, TR. “

If only liberals applied this same standard of proof and skepticism to their 911 theories, global warming, Obamas campaign promises, their economic theories . . . etc.

As well as birthers, undercover muslims, race war fear, truthers (they are not limited to liberals), obama going to take your guns, obama is a marxist, Obama is a lizard, the amero, the north american union, etc.

That's up to the MN AG, who ratified the election.

I know its a little embarassing to lose to Al Franken, but that's the way elections work. Deal with it.

“birthers” have legitimate concerns based on a lack of evidence provided by the one. Many go over the edge but the basic question is valid. For instance, if I had to show my birth certificate to get a job and instead I just said “its cool, I have one now stop asking you racist” I would likely not get that job.

“undercover muslims” true. His religious beliefs are unknown to anyone but himself. Frankly I'd be surprised if he could worship anything but himself.

“race war fear” Let's leave jesse jackson out of this ok?

“truthers (they are not limited to liberals)” Granted, hardcore conservatives like Charlie Sheen and Rosie Odonnel have also voiced their concerns over the official 911 story.

“obama going to take your guns” Worrying that a politician will act in a manner in accordance to his general beliefs isn't exactly something to scoff at. I also worry he may raise taxes and add to the debt. No doubt that puts me in the same category as a holocaust denier.

“obama is a marxist” Nonsense, marxists tend to have a coherent plan. He has the same general idea but he hasn't thought any of it through.

“Obama is a lizard” That would make me feel better about the human race to know that people like him aren't a member of it. But unfortunately he's one of us. That blame lies squarely on the shoulders of H. sapiens.

“the amero” A North American currency is as absurd and far fetched as a european currency was at one point. Democrats are doing their best to see that the US is annexed by Mexico. So maybe it'll simply be the peso.

“north american union” it would be insane to think that 3 countries that have occasionally been at war with each other (over a hundred years ago) could ever put aside their differences and form some sort of collective economy.

That would be like expecting France and Germany to put aside their differences and form a similar entity. Read my lips: that will never happen!

You supported the healthcare bill, which places my personal health insurance decisions in the hands of the U.S. Government. I currently have a very affordable, high deductible, individual policy, which will be banned starting in 2012. I will be forced to join the government plan at an exponentially higher cost, with benefits that a bureaucrat determines that I need.

So yeah, personal decisions.

Three quarters of the Federal budget goes to some form of welfare (and despite the Liberal lie, there are no oil subsidies, taking less of someone's money is not a subsidy.) Only 3.6% of the stimulus went to highway construction. The vast majority of that went to welfare as well. Taking someone else's money for your own benefit, whether politically or materially, is theft. When a government does it, it's tyranny.

So yeah, you disgust me. I don't hate you though.

Like I said, all of them are absurd and have no basis in reality.

You will still be able to buy any insurance policy you want, Bildo. You will not have to buy any gov't subsidied plan.

The vast majority of the stimulus DID NOT go to welfare, but to working families who pay their taxes and got something BACK from the fed.

“A COLB is not a BC”

That is a LIE.

You are on the island. It's called North America.

I think it's a fact at this point.

“Unique loophole” as in providing his birth certificate.

Deal with it.

The U.S. federal government collected $20.6 billion in taxes on alcohol, tobacco, firearms and ammunition in fiscal year 2009, up 41 percent from the previous fiscal year, according to the annual report of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-5013262…

Taxes being raised… that democrats claim are not being raised.

You THINK, which makes it impicitly an OPINION more because DV says so nonsense.

I was talking about the general voting trend of felons, not specificly this case, Vega. It's laughable to even consider that criminals would vote for the Republicans. (garden variety street criminals, not the white collar inside trader types before anyone points it out)
There is a reason that it's the Dems that want to give felons back their franchise. it would give them yet another mololithic voting victim clas to call their own.

TR

Umm…the guy you gave a “like” to and at the same time handed him some bit of credibility is Groundhog, the same guy who has been through more user names than anyone here with the exception of Martha. being a troll and sock puppet is very much “acting like a jerk”.

You can spin it like you will, Vega. You are part of the troll problem because you refuse to condemn them because of ideological kinship. You even once told me that you would not condemn other leftists because you guys are a minority on this site. That's just twisted. That is kind of like the poor urban blacks who support the “stop snitching” movement out solidarity with black criminals and in opposition to the police tha they see as a common enemy. It's stupid and self destructive as well as being imoral.

TR

Nope, pointless at this juncture for you to even try.
Face it, when it comes to credibility you have none.

You were challenged to prove your claim that obamao had submitted his original BC.
You claimed to William Teach that he had, you claimed to me that he had that I was stupid to think he had not.
You do not even know the difference between a fake COLB and a BC.

Hell no one even tried putting a signature on the fake document you claim is real and legit.

You claim obamao submitted it, contrary to what your “proof” states, which is that: A staffer armed with the authority and power of factcheck went into Hawaii's department of health, ordered the release of obamao's private and confidential records, handled it, photographed the “original” and here's is the picture of the original birth certificate TA DA!
Just dont look at it because it has:
No stamped state seal, just photocopied
No signature from doctor or any type of official
No listing of hospital
Not typed by typewriter, it is a digital forgery which invalidates the document which “Can not be altered in anyway”
Has “Certificate of Live Birth” on the top margin.
and most important
IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

However, your defense is that you are too stupid to know the difference between a BC and COLB and you are ignorant enough to think the two are the same if both were genuine and valid.
I would like to believe you are stupid enough to believe what you claim, however I do not believe there is such a single celled creature in existence that is as stupid as you claim to be.

Where is the proof of your assertions, EMT?

And we the $%^ is my iced coffee?

Typical arguement for libtards hijacking the government:
but that has not been proved and there is really no point in finding out since the election results cannot now be changed.

Funny how broad you criminals run with that stance and depend so heavily on anyone claiming to be right leaning to be scared shitless to argue the point out of fear of looking silly.

I had better things to do than point out how inane your “proof” is over and over insessantly.
It is enough that you claimed obamao submitted proof of his original BC
Then when you tried to substantiate your claim you make a joke of yourself and you highlighted your ignorance and had to make retractions that “Oh not his original BC, like I claimed, and no he didnt submit it, but a staffer from an online blog obtained it from the Health Department which violated obama's privacy, but it's the same thing”

Hey, at least you validated the claim that “we are incapable of providing any proof that would be accepted”

“Was obama certified by the DNC”

Don't plug that into any search engine.
The emperor is naked.

Correct, according to obamaton drones, Obama is not required to actually prove anything and does not have to be certified by DNC as eligible to become president.

And on today's episode, “Reality escapes Fiza again” chapter XXIX vol. XV

On planet earth
Acorn had to file bankruptcy and deconstruct itself to avoid anymore public attention.
Also on planet earth, Acorn is scared shitless of actually getting dragged into court and in order to avoid going to court, declares itself to be bankrupt thus telling the world “All your tax dollars are belong to us!”

Yes they do.
Why aren't you scared of looking silly by refuting them?
Aren't you afraid they may laugh at you and call you racist by disagreeing with them?

I do not disagree with your statement.
I also think half the votes he did recieve were due to an ignorant populace who voted for “Hey its that guy from SNL!”

The original accusation was not made by Van Helsing, it was made by democrats.
Once again, you have no credibility with your opinions that you are incapable of substantiating.

Bildo, why don't you stay out of kitchens too hot for you?
You obviously have no problem with a president being above the law, and breaking the constitution. You do not want to appear silly or look like a “whacko” by expecting the President of the United States of America to adhere to the laws the rest of the country is forced to live under every day.
So don't try to take sides and just stay out of it rather than take an issue with an easy target to “appease and reach across the aisle” so you can try to appear serious to the left.

Caps is not the only thing stopping Bildo.
The idea of left's thinking he is a “whacko” stops him in his tracks.
Imagine what he would do to prove to them he isn't a racist?

If memory serves, you did not really ask for more info so much as claim there was none while challenging anyone to prove you wrong.

People are too afraid of saying the word “hate” like it's a bad word or a naughty feeling.
It is a natural human emotion for something you detest and can not tolerate.
Example, everything Vag personafies, I hate.
Another example: obama's mentor and father figure Jeremiah Write hates white people.

Considering the police subsidize their paychecks off of issuing citations, that isn't strictly true as far a they go.
Nor can you hide behind schools since teachers in some areas are paid way above any balance of scale.
There is an obligation by any member of society to contribute to the government.
However, that obligation ends when you argue that I “have enough” and other people should benefit from what “i have earned” as obama has been quoted as saying.
When you take my tax money and spend it on things that do not benifit the country, you have STOLEN from me.
And paying for johnny the crack pimp's disability and frequent visits to the ER does not help pay for granny's respirator nor does it help our country.
Paying for squirrel bridges and signs saying “This sign was paid for by stimulus money” does not help the country.
Waste, and inflated government wages to federal employees who are paid double and tripple on average what private sector is paid does not help this country grow.

Tell you what Vag, stop riding under high horses, trying to drag people down to your level is not gonna happen with out a fight.
Go get a job and become a productive member of society instead of a freeloading leech.

Yes he can also buy his own insurance when whatever company he works for stops carrying health insurance due to the cost affectiveness of just paying the penalty vs paying the penalty plus covering employees.
However, he will still have a tax increase for everyone elses “free care” while paying for his and his family's insurance, making it stupid and redundant to have added insurance coming out of his pocket.
Meantime doctors and health care professionals will be paid by the government for what the government approves as treatment for the consumer.
Oh, and your taxes will be spent on abortions which will also become a constitutionally protected right, forcing all hospitals to provide the service, all healthcare workers to perform the procedure despite any ethical objections… forcing over 33% of the hospitals to shut down due to religious conflict with “church Vs State”

Boy, this healthcare plan sure is shaping up to be just the thing to “fix” us huh?
Kinda like getting a lobotomy for injuring a toe.

You and others here are more a part of the troll problem than any other liberal poster here, TR.

Not to flame you, but you and Stan especially feed the trolls 100x more than I ever could.

But that's the way comment threads work. The difference is I always consider myself alone here. The only liberal poster I would ever ally myself with is HuckupChuck. Whereas other conservative posters feel they can “gang up” on trolls or others, but what they are really doing is encouraging the “troll” to post more inciteful rhetoric.

Also, if you added up all the “troll” comments on every single thread on this site (with the overabundance of authors, too many in my opinion) it would fail in comparison to the amount of “trolls” this site has had in the past when it was just Mr. Hawkins posting items. That's a fact. Now, there are hardly anymore liberals posters, let alone liberal trolls. And the conservative commenters has been reduced dramatically.

Regardless, no one but ME decides what to “like” or not. I am not going to hesitate because I am concerned with what you or others here think about it.

No one said they did.
That is the point made and why you obamatons do not have a BC or any document that proves/establishes what hospital and doctor delivered obamao. Nor do you have any legal document that would be valid to any government background check.

Funny, you can not get any of these lesser things with a COLB, but according to obamatons you don't need a BC or anything to become president.
“We don't need no stinkin proof” is getting old and not even true.

Nothing changes here. Same, sad, lame, rabidly partisan “reasonable” Leftists still dominate the comments and make it all about them.

Im going to use your line, “I don't have to prove anything since everyone knows it.”
In this case, people here who have enlisted, who have drivers liscence, who have been through background checks have been through this first hand. Not one of them is saying it is not true.

But one example I will prove:
To obtain your social security card:

Citizenship

We can accept only certain documents as proof of U.S. citizenship. These include a U.S. birth certificate, U.S. consular report of birth, U.S. passport, Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship.

Lacking in the list is a “certificate of live birth”
Funny how that is just like WE ALL SAID huh?

Since you are claiming stupidy about what the difference between COLB is Vs what a BC is, lets revue the difference:

What the COLB is lacking to make it a valid COLB:
1. No attending physician signature or license number
2. No address for the attending physician or hospital
3. No parent signature
4. No parent DOB or age of parent or parent place of birth.
5. Father’s race would not be “African”, that is country of origin. Race would be black or Negro (1960’s)
6. Was this a single birth or multiple birth.
7. No Registrars name or signature

If you do not know what a Birth Certificate looks like, you will say something stupid such as “They are the same thing”

Gee, something missing from it making it a BC…
Oh yeah. actually being titled as a “Birth Certificate” along with a state seal, a doctor's signature, the correct race of the father, the name of the hospital.

Unlike you, i do not make accusations of you that I am guilty of.
That is just being a hypocrite.

Instead i do not say it is fake because “i cant face reality”
I say it is fake because in reality I have had to go through background checks requiring my birth certificate on many different occasions, recently which include my present job which does not accept a certificate of live birth…. not that I think Texas even issues such a thing…
They may but whats the point of getting it when it does not carry the weight of a BC unless I am an unprofessional HACK trying to hide something from a background check?

The link takes me to a COLB, not a birth certificate.
However we have already established the fact you are ignorant of the difference.
The link taking me to a COLB that factcheck claims as you are, that the image is of his “original and true birth certificate” is an obvious fake of a COLB that does not possess the necessary information making it a COLB that any state would allow for any sort of background verification.

Law states as long as I am traveling I can carry concealed with out a license. Would you like for me to rub your face in the Texas Law code again after you were so gracious to give me the link to it? Also notice how no one here who lives in Texas has said I am wrong?

You are in no position to have a choice on whether to trust me or not.
And your logic here shows you are not capable of ever being trusted with any authority to make decisions on someone's character based on their qualifications since your argument is totally based on “He doesn't have to prove anything”

I don't think it's laughable at all, TR. It would depend on the individual circumstances of that person.

You don't know anything about these guys except that there are felons, white or blue collar.

You also don't know where they were in the process. Maybe they were charged and then convicted AFTER the election. Or the names just match up, with another “Trench Raider” who is a felon.

Lastly, the individual municipalities have yet to even confirm these findings. So bottom line, unless you prove how the votes were broken down, you can't say “Felons Put Franken Over the Top”. It's factually incorrect.

BTW, if you ask me, felons SHOULD BE allowed to vote. Once you have paid your debt to society and are free of the system, you should be allowed to vote as a citizen of this country.

True enough, you would not willingly trust me to do my job.
I'm so heart broken some idiot who possesses no logic and reasoning skills thinks little of me, i may sniffle.

Given your erroneous postions, and refusal to provide proof, you have no credibility to talk about being scared shitless to argue the point, Birther.

No, that was the McCain & Palin voters.

Im sure your iced coffe is in the same location as the rest of your manhood, Vag, no doubt out of reach and beyond your capability to obtain.

Bildo has more credibility, brains, and sense of reality than you ever could, sparky.

You have no idea of what you speak of, child.

I know one day you want to grow up and become an EMT. But do us a favor, aspire for something more appropriate for you. Like a ditch-digger.

Abortions are already a Constitutional right, son.

And you already pay for the poor's healthcare, plus extra taxes.

Again, you speak out of ignorance, rather than an actual assessment of the situation.

I still await proof of your absurd BIRTHER assertions. Don't try to change the subject now.

And where do you find the right to an abortion in the COTUS, Vega?

It's not a fake. Stop lying.

That is YOUR criteria, MORON.

COLB and a BC are the same thing in Hawaii. Get your facts straight.

We told you then the only thing he had released publically was an obvious FAKE COLB which is not valid for any validation of your citizenship due to the fact Hawaii issues them to non-citizens.

You are a liar and an idiot.

So, you don't have any proof. Just like a typical conspriracy theorist.

Obama was more publicly vetted than any President in the modern era, Rose. Get over it.

Yeah? Let me know when you prove a single claim you make?
So far I have backed up a ton of crap I have said, not one single time have you disproved what I have said.
You on the other hand recently tried to prove obamao had submitted his original birth certificate. And failed miserably.
That has been the only attempt I have ever seen you try to back up your claim with anything other than talking points from your obamaton “thought list” of the day.

A COLB and BC are the same exact thing in Hawaii. I don't know how many different ways I can say that.

So you ran like a little bitch than prove any of the assertions you keep making over and over again? Gotcha

BTW, if you ask me, felons SHOULD BE allowed to vote.

Yes we already knew that you wanted criminals to be able to vote.
Who else would support your treasonous policies other than people who have a convicted proven history of victimizing the citizens of this nation already?

Obama was certified. It's amazing how utterly deluded someone can be in order to delegitimize a President.

Does he instill that much fear and loathing in you that you can't deal so you invent these imaginary worlds with made-up criteria for the Presidency?

Thank God you morons hang around to keep the base fired up huh?
Testing your nonlogical arguements against people capable of thought and reason is always an educational experience everyone should thank you for.
If we did not have a village idiot such as you and your komrades around, no one would have an example of how not to behave.

Right because oprah and “the view” watchers were totally in the bag for Mccain and palin right moron?

Now this is the funniest thing I have read in months. Vega complaining that someone ran away from an argument? What irony!

If I were bildo and saw that praise coming from you, I would take a serious look in the mirror and reach down to see if I still possess a set.
However, he may be flattered by you?

I have done my share of digging ditches to avoid being a freeloading jackoff like you.
Enjoy the comfort of living in mommies basement while it lasts.

Oh sure it is, little girl. Its the constitutional right that is placed between the 57th and 59th amendments.
The right to abortion shall not be infringed and will be paid for by tax money.

Tell me you didnt seriously ask him for proof?
Didn't you see where that went when I asked him to prove obama submitted his BC?
Now I get to read him foaming and rhanting about a blogger sending a staffer that was able to get proof when no one else has been able to.

Wow, you think I make the qualifiers for a COLB,.
I am flattered.
But no I had nothing to do with what makes the criteria for a COLB.

The easiest way to get braindead Liberals like Vega and Fiza and PeteMoss to shut up and run away is to ask them for proof of their idiotic statements.

That is why Vega's statement about you running away from a debate is so ironic. He has done that on this site for years.

It is fake, stop lying

Nope, pointless at this juncture for you to even try. Face it, when it comes to credibility you have none.

You do know that you are a birther, right? The wackos of the right-wing fringe? Those who can't accept Obama as President? Just checking.

You were challenged to prove your claim that obamao had submitted his original BC.

I never made that claim, junior. I said he submitted a birth certificate. Which is what he did. The state of Hawaii confirmed the ORIGINAL BC is on file with them, just like everyone else who is an American.

You claimed to William Teach that he had, you claimed to me that he had that I was stupid to think he had not.

Never did that. Stop making shit up. Obama doesn't have his original BC, just like I don't. I have a state copy, just like Obama submitted.

You do not even know the difference between a fake COLB and a BC.

There is no difference in the state of Hawaii. There is the ORIGINAL birth certificate, and there's a STATE COPY.

Hell no one even tried putting a signature on the fake document you claim is real and legit.

The Registrar's signature is right on the document, you ignorant slut:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce…

You claim obamao submitted it, contrary to what your “proof” states, which is that: A staffer armed with the authority and power of factcheck went into Hawaii's department of health, ordered the release of obamao's private and confidential records, handled it, photographed the “original” and here's is the picture of the original birth certificate TA DA!

No, idiot. Factchecker examined the state copy, in Chicago. NO ONE but Hawaii state officials has access to the original.

No stamped state seal, just photocopied

There is a stamped seal, dipshit:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce…

No signature from doctor or any type of official

Registrar's confirmation and signature, jackhole:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce…

No listing of hospital

Hospital is not required for a birth certificate. That is the piece of paper they give you at the hospital right after your child is born. Even THAT is not a birth certificate.

Not typed by typewriter, it is a digital forgery which invalidates the document which “Can not be altered in anyway”

It's not a digital forgery because it has the state of Hawaii seal embossed on it. It's typed, not a photocopy or digital print-out.

Has “Certificate of Live Birth” on the top margin.

Because that's what it is.

and most important IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Since in Hawaii a Birth Certificate and Certificate of Live Birth is same thing, you look like a total fucking idiot.

One of the craziest arguments that birthers make is that this is not President Obama’s “real birth certificate” because it says “certification of live birth” on it instead of “birth certificate.” This is just a different title for the same thing. By this line of logic nobody in Hawaii has a “real birth certificate” because they use the title “certification of live birth.” This is not unique to Hawaii, by the way. Many states use other names for birth certificate documents besides “birth certificate.” For example some states use the phrase “certificate of live birth.”

However, your defense is that you are too stupid to know the difference between a BC and COLB and you are ignorant enough to think the two are the same if both were genuine and valid.

LOL. Your ignorance persists.

I would like to believe you are stupid enough to believe what you claim, however I do not believe there is such a single celled creature in existence that is as stupid as you claim to be.

Dude, even an amoeba or a paramecium know that Obama is a natural born citizen.

Testing your nonlogical arguements against people capable of thought and reason

How would you know?

You haven't proven jack and only succeeded in simply denying anything I presented. Just like a birther would.

Prove it, liar. Prove that it's a fake with facts, not horseshit.

There's no doubt in my mind that Franken stole the election just like Gregoire did before him in Washington (same guy helping Democrats with the recount in both instances, by the way). This is just one more piece of evidence in that favor.

COLB and Birth Certificate are the same thing.

I can respect those who don't like me or are on the other side of the political spectrum from me. I've known Bildo for years.

He's certainly not an idiot birther, so already he's light years beyond you.

I know you have. Someone probably took pity on you and allowed you to over-reach and be a ditch-digger. Once they taught you what end of the shovel to use, of course.

Since then, you've just kept on shoveling.

I am a college-educated professional dimbulb. Who has also had my share of labor-intensive jobs. It doesn't mean I am better than you. The fact that I can face reality makes me better than you.

Right to privacy, Stanley.

I don't run away, Stan. I don't how much I can whup your ass in a day and yet “I” am the run who's running? Please.

Nothing there about abortion or it being a right, Vega.

Care to try again, or are you sticking with this lie?

Right, Vega. Whatever you want to think.

Once you have faced the consequences of your actions and paid your debt to society, yes.

You are not a criminal anymore, idiot.

Considered yourself owned, EMT. I'll sell you back to Stan later for a carton of cigs.

yeah, Stan. You taking the birther position, too? No? Why? Oh, because it's horseshit? Gotcha.

I have already posted my reasons, Vega. I'd ask you to stick to the facts, but that goes against your DNA.

Wolf, EMT continues to rant about the BC issue, with no additional proof that hasn't been demolished two years ago.

That means he is an idiot. That's a proof, not an opinion.

BC = COLB

The original accusation of felon voter fraud was made by Democrats?

How easy it must be to such an idiot.

Right, you are agnostic. Not ballsy enough to be full birther (like your girlfriend Kingfisher) and not ballsy enough to face the facts and chastise your ignorant colleague.

Good job, Stan. You are the RWN equivalent of Switzerland.

You can blow me, Vega. I'm still waiting on you to man up and admit that your mythical “right to abortion” is not in the COTUS and that you lied about it!

I keep posting a reply as to where my manhood is currently located, but it keeps being deleted, so I'll leave it up to you to imagine.

Once again, my response to this keep getting deleted, so…

Stan, start a new string, if you want to get into the RIGHT TO AN ABORTION. This one is dead.

Works fine for me, Vega. Stop being a pussy and answer the question, or admit you lied!

Seems to me the Republican AG in MN not only certified the election, but found no proof of fraud, CT.

I couldn't say for sure either way, but I do know there's no tangible proof.

Not my fauly your ilk can't get over the fact that Obama is President, Major. Maybe you should assist in controlling those of you who are simple-minded so we can stick to the topic and not have such a back and forth. But you won't do that, will you?

Abortion is a private medical procedure, Stan. And as such protected under the right to privacy in the U.S. Constitution.

The only way you could ban it is to amend the Constitution to state such.

So yes, it is a protected right.

Yes, because you are such a paragon of virtue and decorum that you take PeteMoss and Whats_up and Fiza to task all the time for their simple-minded stupidity.

You are a joke, Vega!

And if you want to be a weakling and not take a real stand on the birther issue, than say so. Stop being a lurker, looking for a fight, but not man enough to take a real stand.

Abortion is not mentioned in the COTUS, Vega, therefore it is not a Constitutional right. It is a Supreme Court mandate, one that can be repealed and removed TOMORROW.

Euthenasia is a “private medical procedure” Vega. Is THAT a Constitutional right as well?

I took a real stand against it, you prick. EMT and I had a long and drawn out fight over it. But you are too fucking stupid to see or realize that.

No, he was not VETTED! You are ignorant of the definition. It means he presented all his records and let Authorities – in this case, the American Citizens with a legal right and Registration to Vote – go over them to their hearts' content and ask any questions, and get a civilized response.
Nobody was elected with FEWER FACTS KNOWN.

Did you know that he was on the board of the Joyce Foundation 20 yrs ago, alongside the brother of William Ayers, John, and diverted Joyce Funds to his creation of The Chicago Climate Exchange, which then created the Shore Bank of Chicago, which is now petitioning for Tarp or Stimulus Funds BAILOUT – that the Shore Bank had co-founders Bill Clinton and also Hillary's college Roommate – and that Algore is a stockholder, that the Shore Bank created the Energy Efficiency Bank and Energy Efficiency Fund and has the involvment of people like Fannie Mae's Franklin Raines, Van Jones, Maurice Strong who created the Kyoto Treaty, and Joel Rogers, and Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, G.E. and other close associates of Odrama Queen?
That is is ONE REASON that Odrama Queen is hysterical about getting Cap and Trade passed?

No! You did not!
And all Odrama Queen's records are sealed. Amazing someone got his Social Security Number. Can you explain how he has a Connecticut Social Security number?
Searching for the right state, what pops up most now is that many people think they have found that he has more than one Social Security number? Because that is what pops up on a search for his address is too many for the household. A phenomenon common among illegal alien invaders?

How many current islamic terrorists and their leaders did Odrama attend an Indonesian Madrassa with – why did those in the Madrassa believe he was NOT an American citizen???

Just because people have asked a lot of questions, THAT is not a VETTING! He has not ANSWERED the questions – Truthful answers to the questions is a VETTING.

He has not been vetted.

When it regards FELONIES in the White House, the major Defender of the Constitution, I am not going to let it go, or “get over it”.
I am persistent, and tenacious, and an enemy of Crime and Treason.
I am a Defender and Supporter of the Constitution of the USA – the RATIFIED WILL OF AMERICA.
And for those causes, I will not relent for some Third Worlder Designing INVADER with Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin with Insurgent Designs against our Constitutional form of Government By WE the PEOPLE and intentions of totally collapsing this nation into the poverty of a crushed and destitute starving peoples.

I will hammer way while there is breath in me.
Because your Marxist philosophy is straight from Hell, and so is that of Odrama Queen and all his cohorts.

No it ain't. All that has been meticulously spoken to by experts. It don't fly.
IF IT WAS, and HE RELEASED IT to a computer site, then why is he FORBIDDING RELEASE from Hawaii Officials to Historians and ARCHIVAL non-fiction researchers and authors?

We know from all he said in his own biographies written by Bill Ayers, that it certainly isn't being sealed to protect his parents.

You know for a FACT that a COLB is NOT a BC.
What purpose can you imagine you serve with these lies of yours? It ain't like you think you are talking to ignorant tribal people who have never seen civilizations' documentation process. Maybe you do this for ACORN or SEIU $$$ and thus don't care what you say, just babbling like little kids “Why is the sky blue?Why is the sky blue?Why is the sky blue?Why is the sky blue?Why is the sky blue?Why is the sky blue?…etc etc etc ad nauseum.”

I am going to prove you are wrong.
How? Easy
I know this blogger who has a staff member who is going to hire a homeless guy and deputize the hobo to go to hawaii and overthrow the government and law and break open the records and get obamao's birth certificate… the real original one that you failed to proove even with your blogger's staffer going into the DEpartment of Health records and violating privacy law to do.
Then the hobo is going to take a picture of it for you to see…
Then my blogger's staffer's hobo will have proven that I am on equal footing as you who only used a blogger's staffer, but did not have a hobo as I will use.
My claim will have more merit due to the fact I added a homeless person who is depandant upon welfare from obamao's policies.

/fantasy

You call me foaming? LMAO

They are NOT a CONSTITUTIONAL Right. That was not granted through DUE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS, there is no AMENDMENT to cover it. Roe V Wade is a court ruling that said no one can examine a woman's medical records. PERIOD.
That is different than forcing Medical Personnel who have religious and other objections to genocide to perform murder on a baby with hospital trappings, as part of a uniform medical Government code.
An Action T4 progromme.
I don't think you will lose 1/3 of the current medical care – I think it will be closer to 50-75% of the current Medical community will leave the profession. Not just over the forced abortions and forced dispensation of dangerous abortifactants to children and women not strong enough to survive the applications.
The Medical doctors and nurses and other all know the truth about Dim Government lies about these procedures that equals their lies about Global Warming.

Medical will look like the Gulf of Mexico, under Obamacare.

And they won't thank his insipid and vicious supporters for the destruction.

Yeah, you totally owned me.
Fake COLB that a staffer obtained and everything.

Hey if it is so easy to prove tell me something numbnuts, how come there is this little case on the third circuit right now to find out if obamao is even a citizen?
How come is it that the Department of Health has stated that they refuse ALL requests for obamao's birth certificate, but your blogger's staffer managed to get one anyway?

Seriously though, don't bother answering.
Your convoluted logic is too inane to really take serious.

NOT in the Constitution, Vega

Yer ignernce is so glaring, and poor kid, it staggers yer imagination, too. You cannot earn a degree to accomplish anything and that is why you attached to a Marxist teet. So that you surround yourself at your self esteem meetings with other losers who want a Marxist dictatorship to get even with with Those Who Do for doing what you never can.
You are pathetic in that, Vega. Insipidly disgusting.

Im sorry, did you really expect ANYONE with a brain to believe factcheck's claim that a staffer of theirs successfully violated a person's privacy, broke laws, and managed to get obamao's COLB?
Do I REALLY have to prove that claim is anything other than an obvious LIE?

Because If I have to prove that to you, then you are brain dead.

If i do not have to prove that is a lie… then your “factcheck” website is already flawed and proven liars.

That is an obvious point.
Second, do I honestly have to prove to you that a COLB is not a birth certificate, and they are two seperate documents and that a Birth Certificate carries more weight than a COLB?

If I do then again, you are brain dead and you are not worth my time.

The law of the land says different and for good reason.

The name for your affliction, Vega, is Malignant Narcissist. You cannot do it, so you try to destroy it. And you are so heavily afflicted by it, you cannot even effectively destroy, anymore, either.

There is some irony in your statement.
I will leave it up to you to figure out what everyone else already knows.

Pay no attention to him.
He was taught how to fight wrong, as a joke and thinks loosing is winning.

True story.
But does not want someone like Vag perceiving him to be a whacko so doesn't wan to argue about it and wants to concentrate on other more important issues.

Yup, I totally made up the United States Constitution.
It only exists in my reality, not yours

Yeah and what a high bar he sets himself to get THEIR approval, since they spent yesterday and the day before JUSTIFYING the stomping of an old Balck man in a wheelchair because he was selling anti-Odrama Queen tid-bits, like American Flags on the sidewalk.

I have a hard time “feelin” the scorn of SCUM-fer-Brains Marxists. Or the NEED for “validation” from their likes. The approval I want is that of the Founding Fathers of the Original Boston Tea Party, or those at Lexington on Concord, or those who hanged Nicolae Ceausescu after they dragged him from his communist palace, while he continued shouting for them to OBEY him.

When he has YOUR respect, he should take Thomas Jefferson's advice and fall on his knees in repentance:

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson

If you RESPECT those that do not agree with you, why is it your life goal to see the Constitution replaced with a Marxist Dictatorship?

THAT is no way to treat people you CLAIM to RESPECT!

If it is, that is NOT “RESPECT” that I want given to me!

To Bildo –

Thomas Paine: But if you say, you can still pass the violations over, then I ask, hath your house been burnt? Hath your property been destroyed before your face? Are your wife and children destitute of a bed to lie on, or bread to live on? Have you lost a parent or a child by their hands, and yourself the ruined and wretched survivor? If you have not, then you are not a judge of those who have. But if you have, and can still shake hands with the murderers, then you are unworthy of the name of husband, father, friend, or lover, and whatever may be your rank or title in life, you have the heart of a coward and the spirit of a sycophant.

Don't you wish!

Oh, nobody told you – “believing it hard enough will make it come true” is from DISNEY – doesn't work for Marxists.

Believing that God Almighty Jehovah will do exactly what He said He will do – THAT is FAITH. “That kind of faith” in Satan and Karl Marx is not Faith that works.
It is just faith that gets you to Hell for an eternity.

It won't make your fairytale dreams come true.

YES, because they didn't want FRANKEN for their DEMOCRAT Senator. Just read the NEWS!

Just like the original charges of vote fraud against Odrama Queen came from Hillary Primary supporters who were abused at the Dim Primaries.

You do not know that.

Acorn hasn't been exonerated anywhere. They've been convicted a lot of times, never exonerated.

Prolly linked to his paycheck from ACORN, too!

Those two kids were exonerated.

Case wide open. You are not the Arbitrator with power to close this Felony.

You hang it on an IMITATION created by HTML that lists his fathers RACE as AFRICAN!

Give us a link to something that can show us what the AFRICAN RACE looks like, Vega. Prove up your imitation validation!

Show it to us. And not the HTML Imitation, Show us the real Deal!

DEEMING isn't Constitutional. It is FRAUD.
Fraud, Forgery, impersonating a Citizen for nefarious purposes…Fraudulent marriage by misrepresentation of himself to Michelle as a Real Citizen, making her Daughters ILLEGITIMATE…
Conspiracy with the DNC and various Government Bureaucrats WHO PEEKED and got moved and PROMOTED for their silence – Conspiracy to Commit Fraud…

tacky tacky tacky… Like if you wore penny loafers or saddle oxfords with your new tight shiny pink satin pants that button up the back.

Aw, you caught him working or sleeping! You caught him not playing with you for a little while.
Pouting like a little chihuahua puppie, aren't you!

What color is your smoke today, Pink Clouds enveloping you?
LOL! I heard drugs could give people really wild fantasies, but WOW!

If it is horse#$%@# then why doesn't Odrama Queen have it on display, like all other Presidents do.
Why did he spend more hiding it in court and legal fees than it would take to build a museum library to house it and proudly display it to the General Public.
Since he is so flamboyant, normally – he could enshrine it between those Grecian Arches from the Dim Convention!

Do you condemn fiza's constant threadjacking?

“fuck Sarah Palin and her kids”

And you are the DNC equivalent of Siberian USSR gulags.

So you don't actually have a QUOTE of such a Right to Privacy, do you. That would make right to murder a baby in a hospital setting different than murdering anyone else in the privacy of your own living room.
No proof, do you.

Just the names of Rogue “Jurists” who violated all the rules of evidence and the Constitution to support the Marxist Agenda created by Joseph Stalin's staff with you and your utter destruction in mind.

Then hie thee to a forum more to your liking.

Or is there no MONEY from the DNC coffers for harrassing Conservatives in THAT!

And what a privilege to get such a Mark of Note! Indeed!

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson

Nobody is keeping you here, and I remember an endless amount of invitations to you to leave. Not saying a few here do not enjoy you staying around so they have something to rag on…
But if it so displeases you….

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson

You begging EMT to tell you how to be capable of thought and reason?
CUTE! hehehehehehe

HAhAhAhahA Vega I call bullshit on that one. You guys were so in love with all of the hopey changey bullshit. He was able to pee on your leg and tell you that it was raining and you guys believed him.

Liar. Bald Liar.

Whatever kind of candidate Coleman was or was not, the Dim hi-jinx in THAT vote “COUNT” received world wide SCORN!

You know Franken has the credibility of a Saddam Hussein or Hugo Chavez vote, and you know it.

No. It will be answered.
This life or the Next. And prolly BOTH!

Obama brags about his Marxism, why don't you? He considers anything else to be looking like a SELL-OUT!

OBAMA: To avoid being mistaken for such a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students; the foreign students; the Chicanos; the Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

In your bizarro world.

In the Real World, you still have no credibility to lend to the Fraud-in-Chief.

Pointless, but no thanks anyway. UGH!

Constitutional ban on anti-American criminals voting in America or having any rights in America. Not yours to give.

You are a CONVICTED CRIMINAL the rest of your life, once CONVICTED. They individually have the capacity under the Constitution to EARN IT BACK. But that takes WALKING THE WALK.

THAT is as it should be, considering the RECIDIVISM rate of criminals.
the Founders were ahead of you.

Shame on you for wanting criminals to vote.
If that is the kind of nation you want, take it to some Island Penal colony. Looks like that would suit you perfectly.

Look what Odrama Queen had to do to get creds with you:

OBAMA: To avoid being mistaken for such a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students; the foreign students; the Chicanos; the Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

Prove he was ANTI-AMERICAN!
What a goal to strive for. ooooooo

Hey GLUE! You ain't got squat in your corner. Odrama Queen braying fluent Marxism in your background as his little Anti-American wrecking ball swings broader and broader.

And meanwhile, his court bill just keeps climbing. Instead of his Museum Library construction. Can't collect entrance fees til it is built and opened. And while he is paying legal fees to SEAL the Documents, there isn't anything to construct one for.

Dust in a dry well. Some haul D-Vega. All see you no gottie por nada.

Consider yourself living in an air castle off the coast of Uranus, D-Vega. That has more validity than anything coming from your facial orifices.

Not our fault the Nasty Stench of Odrama Queen envelopes the globe.
THAT is a halo about the neck of the DIMS.

You get a rotten GOP candidate to hand you the election and the best you can do with it is Odrama Queen??????

That has EUROPE booing him off the stage!!!

EUROPE wants The Cowboy BACK! How pathetic is THAT!

What you linked to is horsefeathers. What does it take to prove it is horsefeathers.

Your credibility is in the mega NEGATIVE exponential ratings. You could sooner climb out of a Black Hole Vacuum in outer space that is rapidly sucking in universes, than gain yourself credibility on Odrama Queen's behalf.

Never was. Won't work now.

No, it was just shouted down by mindless Dim Drones like yourself.

OOPS Hit the wrong button again. Vega, you are still NOT “liked”. LOL!
I'll have to stop talking to the kids about their guitar playing, while I'm posting.

That just proves how long people have been demanding that Odrama Queen show his bonafides, and he has been stonewalling.

Wrong again, D-Vega – you are as consistent as Odrama Queen and the Dim Party.

No, they are different. And Odrama Queen hasn't got his bonafides.

NOW, North America is an ISLAND?

I think you are in lala land, prolly under lock and key.

Got a link to a place that can definitively show us what the African RACE is, yet???

So. You are still empty. Still the dry well sputtering dust.

Dry well sputtering. Your man is a Fraud. You ain't through the door.
Thanks for culling yerself.

Nope. Won't work.

So not!

Yes, I have taken both WU and fiza to task. As well as numerous others, including hogground, if that's who Pete Moss is.

Otherwise Moss is new. And you have yet to take anyone of your more ruder colleagues to task and I can name plenty, including Van Douchebag.

I don't really care about threadjacking. Have you condemned Van Douchebag defaming Obama's dead mother and grandfather?

You certainly know, since it involves your chin.

Earning it how Rose? What would they have to do to earn the right to vote back?

Paying their debt and finishing parole means they are FREE men and women, Rose. And deserve all the rights therein.

REPUBLICAN MN AG says different, Rose. Sorry.

“Carries more weight”? According to what standard? Certainly not the Constitution. You = FAIL.

It's over, Rose.

That's a joke, Rose. As in move to Australia.

Once again, Vega LIES!

You and whats_up might as well be sucking each other off for the love-fest you put on.

Don't even try Vega. You are too well know here.

Now either admit your lie about abortion being Constitutional, or just run away again!

You mean like you condemned Letterman making rape jokes about a little girl?

The public knew about his life, where he went to school since he was a kid, what he did in college, everything.

Where is Clinton's BC? Do you know? Do you even care? Of course not.

The obsession with his past derives from the right's failure to understand their failure. Mass hysteria and delusion.

I don't want any Marxist dictatorship, nor is America even slightly headed toward that, Rose. That's your mistake.

You are a special kind of stupid.

Wave your white flag, beatch. You lost before you started.

Public display? Where are all these BCs located, Rose?

Right to privacy is, Stan. I explained that to you already.

The Constitution doesn't list out every procedure between doctor and patient, and yet they are covered under the right to privacy.

I know you won't admit it, but that's why abortion will never be banned.

Really? I am sure you have a link to that one?

Quiet, birther. Nothing you say is to be believed.

aw, are you flirting with me, Rose?

And that is BULLSHIT and you know it. There are plenty of banned medical procedures, you ass.

Abortion is NOT a constitutional right, it is a Supreme Court mandate, and could be overturned TOMORROW!

Any person with an atom of integrety would know and admit this, which is why you won;t and will defend your stupidity.

EMT already confirmed it. I am sorry you are too fucking stupid to read, Vega.

Constitution says natural born, Obama is natural born.

Constitution doesnt say you need the hospital's name, or that you can deny facts in front of your face.

You are not the Arbitrator with power to close this Felony.

No, the Constitution is. And you have no Constitutional argument, as Obama was born in the U.S.

So the case is closed. Anything else is fiction. A dime romantic novel.

Please don't share anymore of your fantasies with us, Stan.

Yes, I have taken every liberal poster here to task except for libeliever and huckupchuck.

And yes, abortion is under the privacy rights under the Constitution. Sorry, it's here to stay unless you can get the Constitution amended, which you can't.

Yes, just like that. Because that's what I did.

Did YOU condemn Van Douchebag smearing Obama's dead mother and grandfather? No, you didn't.

What is wrong with you? Are you that stupid or just that much of an atrrogant prick? We don't need a Constitutional amendment to remove abortion any more than we needed one to get it in. It was a case and a decision, ONE DECISION. If Roe V Wade was overturned tomorrow, the question of abortion would go back to the states. And iot would be illegal until that was settled.

I used to think you worked hard at being ignorant. But it is in your DNA.

You didn't condemn SHIT, Vega and you know it. You said AT THE TIME, “you guys do it too”. FGunny, that excuse didn't work when you lost your fucking mind over one story abiout Obama's family.

Please send me your address, as I want to send you a condom. You act like a prick so much, you might as well dress the part.

Like I said, PLEASE stop sharing your fantasies. (now i am a penis?)

And yes, I said Letterman was wrong in what he did. Nice deflection. I guess you gave up on the whole “abortion is not a right” thing.

In order to be over-turned, you would have to prove the previous decision wrong. Which is something even Roberts and Alito are hesitant to do.

The SCOTUS made the decision because they interpreted the Constitution correctly. It's all in the decision.

And individual states could criminalize it if in the very unlikely event it was over-turned, but then it still would not be banned in all the states without an amendment. That's a BAN.

Abortion is NOT a right, Vega.

And stop your lies, as you NEVER said Letterman was wrong. But you did say “Fuck Palin and her children!” So you and Letterman agree with raping little girls.

And you are not a penis, you are a prick. Look that up if you are having trouble with the word. Or just stop sucking crthns for a moment and ask him.

No, all you have to do is convince 5 justices that it is not a federal issue. No amendment, no constitutional convention, NOTHING.

Abortion became legal NOT A RIGHT overnight. It could be overturned the same way.

But please keep insisting that abnortion is a right enshrined in the COTUS, Vega. It will same me the 1 or 2 brain cells it takes to demonstrate what A FUCKING waste of DNA you are!

Try to act like an adult, Stan.

Five justices cannot ban it, Stan. They can only kick it back to the states, of whom a lot would keep it legal. So it would not be banned unless you amended the Constitution. FACT.

Privacy is a right under the Constitution. The SCOTUS based their decision on that, as well as other decisions since. It's not something out of thin air, and that's why you can't just overturn RvW, you must have a LEGAL ARGUMENT to do so.

Yes, abortion is a right under the Constitutional right to privacy.

No, I don't like sex with children. I know you guys love the pedophillic references. Please control yourself.

And yes, I condemned Letterman. Don't deflect from your pussy defense of Van Douchebag's behavior. Its the same thing you did on that thread.

AND, while the homosexual references are not nearly as abhorrent as your pedophillic references, I am not a homosexual. Sorry to disappoint you. You can still fantasize about me, whats up and crtns though. That's your right.

Talking to yourself and still getting nowhere. tsk tsk tsk

No, I wasn't challenging as much as asking what was out there that would make my impressions false. And the response I got was a tad belligerent.

When this issue on Odrama Queen first came up, people posted the known locations of all the Presidents' documents. Some are in their own Presidential Libraries and since his is up and running, it should be there.

Some don't have their own individual libraries, some are stored in particular universities, others are in Washington DC.
But all are accounted for except OBoBo her Queenship, alone.

You've never explained what is so precious about this set of documents, since you all claim he is sooooo over-qualified for this High office, that he is even above the Constitution, for you Dims.

I haven't had anybody yet say they would not answer me because of Caps that had not already shown they didn't have any excuses or reasons or right things to say.

That is your mistake. Odrama Queen and his henchmen have said so and done so for a long time. The Agenda that is now the Dim Platform came straight from Joseph Stalin. The Marxist Planks are short and simple.

You can read.

It is very simple to find where the Founding Fathers found THOSE SAME Marxist Principles to be of Ancient times common to Dictators of all types.

It is easy to find Obama and the Dim Party in the beginning stages of all the Socialist Dictatorships, and at the brink of takeovers, doing precisely what Odrama Queen is NOW doing.
This format does not lend to a full layout of what that means, but you are a big boy, even though you don't like to act like it.

Everyone knows these days, the nation is right straight on the Brink.

I don't credit you with being so stupid you don't know that. And I can tell you, you ain't bright enough to fool anybody about the Dim intentions, either.

There are only two sides, and no middle ground. You are either for the kind of Freedom and Liberty the Founding Fathers gave us the blueprint for, or you are for the kind of Dictatorships that Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Adolph Hitler and Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Mao Tse Tung and others have given us before.
And Obama has made it plain, the ones he admires are the Socialist Dictatorships. And nothing LESS.

You got one of two ways to jump, and you've been consistent the years I've known you.
And it ain't been for the Constitution.

I'm not the first or the only one to put it to you so bluntly, either.

Rose, just shut up you gasbag. You're so full of sh it you make Thedick seem like an adult.

30 Convictions for ACORN so far…

Since more sworn witnesses say Kenya, you want the case closed by DEFAULT, NO DOCUMENTS being in EVIDENCE to the contrary – CASE CLOSED IT IS! Odrama Queen born in Kenya on his grandmother's knee, just like she said.

No Birth Certificate PROVIDED by the Officials or Hospitals of HAWAII!.

Back up on your high horse, li'l bit.

Odrama Queen's name is NOWHERE in the Constitution. The Constitution did NOT declare ODRAMA Queen CERTIFIED or QUALIFIED. You DIMS just SKIPPED THAT PART and CALLED IT “DEEMED”. As if that had CREDIBILITY somewhere on the Planet Earth.

You cannot prove where he was born. You have nothing but a html IMITATION. No Evidence – no Documentation – and no examination of the ADOPTION PAPERS to see what happened after Mr. Soetero came along.

You are dreaming way out of your league, Vega.

You only say that because you know he is too far away to stomp you into the dirt. Looks like the Dims keep you around for cannon fodder, Vega.

Thee is a legal procedure, they have to apply and meet the requirements, which include the necessity of shouldering their own responsibilities, and showing real and honest respect for the community.

That is the way it should stay. That is how it will stay.

Constitution says they lose all rights when convicted and does NOT say they are restored when they leave the penal system. It says when they in the course of time, AFTER completing their sentences, if they should then prove themselves to their community, provide restitution or other considerations showing a contrite spirit regarding their former crimes, they MAY EARN their rights and privileges back, if they can show they have the affirmation of the community.

We all know you Dims have no CONCEPT of EARNING anything.

You'll discover to your dismay in the course of due time, very shortly, this is not to your advantage to be so willfully ignorant of your duties and fiduciary obligations of basic contributions to the community you depend upon.

Doesn't make it the TRUTH. Just undermines you all the further.
You Dims have left yerselves absolutely NO cover since Bill Clinton and the Blue Dress.

Dude, even an amoeba or a paramecium know that Obama is a natural born citizen.

Of Kenya. Thus England. Until he was adopted by Mr. Soetero, that is.

You hold that title, D-Vega. Real Special Stupid. You'll prolly get tattooed with it in Hell. Sad little creature.

Roberts' and Alito's hesitation doesn't prove Roe V Wade is anything one way or another, but the sworn affidavits of half the witnesses and lawyers in the case do.

And if you don't get it squared on earth, then it will be due after this earth – for all eternity. And in a nation like this where each has a vote, all who vote in support of the politicians and measures that shore it up, they will face God with ALL of EACH of those babies, and the blood will be on your hands before Him on your Judgement Day.

WRONG! There is nothing in the Constitution that has to be undone to remove Roe V Wade.

You are getting confused about same sex marriage. THAT requires an Amendment to get it.

No one has defamed them except Odrama Queen when he insinuates something is terribly wrong with his BC that makes him keep it sealed, instead of proving he was a natural born Citizen eligible for the Office of the President by Constitutional Standards.

You really should be banned for slander.

Yeah, that's right, Vega – don't you have to have one to be one?

You are lying about abortion. Really Bald-faced.

Yes, abortion is a right under the Constitutional right to privacy.

Would you care to quote that particular clause of the Constitution for me? I can't seem to find it…anywhere.

Roe v Wade was a court decision, not a right. It was made by a majority and can be overturned by a majority. Just like any other Supreme Court decision.

Calling it a right, like you and your side have done with HealthCare, is your pathetic and misguided attempt to shut down debate and say this issue is settled.

And kickin git back to the states would allow the people of this nation to finally have a say in the abortion issue. And that scares you more than anything Vega.

You Never condemned Letterman, Vega. At the time of the debate on Obama's family, you were unable to prove that you did, and no one (not even your buddies on the Left) remembered and lept to your defense.

But you did use that post to lash out at anyone and everyone on the Right for not being as indignant as you were. Poor, poor little nancy-boy. You got your widdle feewings hurt on behalf of Obama and everyone laughed at you. You tried to make that one post into an international incident and YOU FAILED. And when we showed that that ONE slam against Obama's family was an example of what Sarah palin endured DAILY during the campaign, your response was “Fuck Palin AND her kids!”

Keep going Vega. With your unhinged rants and your boundless hate for the Right, you'll be in the Obama Administration in no time!

A shit bag that claims someone else is full of what they are made of?
How ironic and typical of a libtard.
You are what you eat huh pete?

Well the staffer I sent to hawaii to get a hobo to overthrow the government or break the law like factcheck failed to find any proof of there being a birth certificate.

So I guess we just have to settle for what you can find when you visit kenya.
There is this lady who obamao says is his grandmother, who remembers his birth in her village.
The government is proud of their kenyan born American who first made senator:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/easta…

Hell when you bribe the right person you turn up silly things like this document that Looks more geniune than than your COLB
http://www.panamalaw.org/images/Obama-Kenyan-bi…

Lookie there, doctor's signature, witness signature, baby footprint.
Now who has ever had a birth certificate not have a baby's footprint?
Vag says obamao does.

Now lets see… you had an add in the paper proclaiming obama's birth..
Funny, I got an article praising his heritage too.
You got a certificate of live birth sans signature from doctore, race of father, no listing of hospital etc etc etc.
I got this birth certificate.

You foam and cry there is no proof of obamao being born anywhere else.
You whine that I do not face reality.
You are guilty of every accusation you throw around.

You make the quote, “Iceberg dead ahead captain!!!” come to mind so easy when you say that bullshit.

I am not shutting down any debate, because it's a legal right as we speak.

It's up to you to prove that according to Constutitionally legal history, how it is not.

Sorry, Rose. You can't undo RvW unless you overturn other decisions as well. Legal precedence. This is not a popularity contest. And if you took a poll, America would still keep it legal.

I respect your religious beliefs, Rose. But we are talking about LAW here and the Constitution affirmations of privacy and personal decision.

There is a reason why Roberts and Alito would be hesitant.

VH first for being a disgusting jester.

It amuses me to see you crack up again. It's because you cannot argue the point.

Exactly how was obama's momma and grandaddy smeared?

So you are against seat belt laws I see.

Fine, I read the Constitution, No mention of Abortion.

Therefore, NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT!

You are an idiot!

Calling Vega out on his lies = Cracking Up?

You can't take Letterman's spot despite your desire to rape little girls, but you could write for him, Vega!

Lack of the word “abortion” being in the constitution = proof
Lack of “right to elective procedure” or wording equivalent to

You can replace the word “abortion” with cosmetic surgery and you are claiming that is a constitutional right.

Standby.

14th amendment, of which there are several decisions over the course of decades which provided interpretation.

Of which led to the RvW decision. That is why you would need an Amendement, versus stacking people on court who are idealist activists that you'd think would overturn RvW immediately.

There is little more private to a woman than that of being pregnant, versus not, versus having an abortion, versus giving birth to a child. You would have a hard time revising fundamental privacy law that would conflict with that.

“There is little more private to a woman than that of being pregnant”

You think women get pregnant all by themselves Vega? And even after the fact, there is another person present, THE CHILD.

Legalized Abortion came into being based upon ONE decision. It can go out the same way. No matter how much you want the ability to murder your child to remain private.

Ok Vag, I recognise your point.
However, I think it is totally absurd… but hey as long as we are clear you believe convicted murders should be allowed to own guns
That convicted child rapists should be allowed to be school teachers
That Convicted bank robbers should be allowed to work in a bank.

Now me? I think the process we have for expungement should remain in place. Obviously you do not agree.
This is why you are never going to be allowed to be in a place of authority.
Brag about your diploma all you want.
End of the day, you still never leave your momma's house and have no sense of responsibility for your own actions or face the consequences and ramifications of a mistake that could cost lives.

Uh… gee, get their record expunged?
Novel idea.
Oh wait… someone already thought of it.

It could be, lots of things could be. But it won't be. And can't be banned without an amendment, because it's a right.

Yeah, like he's honest. Just admit when faced with the choice, you choke and give in.

The word “President” is, though, Rose. And the words “natural born citizen”.

Of which Mr. Obama is both. You'll just have to deal with it.

No, Rose. He was both born here and is President of the United States.

If you keep saying “Abortion is a Right”, it will magically come true, Vega. And if you tap your heels together three times, you'll go back to Kansas.

I do so enjoy proving what a babbling idiot you are. I enjoy it even more when you prove it yourself.

Vega, I stated that the Birther argument is silly and a loser argument for the Right. But that will never be enough to match your level of idiotic righteous indignation. So just run along and invent some more rights in the Constitution. Why don't you work on euthenasia next, that's a private medical procedure, just like abortion.

Right to privacy is, though. And abortion is included in that.

Driving is a priviledge.

A fetus is not a person, though, Stan. That is the crux of the decision. So the responsibility goes to the woman.

Not the government. Not you. It's a private matter. That's why it's a right.

This is something that is much more personal and of the essence of what a woman is.

It aint a boob job, or in your case gender modification.

Stan knows, and he should be ashamed at the way he and Nixon acted.

My comment keeps getting deleted once again. But you've been flagged.

Fetus is a child, hense a person.

Abortion is not a Constitutional Right, no matter how often you erroroneously claim it is!

Maybe because they are insipid and impotent, like you Vega!

“No Vega, You can't take the high-ground. Your colleagues betray you. “

Oh NOOOOOO! He flagged me. What will I do? How will i survive????

Did you also run and tell your mommy on me, nancy-boy?

Your under-current is embarassment is showing, Stan. There is still a man in there somewhere.

I know you don't care. The moderators may care about your obsession with child rape, though.

A fetus is not a child. It is a fetus.

And abortion is a Constitutional. I know its hard for you to face, because it means that the right is here to stay.

It doesn't have to be magically do anything, Stan. It's already codified into law as the Constitution is interpreted by the SCOTUS.

It's over.

It's neither “silly” or a “loser arguement”. It's a LIE. Say it. It's a LIE.

Oh, a fetus is not a child? Then what is it Vega. A lizard? A bird?

And keep telling yourself that Abortion is a right. That way, when it is stuck down, you and your pathetioc self will be destroyed.

And when the SCOTUS interprets the Constitution to say that abortion does not equal privacy, what then.

You are so enamoured with your own voice that you cannot see you abjectly stupid you are, Vega. Of course, the rest of us can!

I don;t know that it is a lie, because Obama is going to such great lengths to have his records sealed. Behold, the most transparent government ever.

By the way, you don't know it is a lie either. You just suck up whatever bullshit Obama feeds you and asks for more.