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If There’s An Obamacare Vote On Sunday, I Think The Dems Lose It
Written By : John Hawkins

I’ve been watching the flow of the blow in the House really carefully and despite what people are saying, I don’t think they have the votes. Moreover, let me go out on a limb here: People are saying that there’s going to be a vote on Sunday. If it happens, I think Obamacare fails.

Why? Well, for one thing, going by what I think is the best whip count out there, at The Hill, the Dems don’t look to be that close.

According to the Hill, the whip count, with leaners, is 169 “yes,” 36 “no,” and 49 “undecided.” Out of those numbers, there are 9 Democrats who voted “yes” last time and have switched to “no.” There are 2 Democrats who voted “no” last time and switched to “yes” and one of them is Dennis Kucinich, who’s an obviously unusual no vote in that he was a far left winger, not a blue dog. Out of the remaining “undecided votes,” 8 of them are middle-of-the-roaders who voted “no” the first time around.

Moreover, the conventional wisdom about all the undecided voters actually being “yes” votes who don’t want to say “yes” yet is probably wrong. Sure, maybe half of them may fall into that category. But, there is a significant number of undecided votes who are as likely to end up voting “no” as “yes.” For example (* means supports Stupak language, (N) or (Y) is in regard to their vote on the health care bill that passed the House the first time),

Jason Altmire (Pa.) * (N) Sounding more like a no than he was last week. On March 16, Altmire told Fox Business Network that he has major problem with Democrats’ apparent “deem and pass” strategy, calling it “wrong.” Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told McClatchy Newspaperrs he is targeting Altmire, who many view as key to passage. Voted no in committee and on floor, but bottom line is his yes vote is gettable

John Boccieri (Ohio) * (N) In a bad sign for the White House, Boccieri did not appear with President Barack Obama at his March 15 speech in Ohio. Boccieri, a GOP target, told Foxnews.com, “I’m not afraid to cast a tough vote…” Clyburn has publicly said he is leaning on Boccieri, whose vote could go a long way in determining whether healthcare reform will pass

Michael Capuano (Y) Wanted to be a senator, but doesn’t trust the Senate. TPM reported that Capuano is leaning no. In an e-mail to supporters, Capuano said he has many problems with Senate measure

Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.) * (Y) GOP target. Her yes vote could be key to passage. Strong backer of Stupak language

Brad Ellsworth (Ind.) * (Y) Senate hopeful who is big supporter of Stupak language

Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) * (Y) Voted with leadership first time around, but doesn’t toe the party line. Wants Stupak language but that’s not a deal breaker. Voted yes during Budget Committee markup. Likely to move to lean yes category soon (Hawkins’ note: She also bombed the Senate abortion language last night)

Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.) (N) President Obama urges her to vote yes in the Oval Office, according to March 16 AP report

Betsy Markey (Colo.) (N) Was a late no last time. In early March, Markey declined to be interviewed by Denver Post on her position on bill. Likely target for Democratic leaders

Alan Mollohan (W.Va.) * (Y) In November, seat was considered safe. Now, he’s in a tight race

Glenn Nye (Va.) (N) In toss-up race

John Tanner (Tenn.) * (N) House deputy whip not running for reelection, but he still will need to be convinced to get to yes. Voted no in committee and on floor

Pelosi can’t really afford any defections out of this block, plus she still has another 38 undecided votes as well, some of whom will undoubtedly have to end their political careers to support this bill.

Now, you may be wondering: why are all these people still undecided at this point? Here’s a couple of theories, both of which seem pretty sound:

Rounding up the votes for health care has also proven difficult. House Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn told McClatchy Newspapers that final consideration of the bill may not occur until Easter (April 4) or later. He is dealing with dozens of members who refuse to commit to a firm position in hopes their silence will force the leadership to pull the bill and move on to other issues. “Just say nothing,” is how one Democratic staffer explained the strategy being taken by many members. “Maybe it will just go away, and we can avoid a tough vote this close to the election.”

(Republicans) believe that no Democratic lawmaker who is definitely planning to vote yes on the bill would want the activists on the left, in this case exemplified by Firedoglake, to believe he or she is still undecided. Why take a beating for nothing?

“This is a window that we haven’t seen on other votes,” says the GOP source. “It’s not foolproof, but it’s telling, when you understand that from the Democrats’ perspective, this is being driven by the left. They are the only ones who still support the bill.”

Now, are all the undecideds really “no votes?” Certainly not. But, I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant chunk of them are. Why not just come out? Bart Stupak has had liberal death threats aimed at his children. Liberal groups are threatening primaries. Better to wait until the last minute, skip the vote at all if possible, and vote “no” with a lot of other Democrats if it isn’t, so it’s not as easy to be picked out of a crowd. That’s why we’re supposedly 3 days out from a vote and there are nearly 50 Democrats, almost all of whom will be needed to pass the bill, who aren’t taking a position.

There are no guarantees in life and the Democrats’ mob style government may yet threaten, bribe, and cheat their way to a bill. But, at this point, the odds are still heavily against them.

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  • CoolCzech

    Michael Barone is as astute a political analyst as you’re going to find out there, and he sees Obamacare going down.

    Of course, never underestimate how thoroughly debauched, unconstitutional, sleazy, and willing to bribe Congressman with OUR money to vote against US the Democrats are.

    Stil, even if somehow they squeak this through come Sunday, it may well mark the end of the anti-American organization known as the Democratic Party once and for all. Can Obamacare be repealed? Probably not in one fell swoop, but let me tell ya: after November, it will be subjected to the death of a thousand cuts, relentlessly. And woe to the congressman that voted for this assault on America.

  • CoolCzech

    BTW, it SO figures the “Party of Compassion” and the “Intellectual Elites” are issuing death threats against Stupak.

  • tblrk2006

    Im not so confident. Looks like they will find a way to force it, BUT, they will almost imediately face constitutionality tests and will certainly lose those.

  • http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

    I’d like to believe you’re right but I think a lot of the people claiming they’ll vote “no” right now will flip like last time and vote for it.

    My only real hope is that so many states are gearing up to immediately oppose this that they might finally be realizing how incredibly strong and deep the opposition is.

  • impulse910

    I don’t care how the liberals try to justify this. Using the Slaughter rule to pass legislation of this magnitude is blatantly unconstitutional. It will have two consequences.

    1. Yes voters will see Election Day turn into Judgement Day. They can slice any which way they want. The voters will still see a Yes vote as a vote for Obamacare. Every major poll has the majority of Americans oppossed to this bill and it is going to carry over in November.

    2. If Obamacare passes, it’s almost a sure bet the case will wind up before the Supreme Court. Coincidentally, this is the same court that our oh-so-intelligent President has decided to mock and belittle for the past few months. Nice move, Barry.

  • Bill_Dalasio

    I never thought I’d say this, but my hat’s off to my Dem. Congressman, Michael McMahon. He’s made clear that he intends to vote against Obamacare.

  • impulse910

    McMahon is smart. If his district is against Obamacare, it doesn’t matter how much union thugs cry about him. He’ll survive a primary and possibly see re-election. Some politicians are waking up and realizing that it is the voters who give them their livelihood, not thuggish leftist organizations like ACORN and the SEIU.

    The amusing thing about this whole affair is that the arrogance exhibited by the Dems and their brownshirt supporters has done far more damage to their cause than anything conservatives could have ever done.

  • Power_System_Oper

    A couple of weeks ago I called it 50-50. Now I would say its 100 percent sure that the DEMS will prevail. The present count is about 204 no’s and 213 yes’s leaving about 14 noncommitted. The noncommitted are all DEMS which means the DEMS only need to pick 3 more yes’s from their own group to go over the top. In just the last two days, 4 previous no’s have flipped to yes’s. Momentum is clearly on the DEM’s side going into the stretch. The no vote seems to have about peaked.

    Actually I think the DEMS have known that they had it in the bag since December. They just played it up to generate a lot of pregame hype which makes the game seem much more important than it really is.

  • impulse910

    Keep telling yourself that, hogger. If they really had it in the bag, they would not need to rely on backroom deals and procedural dirty tricks. If they really had it in the bag, it would not have taken them a year to get to this point. Many Dems are scared for their jobs. Fear of the electorate is winning out over fear of Obama and Pelosi. The real question is who is willing to potentially sacrifice themselves for Obama and who thinks their own survival takes precedence. The next few days will be very interesting.

  • http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

    Actually I think the DEMS have known that they had it in the bag since December. They just played it up to generate a lot of pregame hype which makes the game seem much more important than it really is.
    Posted by Power_System_Oper
    2010-03-18 23:40:20

    Really? Then, by your definition, the Democrats used people as pawns in a political game. According to the Democrats, health care needed to be passed now, now and now!

  • BIG

    If a vote takes place this weekend, it will pass. Pelosi will not bring it up for a vote unless she is sure of the votes. President Obama has already canceled his trip to his boyhood home. I think that means this will continue to play out with the backroom deals until they twist enough arms to get it through. It could take months to get this through the house. But Obama is betting his Presidency on this issue, so I don’t see him backing down. He will end up being another one termer like Jimmy Carter and then he can spend the next three decades traveling the globe trashing America and bowing to every and anyone.

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