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Media Tries Projection Over 11 Year Old Sob Story

Written By : William Teach

One of the important things to understand about Lefties is that no matter what happens, they think in terms of how they would act/think. They are unable to stretch their sheepled minds out to understand that what happened is something different from what they themselves would do. Therefore, they end up projecting quite a bit. Case in point

State of the health care debate: Talk radio attacks an 11-year old

Conservative talk show hosts and columnists have ridiculed an 11-year-old Washington state boy’s account of his mother’s death as a “sob story” exploited by the White House and congressional Democrats like a “kiddie shield” to defend their health care legislation.

Marcelas Owens, whose mother got sick, lost her job, lost her health insurance and died, said Thursday he’s taking the attacks from Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin in stride.

While Les Blumenthal almost gets it right in the story, that the account was ridiculed, the headline is pure projection, since that is exactly what Liberals would do in that situation: make it personal and attack the messenger, rather than the message. Attacking the message is exactly what Rush, Glenn, and Michelle did.

“These are adults, and he is an 11-year-old boy who lost his mother,” Gina Owens said. “They should be ashamed.”

No, Ma’am, you and the Democrats should be ashamed for using the 11 year old as a kiddie shield. If you put someone up there with a sob story, and something doesn’t jibe, expect the message to be attacked.

“Now this is unseemly, exploitative, an 11-year-old boy being forced to tell his story all over just to benefit the Democrat Party and Barack Obama,” Limbaugh said on March 12, according to a transcript his show. “And, I would say this to Marcelas Owens: ‘Well, your mom would still have died, because Obamacare doesn’t kick in until 2014.’”

Beck, according to a transcript of his March 15 show, pointed out that Owens’ recent trip to Washington was paid for by Healthcare of America, a group that has been lobbying for a health care overhaul.

“That’s the George Soros-funded Obama-approved group fighting for health care,” Beck said. “Since all of the groups are so concerned and involved now, may I ask where were you when Marcelas’ mother was vomiting blood?”

Malkin dismissed Marcelas Owens as “one of Obama’s youngest lobbyists” who has been “goaded by a left-wing activist grandmother,” promoted by Murray and has become a regular on the “pro-Obamacare circuit.”

Did anyone see an attack on on Marcelas? Me neither, because the attacks were on the Democrats use of Marcelas as a prop, a favorite trick of Democrats when they know their POV is complete bunk. The message has been attacked. Democrats, put in the same position as the Republicans, would simply attack the messenger, not the message, as they have done with Joe The Plumber, Sarah Palin, and so many others. But, then, we do not use people, particularly children and the dead, as props.

Awwww, poor Joe Gandelman at the Moderate Voice (snicker) is all upset about this, shows his own projection, writes that he refuses to listen to talk radio, instead, listening to “moderate” stations like NPR, CNN, and the BBC.

If memory serves, there is some other group which uses women and children as human shields. Which one was it?

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove

Mike_M

Telling the truth about the left is considered an attack by them because it hurts their cause every time. This story is about as compelling as Obama’s “I’ve got a bracelet too” from the campaign. Shallow anecdotal nonsense that crashes to the ground in a heap when challenged.
President_Friedman

Another ridiculous thing they keep saying is that 45,000 people die from lack of healthcare in the USA every year. Assuming that number is true, it means 99.99985% of America’s 300 Million citizens don’t have to worry about dying from lack of healthcare in a given year. I’d call that a good system!
Jack Schite

The wrong wing really is as heartless and hateful as people like Michelle Malkin make it appear to be.

When you can’t attack policies you attack children, which is why your party is nothing more than fringe ignorance in the way of mad hatters and the like.

Why do republicans hate people do much? Because so many people are smart enough to not be republicans is why.

With any luck someone like Ann Coulter will get a brain tumor and lose her insurance.

What a hateful dispicable group of low lifes you are.
William Teach

Guffaw! First Jackie talks about heartless and hateful, then he wishes Ann Coulter gets a brain tumor.

He cannot defend the way Democrats act, then goes and proves my point from the article.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

What a hateful dispicable group of low lifes you are.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 09:33:03

Oh look PROJECTION from Jack Auff!!!!
Mike_M

“Another ridiculous thing they keep saying is that 45,000 people die from lack of healthcare in the USA every year.”

A number unlikely to change under Obamacare since even according the the Democrat’s optimistic math it will only cover 30 million out of the supposedly 45 million uninsured…in three years.

Only the number of dead due to substandard care and waiting lists will skyrocket. Sure corpses line the halls in the hospitals in the UK, but they all have “access”!
Rappin’

Amazing. It appears that Jackie’s of “true liberal values” are applied situatoinally. Tolerance, diversity, repect, compassion, unity, and the most evident value espoused by ad hom Jack, a visceral hatred for all who differ in POV from his warped worldview. Nobody’ fooled Jacko. You’ll soon share the feeling experienced by Jimmy Carter’s sycophants. Unlike your sick obsession with rectal cancer, brain tumors and the like, a desire that pain and death be inflicted on those with whom you disagree speaks volumes. The pride you must feel being true to your values. ‘Til next time Jackie, Coexist!
Jack Schite

I had a feeling you’d try to compare my Coulter wish with your hatefulness. Tell me what that little kid that lost his mom ever did to you.

Now look at Coulter’s modus operandi. I’m sure even a republican can discern a difference between innocence personified and hatefulness personified. A real conservative would dismiss Coulter for her hatefulness outright, but you celebrate it. I blame your low self-esteem.
fiza

“it means 99.99985% of America’s 300 Million citizens don’t have to worry about dying from lack of healthcare in a given year. I’d call that a good system!”
Posted by President_Friedman
2010-03-19 09:07:03

Wow, you means that those citizens of the USA who don’t die have good health care? What a distortion!
MediumHeadBoy

Wow, you means that those citizens of the USA who don’t die have good health care? What a distortion!

Oh for some trolls who are actually familiar with the English language.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Wow, you means that those citizens of the USA who don’t die have good health care? What a distortion!
Posted by fiza
2010-03-19 10:48:02

And the 4500 that SUPPOSEDLY died because they didn’t have insurance ISN’T a distortion??? Are you that fucking gullible???

And EVERY American has good health CARE availible, just because they aren’t all insured doesn’t mean they can’t get CARE.
William Teach

Jack still projects and deflects.
Mike_M

“Tell me what that little kid that lost his mom ever did to you.”

Nothing. That’s why the liberal narrative being created about him is being attacked and not the kid. If you have any evidence of ad homenim attacks aginst the kid, please produce them.

If you’re upset about Rush Limbaugh saying his mom would be dead even if Obamacare had passed by now, your problem should be with the bill, not Rush for telling the truth about it.
http://stfu.keenspace.com Tzimisce

I think we’ve pretty well established by now that Jack and truth have, at best, a nodding acquaintance with one another. They’ve passed on the street a few times. Going in opposite directions, of course.

This kid is just the Cindy Sheehan of the Obamacare narrative, seems like. If you disagree with a mom who lost her kid, or a kid who lost his mom, you’re just a heartless bastard. Never mind whether the argument stands on its own merits, it’s all about who’s making the argument. I wonder if they’ll drop this kid when he’s no longer politically useful, just like they dropped the Sheehag. My money’s on “definitely.”
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Wow, you means that those citizens of the USA who don’t die have good health care? What a distortion!
Posted by fiza
2010-03-19 10:48:02

Yeah, those citizens that are covered under Medicaid or Medicare where the government refused to provide treatment.

Hey idiot, how come the government still demanded taxes from these people who could not pay health insurance? These people most likely could have afforded h.i. if they didn’t have to pay income, sales, state or other taxes.

Nice try at your phony outrage. If the government really cared about these people they would have waived their tax requirement so these people could have put that money into health insurance. You and your fellow libs are treating people like pawns simply because you want others to pay for another entitlement. This country cannot withstand more entitlements.

Why is it that the government sheds crocodile tears over these poor souls then immediately demands that they pay their “fair share” in taxes? The government always criticizes businesses for “excessive profits” but the government takes far more in taxes and refuses to give any portion up for the less fortunate.
tblrk2006

Posted by fiza
2010-03-19 10:48:02

Another fucking liberal that doesnt know the differance between health care and health insurance. My God, obama has some dumb followers.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I had a feeling you’d try to compare my Coulter wish with your hatefulness. Tell me what that little kid that lost his mom ever did to you.

What did Coulter ever do to you, besides telling the truth?

I guess the truth hurts you that much, huh?
NorthernCanuck

With any luck someone like Ann Coulter will get a brain tumor and lose her insurance.
What a hateful dispicable group of low lifes you are.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 09:33:03

And the young one shows up to demonstrate that projection.
NorthernCanuck

A real conservative would dismiss Coulter for her hatefulness outright, but you celebrate it. I blame your low self-esteem.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 10:39:20

As they dismiss Friedman, Dowd, etc. Not wish painful death on them as you wish such on conservatives.
http://stfu.keenspace.com Tzimisce

A real conservative would dismiss Coulter for her hatefulness outright, but you celebrate it. I blame your low self-esteem.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 10:39:20

I love how it’s up to you, of all people, to decide what a real conservative is. Don’t take this too hard, Jack my lad, but I don’t think any of us here are going to break down your door so you can tell us how real conservatives should act. Just sayin’.
Jack Schite

Comparing Coulter’s shit scribe with the intellectual wisdom of Dowd etc. just demonstrates your mental capacities are nil.

Buncha wack jobs is what you are and as un-American as it gets.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Comparing Coulter’s shit scribe with the intellectual wisdom of Dowd etc. just demonstrates your mental capacities are nil.

Jack-off, your opinion only amuses us.

Typical of spinless jellyfish like you to fear strong women. I guess Coulter scares you because she could bitchslap you without breaking a sweat.
William Teach

Seems that all Jack has is deflections from the actual topic. I wonder why?
NorthernCanuck

Buncha wack jobs is what you are and as un-American as it gets.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 12:13:42

This guy is usually boring but for some reason this morning is really tickling my funny bone.
Oh my, I’m un-American.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Buncha wack jobs is what you are and as un-American as it gets.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-19 12:13:42

Projection at it’s finest!!! Dowd has more intellectual wisdom than YOU but she has less than a TOAD!!! My dog could run intellectual rings around Dowd!!!!!!
Crimsonfella

Libs like to use people to push their lies just like when they used and lied to Michael J Fox giving him and many people with parkinson’s desease false hope about stem cell research.Liberals should be ashamed of themselves lying to people and giving them false hope.Now they’ve used and lied to this 11 year old kid.Lies and deception is the lefts biggest tools to fool people.

For years all we heard from libs and the mainstream news media is how we are losing in Iraq,we can’t win, we need to pull the troops out of Iraq and bring them home.And yet the truth was that we made so much progress in Iraq that Obama did not pull the troops out of Iraq like he said he would.And now the new lie is how he’s fighting it better than Bush did.LOL! Yeah Right! No wonder so many americans are against this healthcare bill.
Realpolitik

And yet the truth was that we made so much progress in Iraq that Obama did not pull the troops out of Iraq like he said he would.
Posted by Crimsonfella
2010-03-19 13:10:03

LOL indeed. If you’re going to re-write history, re-write it BIG!
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-19 13:46:11

Oh look an idiot.
Realpolitik

Oh look an idiot.
Posted by bthewolf
2010-03-19 13:59:06

Hi, idiot. Dishes done?
tblrk2006

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-19 13:46:11

Fill us in with the truth then.
D-Vega

Yes, this is low. You guys complain about using kiddie shields, but didn’t mind when it was the “snowflake babies” of the frozen embryos.

The right-wing attacks this kid and the principle behind it because it puts a human face on the issue. It slams the right-wing for being the selfish wing they are. And they hate that.

So please, attack this kid somemore. Before Sunday comes, quick.

And to Limbaugh’s point, I guess that would mean Obamacare would save lives, as it would have if it were in place when this woman lost her job.

Thanks, Rush. You’re proving our points for us, without realizing it because you are wallowing in your own bitterness. You were able to get those hundreds of Oxycontin when you needed it.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Looky everyone, Sooper-Vega has swooped in to save Jack-Shiite and Reallunatik by providing more lies and spin.

as it would have if it were in place when this woman lost her job.

Yeah, too bad the state and federal governments still demanded taxes from this poor woman. She may have been able to afford insurance otherwise. Gee, I wonder why Medicaid (a government program) didn’t come in to help?

Like Jack Shiite, the truth offends Vega.
D-Vega

Looks like reason offends you, too, Kingfisher. As once agian you can’t refute, so you simply (and I mean simply) insult.

It’s okay though. Because if you guys were being classy and higher-ground I would be worried. The more like a douchebag you get though, the more I know this thing has a chance to be passed.

Just like in the election. The more wingnut you got over Obama, the more I knew that he would win.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Looks like reason offends you, too, Kingfisher.

Which explains why you cannot refute my arguments. Keep running like the cowardly pussy you are, we own the argument.

You’ll respond because you’re offended. Resistance is futile.

It’s okay though. Because if you guys were being classy and higher-ground I would be worried. The more like a douchebag you get though, the more I know this thing has a chance to be passed.

*YAWN* That’s the best you can do? What’s the matter, Vega, insulting our military isn’t good enough? Then why are you so worried about it not being passed?

Just like in the election. The more wingnut you got over Obama, the more I knew that he would win.

Which explains his low approval numbers right now.

If you trolls are going to pick a fight, you have to do better than sending in little children like Vega.

Begone little one. You lost again. I have better things to do than kick your ass again. Your hatred will eventually consume you.
tblrk2006

It’s okay though. Because if you guys were being classy and higher-ground I would be worried.

Says the spokesperson of the party that wants to use Deem and Pass to take over 1/6 of the US economy, BK health insurance companies, and ruin our care system in the image of the UK….and now wants to use D&P to make illegals legal. Talk about higher ground.

The more like a douchebag you get though, the more I know this thing has a chance to be passed.

Your not “passing” anything. Your deeming it passed without even voting on it. Crooked motherfuckers.

Just like in the election. The more wingnut you got over Obama, the more I knew that he would win.

Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 15:14:41

Wait till next election.
Realpolitik

I have better things to do than kick your ass again.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 15:27:48

LOL – apparently not. Whine whine whine.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

LOL – apparently not. Whine whine whine.
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-19 15:45:01

Looks like the left needs to send children in to do a man’s job.

Remember lefties, child labor is strictly regulated.
D-Vega

Says the spokesperson of the party that wants to use Deem and Pass to take over 1/6 of the US economy, BK health insurance companies, and ruin our care system in the image of the UK….and now wants to use D&P to make illegals legal. Talk about higher ground.

Stay with the talking points, tblrk. This doesn’t take over 1/6 of our economy, nor does it do anything to the insurance companies but increase their customer base, nor does it resemble a UK healthcare system.

And the immig reform is enjoying bipartisan support. Again, you’ll be on the outside looking in.

Your not “passing” anything. Your deeming it passed without even voting on it. Crooked motherfuckers.

Oh, if it does pass, it will be by vote. Don’t worry, no Republicans are needed.

Wait till next election.

The Dems will have more to worry about if they don’t pass it.
D-Vega

Which explains why you cannot refute my arguments.

Arguing 101: First you have to pose an argument in order to have it refuted.

Keep running like the cowardly pussy you are, we own the argument.

You don’t “own” anything, otherwise this thing would have died 9 months ago when you guys were crowing.

*YAWN* That’s the best you can do?

The truth bores you? NO surprise there.

What’s the matter, Vega, insulting our military isn’t good enough?

Ask Liz Cheney. She insulted them. I didn’t do anything of the kind.

Then why are you so worried about it not being passed?

Me worry? No, you are the guys going apeshit, because it shows how marginalized you really are.

Which explains his low approval numbers right now.

Because HIS base wants this done. The liberals and moderates who voted for him. He never had your support, so he couldn’t lose what he didn’t have.

If you trolls are going to pick a fight, you have to do better than sending in little children like Vega.

It must suck to get your ass handed to you by a child like D-Vega.

Begone little one. You lost again. I have better things to do than kick your ass again. Your hatred will eventually consume you.

Aw, Kingfihers is bitching again. How long will it be before he starts talking about gay sex and pedophilia? Let’s wait and see.
D-Vega

Back on topic, the Dems have every right to tell this kid’s story. If the right have a leg to stand on (no pun intended) they shouldn’t be reacting the way they are.

But they are. Because they know putting the issue into context is the best way someone can understand it clearly. He’s not a “human shield”, he’s an example of the problem. Human shields would be the strawmen lies that the right creates.

That’s why they are picking on this kid whose mom died at the age of 27 because she lost her job and healthcare.

The right would have preferred that no such safety net existed at all. That she was a slacker and if she died, ah well. I got mine, right?
whats_up

Your not “passing” anything. Your deeming it passed without even voting on it. Crooked motherfuckers.

Posted by tblrk2006
2010-03-19 15:39:30

Just like the GOP and conservatives have done many times, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
whats_up

The right would have preferred that no such safety net existed at all. That she was a slacker and if she died, ah well. I got mine, right?

Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:07:05

You hit the nail on the head Vega, they could care less about anyone else.
whats_up

Aw, Kingfihers is bitching again. How long will it be before he starts talking about gay sex and pedophilia? Let’s wait and see.

Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:02:11

I give it five more posts.
MediumHeadBoy

Just like the GOP and conservatives have done many times

Funny, I can’t remember the GOP ever trying to take over 1/7th of the US economy. Musta slipped my mind.
whats_up

Funny, I can’t remember the GOP ever trying to take over 1/7th of the US economy. Musta slipped my mind.

Posted by MediumHeadBoy
2010-03-19 16:11:52

Well no wonder it slipped your mind we were talking about deem and pass, try to keep up. Deem and pass was used by the GOP controlled Congress in 2005 over 25 times on bills and not ONE WORD of protest from the right, interesting….
D-Vega

I can’t remember either party doing that, MHB.

Oh, yeah. That’s right. Because it has never happened.
whats_up

A little more history on deem and pass and the GOP, during the reign of Newt it was used 38 times in the 104th Congress and used 52 times in the 105th Congress, yet we heard no complaints from the right…Under Dennis Hastert it was used 40 times in the 106th Congress, 42 times in the 107th Congress and 30 times in the 108th Congress and yet no complaints from the right.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Aw, Kingfihers is bitching again. How long will it be before he starts talking about gay sex and pedophilia? Let’s wait and see.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:02:11

Gee Vega, I didn’t realize that you would get so excited in anticipation.

Oh, yeah. That’s right. Because it has never happened but will happen with this vote.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:18:07

Your statement needed correction AGAIN, Vega. Please try to review your posts for accuracy.

Because HIS base wants this done. The liberals and moderates who voted for him. He never had your support, so he couldn’t lose what he didn’t have.

I thought he was president of ALL the people, Vega. Ouch, the truth hurts, don’t it?

Deem and pass was used by the GOP controlled Congress in 2005 over 25 times on bills and not ONE WORD of protest from the right, interesting….
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:15:59

Sorry, but the right DID protest. What’s hilarious with that statement is that the libs are claiming that “two wrongs make a right.”
whats_up

Sorry, but the right DID protest

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 16:28:14

Bullshit King, not once did you or anyone else on here or on the right for that matter protest any of the bills that were passed by the 108th Congress using deem and pass, not ONE bill King.
whats_up

“two wrongs make a right.”

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 16:28:14

Funny how it only became “wrong” when the liberals decided to use it.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Bullshit King, not once did you or anyone else on here or on the right for that matter protest any of the bills that were passed by the 108th Congress using deem and pass, not ONE bill King.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:33:51

Sorry whats_up, but facts are facts…the right DID protest just like the right protested Harriet Myers and the stimulus under Bush.

Funny how it only became “wrong” when the liberals decided to use it.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:35:09

So you’re admitting it’s wrong. Thanks for your admission. That explains why Obama is trying to use immoral tactics to approve this monstrosity.

See? Even you admit it’s wrong.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Bullshit King, not once did you or anyone else on here or on the right for that matter protest any of the bills that were passed by the 108th Congress using deem and pass, not ONE bill King.

Aw, whats_up is bitching again. How long will it be before he repeats the same claim with no evidence whatsoever? Let’s wait and see.
whats_up

Sorry whats_up, but facts are facts…the right DID protest just like the right protested Harriet Myers and the stimulus under Bush.

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 16:38:40

No they didnt, the GOP even went to court to defend the practice, nice try King, but not one GOP politician stood up and said it was wrong to use deem and pass (well not until the left decided to use it), otherwise you would be able to find ample quotes on the matter. Also its not wrong, its part of the process, you just dont like being in the minority. Well tough shit you had your chance and couldnt get conservatives elected.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I give it five more posts.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

No they didnt, the GOP even went to court to defend the practice, nice try King, but not one GOP politician stood up and said it was wrong to use deem and pass (well not until the left decided to use it), otherwise you would be able to find ample quotes on the matter. Also its not wrong, its part of the process, you just dont like being in the minority. Well tough shit you had your chance and couldnt get conservatives elected.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:43:30

And the lie keeps repeating.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Gee whats_up, it must suck to be an angry, bitter lib. I guess Obama wasn’t the false messiah that you believed. Like I told you before, the job for Messiah was filled over two thousand years ago.
Crimsonfella

LOL indeed. If you’re going to re-write history, re-write it BIG!
Posted by Realpolitik

Go ahead and explain then why Obama has not pulled the troops out of Iraq and him and Biden is trying to take credit for the success in Iraq. Go ahead I want to hear your explanation as to why them troops are still in Iraq.Obama ran hard on this issue and yet sent more troops to Iraq plus Afganistan too.He is doing basically the samething Bush was doing as far as the war on terror which Bush said would go on long after his administration.And yet you’ve been dumbed down about the threat by all of the left wing propaganda and live in a pre-9/11 world.
whats_up

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 16:45:47

Gee King it must suck to realize that your party has used deem and pass 200 times from 95-05, and now you want to be outraged, LMAO it gets better and better from the right.
whats_up

Posted by Crimsonfella
2010-03-19 16:47:22

Obama is pulling troops out of Iraq on a montly basis, have you not been following along.
Crimsonfella

Obama is pulling troops out of Iraq on a montly basis, have you not been following along.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:51

No! Dumby he sent troops to Iraq
D-Vega

Geez, fella. You are recycling talking points from months ago.

Gee Vega, I didn’t realize that you would get so excited in anticipation.

I like comedy and watching worms squirm. Hence, I read your posts.

Your statement needed correction AGAIN, Vega. Please try to review your posts for accuracy.

So now you are reduced to making shit up again.

I thought he was president of ALL the people, Vega. Ouch, the truth hurts, don’t it?

He is. It doesn’t mean he has to do what you want, though.

Sorry, but the right DID protest. What’s hilarious with that statement is that the libs are claiming that “two wrongs make a right.”

You are full of shit, Kingfisher. The right didn’t make any objections.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Gee King it must suck to realize that your party has used deem and pass 200 times from 95-05, and now you want to be outraged, LMAO it gets better and better from the right.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:51:07

And it’s interesting how you intentionally moved the goalposts to save your sorry ass. Your original point was the conservatives didn’t protest the Reps when they used deem and pass and now you’re trying to switch the topics.

I’m sure they did just as they violated numerous other Constitutional principles. That’s the only reason why Obama won.

I’ll accept your intentional deflection as an indication that I’m correct. I’ll also accept your second intentional deflection about this whole processing being wrong as another indication that I’m correct again.

Obviously, the protests are working.

Obama is pulling troops out of Iraq on a montly basis, have you not been following along.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:51:53

You’re not only stuck on stupid, you wallow in it. Sorry, wrong again.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

You are full of shit, Kingfisher. The right didn’t make any objections.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:55:38

Denial won’t help you either, Vega. The right did protest.
Crimsonfella

Vega

Yes! I am recycling it because it was all a lie by your side about how we are losing in Iraq,we can’t win and need to pull the troops out and Obama ran on it and yet has not pulled them out because it was a lie. People see it too no wonder the american people don’t trust him about this healthcare bill and are against it and not just conservatives democrats are too.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

So now you are reduced to making shit up again.

Facts aren’t “making shit up again.”
D-Vega

Kingfisher. I hope you have examples of the right protesting the use of deem&pass by Reps to move bills into law.

Please provide these examples or admit you are full of shit.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I guess you lefties still haven’t learned your lesson. Oh well, what more could we ask for than a bunch of braindead idiots who are willing to jump off a cliff?
D-Vega

Crimson, Obama clearly stated that the goal to get all of our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, contigent upon the facts on the ground.

It was the right that claimed he would “cut and run”. And that was wrong, like so many other things they said about him.
D-Vega

Again, Kingfisher can’t provide anything to support his ridiculous claims, so he thinks insults will camoflouge his bullshit.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Please provide these examples or admit you are full of shit.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 16:59:57

Once you provide examples that Obama has the full support of libs and moderates.

Don’t be a dumbfuck and ask for proof when you refuse to provide it.
Crimsonfella

Go back and watch the debate Vega himanf Hillary were on stage and Obama said he would pull the troops out as soon as he’s elected while Hillary said she would wait to be beter informed and yet he won and has not pulled the troops out and has’nt even tried to or wanted to.He lied! and people see it now. Your side screamed it from the rooftops there was no way you could not hear about how we are losing in Iraq and need to bring our troops home.People see he lied as well as the media and don’t trust him now.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Crimson, Obama clearly stated that the goal to get all of our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, contigent upon the facts on the ground.

And he changed his mind, like everything else. Biden even falsely claimed that Iraq was Obama’s achievement.

It was the right that claimed he would “cut and run”. And that was wrong, like so many other things they said about him.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-19 17:04:28

Gee Vega, do you enjoy being wrong?

“Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq. There never was,” he said. “‘The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now.”

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/obama_delivers_his_iraq_speech.html

rightwingnews.com/mt331/2008/03/obamas_brilliant_military_strategy_cut_and_run_and_then_run_back.php
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Again, ~~Kingfisher~~Vega can’t provide anything to support his ridiculous claims, so he thinks insults will camoflouge his bullshit.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher
D-Vega

That was in Sept 2007, King.

And I still await your examples of the right protesting the use of deem&pass by Reps.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

And I still await your examples of ~~the right protesting the use of deem&pass by Reps.~~ Obama’s support of libs and moderates.
Crimsonfella

One thing I can say about Bush is he did what he said he would do if he was elected or tried very hard to his biggest problem is he did’nt defend himself politically.

Obama has yet to pull the troops out of Iraq and even sent troops to Iraq after being elected after running heavily on how he would pull the troops out as soon as elected.

You think people don’t notice it libs? You are fooling yourselves.Look at all that money Obama is spending in Iraq in a war we were all told was lost by you libs.

I am pointing out no wonder people don’t trust him about this healthcare bill. You libs try to glide over it like nobody notices but they do.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Obama has yet to pull the troops out of Iraq and even sent troops to Iraq after being elected after running heavily on how he would pull the troops out as soon as elected.

Obama won’t be pulling the troops out for a long time. As Commander-in-Chief, he would have done that long ago if he wished. Obama knows the left will flip-flop for him.

You think people don’t notice it libs? You are fooling yourselves.Look at all that money Obama is spending in Iraq in a war we were all told was lost by you libs.

The amount of money spent in Iraq is pennies compared to the stimulus and healthcare.
Crimsonfella

Obama won’t be pulling the troops out for a long time. As Commander-in-Chief, he would have done that long ago if he wished. Obama knows the left will flip-flop for him.

Yeah I agree.The lib mainstream media did this to Reagan too when he was standing up to the Soviet Union and nothing they predicted happened or turned out to be true.This is nothing new it has been going on for years.But I think it is hard for people not to notice that he has’nt pulled the troops out.The left hammered it home everywhere about how we are losing and need to bring our troops home.

The amount of money spent in Iraq is pennies compared to the stimulus and healthcare.
Posted by Kingfisher

I agree with this too. Remember Isaiah 13:19-20 predicts that Iraq/Babylon will be rebuilt and if you read all of chapter 13 only to be destroyed when Jesus returns.Remember the babylonian empire was just conquered by the Medes and Persian empire and so verse 20 has not happened yet but will in the future.
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I never even knew the GOP used Demonpass until very recently but had I known, I’d have opposed it strongly just as I do now. A pox on both houses, but its plain which is poxier.

Did anyone else know that was used? I don’t remember it being reported on by anyone.
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Just like the GOP and conservatives have done many times, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 16:08:16

An exhaustive search yielded not one piece of evidence of liberals who opposed the option when the GOP exercised it.

Liberals were silent when the GOP used the option so you have no moral right to support it now. On the other hand, conservatives objective the option so we have a moral right to object to it now.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Another interesting take on this story.

Now that the typical leftist trolls have shed their crocodile tears it’s time to go back to the RWN archives.

Where was the liberal outrage here? Oh yeah, NOWHERE!

rightwingnews.com/2009/12/midwife-describes-chaos-of-britains-socialized-medicine/

Socialized medicine at its best:

Four members of one family, including a new-born baby girl, died within 18 months after of blunders at the hospital;

Where were the libs to defend THAT girl?!

rightwingnews.com/2010/03/democrats-lies-more-lies-and-damnable-lies/?comments=show#comments

I’m also seeking the RWN article about the baby girl who died in a British hospital because administrators didn’t want to care for her. The left really didn’t care about her.

Once again, leftist = hypcrite.
whats_up

An exhaustive search yielded not one piece of evidence of liberals who opposed the option when the GOP exercised it.

Liberals were silent when the GOP used the option so you have no moral right to support it now. On the other hand, conservatives objective the option so we have a moral right to object to it now.
Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-19 23:07:10

King,

You are a fucking liar, plain and simple, perhaps you missed the COURT CASE that made it to the DC Circut of Appeals. It was defended by the Bush Administration and the GOP, this is what it has come to with you, and you have the nerve, the audacity to call yourself a Christian. Fuckin liar.

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2006cv0523-15
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

I think the fact that Rush Limbaugh making fun of people trotting out kids makes the left pretend he’s being mean to the kids just shows what a pack of lying a-holes they are.
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Posted by whats_up
2010-03-19 23:48:30

You….
Stupid….
Motherfucking….
Asswipe….
Moron.

Did you actually READ the document you provided? IT ACTUALLY SHOWS that what the Democrats are doing right now is illegal!

Letter from
Henry Waxman, Ranking Minority Member, U.S. House of Representatives, to Nancy Pelosi,
Democratic Leader, U.S. House of Representatives, Feb. 14, 2006, at 1 (“the version of the
legislation signed by the President on February 8, 2006, is substantively different from the
version voted on by the House on February 1, 2006″), available at http://www.democrats.reform.
house.gov/story.asp?ID=1007; Conyers v. Bush, No. 06-11972 (E.D. Mich.) (complaint filed
Apr. 28, 2006) (lawsuit by eleven members of the House alleging that Deficit Reduction Act of
2005 differs substantively from the bill passed by the House).

Certain fundamental principles are not in dispute. The bicameral requirement embodied
in Article I, Sections 1 and 7, requires that the same bill — that is, the same text — be passed by
both chambers of Congress. Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417, 448 (1998)
(emphasizing that “if one paragraph of . . . text” is omitted from the bill passed by either house of
Congress or signed into law by the President, the law would fail to comply with the bicameral
requirement)

. Absent bicameral passage, a bill does not become a law — a principle

If the Democrats opposed it then then why do they support it now? They claimed it was illegal then (and you supported that with the document) and now they’re claiming its legal.

Illegal is illegal, period. I believe this document will be one of the documents presented to the Supreme Court if this law is challenged.

The Constitution didn’t change you moron! Once again, your anger proved to be your undoing.

You actually took the bait! I can’t believe you’re THAT STUPID! You took the fucking bait! This is great!

YOU ACTUALLY ENFORCED MY ARGUMENT! HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

ROFLMAO!!!!

This is a hoot! Whats_up did my work for me!

ROFLMAO!!!!

P.S. Forgive the footnote marks in the blocks. I’m laughing so hard at whats_up’s stupidity that I’m sure I missed some.

Thank you, whats_up. Once again, I sat back and let you do my work for me.
whats_up

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-20 10:53:00

King,

You obviously didnt read the decision did you? I thought not. While the Dems did claim it was illegal, the GOP claimed that it was legal, and they won and a unamious vote, it was declared constitutional, you really arent to bright are you?
whats_up

Posted by Kingfisher
2010-03-20 10:53:00

I thought you said earlier that there was no court case, and yet know you are quoting the court case that you said didnt exist? Interesting…
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

You obviously didnt read the decision did you? I thought not. While the Dems did claim it was illegal, the GOP claimed that it was legal, and they won and a unamious vote, it was declared constitutional, you really arent to bright are you?
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-20 11:13:35

That means your argument the entire time about the Republicans using an illegal procedure is another lie. You claimed that the Republicans used an illegal procedure and the court disagreed so you’ve been wrong all this time (again). Once again, you prove me correct. My previous post merely pointed out that the Democrats have two sets of standards which you fully support. Identifying the speck in my eye does not mean you do not have a log in your own eye.

This issue is different because this bill requires every American to have insurance. Apples and oranges. Obama is demanding that every American be forced to pay for health insurance. In other words, we’ll have no choice to buy insurance. Prohibition was one example, but that required a Constitutional amendment, which was later repealed.

What’s different in this instance is that several states have already prepared to challenge the ruling because they cannot afford this bill. An overwhelming majority of legal scholars agree that this bill is unconstitutional.

Obama is aware of this illegal bill which is why he’s been giving sweetheart deals, Nebraska is one. I guess “equality” to liberals is another lie, huh?
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

Actually the court decided they had no voice in how congress makes rule changes and decides thing, they didn’t say it was constitutional or proper. They just said “not our problem,” because when it comes to the “sausage making” part of legislation, the judicial department believes that is not within their power and they cannot rule on it.

This is a different sort of creature. Not only are the Democrats in the House trying to pass massive spending legislation that will change the country by “deeming” it passed, they are acting as if it is the Senate version of the bill when it is actually changed. That means they’re not just violating the clear requirements of the constitution that legislation be voted on by representatives of the states, but they are presenting a changed bill as an identical bill.

37 states is enough to pass a constitutional amendment. That’s how many oppose this bill. That’s something the Democrats need to be paying attention to. That’s how many have already passed or are working on legislation to immediately challenge this bill in court.

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