Not broken the constitution? Your kidding right? Obama spends every day flirting with that line.

Kudos to Mr. Teach for calling this moron out on his plausible-deniability-laden, attention-starving, lowest-common-denominator-appealing hate-rant for an insurrection.

Glenn Beck & Michael Savage are smiling upon him.

Plus, the left is now going to have a field-day with this. Political Animal already has a post on it.

Thank you, D Vega. I have to call right side nuts like that out when I see them.

That said, what do you think of what Grayson said?

This is a huge credibility risk by both people. What happens WHEN (not if) it doesn't occur, who will believe them?

Does the phrase, "crying wolf" mean anything?

Both of these gents are nuts. But Pelousy needs to be calling for Grayson's apology or censure, just like she did with Joe Wilson. If not she's an ineffective leader and should be recalled from her postion. But of course neither will happen, as the left is nothing if not hypocritical.

“Republicans want you to die quickly” vs Democrats want you to die slowly and painfully while you wait for care you use to receive quickly.

I have given up on the legislators even reading the bills they are voting on. Now all I hope for is these same legislators will given up their Cadilac plans and join those in America they are condemning to their healthcare plan. If it is good enough for America, it should be good enough for liberal congresscritters.

The difference is the right tends to keep their nuts out of power in Washington, except for Ron Paul.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 10:44:46

While what Grayson said was mean spirited and wrong, not to mention childish, it doesnt call for censor, as he didnt call the President a liar during a joing session of Congress. Please learn how the House works before demanding that they do something bthewolf it would really help you out. Also I notice you dont have a problem with Rep Franks from Arizona calling Obama an "enemy of humanity"

Good grief, I can agree with William & D-Vega about Michael Savage, but Glenn Beck give me a break.

Glenn is doing nothing but exposing Obummer's radical administration. Which by the way I have no problem with. As I've said many times on this site, I lived in Chicago for 25 years and I recognize the political thuggery when I see it. Obummer and his crew are trying to shove one too many things down the throats of Americans and it's not going to work.

I have to retract my previous post. I miss read what D-Vega said. I apologize.

Let's see, on the right is a lone wackjob blogger calling for a military coup. On the left is an elected Democrat member of Congress slandering an entire political party.

Perry is an idiot and has been called as much by the right. Grayson is dangerous yet the left rallies to support him.

Ko$'s site was filled with calls for armed revolution in 04. No liberals here condemned it.

Let's see, on the right is a lone wackjob blogger calling for a military coup. On the left is an elected Democrat member of Congress slandering an entire political party.

Perry is an idiot and has been called as much by the right. Grayson is dangerous yet the left rallies to support him.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-09-30 11:09:17

Mike,

You have forgotten the elected Republican member of Congress that called President Obama an "enemy of humanity". Interesting that you have no condemnation for him, why is that?

While what Grayson said was mean spirited and wrong, not to mention childish, it doesnt call for censor, as he didnt call the President a liar during a joing session of Congress. Please learn how the House works before demanding that they do something bthewolf it would really help you out. Also I notice you dont have a problem with Rep Franks from Arizona calling Obama an "enemy of humanity"

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 10:57:34

What a load of crap, not only was it mean spirited, wrong and childish, it was AN OUT RIGHT LIE!!! Unlike Joe Wilson who was telling the truth. What Joe did was rude, but he apologized. What Mr. Grayson did was worse than rude, and oustside the rules of Congress could have gotten him a slander lawsuit.

As to Mr Franks, I have heard nothing of what he may have said, and he is not the topic of conversation. If he did call Obama 'an enemy of humanity' he's right, so what's the problem.

And as far is it goes, you would do well to STFU. You're quick to attack the right and never the call out the left. So you're a partisan hack, who can go to HELL!!

While what Grayson said was mean spirited and wrong…

2009-09-30 10:57:34

So you admitted that Grayson lied but should not apologize?

Thank you for proving us right yet again.

You lied about Duke supporting Bush in 2004 and yet, have never apologized. You intentionally ignore the issue so you have no right to chastise other people.

Hypocrite.

And as far is it goes, you would do well to STFU. You're quick to attack the right and never the call out the left. So you're a partisan hack, who can go to HELL!!

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 11:28:48

So we come to the truth of the matter. When Repubs and conservatives says these things its okay, but not when Liberals or Dems do it, thats all we need to know from you bthewolf, we can now assign your posts right where they belong. Your ignorance is on display once again, thanks for confirming that.

So we come to the truth of the matter. When Repubs and conservatives says these things its okay, but not when Liberals or Dems do it, thats all we need to know from you bthewolf, we can now assign your posts right where they belong. Your ignorance is on display once again, thanks for confirming that.

2009-09-30 11:36:46

You didn't answer b's question. That is typical for a liar such as yourself. Your response of "When Repubs and conservatives says these things its okay" when bthewolf specifically called Perry wrong in his 2009-09-30 10:44:46 post.

Go ahead and criticize me while ignoring the question. Prove me right again.

Hypocrite.

What Mr. Grayson did was worse than rude, and oustside the rules of Congress could have gotten him a slander lawsuit.

What Rep Grayson did was no worse than what many of his counterparts in that body have done, lets take a look at some of the conservatives finer moments since they are whinning today:

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.), "Last week, Democrats released a health care bill which essentially said to America's seniors: drop dead."

here is another one:

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.),"make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

and yet another:

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), a doctor, who reviewed the public health insurance option in July and diagnosed that it is "gonna kill people."

as soon as you demand that these people apologize publicly you might get some support.

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-30 11:40:54

dumbass, we arent talking about Perry, really try following along.

dumbass, we arent talking about Perry, really try following along.

2009-09-30 11:42:17

Hey dumbfuck, you're still intentionally ignoring the question. Try to follow along instead of playing with your Obama blow-up doll.

John can allow this little game of "whack the troll" to continue in a means to increase blog traffic but I refuse to play along.

Whats_up intentionally tries to stir up anger with his lies. He refuses to acknowledge any lies uttered by the Democrats because he supports them.

Whats_up can go fuck himself. He'll probably enjoy that.

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-30 11:46:20

King, what question? bthewolf has made three posts on this subject today and none of them asked a question. Are you sure you know what a question is?

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-30 11:49:02

Whats a matter king, your panties in a bundle. It seems you have no problem dishing it out, but cant take it, why am I not surprised.

"You have forgotten the elected Republican member of Congress that called President Obama an "enemy of humanity". Interesting that you have no condemnation for him, why is that?"

The original context which was further clarified by Franks in a press release, was abortion policy.

You tell me: is the destruction of unborn humans pro or anti-humanity?

No matter what Obama's agenda, no matter what people think of him, he is the President, and has not broken any laws, and has not broken the Constitution.

/golf clap

Nope, the constitution is still there…

You want to take your claims a step further and tell me that obama is upholding his oath of office and supporting the constitution though?

I am missing the constitutional amendments where the president has the power to ram socialism down my throat, just because his policies are not checked and balanced by other lawmakers who have taken the same oath that they are not upholding.

Then there is that whole "taxation without representation" thing we are going through now as our taxes are increasing to pay for "stimulus" packages, and as we have been for the last 90 or so years the IRS has been operating outside of the government.

But it is ok right, because he hasn't "broken" the constitution… whatever that means.

"Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.), "Last week, Democrats released a health care bill which essentially said to America's seniors: drop dead."

here is another one:

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.),"make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

and yet another:

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), a doctor, who reviewed the public health insurance option in July and diagnosed that it is "gonna kill people."

All true. It deserves repeating.

You forgot Sarah Palin and the death panels statement, which was also true.

People don't need to apologize for telling the truth. That's why all you liberals have been in a total panic since criticism of the health care bill ramped up, and why you can't pass it despite absolute majorities in Congress.

Then there is that whole "taxation without representation" thing we are going through now as our taxes are increasing to pay for "stimulus" packages, and as we have been for the last 90 or so years the IRS has been operating outside of the government.

But it is ok right, because he hasn't "broken" the constitution… whatever that means.

Posted by Mr_e_m_t

2009-09-30 11:59:32

Except you have representation.

People don't need to apologize for telling the truth. That's why all you liberals have been in a total panic since criticism of the health care bill ramped up, and why you can't pass it despite absolute majorities in Congress.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-09-30 12:08:49

Yes again with Conservatives are telling the truth but Liberals are lying. What utter bullshit.

The original context which was further clarified by Franks in a press release, was abortion policy.

You tell me: is the destruction of unborn humans pro or anti-humanity?

Posted by Mike_M

2009-09-30 11:58:47

Ah the futhur clarified statement, only after questioned on it. Please dont try to pretend that this is anything other than it was, politics at its best. That is what he called Obama, he could have said that abortion was against humanity but he didnt, he specifically said that Obama was an "enemy to humanity." Mike dont demand something of the left that you arent willing to demand of the right, otherwise you simply are playing the game as well, I had thought better of you, but lately I question that.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 11:36:46

What ignorance are you talking about, retard? What exactly am I supposed to be IGNORANT of?

I had heard nothing of Mr. Franks comments, and thanks to you and Mike M, I understand that his comments were in regards to a discussion on abortion policy(Posted by Mike_M 2009-09-30 11:58:47 ). And since Obambi is big on supporting abortion, then yes that stance is anti-humanity. And fully agree with Mr. Franks.

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.), "Last week, Democrats released a health care bill which essentially said to America's seniors: drop dead."

here is another one:

Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.),"make sure we bring down the cost of health care for all Americans and that ensures affordable access for all Americans and is pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

and yet another:

Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.), a doctor, who reviewed the public health insurance option in July and diagnosed that it is "gonna kill people."

as soon as you demand that these people apologize publicly you might get some support.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 11:41:01

I'm sorry but cuts in Medicare funding and reductions of bene for supplemental insurance policies is bad for seniors. And that's what all the current Dem bills are calling for. Ginny Waite-Brown to paraphrase was saying that seniors are being told to F themselves with the bill she was discuss, we're gonna cut your benefits. What should she apologize for?

Virginia Fox – what did she say that wasn't true? the current plans put most descions for what care and how much treatment in govt hands, not doctor/patient hands. Meaning the govt can decide that a senior won't get care if it's too expensive. What exactly did she say that deserves an apology?

Paul Braun – Well denying care can people, look at all those countries that have socialized medicine, they deny care regularly and they are planning on doing more of it. You'd have to be an idiot to think it wouldn't happen here. So why should he apologize?

All three of these people, were refering to the BILL, not Dems as a class, Mr Grayson was quite clear in calling Reps killers. There is no comparison, the comments are not morally equivalant, and you are the idiot for trying to equate the two.

All three of these people, were refering to the BILL, not Dems as a class, Mr Grayson was quite clear in calling Reps killers. There is no comparison, the comments are not morally equivalant, and you are the idiot for trying to equate the two.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:22:32

Not having a good day there bthewolf. Mr Grayson was referring to the Republican Health Care bill, he said it numerous times, so his statement is okay since it referred to the BILL.

I had heard nothing of Mr. Franks comments, and thanks to you and Mike M, I understand that his comments were in regards to a discussion on abortion policy(Posted by Mike_M 2009-09-30 11:58:47 ).And since Obambi is big on supporting abortion, then yes that stance is anti-humanity. And fully agree with Mr. Franks.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:22:32

Except that is not what Franks said, he didnt say Obama' stance on abortion is anti-humanity, he specifically said that Obama is an "enemy to humanity". Thanks for saying that you agree with him, thats all we need to know about you. You want to hold the left accountable but not the right, you have made that very clear today.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:18:02

You're all about moral equivalence, but fail to see that these things are not equal. That's where you fail, and always will.

Calling a bill dangerous, and leading to the death of people, which is highly likely under the current plans, is not bad, and not directed at a specific person/people. So those satements are useless to support your argument. They have nothing to apologize for they didn't insult a someone.

Wilson was rude, he apologized.

Franks was over the top, but since the future of humanity is our children, any one who supports their murder is an enemy of humanity. Just because you don't care about the unborn, doesn't change the facts.

Grayson insulted/slandered ALL REPUBLICANS!! That includes me, saying that I want you to die quickly. It may not have been his full context, but it was his words.

I'm sorry but cuts in Medicare funding and reductions of bene for supplemental insurance policies is bad for seniors. And that's what all the current Dem bills are calling for.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:22:32

Oh this is rich, it was only two years ago that conservatives were calling for this same thing, why the change of heart all of a sudden. No conservative has given an answer on this…hmm.

Grayson insulted/slandered ALL REPUBLICANS!! That includes me, saying that I want you to die quickly. It may not have been his full context, but it was his words.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:37:09

No he didnt, he criticized the Repbulican PLAN, not Republicans, their PLAN, as you have so elequently pointed out that is okay to do, go cry somewhere else.

any one who supports their murder is an enemy of humanity. Just because you don't care about the unborn, doesn't change the facts.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:37:09

Did you really just call half the country an enemy of humanity? Yes you have now become the fringe wacko's that we have tried to tell you about, congrats.

Not having a good day there bthewolf. Mr Grayson was referring to the Republican Health Care bill, he said it numerous times, so his statement is okay since it referred to the BILL.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:33:34

Except that line is NOT ABOUT THE BILL!! It's about Reps. No where in your examples of did any one say they were talking about the Dems who wrote the bill, just the language of the Bill. Mr Grayson was alot more specific.

So like I said, moral equivalence, and you can F yourself.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:38:27

Conservatives were calling for cuts, but not lieing about it!! Obambi has said that he wouldn't cut benefits to seniors, but then goes adn CUTS BENEFITS. Conservatives just want to cut the program, and make it clear they are CUTTING THE PROGRAM.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:43:54

Please show me where 130+ million people have been polled in favor of abortion!!

No offense guys, but why are you responding to whats_up? He is a sockpuppet of M88tha, a gay nazi admiring leftist pos. He lies, constantly, and is here to troll, nothing more. He is also the smae as Realpolitik.

Ignore the f'ers, they have already been proven trolls.

As far as Grayson, he is merely stating what he was told to say by the Soros controlled Obamateur Administration. He is a good little liberal puppet, nothing more.

As far as people calling for revolution, Nixon sees no one here condemning Ko$ and DU for allowing those comments in 2003 thru January 2009 calling for revolution against the Bush Administration. So Nixon supposed our liberal friends are ok with that sort of thing. Also, they never condemned Bushitler, so it is ok to call Obamateur Chimpy McFascist.

Ignore the troll kids.

Conservatives were calling for cuts, but not lieing about it!! Obambi has said that he wouldn't cut benefits to seniors, but then goes adn CUTS BENEFITS. Conservatives just want to cut the program, and make it clear they are CUTTING THE PROGRAM.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:49:10

Really? Thats why they are against cutting the program then, seriously did you read what you just said, you claim conservatives want to cut the program, then why wouldnt they support cutting the program?

Except that line is NOT ABOUT THE BILL!! It's about Reps. No where in your examples of did any one say they were talking about the Dems who wrote the bill, just the language of the Bill. Mr Grayson was alot more specific.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:49:10

Obviously you again havent done your homework, MR. Grayson specifically refered to the Republican PLAN on more than one occasion. And the PLAN is fair game.

Please show me where 130+ million people have been polled in favor of abortion!!

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 12:50:11

Please show me where millions of people have been polled against abortion!!

Did you really just call half the country an enemy of humanity? Yes you have now become the fringe wacko's that we have tried to tell you about, congrats.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:43:54

So

1) You can prove that half the country supports all abortion?

2) You can show how support for the murder of babies is not anti-hmanity? And those that support it aren't enemies of humanity?

There was a time, not that long ago, when society would have(AND DID) deemed those that would kill a baby as the wacko fringe. If that's what my stance is I'm proud of it. 40+ million lives snuffed out because mommy couldn't play it safe, that's whacko, period.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 12:58:44

I'm done, you're being an idiot.

Mr. grayson may have been talking about a bill, but that one line was NOT about the bill it was about the people who wrote that bill. If you cannot see or acknowledge the difference, than it's you who has the problem. Trying to say it's me when I can see the whole picture as well as you, just makes you the idiot.

Mr. grayson may have been talking about a bill, but that one line was NOT about the bill it was about the people who wrote that bill. If you cannot see or acknowledge the difference, than it's you who has the problem. Trying to say it's me when I can see the whole picture as well as you, just makes you the idiot.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 13:08:19

Translation: You were right.

Thanks for admitting that. If you could see the whole picture we wouldnt be having this discussion. You wouldnt be trying to argue that Mr. Grayson has done something different that the other Reps, you are just pissed because he is a Dem and not one of yours.

Thanks, William, for echoing what I've been saying for years: There are idiots on both side of the aisle. Obama-Hitler comparisons are on the upswing. And they are stupid. Just as stupid as the Bush-Hitler ones were.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-30 13:18:04

You are very bad at translating if that what's you got, dumbass.

Thanks, William, for echoing what I've been saying for years: There are idiots on both side of the aisle.

Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay

2009-09-30 13:21:38

May Nixon quote you? BWHAHAHA

That said, what do you think of what Grayson said?

You're welcome, Mr. Teach. I know Mr. Hawkins over the years has been consistent in this area as well.

This is very irresponsible of John Perry and Newsmax. What they are dong here is advocating violent insurrection without the balls to come out and really just say it.

There is no such thing as a "bloodless" coup. Especially when referring specifically to the President.

Here's another citation from the column:

Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a

or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say,

“We can always worry about that later.”

Here is a pdf of the original column that has now been scrubbed, courtesy of MediaMatters:

http://tinyurl.com/yegncwu

Newsmax to me has always been hackish, and I'm sure Perry doesn't want someone to get hurt, he just wants controversy and traffic.

But what if someone buys into this line of thinking and someone else, like a Secret Service agent, gets hurt? I bet Perry would assume no responsibility.

You can cite violations of the Constitution as much as you want, even though Obama hasn't violated any. That is part of Congress' and the SCOTUS, and the DOJ's jobs. Nowhere does it say you advocate violent revolution. That's insurrection. That's true treason.

Perry sounds like one of these G20 rioters, or an old school college communist. Advocating revolution is nothing new. Nearly everyone lacks the balls to do it.

The problem is the nuts that use this excuse to committ violence against innocent people. Let's all try to temper the rhetoric. If Obama's, or whomever's, policies are so wrong, we can put new people in at any level of gov't. That's the way it works here.

And as I said, this is now huge fodder for liberals. This will be everywhere by tonight. Proof positive of conservatives advocating violence overthrow of the President. It hurts the conservative cause more than it ever could the liberal one.

And Republicans & Conservatives have no credible position on criticizing Democrats on dumb rhetoric regarding people dying from, or lack of, healthcare reform. Republicans have been doing it for weeks.

Nowhere does it say you advocate violent revolution. That's insurrection. That's true treason.

Nixon agrees. Ko$ and his posters should be in gulags.

Nixon also fondly remembers the left screaming that the ol evil Republicans were going to take old folks Social Security away a few years ago and throw granny out on the street. Now, under Obama, Social Security will begin running a deficit in a few years.

The left hates it when their own methods are used against them.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-30 13:59:47

Except we haven't been saying 'Dems want you to die'. All we've said is that these plans will lead to rationed care and that will lead to 'premature' deaths because treatment was withheld by some govt bureauweenie.

"Yes again with Conservatives are telling the truth but Liberals are lying. What utter bullshit."

Awww the troll is pissed off. Why do we bother arguing with them? This is why. To see their smarmy facade crumble when their arguments boomerang and they're forced to see the truth.

Awww the troll is pissed off. Why do we bother arguing with them? This is why. To see their smarmy facade crumble when their arguments boomerang and they're forced to see the truth.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-09-30 14:27:20

Mike,

Im not pissed off, I am laughing hysterically at the double standard that now plagues the Conservative base. After all you now have conservatives arguing for not cutting medicare, when according to bthewolf they actually want to. Ya no hypocrisy there.

Except we haven't been saying 'Dems want you to die'. All we've said is that these plans will lead to rationed care and that will lead to 'premature' deaths because treatment was withheld by some govt bureauweenie.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 14:26:03

Nor did Mr. Grayson, he said the Republican PLAN would have people die quickly, just like Repubs are claiming that the dem PLAN would do this, I challenge you bthewolf to show me where Mr. Grayson said that Republicans as people want Americans to die quickly. Since his speech is available widely on you tube feel free to let me know when you find that, I wont hold my breath.

Except we haven't been saying 'Dems want you to die'.

You haven't, but Republicans have. Also from Political Animal:

Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-Fla.) said Dem plans would tell seniors to "drop dead." Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said Democratic plans for a public option would "kill people." Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) said Dems' proposals might "put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

I mean, what else could a "death panel" do but decide that people should die?

All we've said is that these plans will lead to rationed care and that will lead to 'premature' deaths because treatment was withheld by some govt bureauweenie.

We already have rationed care. Tens of thouands die each year from lack of coverage. Or because some insurance company bureauweenie decides their policy should stop.

So if Dems want people to die, then Reps want people to die, too.

No, whats_up, he said "Republicans want you to die quickly." Direct quote.

William, just out of curiosity, have you changed your opinion of the article and author and the "Right wing wackos" with the notes that Todd posted in his own column here on RWN?

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-30 15:26:41

Yeha because you say so!!! comomn Vega, like it or not the statements are not the same. And insurance companies get into lots of trouble for denying coverage. Who's going to hold the feds accountable? It's huge difference, and any attepmt to equate them is disingenous. But please keep trying.

Because I say what, wolf? Is there something that I said that you think is not true, or I'm just making up?

William, just out of curiosity, have you changed your opinion of the article and author and the "Right wing wackos" with the notes that Todd posted in his own column here on RWN?

Not me. Just because the guy was a Dem at some point doesn't mean he is a liberal.

He is writing for a conservative "news" site, and he is reciting and embellishing claptrap for the hateful conservative masses.

Interesting. Hadn't seen that yet. But, on the flip side, Newsmax is a decidedly Conservative magazine, and someone somewhere within the ranks approved of that article going up on the site. It was a standard article, rather than some sort of blog post.

I do think we have some unhinged folks on our side, though, really, they are way on the fringe. I'll admit, I cannot stand Michael Savage and others who are way fringe and angry. And, for the most part, these folks stay on the fringe of our party, no matter how much folks like Excitable Chucky, Dingy Harry, Obama, etc, try to mainstream them, unlike the kooks on the left, who tend to be the mainstream.

No, whats_up, he said "Republicans want you to die quickly." Direct quote.

Posted by William_Teach

2009-09-30 15:31:32

William,

Could you point to the spot in the video where he says that please.

We already have rationed care. Tens of thouands die each year from lack of coverage. Or because some insurance company bureauweenie decides their policy should stop.

So if Dems want people to die, then Reps want people to die, too.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-30 15:26:41

Does this ring a bell Vega?

Care to provide PROOF that tens of thousnads of people die EACH year from lack of coverage?

Care to show us where care is rationed vs insurance coveraged denied, they are different you know? Just because insurance doesn't cover it doesn't mean you can't have the procedure.

No, whats_up, he said "Republicans want you to die quickly." Direct quote.

Posted by William_Teach

2009-09-30 15:31:32

William,

You left out a little bit of his quote there. What he said was this.

The Republican Health care plan is this…die quickly, thats right the Republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick.

While still childish, it helps to understand that he was talking about the Republican health care plan, just like Repubs are talking about the Dem health care plan when using such things as "death panels" and the dems want seniors to drop dead. All are childish and beneath true debate, which it seems at this point neither party wants.

Just because insurance doesn't cover it doesn't mean you can't have the procedure.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-30 16:06:45

Sure, sure, beacause everyone can fork out $50,000 on a procedure no problem.

Does this ring a bell Vega?

Yes, that does. I just am not sure why you are questioning it.

Care to provide PROOF that tens of thousnads of people die EACH year from lack of coverage?

Lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when the study was done and who now teaches at the University of Washington Medical School, said, "The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health. We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease – but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking education, income and many other factors including smoking, drinking and obesity into account. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.

Previous estimates from the IOM and others had put that figure near 18,000. The methods used in the current study were similar to those employed by the IOM in 2002, which in turn were based on a pioneering 1993 study of health insurance and mortality.

http://www.physorg.com/news172424058.html

Care to show us where care is rationed vs insurance coveraged denied, they are different you know?

Rationing is defined as "to restrict the consumption of", and that is what the insurance companies do. They can't pay out every claim and every procedure. That is part of their job. Without the many laws and lawsuits, they would be rationing even more. They are no more accountable then the Federal Gov't is in this respect.

All they need is some sort of excuse and they can drop coverage. It's in their best interests to cover people with chronic long-term illnesses, then cover someone who will die in 1 year and will need hundreds of thousands of dollars in care.

Just because insurance doesn't cover it doesn't mean you can't have the procedure.

So the same would apply to a public option. You don't like the restrictions of a public option? Then buy a private policy.

He is writing for a conservative "news" site, and he is reciting and embellishing claptrap for the hateful conservative masses.

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And Greg Gutfield wrote regularly for the Huffington post int eh apst.. that sure as heck don't make him a liberal…

So your logic, Vega, is.. if a liberal writes for a conservative magazine, it's not necessarily a "counter-argument", but it's a conservative talking point?

So by that logic, anti-abortion is now a liberal standing (Because Gutfield wrote that on the Huff post once.)

Deporting Illegal immigrants is now a liberal standing point, because George will wrote that for Time once…

The NYT is now officially 'anti-Obamacare" cause Rudy Guliani wrote an op-ed for their magazine..

The gaps in your logic are astounding, D.

And bwtw.. Vega.. I call "BS" on your claim:

"He is writing for a conservative "news" site, and he is reciting and embellishing claptrap for the hateful conservative masses. "

Other than Michael Savage (who I cannot stand), find me one conservative voice that has spoken out DIRECTLY in favor of armed rebellion… and I'm not referring to some podunk anarchist believer that "claims" to be a conservative.. and I'm talking about a MAINSTREAM conservative voice (not a RINO either).

Just one that promotes a rebellion.. (Kinda like how Randi Rhodes on-air promoted the assassination of President Bush).

Markus, granted, someone on the other side can write for a liberal or conservative site.

However, there is no proof of this guy's political affiliation. Working in a POTUS admin is not proof of affiliation. All we have to go with is what he said and where he said it.

And that adds up to conservative.

Directly called for rebellion? Well, this guy didn't directly call for rebellion either. That's the game that's played.

But Glenn Beck has done the same, as well as other commentors on Fox News. And various radio hosts.

However, there is no proof of this guy's political affiliation

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Sorry D.. but if you're a Democrat and you take a position in a Democratic office, unless you say otherwise, you're NOT a conservative. I'll even give the benefit of a doubt to someone who "says" their a moderate.. but he doesn't appear to fit that bill either.

Unlike true wackos (again, usually 'anarchists' that claim one side or the other.. or people that want the general public wants nothing to do with.. (Buchanan, Duke)), why hide your political stances, unless you're trying to manipulate something.

Can you cite specific instances of Beck and other Fox News folks saying that, Vega?

And that adds up to conservative.

Actually, only the location is conservative, what he said was apolitical nonsense. Given his record, he's no conservative, he's at best a moderate Democrat.

And when I heard that about Grayson, my first thought was, "as opposed to Democrats who want us to wait at least 6 months for treatments that would start tomorrow under the current system, and then, if we have the nerve to still be alive, they might underpay some poor doctor to administer a treatment considered cutting edge 20 years ago. And if all that doesn't kill you, then you can say the Democrats certainly aren't all for you dying quickly."

Of course, I'm not sure what the resident trolls think will happen when ever larger amounts are cut from MediCare without those same cuts being targetted. You can say that those cuts will "cut waste and fraud" all you want, but when faced with less money and no specifics on what is to shrink, the last thing a bureaucracy does is starve itself. We can all feel good knowing that when health care demand lowers due to premature death from lack of treatment, those well-paid bureaucrats will get to spend lots of time surfing the net for porn from their government computers.

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