The Obama Administration: Ignorance Of The Law Is Their Excuse

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The Obama Administration: Ignorance Of The Law Is Their Excuse

Written By : John Hawkins

The ignorance of Barack Obama and the people in his administration is just astounding. Eric Holder has criticized the Arizona immigration law although he admits he hasn’t read it. Now Janet Napolitano is saying it’s a “bad law enforcement.” Unfortunately, both Holder and Napolitano are following in the footsteps of Barack Obama who got the basic facts about how the law works wrong by claiming that, “suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed.”

Here’s the thing: this isn’t one of these 2000 page bills that the Democrats have been forcing through Congress lately. It’s a short bill. You can read through it in a few minutes time. Yet, they don’t feel the need to bother.

However, we’re supposed to believe that these are the very same people who are so intelligent, so competent, and so well prepared, that we can trust them to run half of society. They’ve taken over the car companies, the banks, student loans, and your health care. They’re even deciding what lightbulbs you get to use in your home and they’re talking about picking what news sources you’re going to be seeing.

Yet, they’re failing at everything they attempt. The stimulus bill was a disaster. The BP oil spill? It’s Obama’s Katrina. The Arizona Immigration Law? Not only will they not enforce the law, they don’t want Arizona to enforce the law, and they can’t even be bothered to learn what they’re talking about. If you trust politicians like that with as much power over your life as they already have, then you’re a fool and almost as ignorant as the Obama Administration is about the new immigration law in Arizona.

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“The stimulus bill was a disaster.”

I disagree, John. The stimulus bill accomplished exactly what they thought it would accomplish, a massive transfer of wealth from future generations to the Democratic Party's primary backers and constituencies.

It's not their fault that the American public assumed that it was to create jobs.
Lee

Next time you get stopped by a cop, try this.

“Officer, I will now channel Attorney General Eric Holder. I realize what I did may have been wrong, but I haven't read the law and am convinced it is unconstitutional.”

You may get enough of a laugh to get a pass.
UFKA_Smithwick

It is not necessary to understand in order to hate. In fact it tends to get in the way.

They simply know that people they don't like support it.
D-Vega

First of all, there's no excuse not to simply read that law, or have someone explain to you the wording. Next a few things.

Unfortunately, both Holder and Napolitano are following in the footsteps of Barack Obama who got the basic facts about how the law works wrong by claiming that, “suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed.”

The original law was written that way, only requiring “lawful contact” in order to inquire about citizenship.

They've taken over the car companies, the banks, student loans, and your health care.

I don't know what “they” you refer to. Because the gov't hasn't taken over any of those industries.

The stimulus bill was a disaster.

The stimulus bill, while far from perfect, was nowhere near a disaster. Jobs were saved, hundreds of billions were given in tax cuts. And the economy has grown now for two consecutive quarters. Unemployment is a lagging factor, and even now we had the best jobs report in 4 years. The stock market is up from the dreadful levels in 2007 & 2008.

The BP oil spill? It's Obama's Katrina.

That's the right wing meme (of course since Limbaugh started it) but it is far from the truth. The Obama admin has been all over this from the beginning, an American city is not underwater right now with hundreds dead while the President fiddled, and the process was being address immediately. It is a shitty situation, but not as shitty as Katrina.

Mind you, I don't blame Bush for the majority of the Katrina response, but if you want to compare the two, Bush failed bigtime politically.

The Arizona Immigration Law? Not only will they not enforce the law, they don't want Arizona to enforce the law, and they can't even be bothered to learn what they're talking about.

Deportations have gone up under this admin than under Bush. There has been alot more enforcement under this admin.

And what has generally been said about the AZ law is truthful and accurate.

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“The original law was written that way, only requiring “lawful contact” in order to inquire about citizenship.”

You need to learn what “lawful contact” means. come back when you have.

“I don't know what “they” you refer to. Because the gov't hasn't taken over any of those industries.” (car companies, the banks, student loans, and your health care)

The US government now owns 63% of General Motors, and at least as much of Chrysler, after seizing them in violation of US bankruptcy law.

The US government has wiped out the private student loan industry in favor of a US government run program.
The healthcare law (Obamacare) was a back door method to a government controlled single payer system, and has been exposed as such already, and gives the US government complete control over all aspects of the healthcare system.
The current regulatory bill being shoved through Congress is a way to do the same thing to the banks; if it passes, the government will micromanage the banks in this country.

So tell me, where was he wrong, Vega?

“The stimulus bill, while far from perfect, was nowhere near a disaster.”

The “stimulus” bill was never intended to create or save jobs in the private workforce. It was used to payback Democratic supporters (unions, environmental groups, etc..) Yes, it's been a disaster. $1trillion and not a single private job was saved or created by it.

“The Obama admin has been all over this from the beginning…”

Yes, pointing fingers.

“…an American city is not underwater right now with hundreds dead while the President fiddled…”

No, half the Gulf's fishing industry lay dying while the Interior Secretary was rafting in the Grand Canyon with his wife. Sorry, your side started this stuff with Katrina. The Left knew damn well that FEMA wasn't intended for the purpose it was used for in New Orleans, but since the President was crucified for something outside of the Federal Government's control, you get to endure this crap.

“Deportations have gone up under this admin than under Bush. There has been alot more enforcement under this admin. “

Yeah, we hated Bush for that. What's your point?

D-Vega

You need to learn what “lawful contact” means. come back when you have.

Done and done. Do you know what it means? Because it means literally any contact a police officer has with you which is not illegal.

The US government now owns 63% of General Motors, and at least as much of Chrysler, after seizing them in violation of US bankruptcy law.

That’s one company. I wouldn’t agree with that either, but it ain’t the whole auto industry by far.

The US government has wiped out the private student loan industry in favor of a US government run program.

That not only didn’t happen, but wasn’t even that much of a change from when I went to college, the Federal Direct Loan. You want a student loan from a bank? Walk into any bank and apply for one.

The healthcare law (Obamacare) was a back door method to a government controlled single payer system, and has been exposed as such already, and gives the US government complete control over all aspects of the healthcare system.

If that’s so, it’s the worst back-door method in human history. It didn’t even give one iota of a public option, and will be a boon to the private industry. Next.

The current regulatory bill being shoved through Congress is a way to do the same thing to the banks; if it passes, the government will micromanage the banks in this country.

The gov’t needs to manage the banks in this country a lot better. Maybe then they wouldn’t be threatening to collapse our economy every 10 yrs or so. The reg bill in congress right now LACKS TEETH.

So tell me, where was he wrong, Vega?

With everything Mr. Hawkins stated. The only place where he was correct is that anyone who criticizes the bill, should read the bill first.

The “stimulus” bill was never intended to create or save jobs in the private workforce.

And yet, contrary to that rightwing meme, it did.

It was used to payback Democratic supporters (unions, environmental groups, etc..) Yes, it's been a disaster. $1trillion and not a single private job was saved or created by it.

Nonsense. First of all, a huge chunk was tax cuts, something the right is supposed to advocate. Secondly, the public contracts give out to companies for projects are private companies.

Yes, pointing fingers.

Pointing fingers at the right people, including themselves. How else could they have handled it? How would a conservative have handled it? Any differently?

No, half the Gulf's fishing industry lay dying while the Interior Secretary was rafting in the Grand Canyon with his wife.

That was within the first few days, and a deputy sec had already been assigned as the pointman.

Moreover, the leak wasn’t originally supposed to be as bad, according to BP.

Sorry, your side started this stuff with Katrina. The Left knew damn well that FEMA wasn't intended for the purpose it was used for in New Orleans, but since the President was crucified for something outside of the Federal Government's control, you get to endure this crap.

No, I don’t. But thank you for admitting this “Obama’s Katrina” thing is horseshit.

Yeah, we hated Bush for that. What's your point?

My point is the fed is enforcing the law better than the supposed conservative Republican predecessor. They need to do a better job, but they are enforcing the law, so that was not accurate either.

I hope that clears it up a little.

TheDickNixon

Bush wasn't a conservative Vega. His fiscal spending and failure to seal the border and stem the tide of illegal aliens prove that fact.

D-Vega

Flagged for being a lame-ass excuse.
TheDickNixon

Truth hurts. Flag that dirt eater.

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“Done and done. Do you know what it means? Because it means literally any contact a police officer has with you which is not illegal.”

Apparently not “done.” You need to dig a little deeper. For example, a police officer does not have the legal right to detain you without reasonable suspicion, and since racial profiling is expressly forbidden in the law, suspicion of being an illegal immigrant does not qualify. The Supreme Court has ruled that a police officer may only detain a person if the officer has “reasonable, articulable suspicion of criminal activity.” So no, just taking your kid out to get ice cream without your papers doesn't mean you're going to get harassed.

Federal immigration law does allow for that however.

“That’s one company. I wouldn’t agree with that either, but it ain’t the whole auto industry by far.”

Umm, no. That's two companies out of a grand total of three based in the United States. Try again.

“That not only didn’t happen, but wasn’t even that much of a change from when I went to college, the Federal Direct Loan. You want a student loan from a bank? Walk into any bank and apply for one.”

The Federal government disagrees with you
SF Gate
Wall Street Journal

If that’s so, it’s the worst back-door method in human history. It didn’t even give one iota of a public option, and will be a boon to the private industry. Next.

Is that why so many corporations are contemplating dumping the employer provided healthcare plans? Face it, it was a pathetic excuse of a bill, and it is far from what they wanted (a single payer system, day one), but it achieved two things for them. 1) It creates another massive transfer of income from the earners to the lower class, and 2) It will lead to a single payer system as employers continue to drop coverage, which was its intent.

The gov’t needs to manage the banks in this country a lot better. Maybe then they wouldn’t be threatening to collapse our economy every 10 yrs or so. The reg bill in congress right now LACKS TEETH.

That's the dumbest shit you've said on here in a long time, D-Vega. Banks are the second most regulated industry in the United States behind nuclear power. Name another industry that a federal auditor has the right to enter a private business, review every transaction you have made, and punish you if they don't meet with that auditor's approval. They can force banks to make loans, prevent them from making loans, and instruct them who they are allowed to make loans to. If the bank is in trouble, unlike any other industry, they can force it into receivership without even petitioning the bankruptcy court, or any court.

Name any other industry that the government is allowed to micromanage at that level. The idea that banks aren't regulated is nothing but political horseshit. It's a way for the people who are truly responsible for this mess to defer blame, and exert even more control over private business.

As a banker told me last week, the bill before Congress isn't regulation. It will completely destroy private banking in this country.

“No, I don’t. But thank you for admitting this “Obama’s Katrina” thing is horseshit.”

It's every bit as much horseshit as Bush's Katrina, so yeah, it's Obama's Katrina. He gets to get blasted over something outside of his control, just like Bush.

“My point is the fed is enforcing the law better than the supposed conservative Republican predecessor. They need to do a better job, but they are enforcing the law, so that was not accurate either.”

So Obama isn't ignoring the law quite as well as the last Administration, and that somehow makes it ok? No, you don't get a pass just because Bush was on the wrong side of this issue too.

“I hope that clears it up a little.”

It pretty much shows that you're willing to ignore and overlook a whole lot of facts and information in order to hold your position.

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…continued

“And yet, contrary to that rightwing meme, it did.”

Yeah, it created a negative 2 million jobs at last count.

“Nonsense. First of all, a huge chunk was tax cuts, something the right is supposed to advocate. Secondly, the public contracts give out to companies for projects are private companies.

First, a tax credit isn't a tax cut, it's welfare. The Left has to give it an Orwellian name like “tax credit” because “handout” is just too honest.

Second, a whole lot of those “outside contracts” are the labor unions, community activists, and enviro groups. Less than 5% went to construction projects like roads and trains.

Unemployment benefits, tax credits (handouts), ACORN payoffs, housing weatherization, NASA climate research, repairs at the Department of Agriculture, cash for (foreign)clunkers, advanced batteries grants, Health coverage to IRS workers laid off due to outsourcing overseas, grant to the Smithsonian, education for disadvantaged children, increased Pell Grants, etc. don't count as stimulus, no matter how much you want them to.

For the record, there was $29 billion in highway funds included in the stimulus, 3.6% of the $800 billion total.

Tell me how you can look at this list and find anything that would lead a reasonable person to believe that its intention was to create jobs.
Final Stimulus Bill

TheDickNixon

The Dow Jones Industrial Average in 2007 moved from 12,600 on 1-24-07 to 14,279 in October of that year.

True unemployment is in the 17% range, with the official government number of 9.9%. in 2007, the number was in the 4.7 to 5.7% range.

Home foreclosures hit record numbers in APril 2010.

Just a few facts.

D-Vega

What was the true unemployment under Bush, Nixon?

And who was President when the Dow tanked and we were losing 500K jobs a month?

TheDickNixon

Bush. He isn't in office now. Pelosi and Reid took the purse strings in January 2007. They are not Republicans.

This wonderful recovery you Obots are proclaiming isn't really based in reality very much. Tell the unemployed about the recovery Vega. Without the stimulus unemployment was forecast to hit 8%. With it, it has hit 10%. A $1.5 trillion dollar Obama deficit must be a sign of a roaring economy as well, eh Vega?

D-Vega

Home foreclosures? LOL. The same mortgages that the conservatives didn't want the gov't to help readjust?

TheDickNixon

flagged for strawman.

TheDickNixon

We also have seen a large number of government jobs and temporary census worker jobs added lately.

Just a fact.
TheDickNixon

from moonbattery. A section of the California Penal Code that no one is complaining about.

“Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. “

Why no outrage?