Does this post explain jack schite then?

Surprise? No. Obama is leaving Nixon in the dust in terms of paranoia and angry, thin-skinned, panic over criticism or disagreement.

In the meantime, hi White House trolls! It's enormous fun pissing you guys off. Hope nobody is giving you performance reviews because judging by the quality of the opposition around here lately, you're likely to get fired.

So, for years we heard about Bush's "warrentless wiretaps," (surprisingly, the loon opposition to that program ended on 1/20/09), yet, here we have the DoJ violating our 1st and 4th Amendment Rights. Surprise!

I would suggest everyone write their congress critters, even if Democrat, see if they are even interested in this blatant violation of our Constitution.

If they're using public funds to promote a partisan agenda, then YES it's illegal and can be added to the ever growing list of crimes the Obama Maladministration should be hounded for by a special persecutor after January 2012.

Really, it's just astounding the degree to which Obama has cavalierly trampled on centuries of government tradition in this country in pursuit of his own ends. Freedom of Speech, appearance of impropriety, basic fairness, all thrown under the bus by this thug.

I think my first attempt to comment vanished into a spam filter. Let me try again.

I'm not sure why the Justice Department would need to do something like that to begin with. The MSN is already filling that function, not to mention SNOPES.com.

Mike_M – I've also noticed Nixonian traits in the current administration. That's not a good sign for them, and they don't even have an antagonistic press to deal with.

Nixonian traits

Master Nixon (Peace Be Upon Him) was framed by John Mitchell and John Dean. Remember that. LOL :)

Actually, this internet snooping explains Charles Johnson's trolling conservative websites daily. He claims it is to ban any of his users bad mouthing him. Apparently, he is working with the Administration. Nixon suspected this was happening.

Supposedly Axelrod met with Fox News's founder the other day to complaint that Fox News doesn't kiss Obama's ass enough.

WHAT a crybaby! He's got NBC, CBS, and ABC publically felating Obama ("Did you see that! He was eating M&M's!!!)… he's even got CNN "fact checking" Saturday Night Live routines…

And it's not enough fawning for Obama! No, he's whining that Fox News doesn't do its share!!

Just an amazing girlyboy. Man up, Obama.

After all, after nearly a year in office, we have yet to see the end Obama’s constant blaming of Bush for every little problem he runs up against not to mention the constant campaign speeches and appearances on TV at every hour, day and night.

Well that's not true. Remember that time when Obama tried blaming his horoscope for his own failures? Technically he wasn't blaming Bush that time.

Does this post explain jack schite then?

2009-10-07 08:50:52

Jack, plus hoggo, Reallunatic, etc.

The frequency of these trolls has risen sharply in the last few weeks. I really believe there is a coordinated effort to try to infiltrate right-leaning political websites. Whether Obama has initiated this effort or the left in general is unknown.

Should anyone be surprised? When he was elected, we all knew he had no experience whatsoever in leadership. His past experience is as a political campaigner and 'community organizer', and that's exactly what he continues to use the office to do.

"he's even got CNN "fact checking" Saturday Night Live routines…"

It wasn't just CNN either. Yahoo!'s head blogger produced a SNL fact checking article the same day. Not surprisingly, the article concluded that the SNL skit was wrong on every count.

I can't recall any fact checking articles being written about previous SNL skits spoofing political figures. In fact, so little fact checking of SNL skits was done, that the MSM has frequently quoted SNL's skits about Palin rather than Palin herself, leading to the widespread impression that Palin actually said things which came from a SNL skit.

It did, Steve, sitting in pending. Since you were able to repost, I'm going to wack the original, OK?

I think it would be hilarious if SNL now does a skit lampooning the "fact checkers" supposedly "fact checking" a comedy routine.

That would be classic.

What an administration "of cowards."

"The frequency of these trolls has risen sharply in the last few weeks. I really believe there is a coordinated effort to try to infiltrate right-leaning political websites."

Not every liberal who posts here is a plant, but some certainly are. Their patterns are too obvious and they don't fit the MO of the typical menagerie of internet trolls. They can also be counted on to pop up in direct response to poignant posts that are damaging to the left, or in threads on their favorite topics (Palin, Obamacare, etc).

They've also been (rather poorly) schooled in Alinsky attack methods, personalizing their responses, moving the goalposts, and trying to disrupt productive discussions. They're also eager to goad or bait the regulars into making threats or racist remarks, doubtlessly so they can tattle and have the site discredited (like how R.S. McCain is suddenly a "white supremacist" without the slightest bit of proof).

I would encourage Hawkins and the mods to do some counterintsurgency. Record these people's IP addresses, and do a little research to see if their names or writing sytles pop up on other sites. The left likes to hire dimwits to do their dirty work because their sloppiness creates a built-in fall guy. I suspect a little digging would turn up some very interesting results.

If true, this is a bad move and possibly illegal move by the DOJ, which is not tasked with this kind of thing. If political parties want to do it, then by all means, that's the way it works here.

The DOJ's primary objective is to enforce the law. Put the bad guys away. It should not be used for astrotrufing.

But you will have to forgive me if I don't put that much stock into a story being broke by a blog. I think we need something close to neutral corraboration. The WAPO citation doesn't do that. No disrespect to the "Muffled Oar" blog intended.

If true, this is a bad move and possibly illegal move by the DOJ, which is not tasked with this kind of thing. If political parties want to do it, then by all means, that's the way it works here.

But don't isn't it EXACTLY the sort of thing you'd expect from the maladministration that brought us flag@whitehouse.gov, a public site, to facilitate neighbor snitching on neighbor? Honestly, D-Vega: didn't THAT outrage you?

Put another way, if BUSH had set up patriots@whitehouse.gov and asked us to snitch on you for opposing his policies in Iraq, would you be quite as calm about it as you are about THAT?

Yeah, D-Vega, but isn't that exactly what you would expect from an administration that – in a chilling move unprecedented in all American history – has asked the public to turn in their fellow Americans at flag@whitehouse.gov?

Put another way – what would your reaction have been if Bush made the same request of Americans, to report suppsoed untruths about the war in Iraq?

It did, Steve, sitting in pending. Since you were able to repost, I'm going to wack the original, OK?

Please do, William. I just wish I could figure out why HTML tags behave differently for comments on this site than from others. The perfectionist in me hates sees the poor formatting in my comments. :)

Put another way – what would your reaction have been if Bush made the same request of Americans, to report suppsoed untruths about the war in Iraq?

Posted by CoolCzech 2009-10-07 10:01:55

Sputtering rage, uncontrolled screaming, demands for Congressional investigations, and demonstrations of 'Impeach Bush'. And that is not even to mention the wailing and gnashing of teeth, telling us all how Bush and Cheney are 'shredding the Constitution'.

But since it is his lord and master Obama behind it, D-Vega urges that we should show restraint, while we castigate and investigate the blogger that broke the story.

Because after all, no mere blogger could possibly break a story that would damage a President (Matt Drudge)!

I think we need something close to neutral corraboration.

Yeah, where's the NY Times on this? I won't believe it until they print it.

/moonbat

That wasn't a good idea either, Czech, but this is much different. This is the U.S. Dept of Justice.

Not every liberal who posts here is a plant

I dunno — I'd classify them in the "vegetable" category.

I get an error page everytime I post. It's been that way since the revamp. Also, I wonder where the preview option went.

Sputtering rage, uncontrolled screaming, demands for Congressional investigations, and demonstrations of 'Impeach Bush'. And that is not even to mention the wailing and gnashing of teeth, telling us all how Bush and Cheney are 'shredding the Constitution'.

In other words, the standard Liberal reaction every time Bush took a breath.

That wasn't a good idea either, Czech, but this is much different. This is the U.S. Dept of Justice.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 10:14:41

A different tactic? maybe…..but a fruit off the same tree? YES!

Dont, for one second, act suprised that obama and co. are doing this.

I should make it clear though, as a capitalist that posts here largely as recreation, a mere $10,000 will buy my silence until after the 2010 election. With $1.2 trillion of bailout and Porkulus money flying around, it's a small price for the liberals to pay to shield this sites 12,000 or so unique daily visitors from my scathing commentary.

it's a small price for the liberals to pay to shield this sites 12,000 or so unique daily visitors from my scathing commentary.

Posted by Mike_M 2009-10-07 10:24:32

Said in all humility! Good one, Mike_M!

Mr Huston first criticizes a story about Meg Whitman as "lightly sourced" amd possibly inaccurate, and then comes up with a post even more lightly sourced. Based on that very tiny tidbit of possible disinformation, the right wing type who live in this part of the woods come racing out to accuse the Obama Administration of violations of the Constitution, dishonesty, etc etc Those who disagree with you become "trolls" who must – not possibly, but MUST – be working for the DoJ's evil effort to mislead the innocent voters of America.

Look at liberal-side blogs. You will find all sorts of right wing types using different names to endless repeat the same "conservative" talking points. Gee, who is organizing them?

Fact is, the world of political blogs – supposedly the world's ultimate example of freedom of speech and freedom of dissent, has been corrupted by paranoia, dishonesty and hypocrisy. Right Wing News, like many of the others, has become a zoo, populated by species of rabid animals who mistake hatred for others for political thought, and who regard any means – regardless of its dishonesty – as justified by their absolute faith in what someone else told them to believe.

PS – I am not an employee of the D o J, or of any media organization I am not even a Democrat. I'm just a guy who came here hoping to learn something, and found out that all I was going to learn was that most of those who haunt political blogs are vicious, narrow minded cretins.

PS – I am not an employee of the D o J, or of any media organization I am not even a Democrat. I'm just a guy who came here hoping to learn something, and found out that all I was going to learn was that most of those who haunt political blogs are vicious, narrow minded cretins.

Posted by boatman47 2009-10-07 10:27:44

Well, then… BYE!

Yeah, where's the NY Times on this? I won't believe it until they print it. /moonbat

Excuse me if I don't cream at the every mention of accusation that whiffs from the crap-o-sphere, Cav.

I'm just a guy who came here hoping to learn something, and found out that all I was going to learn was that most of those who haunt political blogs are vicious, narrow minded cretins.

Posted by boatman47

2009-10-07 10:27:44

Yet you stay here. Since we aren't teaching you anything, and we don't care to here from you, why are you here? To troll, nothing more.

Look at liberal-side blogs. You will find all sorts of right wing types using different names to endless repeat the same "conservative" talking points. Gee, who is organizing them?

Yeah, sure.

I am not an employee of the D o J, or of any media organization I am not even a Democrat.

OK, how about "anarchist?" Socialist? Communist? Do those terms fit your profile?

I'm just a guy who came here hoping to learn something, and found out that all I was going to learn was that most of those who haunt political blogs are vicious, narrow minded cretins.

2009-10-07 10:27:44

You're one of MANY leftists who say the VERY….SAME….THING. "I come here, blah blah blah, to learn something, blah blah blah, cretins."

You have no such intention. Stop lying and go fuck yourself.

I don't come here to learn. I come here to politically spar, as that is not welcome in the workplace, with friends and with family like it used to be or should be.

"I come here to politically spar, as that is not welcome in the workplace, with friends and with family like it used to be or should be."

What, people disagree when you suggest Obama should take all their money and tell them what to do? How impolite of them.

No, Mike. I live in NY. I am more libertarian according to local ideaology.

What, people disagree when you suggest Obama should take all their money and tell them what to do? How impolite of them.

Posted by Mike_M 2009-10-07 10:58:32

If D-Vega 'politically spars' with friends and family and co-workers like he does on here… with lies, threats, and abject cowardise; it is little wonder why he is not welcome in those places.

I didn't say I wasn't welcome, Baud. You're starting to lie already and it's not even noon yet.

I didn't say I wasn't welcome, Baud. You're starting to lie already and it's not even noon yet.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-07 11:14:47

Oh Look. The little coward has responded.

No, you didn't say you were not welcome. You said your attitude and your opinions are not welcome. So sad for you. Maybe if you were less of a classless asshole, your friends, family, and co-workers would welcome your opinion.

Excuse me if I don't cream at the every mention of accusation that whiffs from the crap-o-sphere, Cav.

It's okay. We know you save that particular reaction for Obama speeches.

I get an error page everytime I post.

Soes it say something like "CAUTION: Liberal bullshit detected in post?"

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 11:14:47

Perhaps they dont want to hear a mindless obama-tron that has his entire existance wrapped up in defending that clown of a presidents every actions. I wouldnt want to hear that either. Nobody can honestly defend everything they guy does, but you seem to do it in a round about way.

No, you didn't say you were not welcome. You said your attitude and your opinions are not welcome.

I said politically sparring is not welcome, you pathetic liar.

I mean, my statement was only a few posts above yours and you still attempt to sound like you actually know what you are talking about. You can't see me, but if I were in front of you, I would be pointing and laughing.

So sad for you. Maybe if you were less of a classless asshole, your friends, family, and co-workers would welcome your opinion.

aw… look. Baud is trying weally, weally hard, and still epic fail.

"I am more libertarian according to local ideaology."

New York libertarian. That must mean you have the liberty to actually pay more taxes to your local government than to the Feds.

No wonder you're such a cheerleader for Obamacare. So many businesses are fleeing New York your wonderful liberal Democrat governor just had to gut health care to the tune of $3.3 billion. Good thing he also slashed education funding so the people there will be too stupid to know what's happening.

It's okay. We know you save that particular reaction for Obama speeches.

It depends on the speech. I know it happens when I smack down opponents.

Soes it say something like "CAUTION: Liberal bullshit detected in post?"

I think it constantly checks my "Wingnut Temporary Guest Pass ©" that I just keep renewing every month or so for 4 years.

when I smack down opponents

So you hang out on other web sites? That's the only explanation for your claim. The only thing I've ever seen you "smack down" is your head to the ground when Obama's name is mentioned.

C'mon, Cav. Your retort was good, and I came up with the best I could.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 11:42:05

LOL, that was funny!!

aw… look. Baud is trying weally, weally hard, and still epic fail.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-07 11:42:05

Awww… Look. D-Vega actually responded to a current post without running away for hours on end and thenposting in the hopes that everyone had left and he'd get the precious last word in.

Ain't he cute, folks. Come back tomorrow for more of his insightful wisdom.

Still waiting for Baud to provide something of value or substance…

Still waiting for Baud to provide something of value or substance…

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-07 12:49:46

Still waiting on you to provide proof of your accusations, D-Vega.

boatman47, you have a little problem with reading comprehension, it appears. I am not presenting this story as FACT. I am presenting is as possible. Notice the question mark in the title? Notice how I said "apparently" in the first few words? I present this story, you decide if it's true. I didn't say it was. On the other hand, the story you referenced that I was critical of presented Whitman's supposed lack of registration as a FACT and the truth is that fact isn't as easy to establish as the Sac. Bee presented it all as. Do try harder to pay attention, eh?

Posted by tblrk2006

2009-10-07 11:27:02

Perhaps they dont want to hear a mindless obama-tron that has his entire existance wrapped up in defending that clown of a presidents every actions.

Sorry, tblrk2006, but Vega lives in New York. That's pretty much all they want to hear around here (except maybe S.I. or Bay Ridge).

I don't see this being illegal, but it is pretty thin skinned and absurd. President Bush didn't try hard enough to fight and get his word out, this guy throws a fit when anyone dares disagree. Couldn't we get someone in the middle? For all his faults at least President Clinton handled things better than this.

I present this story, you decide if it's true.

That's not the way journalism works. You present a story that has been fact-checked, in order to maintain credibility as an honest source of true information.

Otherwise, you can make up anything and let people "decide" if its true. That's what the Weekly World Report does, right?

This is Right Wing News, not Right Wing MaybeNews.

I actually think its a bit more serious than that, CT.

It would be like a mayor using the police to hand out election flyers.

That's not the way journalism works. You present a story that has been fact-checked, in order to maintain credibility as an honest source of true information.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-07 16:08:11

If only Liberals would use that same standard when it came to ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/NYT, etc.

Yeah I guess so Vega, either way it just is inappropriate. Not that anyone will do a damn thing about it.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 16:08:11

May Nixon quote you in a email to MSNBC?

If only Liberals would use that same standard when it came to ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/NYT, etc.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-10-07 16:23:51

As you would do….when considering that Fox news is the largest audiences that concernces audience share.

You guys win…it's time to stop argueing that you aren't part of the MSM. You are.

Fox News is part of the MSM.

Look at your own stats…

Look at your own stats…

Posted by rmiller 2009-10-07 16:41:10

And why do you think that is, rmiller? One network that has eclipsed all the others? And yet you and your Liberal kind screech and rail and whine and moan about 'Faux-News' and how partisan they are.

One network against all the rest and you can't stand it.

Your statement that Fox News is a part of the MSM makes you a minority in Liberal-world. Careful they don't take your membership care away for admitting that!

Fox News has the largest audience share of cable news shows. ABC, NBC, CBS all get more viewers. And if you think one show is a bigger voice than all the leftist media combined, you're either an idiot, inexcusably ignorant of the world or a deliberate liar.

Which is worse?

Add up the conservo-radio listener numbers, CT.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 16:08:11

That's BS, Vega, not all journalism is JUST FACTS, opinion pieces, editorials, and the NYT's are all examples of non-fact based journalism.

Even an opinion piece has to be based on facts, wolf.

I could write an opinion piece that the war in Iraq was illegal and Bush & Cheney should be tried for war crimes. But its not journalism if its speculation without any supporting facts.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 16:53:05

With Fox it still doesn't match the audience of the big three, not to mention the magazines and papers.

Look at the ratings of network news, wolf. They would kill for Limbaugh's numbers.

And why do you think that is, rmiller? One network that has eclipsed all the others? And yet you and your Liberal kind screech and rail and whine and moan about 'Faux-News' and how partisan they are.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-10-07 16:48:46

And yet you guys claim the poor, poor pitiful me arguement.

That the MSM is somehow liberal biased?

You guys own the most successful channel.

Fox News is your outlet….it surpasses CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS.

Those are your own facts.

Stop bothering me with claims of MSM bias…you are the MSM..

Speaking of Fox News, this is getting lots of play tonight in the liberal circles.

From Fox:

The fact that our numbers are up 30 plus in the news arena on basic cable I’d like to think is a sign that we are just putting what we believe to be the facts out on the table

Usually a journalist would not say "what we believe to be the facts" in descibing themselves.

Funny.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-07 17:14:27

Combined they still do better than Limbaugh's 13 mil daily which is aproaching 26 million, so that's Rush's to gain.

Stop bothering me with claims of MSM bias…you are the MSM..

Posted by rmiller

2009-10-07 17:27:08

Fox deosn't beat them ALL COMBINED, only when compared to those stations individually and that makes a hell of difference Robert.

Fox deosn't beat them ALL COMBINED, only when compared to those stations individually and that makes a hell of difference Robert.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-10-07 17:49:00

OK… still, it does make a difference.

When compared to all the media, Fox News does seem to have an audience.

If I were an executive of CBS or NBC or ABC Or CNN, it's not the other media I would be looking at. I'd be looking at Fox. Yeah, I'd want to take them down..

If you think that it was Fox in the crosshairs…you'd be correct. But that would only be because they are the leaders, not because of an inherent idealogical bent.

That's not the way journalism works.

Yes it is, you moron. When a story is breaking but not all the facts are known it's perfectly acceptable to put out a story saying so.

If you think that it was Fox in the crosshairs…you'd be correct. But that would only be because they are the leaders, not because of an inherent idealogical bent.

Posted by rmiller 2009-10-07 18:07:17

Fox has always been in the Big Media's crosshairs, and you know it rmiller. It is naive and a cop-out to now say the other networks are only after Fox because it is #1.

They've wanted Fox gone from the beginning because Fox refused to spout the same Liberal-based tripe the other did. Fox was and still is a threat to their meaningless existance.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-10-07 11:46:25

So many businesses are fleeing New York your wonderful liberal Democrat governor just had to gut health care to the tune of $3.3 billion. Good thing he also slashed education funding so the people there will be too stupid to know what's happening.

Ummm….Mike…so, cutting spending is now something we consider worthy of mockery? Would you be happier if he raised taxes?

That the MSM is somehow liberal biased?

You guys own the most successful channel.

Mr. Miller,

I think you're letting the terminology "mainstream media" mislead your analysis. Try considering "establishment media" as an alternative. Establishment are not necessarily the most popular or successful. Alternative candidates often beat their establishment competitors, for example. Similarly, "guerilla" brands often clean the clocks of established rivals. When you consider this distinction, Fox is clearly NOT the media establishment. The major j-schools would still consider it laughable if their students went to work at Fox, major national politicians do not generally treat Fox as a favored venue. And "Faux News" is still considered a completely appropriate reference in journalistic circles.

Sure, talk radio kills each network news show, individually. Add together all the TV news (except fox) all the newspapers, all the news magazines and suddenly Limbaugh and Fox are eclipsed. Don't come here pretending you don't know this.

MSM doesn't just refer to news either…it encompasses all media. Commercials push thirty second leftist memes, sit-coms push leftist ideology as cool, and movies typically portray conservatives as fat, evil, rich white men. You have to look and look hard to find programming that touts conservative ideals and principles…Mainstream and pop culture media are dominated by the left; any other conclusion requires some serious willful ignorance.

I pretty much knew this had to be going on.

I couldn't comprehend how the idiots leaving Pro-Obama comments could actually have any self-dignity.

It restores a little of my faith in humanity… a financial justification for some of the insanity is much better than basic mental illness.

"Stop bothering me with claims of MSM bias…you are the MSM…"

We're getting there. We've still got a long way to go, but we will win because the MSM establishment is so devoted to its ideology that it is no obvious to anyone with a brain that its preventing them from doing there job. I lost count how many stories were broke this year by the guerilla media, and studiously ignored for a week or more by the MSM until the story forced itself on them and left them squirming on 'Meet the Press' and other liberal outlets to try to explain to their listeners what this story they were so uncomfortable about was actually about.

As someone said, "I don't know anything about what is going on, because I get all my knews from the NY Times."

But we are a long way from taking back the liberal domination of the airwaves, the newspapers, the editorial staffs, and the classrooms that teach journalism. And that's to say nothing of liberal bias in the entertainment establishment. We are a very long way from restoring the craft of journalism to where it was before people like Walter Cronkite destroyed it. The fact of the matter is that young journalists today have no idea how to read for bias, how to write from a neutral tone, how to be observers, how to report facts, or in fact how to do any of their job as reporters because they've not been trained to be journalists. The surest way to learn nothing about being a journalist is to go to journalism school.

I have a confession to make. I'm something of a fan of 'The Gilmore Girls'. It's was smartly written, well acted, frequently funny, and sometimes endearing – at least in the first two or three seasons. The liberal bias in the show was typical of bias in MSM shows and frequently made alot of unintentionally funny momments, none for me more laughable than one of the central conciets of the show – that Rory was a fantastically intelligent young lady and she wanted to be a journalist.

No one actually smart goes into journalism. You are lucky if anyone in journalism has as much as average intelligence. Anybody that as much as has worked on the High School newspaper knows that.

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Yes it is, you moron. When a story is breaking but not all the facts are known it's perfectly acceptable to put out a story saying so.

Not when its slanted blog like this one, mighty. Don't be silly, you would be scoffing at this without proof if it came from the NYT, but you are ready to say this is journalism without one single fact checked? Gimme a break.

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