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U.S. College Pushes Anti-American, Pro-Islam Book

Written By : Warner Todd Huston

We send our students to college to learn what they need to know to become good American citizens. From this knowledge we hope that they will realize useful, maybe even successful, lives. Perhaps they’ll even gain personal improvement through introspection from it all. At least that’s what we used to think. Apparently, these days we send kids to college to be trained to hate the U.S.A. and at least in the case of Brooklyn College to learn that today Muslims are treated as badly as the African Americans or the Japanese internees of our past.

Brooklyn college has assigned all incoming freshmen to read a book titled, “How Does It Feel to Be a Problem? Being Young and Arab in America,” by Moustafa Bayoumi. The book is a series of vignettes imparting the immigration stories of seven Muslim Americans and their claims of the discrimination they’ve met in a post 9/11 America. Bayoumi could have written an uplifting tale of the freedoms America offers, but instead it is little else but an attack on America.

The story supposedly regales us of the lives of Muslims who have “found themselves part of the newest suspect class in the United States.” Bayoumi, also a Brooklyn College English professor, absurdly claims that the Muslims in his book — and by extension throughout America — have gone “from simply invisible to being regarded with suspicion and even actively pursued” by the U.S. government.

The New York Daily News leads us through Bayoumi’s conclusions:

Bayoumi sees America more darkly. In the book’s afterword, he writes that “Muslims and Arabs are scrutinized for sedition at every turn,” that Arab-American life includes “substantial government surveillance and repression,” that “today, everyone – immigrant and citizen, activist and spectator – has become vulnerable,” that “spies and government informants have penetrated Muslim-American communities” and that “torture has been normalized into American culture.”

In sum, he asserts, “What we are currently living through is the slow creep of imperial high-handedness into the rest of American society, performed in the name of national security and facilitated through the growth of racist policies.”

Bayoumi is obviously a raging anti-American. He outrageously believes that Arab Americans are facing the same situation that Japanese Americans faced when FDR ordered their internment during WWII.

In an interview with Penguin Books, Bayoumi said the following:

I believe we will come to see this period as being gripped by a similar kind of mass hysteria that fueled the Palmer Raids and Japanese Internment. What’s depressing is that this would happen in our post Civil Rights era, when I thought we would have learned from the mistakes of the past.

This is flat out nonsense. Muslims face nothing like the sort of fear and discrimination Japanese Americans faced during WWII. In fact, Muslim Americans today face nothing so bad as the race hatred that Jewish Americans face today. FBI stats show that Jews are several times more likely to be the victims of racial and religious discrimination than are Muslims. Muslim discrimination barely registers as a blip on the FBI’s stats.

The last year that the FBI has released full data for hate crimes is 2008, but it shows that hate crimes against Jews far out number those against Muslims.

FBI Hate Crime Statistics: Religious bias

66.1 percent were targeted because of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias.
7.5 percent were victims because of an anti-Islamic bias.
5.1 percent were victims because of an anti-Catholic bias.
3.6 percent were victims because of an anti-Protestant bias.
0.8 percent were targeted because of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
2.8 percent were victims because of a bias against other religions (anti-other religion).
4.0 percent were victims because of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).

In light of these stats, Bayoumi looks like a wild-eyed polemicist instead of an aggrieved minority.

Yet here is this author making these absurd claims anyway. Worse his book was chosen by an American college as an important text for incoming freshmen and his lies raised to the heights of important “literature.”

This is what Brooklyn College is teaching its students, that Muslims are being treated as badly as were Japanese Americans who were rounded up by the thousands and sent to camps under armed guards. Bayoumi also used the example of the Palmer Raids, a campaign set in motion during Woodrow Wilson’s presidency when some 500 known American left-wing radicals were rounded up and forcibly deported.

So, where are the concentration camps for Muslims that this evil United State has created to oppress Muslims? Where are the hundreds of Muslims forcibly deported? Where are the mounting cases of anti-Muslim discrimination in these United States?

There aren’t any.

Because of this incident, Brooklyn College has already lost the support of one wealthy alumnus. Bruce Kessler, Class of 1968, has cut the college out of his will because of the assignment of Bayoumi ‘s book to incoming freshmen.

Kessler says that Bayoumi is a “radical pro-Palestinian professor.”

Looking over Bayoumi’s screed it’s hard to fault Kessler’s logic.

Tom_pinko_Delay

Muslim discrimination barely registers as a blip on the FBI's stats.

Don't worry, Warner, it's on the rise, thanks to blog posts like this one.
StanW

Really, and you have proof of that, Pinko?
UFKA_Smithwick

You do know that trends, correlations (and causation, different), statistics, etc don't just become true because you feel like they should be true right?

The evidence suggests that muslims are not being particularly targeted, and there is no significant increase in anti-muslim attacks.
UFKA_Smithwick

I think we're becoming more and more immune to the politics of victimhood in this country.

We're still a long ways from ignoring it completely but as Al Sharptons guilt based business failures have shown we are moving away from that mentality.
baoxian

I doubt I would agree with all his premises, but it's hard to argue with his conclusions.

First the government curtails freedoms to protect us from Muslim extremists. Then the government curtails freedoms to prevent backlash against Muslim extremists. Then the government curtails freedoms to prevent backlash against the government.

The commonality here isn't difficult to find. We had government documents categorizing threats by association and political stance a year ago (the infamous Right Wing Extremists memo). We can discuss mosques and flaming Korans all we want, the government is just going to keep right on gobbling up authority as it can until we wake up.
tblrk2006

Tell us more about this place you live in…….b/c it isnt the real world.
mightysamurai

Oh really? I'd like to see some evidence of that. Show me evidence of a rising trend in religion-based violence specifically against muslims in America.

Prove it. Make us eat our words. I dare you.
Tom_pinko_Delay

(1) On the night of May 10, a bomb exploded outside the Islamic Center of Northeast Florida in Jacksonville. The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perpetrator. FBI officials in Jacksonville, Fla., have found the remnants of a pipe bomb used in a possible hate crime at a mosque during evening prayers. The Muslim population in Jacksonville totals around 5,000 families and that most who practice the religion do so at the Islamic Center mosque. “This incident comes after a man was seen barging into the mosque on April 4, shouting anti-Muslim slurs and threatening to come back later,” according to Ibrahim Hooper, the council’s communication director.
(2) The Islamic Association of Michigan (Masjid Umar-bin-Khattab) in Brownstown, Mich., has reported two incidents of vandalism. The first occurred on May 9 and the second on May 15 when vandals broke windows and the glass in an entryway door.
(3) On May 11, vandals defaced an exhibit by Muslim graduate student Anida Yoeu Ali at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC). The exhibit, which addressed racial profiling and the rise of violence and hate directed at Muslims in the post-9/11 era, was vandalized with large caricatures and a word bubble highlighting the text “Kill all Arabs.” Ali’s exhibit is part of a larger ongoing series of work, the “1700% Project,” which is a collaborative project that uses art as a form of response to hate crimes.
(4) An 18 year-old male was brutally beaten by officers from an Illinois Police Station in retaliation for his mother’s attempt to file a complaint against the way her son had been treated. The mother is a Muslim-American woman and wears the Hijab, the traditional Muslim headwear. During the beating, one of the officers yelled at the young man that this was all because of his “Muslim bitch” mother.
(5) In San Diego, a white man in his 50’s shouted, “You idiot, you mother f**ker, go back to where you came from,” as the victim was concluding his sunset prayer in a park near Mission Bay on May 12th night. The assailant then followed the victim as he returned to his taxi. When the victim attempted to enter his taxi and put on his seatbelt, the assailant repeated his slurs, grabbed the victim’s shirt and punched him repeatedly in the right eye and left shoulder. As a result of his injuries, the victim underwent a CAT scan as a precautionary measure. The alleged assailant was taken into custody by police.

(6) A cab driver in NY was stabbed because he was Muslim.
StanW

All anecdotal and in NO WAY shows an increase in Muslim hate crimes.

Also, your #6 was done BY A MUSLIM, a supporter of the Ground Zero Mosque.

What a pathetic arttempt, Pinko!
UFKA_Smithwick

I hate to respond to what is such an obvious troll but here goes: you are aware that individual incidents do not make a trend?

Take a look at this graph and tell me if you are able to understand it:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uPzsiWdvLoQ/THeLpvykl-I/AAAAAAAADC4/ECXdoawTUIw/s1600/fbihate1.jpg

Then realize that Jews weren't even included on that graph and they average about 10x the number of attacks. And that religion based hate-crimes make up a tiny minority of the total.

I know you're a victim of our atrocious public education system so I am trying to be easy on you. But you have to be willing to learn.
Tom_pinko_Delay

Hey buddy, you said that evidence suggests that Muslims aren't being particulary attacked, and I just gave you 6 examples where there they were.

Yes I'm aware that these incidents do not a trend make, but I'm also aware that FBI data from 2008 is not relevant to what has happened in the past 2 years.
StanW

YOU said attacks on Muslims were increasing. Then you provided anecdotal examples that did not prove it. Also, at least one of the incidents were perpetrated BY A MUSLIM!

Like I said before, pinko… PATHETIC!
UFKA_Smithwick

Hey buddy you clearly have a learning deficiency:
The evidence suggests that muslims are not being particularly targeted, and there is no significant increase in anti-muslim attacks.

The facts show that as religious hate crimes go muslims are not being particularly singled out and the trend towards increased violence against them does not exist anywhere but in the fevered dreams of liberals.

So that means statements like this: Don't worry, Warner, it's on the rise, thanks to blog posts like this one.

Are complete gibberish. Even if you could find that this post somehow influenced anyone to violence (you can't, but for the sake of argument) it would still fall apart in light of the fact that there is no rise in anti-Muslim violence.

In short your assessment of this situation is completely wrong.

Interesting factoid: http://creepingsharia.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/edrelig_100114.png?w=466&h=307

You'll notice attacks on jews have been on the rise since the dems took control of congress? Coincidence? Probably. But to be fair I will place the entire blame on them, and leftwing blogs. Can't hold them to different standards now can we?
UFKA_Smithwick

If I were more conspiracy-minded I would think that teachers unions are intentionally failing to teach their students, particularly in the areas of math and science, just so we'll have generations of mindless sheep who are incapable of really arguing against whatever they are told.

So when the products of these sad institutions are told “muslim attacks are on the rise” you . . . sorry 'they' will believe it in spite of clear evidence to the contrary simply because they do not understand basic statistics.

If it isn't planned then it is an amazing stroke of luck. Inability to think for oneself and comprehend even the most basic subjects ought to ensure a permanent democrat majority for the foreseeable future.
Mahatma

Let us now commence burning a few Korans……..
KillWhitePeople

Yeah, Muslems do not face any prosecution, especially not in New York.

Now, if a Muslem tried to build a community center in New York and a bunch of angry white people started calling it a terrorist victory mosque because it was an arbitrary distance from an unrelated incident, that would be a sign of prejudice. Of course, its not like that is happening in your perfectly tolerant nation.
Mahatma

Epic fail, stanley. And sammy, do you need to be burped?

AAATLWIY*

*And as always the last word is yours.
StanW

Shut up, Vega!
StanW

Go right ahead, Vega. Free speech and all!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No asshatma, he's right, it in no way indicates an increase in anti-islamic hate crime, it's several specific incindents that are not indicative of any pattern, not when compared to other hate crimes against other religions nationwide.
Mahatma

“How Does It Feel to Be a Problem? Being Young and Arab in America,” by Moustafa Bayoumi

Thanks, but I think I will read it and make a determination on my own. Don't think I need The New York Daily News or Warner Todd Huston to interpret it for me.

Muslims face nothing like the sort of fear and discrimination Japanese Americans faced during WWII.

Oh. I guess that makes it okay then. (unless you are one of the 7.5%).
Mahatma

Spoken like a true lily-white Caucasian.
UFKA_Smithwick

Ah so you believe certain people think a certain way based on skin color and

that their melanin levels somehow disqualify them from having a valid

opinion.

How long have you identified yourself as a racist.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

First it's persecution, not prosecution, and NO there is no evidence of persecution, not even in New York.

The mosque you're mentioning is at Ground Zero, it was struck by part of the landing gear of one of the planes. No one is doing more than asking the Imam to build said mosque elsewhere. Out of tolerance for the emotional sensibilities of all those effected by 9/11.

If you outsiders, I take it you're not American, would pay attention to facts and not MSNBC, you'd know these things. Instead you buy the Mass Medias non-factual portrayals of what the protestors are asking.
StanW

So 9/11 was an “unrelated incident”?

Pretty much all we need to know about you. You may go now.
KillWhitePeople

Pay attention to such important facts as it not being a Mosque?

You know, the fact you keep ignoring.
StanW

Racist!
KillWhitePeople

I am sorry, I was thought that the hijackers from 9/11 were all dead. I did not realize one survived to fund a community center.

Unless I am mistaken and you are holding every member of a religion of a billion people responsible for the actions of a few people.
StanW

Just the ones that support the terrorists attacks, think we deserved what happened, and want to build a monument to that attack on the site of the attack.

But you already know that. By the way, nice name, very tolerant of you.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Spoken like a true unrepentenant uneducated and hatefilled racist.
KillWhitePeople

A community center is a monument now? That is a stupid monument. I think good monuments are statues. Why would someone build a community center as a monument. It would totally be cheaper to actually build a mosque.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

It's an Islamic house of worship, prayer space built for overflow of it's sister mosque, it is there for a MOSQUE with community space. The FACT you keep ignoring!

Unless you want to try to argue that the prayer space can be used by non-muslims, and would not be dedicated and consecrated to Allah?!??!?!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Anything can be a monument, racist, especially when it will be named after a mosque built as symbol of Islamic conquest.
KillWhitePeople

No, I acknowledge a mosque is part of the community center. However, a part of the building does not make the building all that thing.

St. Mary's hospital has a church in it. Do you refer to the entire hospital as a church?

There is also a gymnasium. Is there an offense of people playing tennis near Ground Zero as well? Why do you not refer to the Ground Zero victory gymnasium since the gym is actually bigger than the mosque.
StanW

It is a mosque, pure and simple. And THAT is the monument.
KillWhitePeople

I am sorry I am Spanish and from Sevilla, perhaps I could explain to you more about Cordoba since you do not seem to really know what it is
whats_up

Thats right keep your head in the sand and pretend that people arent saying that Muslims should not have first amendment rights, pretend that people arent getting ready to burn the Koran, pretend that nothing is happening despite the evidence that it is.
KillWhitePeople

I say it is a gym because the gym is bigger.

That damned victory gym
whats_up

Stanley,

Micheal Enright (the attacker of the cab driver) is not Muslim, how stupid are you? What utter bullshit.
StanW

And I say you are an intolerant racist.
StanW

Do the people buring the Korans have 1st Amendment rights, too? Or do those only apply to Liberals and Muslims?
Trench_Raider

Anti-white racism and trolling flagged.

Can we get something done about this scumbag and his extremely offensive user name, please?

TR
KillWhitePeople

I thought that would help us talk as equals?

You hate Muslems, I hate you

Its a big circle of hatred of which we are all part.
StanW

The apparent anti-Muslim assault on a New York city cabbie by a man shouting “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint” produced an immediate round of recriminations over its connection to opposition to a New York Islamic Center and an apparent rising tide of Islamophobia. ut as often at the intersection of politics and violent crime, the story doesn't appear to fit any easy stereotype: The alleged assailant, Michael Enright, is – according to his Facebook profile and the website of the left-leaning media organization Intersections International – a student at the School of Visual Arts and a volunteer for Intersections, which recently produced a statement of support for the Park51 project, and is funded by the mainstream, liberal Collegiate Church of New York.

Doesn't say he is Muslims, but doesn't say he isn't. Sorry crthns, but by working for the Cordoba House Initiative and shouting “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint”, I may have jumped to conslusions.

So he may not have been a Muslims, just a deeply disturbed America-hating Liberal… LIKE YOU!
StanW

I don't hate Muslims, but you want to kill me just because I am white.

Interesting, you think that makes us equal?
Trench_Raider

Anti-White racim (mostly likely of the self-hating variety) flagged.

TR
KillWhitePeople

You do not hate muslems but you do not want them to build their gymnasium??

Why could you not want them to build a gym unless you hate them. Or maybe you hate exercise? You are a conservative American so this is very possible too.
KillSomeWhitePeople

I have changed it, I hope this is better for everyone.
StanW

So not wanting a small group of Muslims to build a victory monument to 9/11 means I hate ALL Muslims? That is a reach even the stupidest of trolls here would not attempt.

Hey, my grandson is white too. Do you want to kill him as well?
KillSomeWhitePeople

No, not him, as you can see I have softened my stance considerably.

But, you see, maybe its because our media is much better than yours, but this man who wants to build the mosque is not a terrorist. I am sorry I thought that this was known, and you just assumed all Muslems are terrorists.

You see, he is not a terrorist, he even informed to the FBI about possible terrorists so he is like double not terrorist.

I also do not understand why a gymnasium is a monument to victory of 9/11. I suppose everytime they score a goal they could say praise Allah or something but I do not know.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You're deflecting, the entire building will be dedicated and consecrated to Allah, as is any building built by religous groups. That makes it an Isalmic structure dedicated to the worship of Allah, and teaching Islam. Most hospitals founded by churches try to proselytize to patients, employees, and vistiors, even by just having crosses everywhere, communtity centers are no different, just look at the YMCA's model. So the rest of your argument is just deflective blathering. It's as much a mosque as anything else, and it will be named after a an acknowledged symbol of Islamic conquest.
StanW

And now you are just going out of your way to be a moron.

So your softened stance is you just want to kill SOME white people? Like me? Do you enjoy being a racist?
Trench_Raider

You must be hitting the bong early today, Pothead, because this one is stupid even for you.

The examples above are meaningless as they are annecdotal in nature. Not only that, but we don't have any idea of the time frame for these crimes as the site you cut and pasted that from did not include a date. Finally two of the six crimes were grafitti/vandalism. Whiney victim complex minoroty groups in this country have a long history of staging such “hate crimes” to drum up support for themselves. Recall the black college professor who was caught hanging a noose on her own office door for example…

In any event there is no upsurge in anti-Muslim bias crimes. Given their status as the left's prefered victim group de jour do you REALLY think that the media would be not be reporting with outrage and horror on this supposed wave of anti-Muslim crimes? Please. The fact is that much like the supposed wave of anti-black crimes that inspired the initial push for “hate crime” laws in the US these stories are remarkable only because they are so uncommon…almost unique in fact. They are a “man bite's dog” type story.

Sorry, son. Your side's new pet “persecuted minority” is NOT being sngled out as victims of bias crimes to any real degree.

(the reality of who are the perps and and victims of bias/hate crime in the US today is very different….but that's a whole other topic of discussion..)

TR
KillSomeWhitePeople

I think limiting Cordoba to a symbol of Islamic conquest is very offensive as a Spaniard from the area. Cordoba was once the cultural center of the world, and this was during the time of the Muslems. Why is it a sign of conquest and not a sign of the highest point in their culture? We have a building here in Sevilla called the Torre del Oro as a monument to our golden age. Is that too a symbol of Christian conquest? Should we remove it since it is very close to a mosque we destroyed during the conquest?
KillSomeWhitePeople

Also, I think we have several Catholic churches near Aztec, Inca, and Mayan temples in the Americas. We should probably get rid of those too.
whats_up

Yep they do, thats why no one is saying that they cant do what they are planning, just that they shouldnt do it, do try and keep up.
whats_up

So says the traitor Stan, why are you not supporting the President, you traitor.
StanW

Funny, that is EXACTLY what we are saying about the Corboba House Mosque, and you and your ilk keep calling us religious bigots.

Sucks when your own logic backfires on you, doesn't it crthns?
TheDickNixon

flagged for trolling.
TheDickNixon

stan don't reply to this dufus.
StanW

Because the President is an America-hating idiot, crthns. Just like you!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Cordoba was a built as a monument of Islamic Conquest, over other muslims, but still as a symbol of a conquest. Venerating that so close to Ground Zero is just a slap in the face.
StanW

I haven't played “Poke the Retard” in a while (unless you count Vega).

::POUT:: I never get to have any fun! You're MEAN!
KillSomeWhitePeople

Rome was also conquered from other white people. But then Rome became the head of a great empire of wisdom. Cordoba is the same way. Do you get angry at ROMAN catholic churches being built in the Americas because they are a slap in the face of the natives there?

Cordoba was a great city and a cultural center of the learned world, you should visit some time. Order some Tinto de Verano.
KillSomeWhitePeople

I still want to know why you hate gyms.

I like gyms, they are good for your health and a fun social center.
TheDickNixon

in the past 27 days, muslims have committed 192 terror attacks killing over 900 people of other faiths worldwide.
TheDickNixon

He's not as stupid as someone, like you, who thinks David Duke voted for Bush in 2004
StanW

Time for you to change your name or run away, racist.

Unless you want to try to make good on your name with me.
TheDickNixon

dissent is patriotic.

Duke. Bush. 2004, etc.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Not wanting the mosque built does not require hatred; sympathy for the survivors, venerating the dead, and asking for respect and tolerance from the Imam and his bretheren(sp) is another matter.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No one is asking Congress to stop this Mosque so the First Amendment does not apply to this argument.

And I'll worry about burning Korans when people stop bombing abortion clinics burning crosses, and calling for the destruction of Isreal. All far more dangerous than a burnt book.
KillSomeWhitePeople

You lose debate to me and then insult me and call me retard. You are not very good at this debating thing. Maybe you should read Cicero? He is white like you so you do not need to worry about being made uncomfortable by difference.
StanW

Excuse me, you think I lost the debate? I guess the voices in your head as a stupid as you are.

Run away now, little girl.
TheDickNixon

flagged for lying.
TheDickNixon

flagged for threadjacking
TheDickNixon

Yet you speak out against people who oppose the Ground Zero Mosque.

You are a hypocrite
Trench_Raider

Since when is burning a book an act of violence, troll?

ROAD little boy.

TR
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Because most mosques built in conquered terroritories are built to symbolize the victory. They are often built on the grounds of the temple of another religion to show Islams supremacy. Most Isalmics and Historians acknowledge this pattern.

And how could anyone build a monument to a 'golden age' during the golden age? Aren't those monuments built AFTER the fact?! It was built by a shiek to symbolize his conquest of that region.

As to Catholic Churches were they built after a violent conquest? Very few were, most were done as part of missions.
aegean

So you also believe it's wrong to burn the American flag, right?
Tom_pinko_Delay

You must be hitting the bong early today, Pothead, because this one is stupid even for you.

Are irrelevant (and unfounded) personal attacks really necessary, TR?
Good Ol Boy

Behold the power of white guilt… the second most powerful motivator of caucasian, American liberals; Socialism being numero uno.
Trench_Raider

Given the personal attacks you made against me in the months since the change to Disqus and my return to this site…yes.

You can dish it out, but you can't take it, can you pothead?

In any event you failure to even attempt a refutation of the main body of my post is noted.

TR
StanW

Still waiting on you to provide proof that attacks on Muslims in America is rising, Pinko.

That is what you asserted, isn't it?
Jane

Actually, “Cordoba House” is not built as a symbol of Islamic conquest. To quote the imam,

“Our name, Cordoba, was inspired by the city in Spain where Muslims, Christians and Jews co-existed in the Middle Ages during a period of great cultural enrichment created by Muslims. Our initiative is intended to cultivate understanding among all religions and cultures.”

There….That should settle that.
Martha

An Anti-American, Pro-Islam Book – they're teaching The Bible?
UFKA_Smithwick

Yep, muslims have it so bad here. It's like jews under the nazis, but worse somehow.

Weird that they keep moving here in light of this fact, and being told it over and over again by Americans (well, liberals, but technically Americans).
UFKA_Smithwick

Only because we burn Korans here in the US! If it weren't for that event that hasn't happened yet they wouldn't have committed all those acts of terrorism in the past!

Clearly you didn't go to Berkley or you'd know all this already.
StanW

Ah, again just because you said so, huh Jane.

They “coexisted” by the Muslims being in charge, and the Christians and Jews living as second class citizens. The Cordoba Mosque was built on top of the existing Christina church.

The only thing settled is that you are still an America-hating jerk.
Martha

Now that's funny!
StanW

Still haven't gotten your e-mail, Martha. I can't give you my address until you send it to me.
Martha

You would leave trenchie-troll with nothing.
Martha

Now now, trenchie-troll. Remember your high . . . blood pressure.
Martha

Why is that, stan? LOL

Oh – that's right – U R a coward.
StanW

Says the person that won;t give me their e-mail address. How woudl you like me to get my address to you, Martha?
TheDickNixon

The same iman that would could not say if hamas was a terrorist organization.

And it is a mosque.
Martha

Well, it *should* settle that. But these guys keep pretending they are not prejudiced cowards, and they'll claw screaming to their respective hells protesting the fact.
Jane

NO…Because THE IMAM said so in the NY Times, Mr. Dolt.

Learn some history. From Wikipedia:

“The treatment of non-Muslims in the Caliphate has been a subject of considerable debate among scholars and commentators, especially those interested in drawing parallels to the coexistence of Muslims and non-Muslims in the modern world. It has been argued that Jews (and other religious minorities) were treated significantly better in Muslim-controlled Iberia than in Christian western Europe, living in a unique “golden age” of tolerance, respect and harmony. Though Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities, there is no clear scholarly consensus over whether the relationship between Jews and Muslims was truly a paragon of interfaith relations, or whether it was simply similar to the treatment Jews received elsewhere at the same time.”

María Rosa Menocal, a specialist in Iberian literature at Yale University, has argued that “Tolerance was an inherent aspect of Andalusian society”.[1] Menocal's 2003 book, The Ornament of the World, argues that the Jewish dhimmis living under the Caliphate, while allowed fewer rights than Muslims, were still better off than in other parts of Christian Europe. Jews from other parts of Europe made their way to al-Andalus, where they were tolerated – as were Christians of sects regarded as heretical by various European Christian states.”
Jane

By the way, I love America. I love particularly its history of tolerance, which makes this current trend to paint all muslims with one brush so disheartening to me.

LOVE LIVE AMERICA!!!
Jane

Community Center. LOL
Good Ol Boy

It should be physically painful to be as stupid as you are.
Jane

Well Done!!
mightysamurai

Only in your diseased, drug-addled brain could burning a Koran be equivalent to physical violence.
Jane

Of course they do, but it's still unAmerican.
mightysamurai

Pay attention to such important facts as it not being a Mosque?

In that case there's no specific right for them to build it.
mightysamurai

Rome was also conquered from other white people. But then Rome became the head of a great empire of wisdom.

By contrast, the muslim world has become a sinkhole of oppression, poverty, violence, and depravity.

Great argument there, idiot.
Martha

Just as you initially said you would, stan. When you made the proposal. Before you backed out.
mightysamurai

NO…Because THE IMAM said so in the NY Times, Mr. Dolt.

Would that be the same Imam who said America brought 9/11 on itself and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization?
Martha

What's the matter? Haven't you read any good books lately? The Bible, you see, promotes the belief in God and denounces the oppression of humanity. It is both pro-Islam and anti-America.
TheDickNixon

mother_Martha@hushmail.com
TheDickNixon

Flagged for lying. LOL
TheDickNixon

flagged for anti Mexican bigotry
TheDickNixon

mosque
TheDickNixon

flagged for trolling
Good Ol Boy

and denounces the oppression of humanity

LMAO! Um, yeah, that sounds like Islam… well, with the exception of women, gays, and non-Muslims, that is. See my first reply.
Trench_Raider

That's a encrypted “troll mail” addres that he uses. He's too much of a coward to email using an unencrypted home IP email address. Wonder why that is….

TR
Martha

Ya just gotta pay attention. The Bible denounces the oppression of humanity.
Trench_Raider

While it's nice that this scumbag's original post was removed, I do have to ask why the rest of his posts )which all feature his highly offensive user name) have not been removed as well?

This clown is (suprise, suprise) posting as an unregistered “guest”. This sort of thing can be cut down on a bit if Hawkins would adjust his DisQus user settings to not allow people to post as “guests”. if you can't be bothered to register an account, then you are not a legitimate member of the forum in my opinion. I'm sure most agree.

TR
Good Ol Boy

But Islam does NOT… so how, pray tell, is the Bible pro-Islam? Oh yeah, nevermind, I forgot that you live in Bizarro-world.
StanW

I haven't backed out of anything, martha. Search your tiny little diseased mind. I said for you to e-mail me when you got here and I would THEN give you my address.

Interesting how you want me to post my home address on an open forum when you are too much of a coward to even post your e-mail.

I knew you'd never come to Texas anyway!
StanW

If it is Constitutional, it is not unAmerican, Jane. You just want to have it both ways!
StanW

All evidence to the contrary!
StanW

“Considerable debate”, jane. Meaning it ain't a sure thing.

The Cordoba mosque was build on top of the existing Christina Church. THAT is domination, that is a monument. And that is precisly what this Iman wants to do at Ground Zero… Build a trophy!
StanW

Thank you, Mr. Nixon. I still have that address saved. Along with all the vile and sexist posts from this creature.
Martha

The Bible promotes Islam because Islam promotes a belief in God. Oh yea of little . . . well – almost everything.
Martha

Children, children . . . U must accept thet Martha does not want the likes of trenchie-troll's undivided attention. U know how he likes to harass folk on the internet. It has got him banned from more than one site.
Jane

Did you see the part about muslims treating jews better? Christians have don the same things. Romans did the same thing.

And it's no surprise that a muslim community center and mosque would memorialize the great cultural flourishing that was Cordoba that EVERY Scholar acknowledges happened in the middle ages in Cordoba.

So there we are.

And by the way, Stan, this is how one backs up a claim. I'm still waiting for the quote from you as to where the Imam said America “Deserved” to be attacked on 9/11.
Martha

OMG – dixon. You do bring back the old times. Remember when you were going to pay @hushmail to track Martha? HHow did that work out for ya?

btw, dixon, today is the anniversary of the day Ford pardoned that crook Nixon. How ya going to celebrate?
Martha

Er, stan, if you still have the address . . .
Jane

yesterday you said flag burning was unamerican.
Martha

Oh – yeah! We all agree with trenchie-troll. He knows all about not being legitimate.
StanW

It was published last night, Jane. You commented on it, or rather, you blew it off and said “Naaa aaah!”, just like I said you would.

Still waiting on you to acknowledge that the Cordoba Mosque was built on the top of a centuries old Christian Church. That is a fact you keep leaving out of your rants. I wonder why that is, Jane?
StanW

I aske YOU to send me your address. How was I supposed to know what false name you are using now. Send me an e-mail and I will respond. My address is vimaje at yahoo dot com.

What's yours?
StanW

Yes, I did. Yes, it is.

Funny how a destructive act that emflames Americans is fine with you, but a destructive act that emflames our mortal enemies is “un-American”.

What was that lie you told again? Oh yes, that you love America. Guess that has been put to rest!
Trench_Raider

LOL.

How many posts of yours (on all three of the accounts you have posted using since the change to DisQus) have been deleted? I've had exactly zero.

And this clown calls me a troll. That's as obvious a bit of projection as is him (an anti-white racist) claiming others here are “racists”.

Amazing…

TR
Good Ol Boy

LOL. That's like saying Burger King promotes McDonalds, because McDonalds promotes the sale of hamburgers.

You are living proof that liberalism is, indeed, a mental disorder.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

That's right keep your head in the sand and pretend people aren't running around the Iowa State Fair calling it Beat Whitey Night!

And where is anyone calling for the abolition of First Amendments for ANYONE, let alone Muslims? How is burning the Koran a crime? Where is the PROOF that anti-muslim violence is on the rise, would you like me to find specific examples of anti-jewish violence, or more anti-white violence??

There is no evidence there is only your heated imagination and a couple of well publicised incidents that are too sporadic to constitute a trend.
Martha

Er, stan – if you still have the address . . .

Gotta say, this continuous cowardly evasion on your part is -well – actually expected.
StanW

So you are not going to send me an e-mail, huh Martha. Can't say I'm surprised. Looks like Trench and I will never get to welcome you to Texas.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

That's not proof of anything, racist, it's anectdotal without a total survey of all such incidents and being able to compare it to previous years.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Pot meet kettle, troll.
mightysamurai

The Bible, you see, promotes the belief in God and denounces the oppression of humanity.

You mean like the Koran's commandment to make aggressive war on non-believers, kill or enslave those who fight back against forcible conversion, and only allowing non-believers to live in your country as second-class citizens? Was that the oppression of humanity you were talking about?

Or maybe it was stoning women to death for the crime of being raped. Maybe that was the oppression of humanity you were talking about.
TheDickNixon

Nixon was a better POTUS than Obama. Hard truth, eh Obot?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

This from someone banned dozens of time on this forum alone!!!!
Martha

Stan – I ask only for a meeting place. U suggested your house. U are terrified to give me that information. Choose somewhere else. But try to get trenchie to not wear his Nazi uniform – OK?
StanW

I have no problem with oyu coming to my house, Martha. All I asked was that you send me an e-mail so I could give you the address. But that was apparently too much for your impotent mind to handle. Too bad.
Martha

The thing of it is, dixon, you have to compare Nixon to Obama to prove your point. This means you do not really believe it. Actually, Richard M. Nixon was an effective and, indeed, innovative president. “Hello, China. How are ya.” But his hateful and fearful side won out.

So – are ya going to celebrate the day?
TheDickNixon

Getting some more of your trolling deleted. Been fun so far.
Martha

stan – 'tis thee who can't send an email. LOL Choose somewhere else, stan – somewhere obvioulsy more friendly. And remember about that Nazi uniform, m'kay?
StanW

How difficult is it to send me an e-mail, Martha? Is that beyond your computer skills? Perhaps your mommie or your parole officer can show you how it is done. I have posted my e-mail twice for you. Send me an e-mail or forget the whole thing.
Martha

But – of course – it is nothing similar at all. U B soooo simplistic.
Martha

No, tiny, I don't “mean like . . .” Stick to what I post, m'kay?
Jane

Really, you posted something the IMAM said that included the word “Deserved”??

LOL…I dont think so.

And just like christians have done all over the world, the muslims made a mosque out of a church. Sort of like christians appropriating the pagan solstice for Christs birthday.

Is it really hard to believe that a muslim cultural center would be named after the city where the greatest flourishing of muslim culture occurred in the middle ages?

The Imam says this is what the name means. Unless you can demonstrate he's lying about this, then you have no ground to stand on.

Still waiting for the quote. Should be easy enough to get if it was recently posted.
Jane

So, flag burning, like koran burning, is constitutional. Stan agrees.
Stan says, and I quote, that “If it is Constitutional, it is not unAmerican.
Then Stan says flag burning is unAmerican.

LOL
Martha

It keeps you occupied and away from spewing your fear and ignorance. Great trade-off. Thanx, dixon.
Martha

Lucky you, stan. You can run and you can hide. Next time, don't make an offer you can't back up – m'kay?
StanW

Funny coming from a coward that won't even send me an e-mail. Too tough for you, Martha? Need help with something so simple?

Typical!
StanW

And you said Koran Buring was Un American? So the best insult you can throw si that I am as bad as you are, Jane?

You are pathetic!
UFKA_Smithwick

Belief in God may be a common factor between Islam and the teachings of the Bible but denouncing oppression?

Do you know anything about Islam? Consider the translation of “Islam”.
UFKA_Smithwick

Nothing like a religion whose name means “submission” to preach against oppression.
UFKA_Smithwick

Does that mean the Koran promotes Christianity?
TheDickNixon

FLagged for trolling.
Martha

Repeated and repeated and repeated – like the true coward you are, stan.*Yawn*
Martha

Thanx, dixon.
mightysamurai

You're the one who said the Bible denounces oppression.

Islam promotes depression. Therefore, the Bible denounces Islam.
Jane

At least Im consistent. You're just bad.
StanW

Consistantly an idiot!
StanW

Yeah, martha. I'll keep remininding you of your inability to perform even the simplest task. Now, run away!