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Debate Analysis: Winners And Losers Of The Fox/Google Debate
Written By : John Hawkins

The Fox/Google Debate covered a lot of old ground, spent too much time focused on Romney and Perry, and there weren’t a lot of great lines delivered. In other words, it wasn’t a particularly exciting debate.

Winner — Mitt Romney He was consistently good, sharp, funny, and he won his exchanges with Perry. Although the next block of candidates probably performed as well as Romney, he benefitted from having the debate centered on him and Perry. He was good and they were good, but the format allowed him to be good for a longer period of time.

2) Rick Santorum / Herman Cain / and Newt Gingrich: Gingrich was outstanding, as per usual. Cain, who was fantastic in his first debate, has been a little flat since then. Tonight, he was very good and his story about how he would have died under Obamacare really hit home. Santorum had his 2nd strong debate in a row as well. Surprisingly, he even punked Rick Perry on immigration on one point. Since they were all so good, it was hard to pick between them, but all three candidates helped themselves tonight.

5) Jon Huntsman: Huntsman had a pretty good night, just not quite as good as the four people in front of him. It seems doubtful that this debate helped him a lot, but it probably didn’t hurt him either and if there are people out there who’re favorably inclined towards him, but wanted to hear a little more of what he’s all about, then this might have moved them off of the fence.

6) Michele Bachmann: Bachmann has impaled herself on the Gardasil issue. She sounds HORRIBLE on it and she really didn’t stand out with her other answers tonight. The magnificent Michele Bachmann from the first debate has been nowhere to be seen since then.

7) Gary Johnson and Ron Paul: Johnson had the line of the night, which was that his neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel ready jobs than Obama. Of course, he also said he wanted to cut defense by 43%. Paul managed to make it through the night without rambling on about militarism; so he sounded generally good. However, now you have two candidates on the stage fighting for that same sliver of the GOP base. Over the long haul, if Johnson gets any traction, a good bit of it will probably come at Paul’s expense.

9) Loser — Rick Perry: Perry was off his game badly tonight. He seemed distracted and unfocused. In fact, he reminded me of George Bush in his second term, when his handlers had beaten all of the interesting Texas swagger out of him and he just mumbled mostly forgettable mush. Perry also was further exposed on illegal immigration. In fact, Rick Santorum just stomped him on the issue. Perry also made the mistake of saying that people who are against the DREAM Act have no heart, which is going to be extremely offensive to a lot of conservatives, who do oppose the DREAM Act and are tired of being attacked as racists, bigots, and heartless because they don’t want to reward people for their illegal behavior. Perry’s poor performance, combined with Mitt’s strong one, will probably be enough to push Mitt ahead of him in a few polls — at least for the moment.

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  • Anonymous

    And in the media and to the left all of that is irrelevant. The talking point is out; “the right booed a gay soldier”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Yep… THAT was the moment they were looking for, just like the stupid fiction wolf came up with!

      That clip will go on and on for days with every little commie group but Santorum is CORRECT the military is not there to be a social club or some idiot commies experiment.

      • Anonymous

        ya the same thing was said when they integrated the armed forces.  The military will be just fine.

        • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

          You Liberals just love comparing the (very real) fight for civil rights to wanting to mainstream the gay lifestyle, don’t you?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Just a little FYI commie….

          The military was “integrated” before the civil war and during the revolution, it was “integrated” during the civil war and looooong after that until WILSON in the 30′s came along and like every other democrat racist always does FORCED  desegrigation on the military until a REPUBLICAN like Dr King came along and fixed it……

          Which proves as always the the democrats or more corectly the party who created the KKK keep ruining things until a republican comes along and stops them!!

          • Anonymous

            Wow, I’m impressed, you didn’t even need to bring up the black baby killing aspect of the Democrat party.

            –Kudos–

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

            Thanks Spiky :)

            Its all there for anyone to look up and learn.Whats sad is the dumb commies don’t even realize how bigoted and hateful their party is because of the fantasy land delusion they inhabit….

            Hugz!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Just a little FYI commie….

          The military was “integrated” before the civil war and during the revolution, it was “integrated” during the civil war and looooong after that until WILSON in the 30′s came along and like every other democrat racist always does FORCED  desegrigation on the military until a REPUBLICAN like Dr King came along and fixed it……

          Which proves as always the the democrats or more corectly the party who created the KKK keep ruining things until a republican comes along and stops them!!

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Actually no, that’s not what was said, but even if it was, that’s irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

    • Fail_Baby_Fail

      So much for supporting our troops. A truly pathetic moment into the thinking of the right.

      • Daytrip

        I don’t remember anyone asking the enlisted troops how they felt about the whole issue. Would you want an open homosexual staring at your penis the next time you had to do a urinalysis? Be forced to share a 12×12 barracks room? Why not just make the whole damn Army take co-ed showers, any females who don’t like it can just be more open minded. The point is, the military doesn’t spare any expense to give it’s members any privacy. Maybe if you championed a right to privacy like you do for whatever other rights you make up on the average day it wouldn’t even be such an issue.

        • TheDarkKnight

          Would you want an open homosexual staring at your penis the next time you had to do a urinalysis?

          Personally, I couldn’t care less. I’ve had straight guys glance over while taking a piss…

          You wanna look?  Go ahead.. you’re never getting any of it.

          The point is that this should have been a non-issue.  By forcing it to the forefront all the gay lobby is trying to achieve is full endorsement of their lifestyle.

          Tolerance is what they had under DADT and that wasn’t good enough.

          That should tell you all you need to know.

        • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

          “Would you want an open homosexual staring at your penis the next time you had to do a urinalysis?”

          Don’t ask; he probably would.

      • Anonymous

        lol….case in point….good little drone

      • TheDarkKnight

        Why is it so important for the world to know that a soldier or officer is gay?

        If they are allowed to serve, side by side, with other members of the military why is it so important for people to know they are gay?

        Are they afraid of harassment?  Don’t tell people you are gay.. you won’t be a target.

        Are they uncomfortable in ‘heterosexual’ situations?  Avoid them like others who are offended do.

        I don’t buy the ‘living a lie’ excuse either.. noone is asking them to pretend to be heterosexual are they?  Are lesbians being forced to have intercourse with men?  Are gay men being forced to perform sexual acts with women?

        No?

        Oh.. then I guess they aren’t ‘living a lie’ then are they?  They are gay – they world doesn’t need to know anymore about their sexual preferences/practices than they do mine.

        It is, and should have remained, a non-issue.

        Nothing more than another attempt by a minority group to inflict their will onto a larger group of people under the guise of ‘tolerance’… 

        Tolerance isn’t the goal – the goal is endorsement.

        • Anonymous

          Why is it so important for the world to know that a soldier or officer is gay?

          This bears repeating.

          There is no reason on Earth for this “openly serving homosexuals” nonsense. It has nothing to do with getting the maximum number of qualified soldiers. If that’s what they wanted, they had that in the form of DADT.

          What does “openly serving” even mean, anyway? Does the left want to see lots of swishy effeminate soldiers accessorizing their combat fatigues with feather boas and bright pastel colors? Hopefully not. But if not, then what’s the point? If a gay soldier would act just the same as a straight soldier, then why bother divulging his sexual orientation in the first place? What is the problem with letting his sexuality remain a secret?

          • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

            “Does the left want to see lots of swishy effeminate soldiers accessorizing their combat fatigues with feather boas and bright pastel colors?”
             
            Well, you gotta admit that it would scare the living shit out of the jihadis. :)

          • TheDarkKnight

            So would coating our munitions in pig’s blood.

        • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

          “So would coating our munitions in pig’s blood. ”
           
          Let’s just send cases of this stuff to our troops, then.
          SILVER BULLET GUN OIL CONTAINS 13% USDA LIQUEFIED PIG FAT.
          http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/

      • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

        “So much for supporting the troops.”

        We support the troops. We do not support gay activists trying to use them in social engineering experiments.

        • Anonymous

          Precisely!

        • Anonymous

          Precisely!

        • Anonymous

          Precisely!

      • Anonymous

        Should heterosexuals be more vocal about being heterosexual?  No one who is heterosexaul seems to feel the need to let everybody know (unless they are misunderstood for being homosexual).

        It immediately brings one’s thoughts to the bedroom.  Do we really need to go there in normal conversation?

        Should people who have chosen to be celibate, also advertise their status? 

        Why are we so obsessed with the bedroom? 

        Why can’t we be tolerant of homosexuality without having it consume our conversation and dialogue?   

        • TheDarkKnight

          Why can’t we be tolerant of homosexuality without having it consume our conversation and dialogue

          Because tolerance was never the goal.

          DADT was tolerance.  Feel free to serve, just like everyone else.. we don’t care if you’re gay – we aren’t going to ask because we don’t want to know.

          Endorsement is the goal.

  • Canddmf

    Herman Cain was great all night and so was Newt.

    Perry was horrible tonight…that is right!  His illegal immigration stance seems to be a deal breaker!

    • Anonymous

      Cain and Newt were both good and I’d choose Cain over Newt simply because Cain comes across as more real, natural and unscripted. This is probably due to Cain being much smarter than Newt.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul 83.9%(16,823 votes)
    Mitt Romney 4.7%(944 votes)
    Michele Bachmann 4.4%(878 votes)
    Herman Cain 3.5%(706 votes)
    Newt Gingrich 1.8%(351 votes)
    Tim Pawlenty 1.1%(220 votes)
    Rick Santorum 0.6%(129 votes)

    Source:http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/13/6851987-poll-who-won-tonights-gop-debate?filterBy=po-151449

    • Anonymous

      Note, please, that the overwhelming winner in that Fox post-debate poll, Ron Paul, is barely mentioned in this article.

      People, the media are in the process of selecting your next President for you, just as they did in 2008.  Are you going to let them do it again?

      • Anonymous

        Note, please, that Ron Paul has NEVER lost an online poll, ever. You know why? We do… because you guys bomb everyone of them with multiple sockpuppet accounts.

        • Anonymous

          GOB, I’m really surprised that you don’t like Ron Paul for he is the closest to a Constitutionalist in the running.

          I know the flaw in my sentence is; “in the running” so no need to point that out.

          Thanks

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Yeah, but they’ll never learn.

  • Anonymous

    Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791:

    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Ron Paul: “…the responsibility of the president would be to veto every single bill that violates the 10th amendment…”

    The only problem is that the Democrats and Republicans would end up hugging each other in order to get all of their pork passed.

  • Hologram5

    You know, I just don’t think I can vote for Romney, even if he did get the “Nod”.  I can read people by watching how they speak, their body language and there is something about this guy that I don’t like.  I can’t put my finger on it but I’m rarely wrong when it comes to this.  I knew from OPlunder’s first speech he was bad news but nobody listened to me locally.

  • Hologram5

    You know, I just don’t think I can vote for Romney, even if he did get the “Nod”.  I can read people by watching how they speak, their body language and there is something about this guy that I don’t like.  I can’t put my finger on it but I’m rarely wrong when it comes to this.  I knew from OPlunder’s first speech he was bad news but nobody listened to me locally.

  • Hologram5

    You know, I just don’t think I can vote for Romney, even if he did get the “Nod”.  I can read people by watching how they speak, their body language and there is something about this guy that I don’t like.  I can’t put my finger on it but I’m rarely wrong when it comes to this.  I knew from OPlunder’s first speech he was bad news but nobody listened to me locally.

    • TheDarkKnight

      Same here…

      I can vividly recall O’Bamski’s “Two Americas” speech at the 2004 Democrat Convention…  I turned to my relatives/friends and said:

      “Oh man.. this guy’s trouble.”

      • Anonymous

        I’m pretty good at intuition and first impressions and I had the opposite reaction. I knew his positions and history and was not impressed to say the least. I’d watch a speech and think “man, this guy’s good, he makes sense”. It would quickly wear off after the speech. Now he can’t even give a good speech, don’t know how he could have lost that.
        Also pegged him for gay and Michelle someone that didn’t care, just along for the lucrative ride.

        • TheDarkKnight

          I’m pretty good at intuition and first impressions

          For what it’s worth.. you may want to rethink that particular ‘skill’.

          :-)

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      Romney has proven that he’s willing to say anything to anyone, even contradicting himself and lying, to win elections, and that’s just not something we need to encourage.

  • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

    “Mitt Romney … was consistently good, sharp, funny, and he won his exchanges with Perry.”

    Yet he flat-out lied about changing his book. He did remove a line about spreading Romneycare to the whole country.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      Romney has proved that he’s willing to say anything, to anyone, about anything just to get power.  That in its self – even discounting his awful record – is enough to disqualify anyone from high office.

  • HammerNH

    I will never understand why homosexuals REQUIRE others to know they are homosexual.
    No straight person EVER begins a conversation with “I’m openly straight”
    Yet even on this season’s ‘Survivor’ TV show, one of the players IMMEDIATELY self-identifies as openly homosexual.
    The lack of consideration for others is appalling.

    Why would we WANT to know your sexual behavior?
    Being disgusted by that behavior is not (as they want to call it) ‘homophobic’ – it just disgusted.

    • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

      “I will never understand why homosexuals REQUIRE others to know they are homosexual.”
       
      Trolling for dates, maybe? Reason suggests that the easiest way for them to find others of the same ilk is to advertise.

    • Anonymous

      It always amuses me that homosexuals want to “keep the government out of our sex lives!” but have no problem displaying their sex lives for all to see.

    • Anonymous

      It always amuses me that homosexuals want to “keep the government out of our sex lives!” but have no problem displaying their sex lives for all to see.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Thats the whole issue with “pride” in the community they want to be proud…. Ok… Thats fine….

      The problem is that once you get that little trophy for playing in pee wee football its just kinda weird to keep bragging and being proud about it when you turn 50….

      It’s like that Shania twain song…

      Ok so your a rocket scientest… that dont impress me much….

      I’m like so your gay…. Ya got something else???

      It’s not a difficult concept to grasp!

  • Anonymous

    Q: Who said this in the GOP debate: “You have no heart” unless you support using taxpayer money to provide special benefits to ILLEGALS.

    a. ANY lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist looking for fraudulent votes from ILLEGALS
    b. rick “I love ILLEGALS” perry

    HINT: perry OPPOSES a fence to help control the border, he OPPOSES Arizona’s SB1070 ILLEGALS control law, he OPPOSES E-verify, he has not said a word against OBOZO-the-Clown’s executive order granting back-door AMNESTY to ILLEGALS (like his Uncle Omar) and Numbers USA, a group that supports immigration control, gives Perry a “D-“ for his positions supporting amnesty, open borders, and opposing border security.

    Can you say “TEXAS TOAST” ?

  • lrgon

    If they would ask Paul more than four questions in a two hour long debate that would be something!

    These “debates” tend to be the “Rick and Mitt show” and a few questions are thrown out to the rest with Paul and now Johnson getting the least amount of questions asked of them. Fair and Balanced is the term. If your name is mentioned by one of th eopponets youare entilted to a 30 second rebutal, unless the name mentioned by one of the debaters (Santorum) is Paul’s, then we may ignore that Fox instituted “forum rule!”

    On that militarism rambling accusation. I wonder if you would say the same of James Madison and Jefferson were they on the same stage with the militarists and interventionsists that are Newt, the two Ricks, Mitt, Cain and Bachmann. Huntsman says it’s time to bring troops home from Afganistan and Iraq but said nothing about Libya. This president has sent US troops into the Ivory Coast,Yemen and Pakistan and he is not the “nut?”

    That debate stage is filled with GOP candidates that attack the government’s wild spending polices and welfare handouts, yet only Paul and Johnson want to end the “foreign aid” welfare! For sticking to his principles and bring consistent to the Constitution Paul is attacked and labelled an anti-Semite for daring to say that he would take  the Arab nations and Israel off the welfare rolls!  

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