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James Lee Is The Environmentalist Movement’s Scott Roeder
Written By : John Hawkins

Unfortunately, there are dangerous kooks, trigger-happy wackos, and lone gunmen out there. Bad people exist. Crazy people exist — and every so often, one of them snaps and there’s a resulting body count. To most people, this is just a tragic fact of life.

However, to liberals in the media who are forever baffled by events that the average person has grasped since he was a child, these killers tend to break down into three groups. If they’re devout Muslims and are connected to terrorists, then they must have killed for some reason OTHER than their religion. If they’re conservative murderers, then they must have killed because of Glenn Beck, talk radio, the Tea Party movement, or whoever the hot conservative villain of the moment is and they’re obviously part of a wider trend. On the other hand, if they’re liberal, well then, at best the killer in question must be some random wacko who should immediately be forgotten. At worst, liberals try to paint leftward leaning killers as conservatives. They did this with Pentagon shooter John Patrick Bedell, who was a registered Democrat and the Holocaust museum shooter, James Von Brunn, who was an “anti-Christian, 9/11 ‘truther’ who hated the Bushes and ‘the neo-cons’”. — John Hawkins, “Liberal Violence: Five Names You Should Know”

Yesterday, a surprisingly run-of-mill, left-wing enviro-wacko named James Lee took people hostage at the Discovery Channel headquarters.

Lee, who was inspired by Al Gore’s documentary ‘An Inconvenient Truth‘ (The Turner Diaries of the wacky left, apparently) showed up at the building with guns, explosives, and a wacky manifesto demanding that we reduce the human population. Happily, only one member of the human population, James Lee, was reduced during the stand-off. Granted, it might have been amusing to hear him rave about how inspirational Al Gore was when he was on trial, but the fact that he’s dead means that there’s no chance that some sympathetic left-wing judge might only give him a slap on the wrist.

Now, some people have latched on to the fact that Lee railed against “anchor babies” to try to portray him as an anti-immigration right-winger, but this is ignorance at best and disingenuousness at worst.

Many hard core environmentalists ARE anti-illegal immigration for a very obvious reason: People in poor countries have smaller carbon footprints than people in prosperous nations. In other words, the poorer people are, the less greenhouse gasses they pump out, and the happier the Al Gore crowd is. Granted, they don’t apply these rules to themselves, just as James Lee didn’t choose to lower the load on the planet by shooting himself in the head instead of taking hostages, but nevertheless, this is what they believe.

When I interviewed Roy Beck of NumbersUSA, the premier anti-illegal organization in America, he explained why the environmental aspect of the issue appeals to the LEft:

Right. NumbersUSA is a bit unusual in that you make a strong case that environmentalists should oppose illegal immigration. Talk about that argument for a minute.

Well, I mean especially with you writing for the Right Wing — we’re very clear that we are a non-ideological organization. We only deal with immigration, unlike an awful lot of groups that do deal with immigration and that are conservative, because they deal with a lot of conservative issues.

We deal just with immigration and we try to pull together people from the entire political spectrum. So we do. We attract a lot of environmentalists. We’ve got about 36 people who are either contractors or employees — and on that staff we have people across the political structure. We’ve got Republicans and Independents and Democrats and environmentalists and people who are pro-business and national sovereignty.

Except for a very small percentage of Americans, being for protecting the environmental resources of this country and the natural beauty and clean air is not something people disagree about.

The disagreement comes in how that’s done, how fast it’s done. Who pays for it? The regulations. You know that’s where the disagreements come from.

I actually covered environmental issues in the 1960s. I was one of the first reporters in the country that did that and what most people don’t know and the rest don’t remember — is the environmental movement in the 60s was actually about even Republicans and Democrats — but what’s happened over the last 20 years is that most of the really big groups, especially like the Sierra Club, have become pretty much wholly-owned subsidiaries of the Democratic Party — and not just the subsidiaries, but the very left wing. That wing was there in the 60s, but it wasn’t the predominant wing. That wing of the environmental movement (wants) to change the whole structure of society and government, kind of the Green Party in Europe.

What we try to do on the environmental side is to say regardless of where you are on the environment, on what your solutions are, the fact is you will be unsuccessful in the long-term if you continue to fill the United States with massive population growth from immigration.

Immigration and the fertility of immigrants is the only long-term cause of the population growth in this country. …The fact is we have this ramp in population growth here which makes……. which constantly puts pressure on more regulation, more regimentation. So, at least for conservatives we’re saying the faster this population grows from immigration, the more pressure there is for bigger government, more regulation which you hate. If you’re a liberal, we say the more population growth from immigration we have, the less likely it is that we are to actually meet these environmental goals.

…Most people could understand that if you add three million people a year to your country, that’s going to have a lot of inter-environmental impact. And of that three million, about two and a half million of that three million can be accounted for from new immigrants, legal and illegal, and from the births of immigrants. That’s two and a half million a year. Again, it’s just like with the jobs. Why are we doing it to ourselves? We have all these falling apart roads and bridge infrastructure in this country that we can’t maintain because we’re so busy having to build the additional infrastructure to handle the immigrants.

If you read his manifesto, what Lee said is perfectly consistent with the environmental thinking there,

Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

Conservative objections to illegal immigration and anchor babies have nothing to do with “pollution babies.”

So, let’s cut to it: Should we blame Al Gore for this? How about James Hansen? What about James Cameron who said, and I quote, “I believe in ecoterrorism.”

Well, in James Cameron’s case, yeah, he does deserve some of the blame. When you encourage ecoterrorism in the name of saving the environment, you’re advocating exactly the sort of thing that James Lee did.

As to the rest of the environmental movement that doesn’t go to that extreme, there’s a very strong comparison that can be made between James Lee and Scott Roeder, the man who killed George Tiller. Both the anti-abortion movement and the environmentalist movement are large, strident about what they believe, and for the most part, reject violence. In fact, given the way that so many liberals have winked at groups like ELF, I would say that the anti-abortion movement takes a much tougher line on violence than the environmental movement.

Yet, liberals tried to use Scott Roeder to smear the entire anti-abortion movement. I didn’t agree with that when it was done and I won’t use James Lee to smear the entire environmental movement. But, I will say that Lee is very comparable to Roeder and if you thought Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, and Christians across the country had a responsibility to apologize and speak out after Tiller was murdered, then unless you’re an incredible hypocrite, you should be demanding that Al Gore, Daniel Quinn and environmentalists across the country apologize and speak out. What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

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  • ATeaPartyPatriot

    An Inconvenient Truth: AL Gore LIED, and an ECO-NUT Terrorist DIED.

    • UFKA_Smithwick

      Actually this is a pretty nice outcome.

      I would say as long as they only get themselves killed and no one else is harmed at all they should keep this up.

      Besides, there are too many people right? Seems like a win-win for both sides.

  • TheDickNixon

    Al Gore has blood on his hands. Hopefully, someone will civil suit him and during discovery we can find out how much this modern day PT Barnum has hustled out of people over the myth of man made global warming.

  • canoworms27

    at this point in time….I' tired of all the he said , she said … the true blame is the american people…for taking granted yer ability to be self sufficient….instead you worry about the wallpaper…

    • AF_Vet

      I'm sure this would make sense if I were stoned.

  • canoworms27

    I would welcome …honest thought….?

  • StanW

    What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.

    John, you know good and well that this will NEVER happen.

    In Liberal world, when anyone who calls themselves a Conservative speaks, it is as if we all have spoken. How many times have Liberals been on here demanding that we repudiate the words of Pat Robertson or Ann Coulter. They feign some type of moral outrage at the words, and then get totally indignant at the rest of us when we do not produce the same sputtering rage as they. Just yesterday, one of our more charming trolls here was throwing idiotic platitudes at me, which I shot right back. One of the phrase he used against me was “Kneecapping Barak Obama at every opportunity”, as if I had said that.

    But when the person in question is a Liberal, the polar opposite is true. That person in question like Lee is an individual, having nothing to do with Liberalism or their cause du jour. To them, James Lee is not a Liberal, he is not an eco-terrorist, and none of the books he read or used in his quest matter. He was a lone nut, unaffiliated with any Liberal Cause. And therefore, he does nto even concern them. If you try to make the connection between Lee and Roeder a week from now, most of them will say “Who is James Lee???”

    Being a Liberal means never saying you are sorry! FOR ANYTHING!

  • http://conservativebootcamp.com Martin Hale

    John, while I agree with your overall comparison of Lee and Roeder, there is one dimension along which I think the comparison breaks down. That dimension is with respect to the stimulii to which the two men were responding.

    Roeder learned the talking points which eventually made him crazy within the confines of a relatively small group of people who don't have a widespread public presence. While lots of people have opinions on abortion, abortion, as a social issue, is simply not as omnipresent in our mass media. You have to actively seek out the abortion issue, because, though it's talked about, it doesn't rise to the forefront of social attention all that often. Sure, it's an issue that's mentioned from time to time, but it's entirely possible to read an entire newsmagazine or newspaper without seeing the issue mentioned once. It's entirely possible to sit down and watch teevee for a whole night without seeing one mention of abortion or without seeing one advert which mentions abortion.

    'Green', on the other hand, is everywhere. If if isn't NBC 'stars' giving 30-second “Did You Know” PSA's on 'green' issues, it's CBS talent doing “CBS Cares” spots about them. It's every script writer creating the ideas for every teevee drama and every teevee sitcom inserting 'green' issues as plot devices into their stories. It's NBC's former parent corporation, GE, advertising it's 'green' jet engines to the masses even though none of those masses are ever going to buy one, or even build their travel plans around planes employing those engines. It's every product advert on teevee praising the 'green' bona fides of not only the product being hyped, but the company as well. It's being unable to get through a newscast or newspaper or news telecast without being told a couple of times that “manmadeanthropogenicglobalclimatewarmingchange” was the cause of something bad. And I doubt you'll ever see a reality teevee show built around a group of people perpetrating acts of violence and property damage in the name of opposing abortion as you see in the name of 'green'. I know I've seen adverts for that show and in them heard the organiser speak about telling recruits that there's physical danger in what the group does, and further that if they aren't prepared to die for his cause, he doesn't want them in his group. Have you ever seen a serialised teevee show about an anti-abortion group which plans and conducts raids on abortion clinics and abortionists with the objective of stopping them or die trying? That's a potent message for a emotionally fragile or mentally marginal person to deal with and it's aired every week, if not several times a week.

    So, while Roeder had to actively search out the neurosis which eventually consumed him, Lee, had only to passively watch teevee, read newspapers and magazines, or read news on the internet to have the neurosis which consumed him rammed into his consciousness. He didn't have to seek out those messages – they were all around him on a daily basis. They were sanctioned and supported by all the typical sources of authority around him – the networks and their on-air talent, corporate advertisers, celebrities, the editorial boards of papers and magazines. It's the omnipresence of the 'green' message which I think makes it very different from the anti-abortion crowd and their message.

    Were I a betting man, I'd be much more likely to bet on the Lee case being repeated before the Roeder case, simply because the messages behind it are so omnipresent that it's more likely to impact one of those emotionally fragile/mentally marginal people in our society.

  • D-Vega

    A nut took people hostage because he was a nut.

    No one is to blame but the nut.

    • UFKA_Smithwick

      If only your side said the same thing of McVeigh or Roeder.

      • D-Vega

        I always try to be careful on the record when it comes to hostages and people being killed.

        It different if someone seeks to incite violence, like Hal Turner.

        Everyone else should be able to deal with the politics, no matter the stakes, without resorting to violence.

        • UFKA_Smithwick

          Too bad then you don't run the media.

          As the official DNC/MSM party line for the Roeder incident was that he perfectly represented the entire anti-abortion side of the debate and the right in general.

          Also the census taker that was “murdered” springs to mind.

          • D-Vega

            I don't subscribe to that line of thinking. Because it is narrow minded and it means that any one nut is able to affect the debate with one nutty act.

            The irony is that the nutty act usually has the opposite affect and hurts the very same same cause that the nut, in their nutty logic, sought to support.

          • UFKA_Smithwick

            Again, it's nice that you do this, but that isn't the case with the MSM.

            “The irony is that the nutty act usually has the opposite affect and hurts the very same same cause that the nut, in their nutty logic, sought to support. “

            So you're saying he's a rightwing plant sent in to discredit the green movement? I knew it! It couldn't have been a liberal, they're all peaceful and nuanced and awesome.

            Typical rightwingers.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      True enough. Too bad he was such an environmentalist idiot; still, he took his ideas to their natural conclusion.

  • UFKA_Smithwick

    I think he will be worse because no one on the right publicly defended or supported Roeders actions. In fact the condemnation was immediate and without reservations.

    I do not expect (and so far I am correct) the same response from the left.

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