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Muslim Brotherhood Plans To Form Political Party In Egypt

Written By : William Teach

There’s absolutely nothing to worry about. I know this because Smart Liberals said so. They are apparently a “non-violent secular group.” So, we should have no reason to be concerned

Egypt’s long banned Muslim Brotherhood said Tuesday it intends to form a political party once democracy is established, as the country’s new military rulers launched a panel of experts to amend the country’s constitution enough to allow democratic elections later this year.

The military’s choices for the panel’s makeup were a sign of the new political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood, the fundamentalist group that was the most bitter rival of Mubarak’s regime. Among the panel’s members is Sobhi Saleh, a former lawmaker from the Brotherhood seen as part of its reformist wing.

The question is, what will happen? Is the MB serious about wanting freedom for the people over Islamist values? Will they push hardcore Islamism and Sharia law? One of the main guiding principles of the Muslim Brotherhood is to slowly infiltrate nations and politics, slowly integrating Islamist values, until they are ready to strike, violently, if necessary. The Wall Street Journal points out

Moaz Abdel Karim, an affable 29-year-old who was among a handful of young activists who plotted the recent protests here, is the newest face of the Muslim Brotherhood. His political views on women’s rights, religious freedom and political pluralism mesh with Western democratic values. He is focused on the fight for democracy and human rights in Egypt.

A different face of the Brotherhood is that of Mohamed Badi, 66-year-old veterinarian from the Brotherhood’s conservative wing who has been the group’s Supreme Guide since last January. He recently pledged the Brotherhood would “continue to raise the banner of jihad” against the Jews, which he called the group’s “first and foremost enemies.” He has railed against American imperialism, and calls for the establishment of an Islamic state.

So, which one? Obviously, it is “Islamophobia” to simply discuss the potential impacts of the Muslim Brotherhood in government (funny how liberals have no problem with highly religious Islamists in government, but, pitch a Category 10 hissy fit if the 10 Commandments, the bedrock of not only the worlds 3 major religions, but also that of most nations laws). The MB are surely just benign cute and fuzzy Muslims who won’t cause any problems.

The outlawed Islamist opposition group is plagued by rifts between young and old, reformist and hard-liner. There are big city deal-making politicians, and conservative rural preachers who eschew politics in favor of proselytizing Islam.

And which one ends up in control? How reformist are this young members? Many of the younger ones want freedom for women, and full equality for Christians. They also say they want the peace accords with Israel to be kept in full. They also want big government control of the people’s lives.

The problem is, we do not know what will occur. Nor does the US have much input into the situation. Only time will tell.

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove. Follow me on Twitter @WilliamTeach.

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

Iran 2: Electric Boogaloo!
TP Party tonight!

Conservatives are constantly looking for something to be frightened of, even if it’s just their own shadows. Fear is the smallest room in the house, a dwelling where the recipient is easily manipulated because the logical portion of the brain used by rational people is bypassed so that the only reaction is visceral.

Oh, Muslims, in a brotherhood, campaigning to be elected freely. Oh nos! Fox needs to get people scared over this!

Anonymous

Typical liberal. No attempt to refute the argument, just ad hominem attacks.

Anonymous

I hope after mr Hawkins get the site updated,he’ll do a little more to keep this piece of shit troll off the board.

Anonymous

I must have missed the post. When is he updating the site?

TP Party tonight!

When his parents up his weekly allowance, which will only happen after he loses 30 more pounds.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Flagged for blatant trolling and libel.

Thanks for proving your an asshole and not making us guess.

Anonymous

Flagged for trolling, threadjacking, cyber-trespassing, sock puppet posting, and being the oft banned troll “jack_shite/zimmy/pete”.

What are you going to do, child, when Hawkins gets irritated enough with your antics that he contacts your ISP’s abuse department about your behavior? It’s pretty damned annoying to wake up and find your internet access locked pending investigation.

TR

TP Party tonight!

Listen Peter Pan, this is a public discussion. You do not own the discussion. Get over yourself.

I would love to meet you in person. Fools like you are so tough online but in real life you are most likely a pansi.

Pansi Peter Pan, a new name for you!

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Thi is a private site owned and operated by a private entity, You do not have a right to post here, dipshit.
Anonymous

It’s public discussion…but it still has rules. More importantly you have been asked to leave this place several times now. How hard is that to grasp?

I would love to meet you in person. Fools like you are so tough online but in real life you are most likely a pansi.

trench_raider@yahoo.com

TR

StanW

Let me know when the child contacts you, Trench. And if you agree to meet, I’ll be there, vidoe camera in hand.
Mahatma

Why didn’t Trenchie get banned for this type of threatening behavior once before?
StanW

And what threat was mentioned here? I didn’t see any.
Mahatma

Is that a threat to physical harm trenchie? Didn’t you get banned for that behavior once before? Tsk, tsk. Some weenies never learn.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Shut-up Asshatma, if we wanted your opinion, we’d beat it out of you.
StanW

That was TP threatening Trench, you idiot.

Burt you have no problem with that, do you?
Anonymous

I was never banned for physical threat, child.

Why are you lying?

TR
Mahatma

Let me rephrase that. You were banned for encouraging physical violence. If you whine this is a lie, give us your interpretation of your getting the boot, peter pan.

Mahatma

TP don’t take trenchies bait unless you are using a proxy. Girly boy will try to get your IP and tattle to your provider. Nothing will come of it except the thrill trenchie gets from it. I’m guessing 75-80% of troll activity on this blog comes as a result of trenchies brat like behavior.
Anonymous

Listen Peter Pan, this is a public discussion.

No it isn’t. This is a private site and we are all guests who visit at the pleasure of John Hawkins. He sets the rules. You are breaking them by trolling. Thus, your posts get flagged for review.

You want that to stop happening? Stop trolling.

StanW

There is a difference between fear and concern, and we have every reason to be concerned by the Muslim Brotherhood. Especially with their past and this administration going so far out of their way to lie and say that they are a secular organization.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You mean like SARS, MMGW/AGW, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, DDT, the next Ice Age, Christians wanting to make the US a theocracy, Sarah Palin, and global economic collapse without govt intervention, that fearmongering? Oh wait that was the Left and none of them are fear worthy, meanwhile Muslims have been vowing(and acting on) death to all non-Muslims for 1400+ years!

And we’re the ones being irrational? Hypocrite look in the mirror, see that black helicopter behind you?

Anonymous

Boom! That was awesome, bthewolf. All the crap I kept hearing about Swine flu and every Chicken Little scare tactic used by the left and the one legitimate threat they aren’t concerned with is terrorism.
TP Party tonight!

We already know you don’t believe in science, and you’re pussy whipped by half term.

Fail!

StanW

What science? the science that keep putting you and your ilk in their place by exposing you for the lying cowards that you are?

THAT science?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Really science proved global warming when? As someone with a degree in mathematics Ill take you lack of knowledge of science with all the humor it implies. You’re as ignorant of science as you are of all other reality.

Joebritton

You quoted Sarah Palin. You may think you have a mind of your own, but I would have to conclude that it is not of a particularly high caliber. You had a choice: follow the Reagan-Bush traditionalists, or Sarah Palin (TM) and her angry undereducated bunch.

You chose. Now live with it.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Where and when have I ever quoted Sarah Plain, slowjoe? You’ll have to provide proof of that little bit of idiocy.

Meanwhile you rarely post anything of your own but frequently post snippets of columns from various liberals and leftards like Paul Krugman. Guess that makes you the one whose mind is not his own.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Where and when have I ever quoted Sarah Plain, slowjoe? You’ll have to provide proof of that little bit of idiocy.

Meanwhile you rarely post anything of your own but frequently post snippets of columns from various liberals and leftards like Paul Krugman. Guess that makes you the one whose mind is not his own.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Where and when have I ever quoted Sarah Plain, slowjoe? You’ll have to provide proof of that little bit of idiocy.

Meanwhile you rarely post anything of your own but frequently post snippets of columns from various liberals and leftards like Paul Krugman. Guess that makes you the one whose mind is not his own.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Where and when have I ever quoted Sarah Plain, slowjoe? You’ll have to provide proof of that little bit of idiocy.

Meanwhile you rarely post anything of your own but frequently post snippets of columns from various liberals and leftards like Paul Krugman. Guess that makes you the one whose mind is not his own.

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“Conservatives are constantly looking for something to be frightened of, even if it’s just people actively trying to kill us who have the stated aim of subjugating the world to their primitive religion.”

Fixed that for ya.
http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“Conservatives are constantly looking for something to be frightened of, even if it’s just people actively trying to kill us who have the stated aim of subjugating the world to their primitive religion.”

Fixed that for ya.
http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“Conservatives are constantly looking for something to be frightened of, even if it’s just people actively trying to kill us who have the stated aim of subjugating the world to their primitive religion.”

Fixed that for ya.
http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“Conservatives are constantly looking for something to be frightened of, even if it’s just people actively trying to kill us who have the stated aim of subjugating the world to their primitive religion.”

Fixed that for ya.

Anonymous

I’d be more worried about a civil war before anything else. There are clearly fundamentalist and pro-Western factions, and neither had a voice under Mubarak. Neither is likely to accept a rise to power (democratic or otherwise) by the other without a fight. There are more scores to settle here before any permanent government takes hold.

In all honesty, Israel doesn’t have much to worry about short term. Any Egyptian government that wanted to invade would have to secure the loyalty of the military, then crush the pro-democracy and pro-Western factions. They would also need to rally the other Arab states, who have problems of their own right now. A unilateral invasion of Israel would be suicide.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The route this is taking is not going that much differently from Iran. There is no way The Brotherhood will allow more progressive elements to hold any sway. They and the Egyptian populous are overwhelmingly fundamentalist. The chances of a moderate party coming to power are slim, and the chances that Egypt will become a function democracy are nil.

Could I be wrong? Of course. Is it likely that I’m wrong? About as likely as me not posting this.

Oh, whatdya know, I posted it…

Anonymous

It’s an easy thing to acomplish. He can do one of two things:
-Hire a new moderator or three and declare a “kill on site” policy on posts by known trolls. That is the most effective as when the kiddies find their posts are not being seen for more than a few minutes they eventually get bored/frustrated and leave.
-Contact the troll’s ISP and file a complaint for his violation of the ISP’s ToS. (all reputable providers have bans of cyber-tresspassing and harrassment in their ToS) Jack is very unlikely to have been masking his IP address in his early posts, so itshould be easy to get a valid IP address for him.

TR

StanW

An even easier fix would be for Mr. Hawkins to do what many other Disqus users have done, that is to require registration to post. This GUEST posting is allowing many to post using multiple name in order to confuse the posters here. It also gives them fake credibility, as if several people agree with the crap they fling.
StanW

An even easier fix would be for Mr. Hawkins to do what many other Disqus users have done, that is to require registration to post. This GUEST posting is allowing many to post using multiple name in order to confuse the posters here. It also gives them fake credibility, as if several people agree with the crap they fling.
TP Party tonight!

Oh grow a pair you pansi. Didn’t you ever learn to ignore that which bothers you? Honestly, you are like a petulant child who needs his diaper changed because it’s so full of shit.

Anonymous

First off, you would never speak to me in such a manner in the real world. Trolls like you are physical cowards.

Second, you are not one to accuse anyone of being a “child”. Adults know that life has rules and respect them. How many times have you been banned from this site since the Disqus change over? How can you justify your behavior? How will you try to justify it when you have to call your ISP’s abuse center to get your service restored?

TR

Mahatma

Adults know that life has rules and respect them. Good lord trenchie, you are the poster child for the right wing Strong Father Figure prototype. You NEED rules telling you how to behave. You expect people to do as you say. Pitiful actually. You’d still be laying belly down to the English had you been around in the 1700′s.
Mahatma

Adults know that life has rules and respect them. Good lord trenchie, you are the poster child for the right wing Strong Father Figure prototype. You NEED rules telling you how to behave. You expect people to do as you say. Pitiful actually. You’d still be laying belly down to the English had you been around in the 1700′s.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Shut-up Asshatma, if we wanted your opinion, we’d beat it out of you.
TP Party… alright!!!

You are so cute. I just want to ruffle your hair and tell you good job sport.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You’d end up with a broken hand, and charges for assault.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

You’d end up with a broken hand, and charges for assault.
El Trollo

Oh please, the only way someone like you could break my hand is by accidentally sitting on it.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Really??!?!!? And you know my strengths, skills, and weapons of choice, how?
El Trollo

And how do you know mine?

HINT: I am a ninja.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Easy you aren’t smart enough to be a doorstop let alone a Ninja or even a teenaged drama queen.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Easy you aren’t smart enough to be a doorstop let alone a Ninja or even a teenaged drama queen.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Easy you aren’t smart enough to be a doorstop let alone a Ninja or even a teenaged drama queen.
TP Party the Ninja

If that is so… then how do you explain… THIS?!?!?!
Anonymous

Take your pop culture psycho-babble and shove it up your a–, troll boy.

Do you REALLY think that acting like a jerk on a website and violating botht eh site rules and your own ISP’s terms of service is in any way comparable to the Revolutionary War? Please. Even you are not that big an idiot.

Anyway, flagged for trolling, personal attacks, threadjacking, and sock puppet posting.

TR
El Trollo

So whose trenches are you raiding exactly anyways?

Kinda sounds like a homoerotic come on
Anonymous

I’m sorry, was that supposed to be an insult?

Trench_Raider believes it’s important for people to follow the rules. Okay…so?

Are you saying people shouldn’t follow any kind of rules?

TP Party… alright!!!

ISP abuse center for disagreeing with a dude on a forum lol

Let me guess, next you will call the FBI Cyber-bullying division and the CIA hurt feelings task force.

Anonymous

It’s more than just disagreeing you nitwit. You have been banned repeatedly from this site, yet are bypassing the ban. In the ToS of most ISPs that’s a form of harrassment.

Yet again it is just a child playing around online in a way he never would in person. if someone asked you to leave their house because you were acting like a jerk, you would not dare repeatedly go back inside and continue to act like an a–. The only reason you do it here is because there are no real world consequences for your misbehavior. But there are… it’s possible to have your internet connection interupted or even canceled for what you are doing. (if hawkins will do the right thing and report you to your ISP that is…)
El Trollo

First of all, there is more than one of us homeslice.

Second, unless Hawkins speaks spanish, good luck getting a Mexican ISP to shut me down.

Of course, if you actually could track ISPs, you would have already found out I am not American.

¡Viva la revolucíon!
El Trollo

First of all, there is more than one of us homeslice.

Second, unless Hawkins speaks spanish, good luck getting a Mexican ISP to shut me down.

Of course, if you actually could track ISPs, you would have already found out I am not American.

¡Viva la revolucíon!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Posting under two different names doesn’t make you two people, child.

StanW

You may want to look up the word ‘petulant’, TP. It applies to you more than any other poster on this board.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

And yet you’re the unable to follow his advice and act like he’s the tough guy.

Anonymous

Best troll defenses: Ignore, laugh at and/or marvel at their inanity. When they say something dangerously stupid, correct the record with sound, cited arguments. In the even more rare occurrence they say something accurate, acknowledge their point and add the context removing their likely inaccurate application.

Anonymous

It’s an easy thing to acomplish. He can do one of two things:
-Hire a new moderator or three and declare a “kill on site” policy on posts by known trolls. That is the most effective as when the kiddies find their posts are not being seen for more than a few minutes they eventually get bored/frustrated and leave.
-Contact the troll’s ISP and file a complaint for his violation of the ISP’s ToS. (all reputable providers have bans of cyber-tresspassing and harrassment in their ToS) Jack is very unlikely to have been masking his IP address in his early posts, so itshould be easy to get a valid IP address for him.

TR
Bizzle

“The outlawed opposition group is plagued by rifts between young and old, reformist and hard-liner. There are big city deal-making politicians, and conservative rural preachers who eschew politics in favor of proselytizing.”

Get rid of Islam and it kinda sounds like the Republican party huh. Not trying to be insulting, it was just something I noticed.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

I fail to see how.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Yeah or the Democrats. “The outlawed opposition group is plagued by rifts between young and old, reformist and hard-liner. There are big city deal-making politicians, and Algore like global warming alarmists who eschew reality in favor of proselytizing.”

Get rid of Islam and it kinda sounds like the Democrat party huh. I AM trying to be insulting, I hope you noticed.

Joebritton

Insulting? How about bigoted? At this you have succeeded.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Really slowjoe, how is it bigoted, and remember bizzle’s post is just as bigoted.

Anonymous

Yeah, because the Republicans totally support murdering all gays and Jews.

Moron.

abcxyz

World’s three major religions are Christianity, Hinduism and Islam. The 10 Commandments are thought to have been revealed around 1500BC. Hinduism was in full flourish at that time a few thousand miles East. It unlikely that it was influenced by the 10 Commandments.

Anonymous

I think he meant Judaism, Christianity and Islam…

abcxyz

There are less than 20 million Jews in the world. That’s hardly a major religion. There are way more Buddhists. That statement is just plain ignorance showing through in the OP.

Anonymous

Fair enough. He should have said (and what I believe he meant was):

…if the 10 Commandments, the bedrock of not only the West’s 3 major religions…
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

If you consider that without Judaism, Christianity and Islam would never have come into existence, it makes Judaism much more relevant.

Joebritton

And the Islamophobes around here continue their tripe: BUT this from Anonymous at Mondoweiss.

Newsweek”s ‘new columnist’ slings caliphate tripe
Feb 14, 2011 10:25 pm | Anonymous

This is hilariously stupid, from Niall Ferguson, Newsweek’s “new columnist.” I hear he’s going out with Ayaan Hirsi Ali:

Last week, while other commentators ran around Cairo’s Tahrir Square, hyperventilating about what they saw as an Arab 1989, I flew to Tel Aviv for the annual Herzliya security conference. The consensus among the assembled experts on the Middle East? A colossal failure of American foreign policy….

These were [Obama's] words back in June 2009:

America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles—principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

Those lines will come back to haunt Obama if, as cannot be ruled out, the ultimate beneficiary of his bungling in Egypt is the Muslim Brotherhood, which remains by far the best organized opposition force in the country—and wholly committed to the restoration of the caliphate and the strict application of Sharia.

Republicans: come off it. It seems ever since Reagan ran for office, you have come to believe that you can’t get into office without scapegoats, like Muslims. Before it was that Hispanics and before that Blacks.

StanW

Still trying to push the lie that Republicans are racist.

YAWN. More drivel from Joe!
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

BWAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Dems have been scapegoating their miseries since they Lincoln took office!!

Mahatma

Beat it out of me? Hmmmm.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

Yes, because accurately quoting their own holy book is us making them “scapegoats”.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

That’s part of democracy. We have idiotic and hateful, violent political parties in the US, too.

D-Vega

Good job, CT.
http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The difference being that if they get into power in the USA, the constitution makes it damn near impossible for them to do anything. Such a thing is not the case in Egypt.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Well it makes it much harder, and I agree, were I an Egyptian I’d be significantly more worried about them than here. Plus, a radical Muslim group has a much better chance of actually winning there than, for example, the Phalangist party in the US.

The Nazi party is banned, totally outlawed in Germany. Its a jailable offense to belong to it. If I was in Egypt I’d consider something like that, for good reason.

D-Vega

Let them run for office. Let them explain how they are going to put the Egyptian people back to work at higher wages.

The communists will have a better chance at a good campaign.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

CNN had plenty of interviews with “moderate” protesters speaking about how Mubarak is an ally of the Israeli enemy. Majority of Egyptians would be happy to ignore everything else as long as they are promised a government hostile to Israel.
D-Vega

You shouldn’t speak for Egyptians.

Time will tell who they will pick. We certainly know your position.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Here, I’d agree. In Egypt? That’s another matter. The people of Egypt are significantly more accepting of and interested in Muslims being in power, and more easily swayed by arguments we’d disregard. I wouldn’t brush the threat aside so easily, Vega.

http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

The difference being that if they get into power in the USA, the constitution makes it damn near impossible for them to do anything. Such a thing is not the case in Egypt.

daveinboca

Here’s a few musings by me on the Muslim Brotherhood’s becoming legal written last year

http://daveinboca.blogspot.com/2011/02/more-thoughts-on-muslim-brotherhood.html#links
daveinboca

Here’s a few musings by me on the Muslim Brotherhood’s becoming legal written last year

http://daveinboca.blogspot.com/2011/02/more-thoughts-on-muslim-brotherhood.html#links

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