Excellent job, Senator Coburn. I’m sure President Barak ‘Transparency’ Obama will be in favor of your motion!

Reid isnt asking for a vote on the bill by Saturday, he is asking for a vote to start debate on the bill. Conservatives cant get anything straight these days.

I hope they do ask to read it – the media will go crazy – lefty or otherwise. It would ‘energize’ the base like nuclear rods ‘energize’ by melting down to the most radioactive core. Thus leaving only the soon-to be named “Conservative Party” in its wake. Bye-bye GOP as we know it.

It is odd to me that every bill isn’t read into the congressional record really. I mean, shouldn’t they be?

Reid isnt asking for a vote on the bill by Saturday, he is asking for a vote to start debate on the bill.

Thank you for repeating exactly what the Ms. Hale’s post says, like the useless parrot you are.

“With his colleagues eager to go home for the Thanksgiving break, it’s possible that Coburn may backoff.”

Oh boo-f*cking-hoo. The Senate might have to miss their Thanksgiving turkey in the process of passing a trillion dollar spending bill that will take over 20% of the economy and send taxes skyrocketing. We would hate to inconvenience you douchebags.

Christopher_Taylor
7:27pm
It is odd to me that every bill isn’t read into the congressional record really. I mean, shouldn’t they be?

Word! All bills should be read on the floor in front of everyone.

Thank you for repeating exactly what the Ms. Hale’s post says, like the useless parrot you are.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-11-19 20:10:18

Sam,

You are full of crap as usuall. Here is exactly what Ms. Hale said:

Since Reid has decided to give us just until Saturday to vote for this

As usual you are full of crap and cant admit it.

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-20 01:35:32

Obama opposes same sex marriage. Just a FYI.

Posted by whats_up
2009-11-20 01:35:32

They do have just until saturday to debate it before they vote to bring it to forum. Dont you get it? Those that vote to move it fwd are the ones that will vote yes for it….without even reading it. Its set in stone. You see, WU, there is only so much time for congress to debate things and they will have decided to waste their time on this without even doing their homework.

As usual you are full of crap and cant admit it.
Posted by whats_up
2009-11-20 01:35:32

The only one full of crap is you, Ms Hale, is statung that reading is calling for A vote, by saturday. THIS in her sentence does not mean the BILL, but rather the vote to bring the bill up for DEBATE.

Take another course in reading comprehension, or STFU, What_A_Tard.

Here is my Fax to the two “wavering” Senators from the deep red south:

“I do not live in your state. However, I am concerned citizen who feels deeply that we are on the verge of making a huge mistake if we adopt any of the currently proposed “health reform” legislation. I very much appreciate your candor on this issue and am writing to further elaborate my personal views on this very urgent matter.

I am strongly opposed to all of the current bills (HR 3292, Wyden-Bennett, et al) in Congress that are being considered by you and advocated for by the President. PLEASE VOTE NO ON CLOTURE FOR OPPENING DEBATE ON SENATOR REID’S BILL! All of the various Federal Government centric approaches currently being “debated” are unaffordable, ill conceived, and hastily thought out schemes that essentially cede control of the most basic right, that of control of our own bodies and lives, to the Federal government while doing little in the way of improving our medical care or the cost of medical care in this country. Systems in which control of medical care has been centralized by the government have been tried unsuccessfully in several other nations to worse outcomes for personal health, civil liberty, and economic wealth being.

There are several details of these health care nationalization plans that put on us on the path I describe above. Most specifically, a lot of attention has been paid to the “public/government option” (and the related “COOPs”) as the most blatant and obvious from of government control and a mechanism to destroy the private insurance market. But this is in fact just the tip of the iceberg so to speak in terms of the multitude of bad ideas contained in these government centered plans. The key item that I am most concerned but I very rarely hear discussion on are the so-called “Individual” and/or “Employer” Mandates designed to force everyone in this country to buy Health Insurance policies on terms dictated by the Federal Government. This is an extremely bad idea on many economic grounds based on its impact to the economy, job creation, and the large additional demands it would place on the health care system. However, what is truly insidious about these proposed “Mandates” is that they would amount to a “stealth tax” on the young and healthy that in all likelihood would not opt to pay the high premiums or use the “minimum” level of coverage that is currently proposed. Also, contrary to the rhetoric being put out by proponents of these “mandate” schemes, they would have the effect of eliminating any individual choice in the basic decision of how much, if any, health insurance they personally may require to cover any unforeseen medical expenses. Finally, the required regulatory mechanisms, required expansion/hiring of government employees/technocrats, and proposed subsidies that go along with these Mandates expand the government’s role in such a way that it will be in practice a Nationalization of the Heath Care Industry in this country. I strongly urge you to oppose any plan that contains any individual/employer mandate provisions! Please do not compromise on this point!

Another disconcerting subject that is also rarely discussed in our current “debate” on this issue is how these proposed plans are in actuality a de facto government bailout of yet another large and failing “Big” Industry (the Health Insurance industry has 80 million of 135 million customers who are aged 50-65 i.e. the most costly years for medical care – they have also recently suffered large losses in last year’s market collapse) by giving them millions of new forced customers. It is also essentially a cover up for the failure of politicians of both parties to properly fund promised Medicare coverage for the elderly (these mandates will continue to allow the Federal government to continue to cost shift Medicare shortfalls to the private insurance system). Last but not least, the fact that these arrangements were arranged in close door meetings by industry lobbyists with government officials to the determent of the American citizen smacks of the worst kind of corruption possible. This type of short term and self-serving focus has been the root cause of many of our current difficulties and is the primary reason citizens such as me have lost faith in the ability of our elected officials to represent us in good faith. I urge you to stand up to these powerful interests on behalf of those who elected you to office and expose the reality of this situation.

The specifics of this plan give control of our health care system up to a bad combination of special interests, corrupt politicians, and unelected technocrats. I urge you to stand on the side of our citizens versus this unholy trinity of interests and do your utmost to delay passage of this bill to allow for further debate and discussion. In my opinion, it is complete insanity to consider passage of this sweeping a proposal with only a month or so of discussion. If nothing else, the American people deserve a reasoned and measured approach to an issue of this magnitude – one in which all the various facts, assumptions, proposed courses of actions, and likely outcomes are analyzed and discussed by experts on this subject in an open and free public hearing.

Finally, I would also advocate an incremental or “trial and error” approach toward adoption of legislation would be the logical way to proceed. If we implement in a moment of haste a huge and expensive “new” government centered health care system, we run a large risk of never being able to reverse many of the negative impacts that will likely result.

I urge you to work for the defeat of these plans and refocus your efforts on genuine health care reform that empowers the patient and health care provider, provides tort/medical malpractice reform, a true national health insurance market where insurance companies are actually forced to compete via the semi-monopoly system we have in place, providing the same tax incentives for individuals to purchase coverage as employers, and placement of Medicare/Medicade programs on a sustainable financial basis. The track record of truly free markets where individual citizens are allowed to make their own free choices have a much, much better track record of delivering both quality and lower costs then any centrally planned or managed system. We have ample evidence from countries around the world where these government run systems are in place and where there citizens get worse care, higher per capita costs, and/or rationed care. Please place your faith in the power of the individual citizen to make his or her own best choices in a matter that is so basic to our daily lives.

Last but certainly not least, I would advocate that you consider the costs to our nation not only in terms of medical outcomes and dollar costs but in terms of individual Freedom and Liberty. Essentially, it is my belief, due to their numerous and obvious flaws, the currently proposed “Health Insurance Reform” plans has little or nothing to do with improving anyone’s health or the reducing the cost of medical care in this nation but rather have a lot to do with politicians benefiting from the resulting dependency to create yet another reliable voting bloc in order to perpetuate their political power. If allowed to become the law of the land, these plans will fundamentally alter the relationship between the individual and the state to the permanent determent of the individual. In short, this is a huge transfer of sovereignty from the people/individual to the state that is not at all in the spirit of or worthy of a democratic nation of free and independent people!

I thank you for your consideration in this matter and truly hope you take the time to read this letter and reflect on its contents. With all candor, the likely path to ruin we set ourselves on if we adopt any of these proposed schemes haunts me and causes me great concern for the future of this nation. I have three young children whom I love very deeply. I would like them to have the opportunity to grow up in the same America I did and have fought my entire adult life for – a nation that remains economically prosperous, politically and socially vibrant, values all human life as unique individuals worthy of respect and dignity, and where its people remain truly free and sovereign.”

I am sure they read every word and will listen to me and people who agree with me over 100 million dollar political bribes lol

But, collectively they may listen if they get a crushing amount of emails, faxes, and calls like this – this is the only recourse we have at this point….keep fighting!