Quasi-Live Blogging The Health Care Vote: This Is The Day

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Quasi-Live Blogging The Health Care Vote: This Is The Day

Written By : John Hawkins

* One of the Stupak block, Marcy Kaptur just became an ex-pro-lifer by supporting the health care bill. That’s a key pick-up for the pro-health care side.

* Ron Kind came out in favor of Obamacare, too, although most people thought he’d go that way.

* Supposedly Loretta Sanchez is going to make the vote today. Which way will she vote when she gets there? It’s impossible to say for sure, but the fact she’s going to show up makes it more likely she’ll be a yes.

* The key for the Dems, however, is an executive order that could used as cover by the Stupak block:

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said Sunday morning that he is close to striking a deal with the Obama administration on abortion provisions.

“We are close to getting something done,” Stupak said in an interview with MSNBC.

Stupak said he engaged in talks late into Saturday night.

The possible deal would focus on an executive order that would specify there would be no public funding for abortions in the healthcare bill.

“We’re close but we’re not there yet,” Stupak said.

Democratic leaders said Sunday they have the votes on healthcare reform, but Stupak said until there is a deal struck, they don’t have the 216 votes they need.

Stupak said “there were eight of us” in the negotiating room, all of them no votes.

An executive order from Obama isn’t going to override the bill that’s being passed in Congress. If it actually could, the pro-abortion crowd in Congress would be howling at the top of their lungs right now. There’s a reason that’s not happening. This is kabuki theater.

* How do we stand on the vote? At this point, it probably depends on the Stupak block. If they stand up for life, I think the Dems are going to have a tough time getting the votes. So, this bill may come down to whether there are even a handful of real pro-lifers in the Democratic Party anymore.

Update #1 (1:02 PM EST): For the people asking, it’s impossible to say for sure, but without peeling off some more of the Stupak block, I don’t think they have the votes.

Update #2 (1:13 PM EST): Supposedly, the vote is at 7 PM EST tonight. The key undecided votes right now?

Baird, Brian: D+0
Davis, Lincoln: R+14
Tanner, John: R+6
Foster, Bill: R+1
Kanjorski, Paul: D+4
Ortiz, Solomon: R+2
Pomeroy, Earl: R+10
Loretta Sanchez: D+5
Rick Boucher: R+11

Without the Stupak block, Pelosi would pretty much need to run the table on those votes to get to 216. That would be extraordinarily difficult to do.

Update #3 (1:18 PM EST): There are claims floating around that Stupak is selling out. If so, it’s over. I haven’t seen confirmation yet, though.

Update #4 (1:27 PM EST): From Twitter: @stevebruskCNN Urgent — Stupak CNN producer Lesa Jansen: “I’m still a no..There is no deal yet. Its a work in progress.”

Update #5 (1:32 PM EST): Solomon Ortiz is a yes.

Update #6 (1:32 PM EST): If this bill passes, expect a temporary bump in the polls for Obama and then for the numbers to to go down to where they are now and then lower.

Update #7 (1:43 PM EST): Incidentally, just to give you an idea of what’s at stake with this Stupak negotiation, supposedly Stupak was at the White House with 9 other Democrats. One of them, Marcy Kaptur caved. But still, if Stupak and 8 other Dems in his block say no, Pelosi is going to need to convince multiple Dems from R+10 districts to vote for this thing to pass it. That is going to be incredibly difficult.

Update #8 (1:55 PM EST): Bad news. It’s looking more and more like the Stupak block is about to sell out their principles for a meaningless figleaf. Over at the The Corner, they’ve got the text of the Executive Order Obama is about to release. Go over to read it. Here’s part of the commentary:

As of last night, this was the text. Not having a ton of Democratic sources, I can’t tell you if this is the final or not, assuming there is even such a thing.

…The reality of this or any other text, though is: It is meaningless legally. It has no binding effect. I don’t know a single lawyer with a working knowledge of the Constitution, Congress, and the Executive, who says otherwise.

…Ed Whelan — who, if we were the Obama administration, would be “Bench Memos” czar — adds: “Totally meaningless because it has no binding force. An utter sham.”

Update #9 (2:08 PM EST): Brian Baird is a Yes and Lincoln Davis is a No. At this point, I think it all comes down to the Stupak block.

Update #10 (2:13 PM EST): From the Washington Examiner:

Despite reports on MSNBC that pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak, D-Mich., will vote for the bill, he remains a “no” vote.

I just talked to Stupak in the basement of the Capitol as he walked passed a throng of protesters calling for members to vote against the bill.

…”We are waiting until we have an agreement with not just the White House but also the Speaker and others,” Stupak said. “There is no agreement. It’s still a work in progress. I think we have work to do.”

Update #11 (2:17 PM EST): Earl Pomeroy, who was undecided, comes out as a surprising “yes” vote.

Update #12 (2:23 PM EST): John Tanner is now a “no.”

Update #13 (2:35 PM EST): Bill Foster will vote yes. That brings us down to:Kanjorski, Paul: D+4, Rick Boucher: R+11, Alan Mollohan R+9 and the Stupak block: Jerry Costello, Joe Donnelly, Steve Driehaus, Dan Lipinski, Bart Stupak, Marion Berry, Kathy Dahlkemper, Alan Mollohan, & Nick Rahall.

Either they peel off members of the Stupak block or they’re done. Of course, they’re trying to do that as we speak and it may work.

Update #14 (2:50 PM EST): The Wall Street Journal, Reuters, and MSNBC reported that there was a deal reached with Stupak. However, since then, he has said he’s still “no” vote and they’re still negotiating.

Update #16 (3:33 PM EST): Stupak has a press conference, on CNN, at 4 PM EST.

Update #16 (3:37 PM EST): “FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited ‘reconciliation’ procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian…. Developing….” — Drudge Report

Update #17 (3:42 PM EST): “Driehaus confirms: Eight or nine pro-lifers are having a press conference at 4, with Stupak.” — The Corner

This is for all the marbles. If the Stupak block cracks and decides to become advocates of aborting children with your tax dollars, they will pass health care and there will no longer be such a thing as a pro-life Democrat. If they hold tight, it looks extremely unlikely that Nancy can get the votes.

PS: Any executive order Obama signed off on would be utterly meaningless.

Update #18 (3:54 EST): Stupak member Driehaus: He likes the executive order. He’s voting for it. He will be at Stupak’s presser. That’s a deathblow. They’re going to have the votes if they break for it.

Update #19 (3:56 EST): Here’s a video featuring hardcore pro-abortion advocate, Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D – FL), admitting that this executive order is a scam:

Update #19 (4:07 EST): Stupak and company have become ex-pro-lifers principles to vote for this bill. Your tax dollars will now be used to kill children. Meanwhile, Bart Stupak is talking about his principles! It’s like Judas giving a press conference to explain why he took the 30 pieces of silver. It’s pathetic really. Stupak is standing up there pleading for the liberal phone calls to his house at 2 AM to stop.

Pro-life Democrats have now joined the Easter Bunny & Santa Claus as the most famous imaginary creatures.

Update #20 (4:24 EST): This press conference has just gotten even more pathetic. Bart Stupak actually just said: “We have assurances from the President and others that he will not rip this up tomorrow.” It actually reminds me of Neville Chamberlain waving around a piece of paper declaring peace in our time.

Update #21 (4:31 EST): The French just called. They said they were shocked at how easily Stupak surrendered.

Update #22 (4:35 EST): Just in case you still had any doubts about whether Obama’s executive order means anything, here’s Andrew McCarthy:

The Susan B. Anthony List observation that EOs can be rescinded at the president’s whim is of course true. This particuar EO is also a nullity — presidents cannot enact laws, the Supreme Court has said they cannot impound funds that Congress allocates, and (as a friend points out) the line-item veto has been held unconstitutional, so they can’t use executive orders to strike provisions in a bill. So this anti-abortion EO is blatant chicanery: if the pro-lifers purport to be satisfied by it, they are participating in a transparent fraud and selling out the pro-life cause.

Of course, if there were really anything to this, you’d have 40 pro-abortion House Democrats howling at the top of their lungs and threatening to vote “no.”

Update #23 (4:43 EST): Just in case there was any doubt, with the Stupak block on board, they’ve got the votes. They may even be able to release some people to vote no now.

Update #24 (5:34 EST): Ok, stepping away for a couple of hours. Unless something else breaks, the big drama until the vote just ended.

Update #25 (8:22 EST): Just watching the meaningless “debate” on CNN (sort of) and waiting for the Democrats to take over 1/6 of the US economy. Nothing has really changed. They’re still expected to pass. It’ll be interesting to see whom they allow to flip and vote no. Harry Mitchell maybe?

The next step will be fighting the reconciliation changes in the Senate and then we head into the vote. If we take enough seats back to flip the House, we’ll have some new moves to execute. That’s a heavy, but possible lift we’re going to have to get done.

Update #26 (8:36 EST) This is a really long hail Mary obviously, but I figured I’d put it out there just in case:

Democrats are worried about holding their members together on a GOP motion that could kill the healthcare bill.

Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said House leaders are specifically concerned about a Republican motion to recommit that would contain only language on abortion that Stupak originally had wanted to include in the Senate bill.

The concern is based on the fear of GOP attack ads painting Democrats who vote against a motion to recommit that includes Stupak’s favored language on abortion as “flip-floppers” on the issue.

Sixty-eight Democrats voted for Stupak’s language in a November vote. They could be portrayed as flipping if they now voted against it.

“They are concerned about it,” Stupak said after his Sunday press conference.

If enough Democrats with Republicans backed the motion to recommit the bill to committee, it would effectively kill the healthcare bill.

Update #27 (9:25 EST) There are 3 votes coming up. The first is on the Senate bill. The second is a GOP motion to recommit. They’re putting the Stupak amendment back in. The third vote will be on reconciliation.

Update #28 (10:14 EST): Claim from Hannity Show: Stupak’s Airport kickback: He got $700,000 in funding for his district airports on Friday. I haven’t verified that yet, but that kind of corruption wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

Update #29 (10:23 EST): From now on, every insurance premium increase you have is the fault of the Democratic Party.

Update #30 (10:37 EST): Here comes the vote to destroy our health care system in the name of socialism. 9 minutes to go.

Update #31 (10:39 EST): For some reason, Obama supposedly isn’t going to sign the bill until Tuesday.

Update #32 (10:48 EST): The bill passed with 219 votes. 35 Democrats voted no. Socialism wins. America loses. As expected, the Stupak block’s sell-out proved to be decisive.

Update #32 (10:51 EST): Next up will be a motion to recommit. The Republicans are putting up Stupak’s language to show how non-serious Democrats are about their pro-life principles. Update #32 (11:07 EST): Someone yelled “baby killer” at Stupak? Granted, it’s rude, but it’s also AWESOME — because it’s so true and it deserved to be said.

Update #33 (11:25 EST): The White House convinced Bart Stupak to kill babies with an executive order & airport money, but mostly airport money.

http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

I’m pretty sure they have the votes…all that remains to be seen are the repercussions of this disaster. Does the dream die with a whimper or a bang? This ought to push us over the 50% mark of entitlement recipients and ensure socialist control of our country for the foreseeable future…

A republic -if you can keep it; The American experiment in freedom: fail. Apparently it takes 234 years until people vote to become serfs and abrogate their freedom.
Realpolitik

ensure socialist control of our country for the foreseeable future…

Posted by simulacre
2010-03-21 13:26:34

Free at last, free at last . . .
tblrk2006

Free at last, free at last . . .
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-21 13:28:46

Putting the govt in control and your only option is freedom?
smelvertising

Putting the govt in control and your only option is freedom?

Yes, it’s the freedom of the socialist true believer: from responsibility, from risk, from choice… and soon, from life – because rejecting responsibility is to live as the empty shell of a man.

A perfect description of the average socialist if there ever was one.
http://georgiana Georgiana

Realpolotik apparently prefers to go through life with chains around his neck. He is of that group of people who, for lack of individual imagination and gumption, are much happier being told what to do. We call that group of people “liberals,” by the way.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

Free at last, free at last . . .
Posted by Realpolitik

Idiot. Once sheep like you are no longer necessary for the oligarchs to hold onto their power, you’ll have radial prints across your forehead as the bus rolls over you…

You are not part of their elite group and will be subject to the same shackles as the rest of us.
tblrk2006

This is going to go on for years…..the litigation. The only bright side is the dems are on a suicide path for this november.
http://georgiana Georgiana

…or we can call them “socialists.” The two terms are becoming increasingly synonymous.
Realpolitik

shackles as the rest of us.
Posted by simulacre
2010-03-21 14:05:53

Ah, the shackles of the capitalists are being broken from all of us.
Realpolitik

dems are on a suicide path for this november.
Posted by tblrk2006
2010-03-21 14:06:37

Whistle, oh whistle, as you pass the graveyard. Cross your fingers, too. LOL
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

Yeah the shackles of capitalism: forced to work to support yourself and family. Forced to accept the fact that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Forced to accept personal responsibility. Forced into a system that rewards work and punishes sloth.
http://georgiana Georgiana

Realpolotik, one could reason better with a goat’s ass than with you, so I won’t try.
Hotspur

And reforged as chains around our necks, fool.
bhedrick

RealP, good impression! Almost believed you are a commie. If so you will undoubtedly get the same medical care that Leon Trotsky got. Beware of ice picks
http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

Only the wacky left could believe that more government control of their lives equates to freedom.
http://georgiana Georgiana

Yes, I work for a government agency and there is no end to the mismanagement. The stories I could tell! One senior exec, for example, received a several thousand dollar bonus (on top of his/her already hefty paycheck) for implementing a program that was discarded within months of implementation. My agency is constantly spending millions on programs that don’t pan out in the end. The private sector could never afford to throw away its money like that, but the government merely goes back to the taxpayers for more.

Oh, and good luck getting any of those government jobs that will be created by this health care bill. The government will take a good 6 months to a year to process your application, etc. This is why there are already so many government jobs open.

And we want to give the government more control? Again, Realpolotik, a goat’s ass spews more sense than you.
tblrk2006

Whistle, oh whistle, as you pass the graveyard. Cross your fingers, too. LOL
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-21 14:16:30

What are your approval numbers? What number of people wanted this? Sucks eh?
Realpolitik

Yeah the shackles of capitalism: Posted by simulacre
2010-03-21 14:19:19

Forged by the rich controllers of capitalistic empires to beggar the populace. They are being shorn.
Realpolitik

Realpolotik, a goat’s ass spews more sense than you.
Posted by Georgiana
2010-03-21 14:36:40

Fertilizer to get the country growing.
Realpolitik

What are your approval numbers? What number of people wanted this? Sucks eh?
Posted by tblrk2006
2010-03-21 15:09:45

The majority – as shown in the vote in the last election.
jimb123

Watching the news conference. They’re caving.

I pray for this country. We are entering dark times.
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

Done.
portscanner

So This Is How Liberty Dies…With Thunderous Applause
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

The French just called. They said they were shocked at how easily Stupak surrendered.

At least Stupak wasn’t taking orders from the French, even though it sure seemed like for a while he was taking orders from those unelected Catholic Bishops — you know, the ones who also have a history of hushing up rampant cases of criminal sexual abuse of minors by priests. Notice how in the press conference the question never really revolved around what these legislators’ constituents wanted — you know, the people whom they are actually elected to serve — but rather what the Bishops wanted. Fact is, I think being pro-life is much bigger than simply being anti-abortion. And this bill has a lot of pro-life reasons — including anti-abortion language — to support it. Stupak has nothing to be ashamed of and his pro-life credentials are as solid as ever, if not moreso.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

The majority – as shown in the vote in the last election.

Nobody voted for total government control over their lives and the utter ruination of the economy. Well, except for you, of course.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Posted by huckupchuck1
2010-03-21 16:47:23

As I recall, you claim to be a Christian of some sort. Let’s hear you reconcile the murder of unborn children with the religion you pretend to follow.
Toastrider

I just wonder what the real deal offered to Stupak was. As noted, executive orders cannot override provisions of a bill — the office of the President has no lawmaking authority. One might as well say that Stupak and Company changed their vote because Pelosi offered to put in a good word with Santa Claus this year.

However, I’m going to start investing more of my money into tangible goods. I have a gut feeling it won’t be long before the economy collapses.

Oh, and a word to huck and RealP: feel free to /move/ to a socialist country sometime and live there for six months. I’d love to see how you’d survive there.
CoolCzech

Just the fact Obama would sign an EO known to him to be illegal pretty much tells you all you need to know about him and about Sovietcare. What a pack og goons the Democrats are, and what an illegitimate dictat Sovietcare is!

This will not stand: we’ll fight it in the courts, and at the ballot box. We’ll get these communists, for what they’re trying to do to our country. You want a revolution? Fine, we’ll give you one, if it comes to it.

Either way, this illigitimate power grab will not, must not stand. Never in the history of the US has a party so stuck its middle finger in our faces like this. If push must really come to shove… We’ll push harder.

And let’s be clear: after November, the Democrats have got nothing coming. Don’t thing you’ll EVER blocj a judgeship or anything again, Dems! We’re about to Do Unto You as you’ve Done Unto Us.
http://www.conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/ reelman

STUPAK DUPED BY OBAMA
As Rush says, “at the end of the day they are democrats first”…so Bart the Weasel caved and found a reason to help nationalize Health Care.
This guy actually was dim enough to believe that the most abortionist president ever (100% Planned Parenthood rating) is going to sign an Executive Order banning federal funding in this bill for abortion if it passes. He believes a known serial liar. Then we hear EO’s cannot overturn any laws sooo he may be dimmer than dim.
If this bill is so wonderful why are the 1.8 million federal employees exempted?
Why are there 4 years of taxes before its implemented?
Why are there over 100 new unelected boards and panels?
This is what you get when the demo-socialists have power…let this be a lesson come November.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

CavalierX – And as I recall, you are neither God nor any kind of moral authority within my faith. So, I think I’d rather reconcile any position I hold with regard to this pro-life bill with my confessor and my Creator. As much as you would like to play God and judge me and my faith in some way, you’ll just have to live with the reality that I consider your thoughts on the matter of my support for this bill, my faith, and my relationship with God and my religion to be both laughable and insignificant. But, hey, thanks for the smile. I’m gonna sleep very peacefully tonight. I wish the same for you.
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

Toastrider – Thanks for the advice, but listening to conservatives these days, one would think that I don’t need to move anywhere to live in a “socialist” country. Perhaps it is you who should try living in a country, if you can find one, without the kinds of “socialist” programs that we currently enjoy.
CoolCzech

Huck, have plwasant deeams of November and beyond. We the American people will punish you, for the pack of socialist criminals you liberals have been all along. Just imagine the reaction when the death panels begin to take their toll. Boy, it will suck to be you.
CoolCzech

“…or we can call them “socialists.” The two terms are becoming increasingly synonymous.
Posted by Georgiana”
2010-03-21 14:06:39

Oh, ABSOLUTELY.

In fact, we can call them out and out Communists. Quite honestly, the Democrats have given the American people about as much freedom to choose their destiny on this bill as the government of the former Czechoslovakia EVER did.

What we do, as soon as we are back in power, is begin the process of dismantling Obama/Sovietcare bit by unpopular bit: first, repeal the “personal mandate,” a blatant act of fascism attacking our young people. Next, we shut down the death panels – simply defund them, and point the Middle Finger in Obama’s ugly face to do anything about it. Next, defund the freeloaders that think they can leech free healthcare off our backs. THAT is how to destroy this Communist putsch: attack it bit by unpopular bit, and finally pull the plug entirely by making it clear to most Americans that only the freeloading welfare class will be inconvenienced by its demise.

Beyond that, we change the rules of Congress to strip out any ability of the Democrats to have any say over ANYTHING, just bludgeon them into total impotence. Tit for Tat, that’s all.

THEN the investigations and vindictive politically-driven prosecutions should come: go after Waxman, after Pelosi, after Obama – for subverting the Constitution, for bribery, for corruption, for un-Americanism in its ugliest form. Make no mistake: Sovietcare is nothing short of an attempt by the Left to destroy Americanism, to forever destroy our way of life, and to finish America as a global superpower by sucking up all the resources of the nation into the bottomless pit of entitlement spending. These people actually WANT to see things go down this way, because they actually think having Communist China take our role on the world stage will be better for Mother Gaia! (Don’t think so? Read any Friedman editorials gushing over the butchers of Beijing lately?)

I never expected things in this country to ever reach such a pitch of imminent danger in my lifetime, but just the obscene suggestions we’ve seen this week – the Slaughter rule, the argument “we make the arguments as we go along,” and now the idea that an Executive Order can lawfully nullify acts of Congress (something I’m sure Chavez supports wholeheartedly) should scare the hell out of all Americans. We’ve seen this dangerous spiral into Leftist lawlessness before, in South America. In Chile it was solved quite effectively the old fashioned way, and while I would prefer it not come to that in America… I also believe that the disposal of Allende in Chile made that country all the better for it today.
CoolCzech

edit, one Democrat (an impeached job – so apt!) actually said, “We make up the rules as we go along.” Yes, indeed, you do, Commie.
Hack-the-Rogue

What a suprise.
Stupak and his friends have shown themselves to be partisan Dems rather than prinicpled human beings.

It aint over yet, folks. Even IF this passes, this is not the final step. This thing will go back to the senate for tweeking and the changed bill will have have to be voted on yet again in the house before Chimpy signs it. So that’s two more votes before it becomes law. To this add the fact that it will undoubtedly face repeated legal challenges on every conceivable topic before it’s a done deal.

And yes, just as the first attempt at health care “reform”, the ’94 crime bill, tax hikes, and “don’t ask don’t tell” sealed the fate of the Democrat majority in 1994 I strongly suspect this latest outrage will be the end of the current dem majority now. Chimpy and the Dems reached too far and tried to move the country too far in opposition to the will of the majority of the American people just as Clinton did. The result will be the same: the destruction of the dem majority and the relagation of the president to lame duck status.

I hate to see this thing pass, but relish the squeeling of the left when they get destroyed in November.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

And as I recall, you are neither God nor any kind of moral authority within my faith.

Inever claimed to be. I just want to know how you reconcile your support for murdering the unborn with your supposed religion. I’m intellectually curious. Are you a Liberal who pretends to be Christian, or a Christian who pretends to be a Liberal?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

A shame you cannot be a Christian and support infanticide.
http://www.getclassichardwood.com charliehall3

You cannot be a Christian or know the Christian God and support abortion. Period.
CoolCzech

Dick_Nixon
6:52pm
“A shame you cannot be a Christian and support infanticide.”

A shame one can’t be a communist and an American. Not that today’s Democrats care about America OR “the people.”
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Not that today’s Democrats care about America OR “the people.”

Posted by CoolCzech
2010-03-21 19:13:39

Democrats are all racists and fascists at the core of their belief system. They just don’t have the balls to admit it.
Crimsonfella

Just wait until all of these libs who support this bill now are denied service due to long waits.Just wait until they have heart problems,etc but can’t get in like in Canada.The canadians come to America to get help but where will these libs go? Just wait until they have to stand in a long line with a heart problem,etc but cannot get into see a doctor for months.And just wait until the government starts picking and choosing who they serve over you.It will not matter that you were a sheep being led to the slaughter and supported this!Don’t say we did’nt tell you libs!
Mike_M

They haven’t done jack yet. I have a feeling I’ll be reading about who is going to the Sweet 16 in the headlines tomorrow, not Obamacare.
Crimsonfella

If and when these things start happening like you have a heart problem but can’t get in to see a doctor because of long waits because people go for every little thing and you are denied service when you need to get your heart checked out. You will then know about freedom and how it was taken away from you.You will understand what we say about freedom and liberty and how we must protect our freedoms and get the government out of our lives as much as possible.You will see how the government mis-manages everything it touches and you will regret ever listening to a politician.
William Teach

So, how many lawsuits are filed by States, individuals, and groups this week over this disgusting legislation? I’m betting and 23.
impulse910

It’s more than that, Will. 2/3 of states have filed legislation to sue if Obamacare passes. That is enough to amend the Constitution. That should tell people how widespread opposition to CommieCare is.
Realpolitik

Ok – the time has come. Don’t hold back. Don’t spare the praise. Shout out with gusto:

“Barack Obama can do no wrong!”
impulse910

BARACK OBAMA CAN AND DOES DO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crimsonfella

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-21 21:35:36

I think it is laughable you put so much faith in a politician.Don’t expect me to be fooled like you are.
Realpolitik

Barack Obama – the take charge president who gets the job done.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Barack Obama – the take charge president who gets the job done.

if the “job” is to destroy America, then yeah.
impulse910

Barack Obama-The power grab President who uses the Constitution as toilet paper
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

$1.6 trillion in deficits. 17% of the country out of work. The debt rating of the US to shortly be downgraded. US troops still in Iraq. Gitmo still open. Energy costs headed back up. Political divisiveness at all time highs. No improvement forecast in employment. Another trillion in spending coming down the pipes. Socialization of medical care. Pending attempt to amnesty 30 million illegal aliens to put them on the dole.

Barak Obama. He makes Jimmy Carter look almost competent.
impulse910

Actually, Dick, Barack Obama does make Jimmy Carter look competent.
Realpolitik

Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-21 22:17:46

Yes, dixon, the previous eight years of incompetence before Obama’s glorious election left the country in a shambles. But he is slowly sweeping out those Augean stables, while fundamentally returning the USA to her citizens. Let’s shout out a great big AMEN for President Obama.
Crimsonfella

Barak Obama- A mere politician who seems to love to the idea of libs like realpolitik standing in long lines waiting to get treated but can’t get in to see a doctor and laughs at realpolitik for being so naive saying you can handle it.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Yes, dixon, the previous eight years of incompetence before Obama’s glorious election left the country in a shambles.

Actually, Nixon’s list points out the failures of Hussein to deliver on his campaign promises, the destruction of the US economy under the Democratic Party, and the fact there will be no improvement under the Kenyan in Chief.

Aren’t you working tonight? Or are you pigging out at the buffet again?
impulse910

Actually, Real, I think Obama is doing more to leave this country in shambles than Bush every could. It is Obama that has drastically increased our nation’s debt. It is Obama who has made us look weak to our enemies. It is Obama who has bowed to our enemies and scorned our allies. It is Obama who has asserted government control over auto companies and increased the size of our government. It is Obama who has blamed everyone but himself for his failings. Bush is more of a man and a leader than Obama could ever home to be.
Realpolitik

the failures of Hussein . . .no improvement under the Kenyan in Chief.

Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-21 22:29:58

Ah, dixon, your last pathetic barbs.Discredited insults hauled out of your mother’s closet.

Hail to the Chief – we sing it proudly once again.
Healthcare4all

Yes we just did.
impulse910

So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.
Healthcare4all

How is your liberty taken from you. You can
keep your plan and doctor. Sore loser?
impulse910

The war is far from over. We will sue this unconstiutional abomination into the deepest, darkest pit of Hell.
Healthcare4all

Have fun with that.
Realpolitik

We will sue this unconstiutional abomination into the deepest, darkest pit of Hell.
Posted by impulse910
2010-03-21 22:52:39

LOL
impulse910

I hope whatever Stupak got for selling his soul was worth it. 30 pieces of silver or a kickback for his district. Sleep well, Judas.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-21 22:45:31

sure thing, ditch.
Healthcare4all

Why do I have the feeling many teabaggers feel like a huge hairy ball sack was just laid on their forehead.
impulse910

“Why do I have the feeling many teabaggers feel like a huge hairy ball sack was just laid on their forehead.”

Stay classy, healthcare4all. Vulgar comments like that only strengthen my belief that I am right and you are wrong.
Crimsonfella

Is it really a surprise that this passed? I am not surprised at all this country has been on a slow move toward socialism for atleast the last 50 years.This country has been so misgoverned for so long that I am not surprised at all.I am not saying we who love america should just give up but our freedoms and liberty have been being chipped away for so long that it is now standard operating procedures.If I did’nt have faith in God stuff like this would depress me but I know God’s word is true and so this kindof stuff won’t last forever.
Healthcare4all

From a site that calls many people homosexual because they have different ideas.

So what…………..

Would you like some quotes?? Small child.
impulse910

Funny how it’s always liberals who seem obsessed with teabagging and ball sacks. No judgemets, though, Healthcare4all. It’s your life. At least until the Commies in Congress decide to start regulating that as well.
CornellLaw

Today is a good day and here is why:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21kristof.html?ref=opinion

Now if only we could get Limbaugh to live up to his promise and leave the country
impulse910

Dems lied, health care died!
Crimsonfella

Like I said just wait until you libs are standing in a long line waiting to get treated and yet can’t get in to see a doctor for a heart problem,etc then you might wish you had listened to Limbaugh instead of some liberal who could careless about freedom and liberty.
impulse910

Crimson, they won’t have to. All they have to do is present their party membership card like good little Communists and they go to the front of the line and premium care. Long lines and substandard care will be reserved for the peasants and those awful conservatives.
CornellLaw

Like I said just wait until you libs are standing in a long line waiting to get treated and yet can’t get in to see a doctor for a heart problem,etc then you might wish you had listened to Limbaugh instead of some liberal who could careless about freedom and liberty.
Posted by Crimsonfella
2010-03-21 23:27:14

I’ll spend a little extra time in line so long as healthcare companies can’t cut off your care if you have a chronic condition. Oh yea, and basically every condition can be defined as chronic.
Crimsonfella

Posted by impulse910
2010-03-21 23:31:03

Yeah Right! Even Canadian politicians come here to america to get treated and they voted for it in there own country.
impulse910

Cornell, what makes you think there will even be any health care companies after this? Forcing insurance providers to accept patients with expensive, pre-existing conditions will bankrupt the industry. The Dems have just shown that neither jobs nor the economy nor the will of the American people matter. All that matters is their maddening drive to turn this country into the United Socialist States of America. God help us all.
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

It’s simple, CavalierX. This bill not only will help save the lives that are now threatened for lack of health insurance, but the fact that healthcare now exists actually does more to prevent abortions than the status quo, which you seem to support. Here’s T.R. Reid from an article in the Washington Post:

Increasing health-care coverage is one of the most powerful tools for reducing the number of abortions — a fact proved by years of experience in other industrialized nations. All the other advanced, free-market democracies provide health-care coverage for everybody. And all of them have lower rates of abortion than does the United States.

This is not a coincidence. There’s a direct connection between greater health coverage and lower abortion rates. To oppose expanded coverage in the name of restricting abortion gets things exactly backward. It’s like saying you won’t fix the broken furnace in a schoolhouse because you’re against pneumonia. Nonsense! Fixing the furnace will reduce the rate of pneumonia. In the same way, expanding health-care coverage will reduce the rate of abortion.

So, CavalierX, you want to know how I square it? That’s how. Not only does this bill contain language that prohibits federally-financed abortions, its simple guarantee of insurance coverage to millions more people will have an immediate impact on actually reducing abortions. In short, for so many reasons, this bill IS pro-life. And many leaders in my faith believe that to be true as well. So squaring my faith with something that is truly pro-life is easy.
Power_System_Oper

Obamacare was DOA out of the shoot, but gained life when GOP Senator Demint could not restrain himself to behave like a conservative and just state the the facts without the hype. No, he had to take a page out of liberal politcal stragegy. When he declared that Obamacare would be Obama’s Waterloo, he single handily turned an upcoming rational debate (which the GOP would have won hands down) into an emotional “Gunfight at OK Corral)which worked to the advantage of the DEMS in keeping the issue alive.

Then, Obamacare was DOA once again after the Brown victory in Mass which scared the “willies” out of the DEMS in the House of Representatives who were faced with haveing to vote to pass the Senate Bill with all of its fatal attachements. But wouldn’t you know? Along comes “Cowboy” Senator Coburn to once again throw down a senseless gauntlet by declaring that he would use the power of his position as a US Senator to make life miserable for those members of the House of Representatives who switched their vote from “no” to “yes.” The rest is now history. Sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Someone thSometimes, it is best to let sleeping dogs lie.
Crimsonfella

I’ll spend a little extra time in line so long as healthcare companies can’t cut off your care if you have a chronic condition. Oh yea, and basically every condition can be defined as chronic.
Posted by CornellLaw

Yeah you say that now! But if you ever have a heart condition and have to wait months to get to see a doctor because so many other peope are ahead of you I bet you will change your tune.This would’nt even be a problem in the first place if this country had’nt been misgoverned by politicians in the first place.
D-Vega

Yes
D-Vega

Wait, I thought this was dead last summer because of all these Tea People shouting?

Rest assured, this is good for the country.

I can’t wait to see the wailing tomorrow from the right.

Obama did what most Presidents could not. Good for him. Good for the USA.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

How is your liberty taken from you. You can
keep your plan and doctor. Sore loser?
Posted by Healthcare4all

Sure you can keep your plan assuming your company doesn’t choose to pay the penalty rather than the exorbitant premiums (potentially 60% savings for dropping your employees -do the cost benefit analysis yourself!). Sure you can get private insurance assuming it still exists and stays solvent since insurance must accept anybody -including pre-existing conditions- and they can’t raise premiums to cover costs. Sure you can keep your Dr assuming he hasn’t left his practice or isn’t too busy with the quadrupled workload or had to file bankruptcy due to government slow pay or short pays.

You fucking morons never think things through to their logical conclusions…This bill is not about healthcare for all. It is about controlling the populace through healthcare and eliminating the competition. Our privacy, civil liberty and freedom have been forfeited with this evil stain.
CornellLaw

Cornell, what makes you think there will even be any health care companies after this? Forcing insurance providers to accept patients with expensive, pre-existing conditions will bankrupt the industry. The Dems have just shown that neither jobs nor the economy nor the will of the American people matter. All that matters is their maddening drive to turn this country into the United Socialist States of America. God help us all.
Posted by impulse910
2010-03-21 23:36:07

It will cut into profits but the insurance companies have plenty of profits to spare.
CornellLaw

Or we could go with your alternative and just let everyone with a preexisting condition die. You know, the Christian thing to do.
Crimsonfella

It will cut into profits but the insurance companies have plenty of profits to spare.
Posted by CornellLaw

Where are the profits going to go now?To politicians? You gotta be kidding!
impulse910

Insurance companies are businesses, they are there to make a profit, not to ensure social justice. Furthermore, genius, I’ll have you know that insurance companies do NOT have profits to spare. At 2%, they have one of the lowest profit margins in the country.
Crimsonfella

Or we could go with your alternative and just let everyone with a preexisting condition die. You know, the Christian thing to do.
Posted by CornellLaw
2010-03-21 23:55:19

Hey! Politicians caused this problem in the first place not christians.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

I’ll spend a little extra time in line so long as healthcare companies can’t cut off your care if you have a chronic condition. Oh yea, and basically every condition can be defined as chronic.
Posted by CriminallyStupid

With a chronic condition, you will be deemed a waste of resources that could be better utilized on a healthier demographic…you will get to wait in line til ya die!
http://huckupchuck.blogspot.com huckupchuck1

I have a question for you conservatives here. I’ve heard over and over the GOP claim that members of Congress who supported the healthcare reform bill being considered weren’t listening to the American people. Well, my representative, Anh “Joseph” Cao, voted against the bill in opposition to the clear and substantial majority will of his district, which overwhelmingly supported the bill. So, where’s the consistency here? Why does Cao get a pass for not listening to the American people he was elected to represent? Oh, yeah, I remember now … we who support the bill don’t count as Americans. How stupid of me to forget this.
Healthcare4all

Almost an hour after the vote the world didn’t stop spinnng. Another conserative warning that didn’t come true.
Crimsonfella

Posted by CornellLaw

CornellLaw? If you are into law you had to go to college and yet you don’t know these things?Politicians misgoverning america is the problem not christians whi would just like to see some morality in this country.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

stupid as stupid does huck…
Bystander

The first black President has led America back into slavery.
Healthcare4all

“CornellLaw? If you are into law you had to go to college and yet you don’t know these things?Politicians misgoverning america is the problem not christians whi would just like to see some morality in this country.”

or another crusade……
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

Posted by Bystander
2010-03-22 00:13:40

Oh the irony eh?
impulse910

Posted by Bystander

LOL
Crimsonfella

have a question for you conservatives here. I’ve heard over and over the GOP claim that members of Congress who supported the healthcare reform bill being considered weren’t listening to the American people. Well, my representative, Anh “Joseph” Cao, voted against the bill in opposition to the clear and substantial majority will of his district, which overwhelmingly supported the bill. So, where’s the consistency here? Why does Cao get a pass for not listening to the American people he was elected to represent? Oh, yeah, I remember now … we who support the bill don’t count as Americans. How stupid of me to forget this.
Posted by huckupchuck1
2010-03-22 00:05:16

First off how do you know his district supported this bill? Every poll I seen showed not only conservatives but even democrats or people who voted for Obama were against it.I am sceptical that his district supported it but am glad he voted against it.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

fail Jack…Epic fail…
impulse910

Oh, there will be a Crusade jack. A crusade to evict the socialists from Capitol Hill and have this unconstitutional monstrosity struck down by the courts. The Dems may have won this battle but the war has just started.
Power_System_Oper

If only someone could have convinced Senator’s DeMint and Coburn to forgo the hype and act like conservatives, Obamacare would never have seen the light of day. Instead, DeMint and Coburn just had to agitate a sleeping dog by declaring that Obamacare would be Obama’s Waterloo and threatening to make life miserable for any member of the House of Representatives who switched their vote from “no” to “yes.” Baiting the oppostion before playing out a high stakes game is a real amatuer move. Pro sports coaches know that to be the case and try as hard as possilbe to instill that concept into their players.
Healthcare4all

Not Jack again not JACK.

Good luck with the law suite and good luck in the next election you don’t get my vote. Obama earned it………. Again
impulse910

PSO, were you asleep for the whole thing? The Dems have long pushed for it and it got revved up when they realized they had a commanding majority in Congress and would never have a better chance than this. Saying Obamacare never would have passed if the conservatives had kept quiet is like saying a woman never would have gotten raped if she had never mouthed off to her rapist. The Dems have raped America for the last time. Expect America to fight back in November.
Bystander

Wonder what Obama promised China? They’re the ones that will be funding his bill. Taiwan, maybe?
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

shutup hog nobody cares what you think…
Power_System_Oper

impulse910,

I did not say keep quiet. Afterall, rigorous debates are the plays which make up the game. I refer to the needless baiting of the opposition which was done by Senators DeMint and Coburn.
As I said, pro sports coaches hammer home to their players the stupidity of publicly baiting the opposition before the big game. Such amatuer behavoir on the part of just a few players on a team can be the match which lights an upset fire.
Healthcare4all

Obamas Waterloo? Hahahahahaha. Another wrong prediction.
Crimsonfella

or another crusade……
Posted by Healthcare4all
2010-03-22 00:15:51

Hey! Them muslims should’ve stopped attacking over and over and there would’nt have even been a crusade.After turning the cheek multiple times they made them muslims pay! Besides Obama is doing basically the samething Bush was while in office, Obama sent troops to both Iraq and Afganistan another crusade? Hell no! We are just playing patty cake because of political correctness.
ChampaignWalt

Stupak’s been lying the whole time. Here’s a video of Stupak saying he would vote for a bill even if it had public money paying for abortions. He’s never really been a “no” vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URr68joWr1E&feature=player_embedded
Power_System_Oper

Healthcare4all. “Obama’s Waterloo…wrong prediction.”

It was stupid to make such a prediction in public before the big game. As Coach Lumbardi once harshly scolded one of his player who stared “throwing smack” in the face of the oppostion after scoring a touchdown. “Act like you have been here before.”
Crimsonfella

PSO,

That quote “Act like you’ve been there before” was made by coach Paul “Bear” Bryant the coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide.
D-Vega

I can only imagine how much more nasty you guys are going to get.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

You know Vega, if this weren’t so tragic, I would find it amusing to watch as bleeding heart leftists become the evil and oppressive establishment they profess to hate. I imagine it was the exact same ‘do it for the children’ rhetoric and feel good ideology that led to untold millions of deaths at the hands of other famous leftists throughout history. We’re on the path of your good intentions and I’ll see you in hell.
D-Vega

Okay, simulacre. That’s a good start. I’m sure they’ll be more tomorrow.

And next up, financial reform and immigration reform.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

Ah, Vega. I almost envy your ignorance…would that I could enjoy the same bliss. Unfortunately I know too much about human nature and have read too much history. I can never again attain your level of vacuousness.
Hack-the-Rogue

And next up, financial reform and immigration reform.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-22 02:29:52

Read more harm to an already damaged economy and amnesty for millions of criminals.

Every step along this path is yet another nail in the Dem’s coffins come November. That is the silver lining from today’s bad news. We’re going to party like it’s 1994!
cylarz

I can only imagine how much more nasty you guys are going to get.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-22 02:03:55

Ah, your typical “nah nah nah nah” childish taunting, the kind I’ve grown so accustomed to seeing from the Left’s charter apologist. Real mature, Vega.

But while we are on the subject, I can only imagine how much more nasty YOU guys are going to get when A) the bill stalls and dies in the Senate and B) your party is eviscerated at the polls in November for trying to cram this monstrosity down our throats. What part of “NO” didn’t your guys understand? What the hell is wrong with you?

Anyone who is actually happy about this development has to be either crazy or stupid. Seriously. You can’t see what a ruinous effect it’s going to have on the healthcare system, the economy, and the federal budget?

I’ve got bad news for you – this turkey is going NOWHERE. Even if it makes it into law, it’s going to get sued into oblivion and/or repealed when the GOP takes over next year. I noticed that not ONE Republican house member that voted for it. I have not been this proud of my party since the Contract With America.

Savor this victory while you can.
Toastrider

I would like to offer a shout out to Artur Davis, a Democratic Representative from Alabama. Davis, along with the rest of the Alabama congressional delegation, voted ‘no’.

I may not always agree with you, Mr. Davis, but thank you for having the balls to oppose this colossal mess.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

It’s simple, CavalierX. This bill not only will help save the lives that are now threatened for lack of health insurance

No one’s life is threatened by lack of insurance, since anyone can obtain emergency treatment at any hospital regardless of ability to pay. And if you’re talking about people who are denied coverage by their insurance companies, far more people are denied coverage by Medicare, which will be more of a model for government insurance. Once you are deemed not worth the limited resources to treat, you will get no treatment anywhere.

healthcare now exists actually does more to prevent abortions than the status quo

You’re stretching so far to try (and fail) to make a point, I hope you don’t pull a tendon. Obamacare will increase, not reduce, the number of abortions in this country, and they will be paid for with your tax dollars. You are not only supporting the people who advocate for abortion with your votes, but with your money.

So, CavalierX, you want to know how I square it? That’s how. Not only does this bill contain language that prohibits federally-financed abortions, its simple guarantee of insurance coverage to millions more people will have an immediate impact on actually reducing abortions.

The bill contains nothing to prohibit federal money from paying for abortions, or Stupak and his group would not have begged Obama for a meaningless Executive Order that they could pretend would do so. Huck, you have admitted voting for and supporting politicians who promote the murder of unborn children. You cannot square that with your supposed belief in religion, no matter how you twist and spin the facts.
D-Vega

Ah, your typical “nah nah nah nah” childish taunting, the kind I’ve grown so accustomed to seeing from the Left’s charter apologist. Real mature, Vega.

That’s taunting to you, cylarz? After the rhetoric thrown around here in the past 18 months, you have no moral highground when it comes to taunting.

That’s mild, even for me. But I believe in being gracious.

And you guys will get much nastier. You have no choice now, after all that it still went through. You can wish upon a star that is somehow dies in Senate, but its the same bill that the Senate already passed. And no need for 60 votes. This thing is done.

You need to be more concerned with hardcore organizing, and maintaining some sort of class in the face of defeat.
tblrk2006

You need to be more concerned with hardcore organizing, and maintaining some sort of class in the face of defeat.
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-22 10:01:41

Son, you had nothing until you put presure and bribes on people….not to mention this is deep in the RED and is unconstitutional. This will be over and gone for you in short time.
D-Vega

“Son”… that’s cute.

Obama just made himself your daddy this weekend…
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-22 10:01:41

When you talk like that while completely IGNORING the Bushitler left of the past eight years you are just full of shit or blatant hypocrite. Very few on the right have EVER had the vitriol and nastiness that is typical of the left EVERYDAY.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Obama just made himself your daddy this weekend…
Posted by D-Vega
2010-03-22 10:55:02

No that was PELOUSI, all Odrama did was cheerlead and Kibbutz it’s not like he even had the power to BRIBE, that was all in Pelousi’s hands.

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