I remember getting into this fight with a liberal about the surrender in Somalia. After Blackhawk down, two Republican Senators got squishy on our efforts and calle for the removal of our forces from the region. Nevermind that almost 100% of the Democrats were behind this, the fact that 2 Republicans joined the effort, I was told that it was only Republicans that called for it. We will see the same thing here, one or two Republicans will vote for this and when the American people come to the realization that the best healthcare system in the world has been reduced to an also ran, the liberals will be out blaming the Republicans for it because of the vote of a few and they will forget the 100% support and writing of the bill done by Democrats.

Posted by BIG 2009-10-14 12:00:32

Happened before that, BIG. The Democrats constantly call Republicans racists and take credit for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, when the Democrats had enough members to pass it (if they all voted for it) and it was the Democrats that filibustered against the bill. President Johnson had to go to the Republicans for support and votes. Without that Republican support, the 1964 Civil Rights Act would have failed due to Democrats.

This will be the same. They get one spineless Republican to vote for their plan and it is 'bipartisan', until it fails, at which time it will be a Republican plan.

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, has now said that she will consider voting for the bill as well.

I thought this bill was dead back in August?

Quick, tell Sarah Palin to send out a priority Tweet!

Well thank goodness Michael Steele was hard at work showcasing his shiny new website yesterday instead of working with Snowe and her colleagues to get her to reconsider her vote.

Posted by EyeBEW77

2009-10-14 12:25:25

Shut up Hoggo. Nobody cares what you have to say!

I thought this bill was dead back in August?

Quick, tell Sarah Palin to send out a priority Tweet!

Posted by D-Vega

2009-10-14 12:13:12

Who knew that Obambi had another talent beyond reading teleprompters? Apparantly he can breath life back into turds. Unfortunately, a re-vitalized turd still stinks.

Apparantly he can breath life back into turds.

Now, now. I know Dick Cheney has been very active lately, but I wouldn't go so far as call the former VP a turd or say his policies were dead. A mean-spirited, egotistical jerk, yes. Policies that have been proven to be mis-guided, yes. Him being in a current and future state of denial, yes.

But a revitalized turd is a bit harsh.

Meh, Snowe has always been a pretty reliable voter for anything left leaning, particularly that which will get her kickbacks and money thrown to her district. It doesn't really matter, the bill can't pass without Democrats.

A mean-spirited, egotistical jerk, yes.

Typical Obamawhore. Personally insult anyone who dares (dares I say!) to disagree with your Messiah.

Typical Obamawhore. Personally insult anyone who dares (dares I say!) to disagree with your Messiah.

Oh please. You have no credibility to whine about name-calling. Especially when the former VP, whose policies have been made to look ridiculous, undermines current American policy, as articulate by our current CinC, at every opportunity. Even setting up his daughter as the head of a new anti-Obama non-profit. It's pathetic and sad.

We've seen more of him in the past 9 months (The 2009 Torture Tour©)then we saw in eight years. And you're saying he's not an ego-testicle?

Personal insult? No person was ever more aptly named than Dick Cheney.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 14:05:04

I for one am glad that someone from the Bush Administration is standing up to the lies and whines of President ThinSkin.

And it is interesting how dissent now undermines the CinC. When you and the other Liberals were doing it during the Bush Administration, it was "The Highest Form of Patriotism!"

Also, your petty and childish insults directed at Cheney only make you look… well… petty and childish.

The only thing petty and childish here is Little Dick Cheney, hopelessly clinging to policies that were soundly rejected while he was still in office and beyond.

And yes, it is undermining when its the former Vice President. He is giving aid & comfort to the enemies of this country.

I am so looking forward to the angry outburst coming from all of our liberals over the 13 democrats who dared vote for a plan without a public option.

And yes, it is undermining when its the former Vice President. He is giving aid & comfort to the enemies of this country.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 14:17:57

I'm sorry, D-Vega, but I cannot recall seeing you or ANYONE ON THE LEFT having the same level of passion and disgust when it was the former first lady, or former vice-president, or current speaker of the house doing the same and worse to President Bush.

But you are correct about one thing. This does not make you look petty or childish. You were already all of that. This make you look like a mindless Obama suckup and a idiot partisan.

Its not surprising to see no one can refute the assertion that Dick Cheney is a ego-testicle.

Its not surprising to see no one can refute the assertion that Dick Cheney is a ego-testicle.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 14:26:12

You want us to refute a word you made up? Really, D-Vega, are you that starved for attention?

Dick Cheney has more patriotism and greatness in the tiny sweat droplet dripping from his glorious all-american rigt testicle than Barack Hussein Obama and Jackass Joe Biden have in their entire bodies, including the massive pockets of hot air that routinely bellow from thier fat ugly faces.

Dick Cheney works to save all of us. Even hate-filled misguided ingnorant liberals like D-vega.

Dick Cheney has done more for the cause of world peace that all Nobel Peace Prize winning American Presidents combined.

You exist only because Dick Cheney authorizes it to be so.

Dick Cheney keeps the gates of Heaven.

D-Vega is not worthy to mention the name Dick Cheney.

I deserve 5,000 lashes for even putting his name in the same sentence as the glorious Dick Cheney.

Dick Cheney's heart continues to beat because God knows that all of humanity would suffer if it stopped.

No, he doesn't Reader. He is a egotistical jerk (that's what a ego-testicle is, Baud) who didn't have the balls to publicly disagree with his own administration's policies, with Bush, (or even McCain's campaign) but then is sniveling enough to criticize Obama for the same policies.

He is a coward, a liar, and in a state of denial on extreme policies that have not produced any CLEAR CITABLE evidence of results, according to his rhetoric. He has time and time again responded to criticisms with implied accusations of subverting American security. Now that he is gone, America is still safe, and the policies have been rejected, he has devolved into a bitter person.

He should just run for office, but we all know he doesn't have the nads, and would be soundly defeated. Because Americans don't like him.

C'mon, Reader. He's not Chuck Norris.

He is a egotistical jerk (that's what a ego-testicle is, Baud)…

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 14:42:18

Looks like the two of you have a lot in common, D-Vega.

Apparently some troll moron got a hold of Vega's account.

Dick Cheney bears the burden of liberal scorn because he alone has the guts to speak the truth to the great liberal lie, which burns liberals so.

Okay, so does Sarah Palin, but nonetheless..

Sorry, CT, but I call it like I see it. Cheney wants to position me as giving aid & confort to America's enemies, then I say he's an ego-testicle. I'm sure he can take it.

God was showing Ronald Reagan around Heaven. He said "and this will be your home, Ronnie" as he pointed to a beautiful 4-bedroom cottage sitting under a majestic oak on a 4-acre lot. And as they moved on, Reagan noticed a huge mansion on top of the hill, with massive stone columns, hundreds of rooms, surrounded by a massive golden gate, but all the doors were open and the mansion appeared to be empty. Reagan turned to God and asked, "God, why is your home so empty?" and God replied "Oh, that's not mine, that's reserved for Dick Cheney."

"He should just run for office, but we all know he doesn't have the nads, and would be soundly defeated. Because Americans don't like him."

Yeah, Cheney's so unpopular he served 12 years in Congress, was confirmed 92-0 by the Senate to be SecDef, and was elected to two terms as VP.

You're just upset and embarassed that a man of accomplishment like him is telling the truth about the empty suit of Obama and his reckless policies.

Unlike liberal pretenders such as Carter and Clinton, Cheney isn't furiously flying around the globe trying to impose himself in a phony effort to rehab his legacy. He's actually earned his retirement from public office.

No person was ever more aptly named than Dick Cheney.

Well, after your little diatribe I think we can all come to the conclusion of what the 'D' in d-vega stands for.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-10-14 14:58:11

And Cheney would be President if he were running agains our current VP.

Maybe it has to be at the top of a hill, with a gate, so Dick Cheney doesn't accidently shoot someone.

No, that's to provide him with a superior fire position from which to mow down the un-hinged liberals who lie their way into Heaven in order to crash his gate to avenge his destruction of their earthly lies.

You're just upset and embarassed that a man of accomplishment like him is telling the truth about the empty suit of Obama and his reckless policies.

Bah, if that's your best hope, then good luck with that. I know he the cat's pajamas to conservatives, but no, Americans don't like Dick Cheney. No VP in recent memory has been treated with such scorn. People were longing for the days of Dan Quayle.

Cheney isn't furiously flying around the globe trying to impose himself in a phony effort to rehab his legacy.

No, his phony effort to rehab his legacy is reserved for the Sunday talk shows about once a month.

No, that's to provide him with a superior fire position from which to mow down the un-hinged liberals who lie their way into Heaven in order to crash his gate to avenge his destruction of their earthly lies.

Wow. Even in Heaven he would be a war-mongering prick with no respect for a CinC.

Yeah, pretty clear he's been either hacked or his 11 year old kid is typing with his name.

Americans don't like Dick Cheney.

Yet Americans trust and respect Dick Cheney.

I'm not that old, CT. My son is 3 1/2.

Even in Heaven he would be a war-mongering prick with no respect for a CinC.

God's business is not war-mongering. And respect must be earned.

Yet one out of five Americans trust and respect Dick Cheney.

FTFY.

"No VP in recent memory has been treated with such scorn."

Exactly. Defend America = liberals hate you.

One out of five Americans admit they'd vote for Cheney. ALL Americans trust and respect Dick Cheney, and would choose him over Obama if they were forced to pick who'd they want in a foxhole with them, even though many can't bring themselves to admit it because he won't sugar coat the truths they choke on.

FTFY.

Even in Heaven he would be a war-mongering prick with no respect for a CinC.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 15:06:58

As opposed to all the Liberals with no respect for the CinC during the Bush Administration. You remember them, D-Vega. The Liberals that you are so steadfastly trying to ignore while you slander and smear one man with your juvenile insults (oooo, he said 'Dick', hehehehehehehe!)

Where's your condemnation for Clinton's VP and his rhetoric during the last eight years?

Oh please. You have no credibility to whine about name-calling.

Another page out of the Pathetic-Left-Wing-Attack-Handbook. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "whining". It's easier than actually arguing, isn't it?

Especially when the former VP, whose policies have been made to look ridiculous, undermines current American policy, as articulate by our current CinC, at every opportunity.

Confound that Dick Cheney and his First Amendment!

Doesn't he know that dissent is only patriotic when liberals do it?

We've seen more of him in the past 9 months (The 2009 Torture Tour©)then we saw in eight years.

Yeah, that's because he was working over the last eight years. Unlike the Obamessiah, Dick Cheney and other members of the Bush administration didn't dodge work to jet around the country and around the world give fancy speeches. They actually did stuff from time to time.

And yes, it is undermining when its the former Vice President.

I didn't hear you complaining when Al Gore and Jimmy Carter were doing it. Another page out of the Pathetic-Left-Wing-Attack-Handbook. Ignore anything liberal politicians do, but when conservative politicians do the same thing accuse them of being dangerous subversives.

He is giving aid & comfort to the enemies of this country.

LOL So now anyone who publicly disagrees with the Obama administration is a "traitor"?

Gawd, you're not even TRYING to hide your hypocrisy.

Another page out of the Pathetic-Left-Wing-Attack-Handbook.

Are you trying to co-opt my slam on you, like you tried to do with Jackie Robinson? tsk. tsk.

Accuse anyone who disagrees with you of "whining". It's easier than actually arguing, isn't it?

I am fully willing to argue. I am not saying shut up because you are whining. I am asserting that you have no high-ground in terms of name-calling.

Confound that Dick Cheney and his First Amendment! Doesn't he know that dissent is only patriotic when liberals do it?

I am not telling Dick Cheney to shut up either. I am exercising my right to call him a ego-testicle.

Yeah, that's because he was working over the last eight years. Unlike the Obamessiah, Dick Cheney and other members of the Bush administration didn't dodge work to jet around the country and around the world give fancy speeches. They actually did stuff from time to time.

And exactly what did he do for eight years? Destroy the Republican brand for a generation? Legalize torture? Eat kittens?

I didn't hear you complaining when Al Gore and Jimmy Carter were doing it.

You must have a short memory then. Actually, you MUST have a short memory.

Another page out of the Pathetic-Left-Wing-Attack-Handbook.

You are co-opting again, samurai.

LOL So now anyone who publicly disagrees with the Obama administration is a "traitor"? Gawd, you're not even TRYING to hide your hypocrisy.

That I said with a bit of tongue-in-cheek. Of course I don't think he's giving aid & confort. I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

That I said with a bit of tongue-in-cheek. Of course I don't think he's giving aid & confort. I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 16:53:42

Don;t you get tired of lying, asshole? "Tongue-in-cheek"? NOT!

"The only thing petty and childish here is Little Dick Cheney, hopelessly clinging to policies that were soundly rejected while he was still in office and beyond.

Posted by D-Vega 2009-10-14 14:17:57"

Are you trying to co-opt my slam on you, like you tried to do with Jackie Robinson? tsk. tsk.

Wassamatta, D-Vega? You realize how stupid your lines sound when someone else tries them on you?

I am fully willing to argue.

Evidently not, since you seem to think anyone who publicly criticizes the Obamessiah is a dangerous subversive and a traitor.

I am not telling Dick Cheney to shut up either.

Oh, so you think he's undermining the President and you want him to keep doing it?

Well gosh, I had no idea you hated Barack Obama so much, D-Vega. Does this make you a racist now?

And exactly what did he do for eight years?

What exactly did Obama do over the last eight years? Vote "present" a lot?

Seriously D-Vega, were you asleep for the last eight years or something? Cheney has been variously described as the most powerful and influential Vice President in history. I know it doesn't make much sense to you that someone could be powerful and influential without jetting around giving pretty speeches, but some people don't have the luxury of voting "present" to avoid actual work. He helped shape President Bush's approach to the War on Terror, on taxes, on the treatment of captured terrorists, and more. The Washington Post featured a pulitzer prize-winning 4 part article summarizing Cheney's influence in the Bush administration (it's hilariously biased but the bare bones of it are accurate).

But apparently, because he didn't run around boasting about what a super-awesome job he was doing and how his opponents were a bunch of meanie poo-poo doody-heads like the Obamessiah does, I guess that doesn't count for you.

You must have a short memory then. Actually, you MUST have a short memory.

Oh, there you go again. Every time we point to a liberal politician who does something hypocritical the same thing happens. You say "But I totally did criticize them back then!" then we say "Oh yeah? When? Show us the quote" then you say "Oh, well, I wasn't on RightWingNews at the time so you guys didn't actually see it, but if I had been here I totally would have, for sure".

It was old before it was new.

You are co-opting again, samurai.

It hurts when someone shows you how pathetic your tactics are, doesn't it D-Vega?

That I said with a bit of tongue-in-cheek.

Ah yes, a classic entry in the Pathetic-Left-Wing-Attack-Handbook. The old "Jeez guys, can't you take a joke?" defense. Whenever a liberal says something stupid, he can just pretend it was "tongue in cheek". Or "satire". Anything to avoid taking responsibility for your own words, eh D-Vega?

I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine.

Oh really? So you have an example of Dick Cheney accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being a traitor?

I mean, you said you did once before, right? I know you failed to come up with an example that time, but surely you can give me a quote this time, right?

Right?

This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this "public option" provision everyone keeps fixating on – Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.

Individual Mandates to buy private insurance sound like a “free market” solution and “individual responsibility” but in this context they are not – they are simply a front for a government run system. Many conservatives can be easily fooled by this faux “private” front (Mitt Romney was) .

Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:

(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS

(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE

(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE

With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization?

I never cease to be amused at the left's attitude toward Dick Cheney. They loved him before he became an effective VP in a Republican presidency that was crushing the Democrats. They thought he would bring wisdom and "gravitas" to the Bush administration, that he was the voice of experience and he'd steer President Bush right. For many, he and Colin Powell were the only acceptable parts of the Bush administration. I remember it well.

The shift started around 2004, as I recall. He was okay until then, then the narrative was passed around: Cheney is a demon. It was really about the time when people realized that while President Bush was lousy in a speech and couldn't PR his way out of a paper bag, Cheney was a titan in a field of midgets. He had to go. By now they've probably convinced themselves they always hated him.

Eastasia has always been at war with Eurasia.

The shift started around 2004…Cheney was a titan in a field of midgets. He had to go. By now they've probably convinced themselves they always hated him

And it started with the VP debate, where Cheney buried John Edwards. Imagine. At one time liberals took it personally that Dick Cheney could come off looking good next to that pathetic joke.

Posted by EyeBEW77

2009-10-14 22:48:20

Shut up hoggo, you're an idiot.

What kills me is how obvious it is that this "healthcare reform" will make things worse, drastically increase costs for the middle class (tax on plans, increase in premiums, employers dropping healthcare coverage), reduce quality of and access to care, balloon the deficit that the lefties so worried about during the Bush years – when it was $3 trillion smaller and not even close to growing at the current out of control pace – does not deal with the things that cause the biggest problems (government meddling and a broken tort system), and in general is a massive step backwards for us all. And yet, the collectivists keep pretending this is a much needed fix – as if funneling trillions more of our dollars through congress and giving up our medical decision making process to bureaucrats is the fix for anything – and are happy to see it happen. Literally the joy here is over the fact that they are going to be able to grow their power and saddle most of us all with the same misery. How stupid do you have to be to do things like this? And the politicians still remain exempt from the consequences of this disastrous plan they are foisting on us.

Isn't it amazing how the left is screaming crisis about health insurance in America (the actually care is superb), while ignoring the economy and pretending Social Security is totally safe and not at all a crisis?

Actually no, it isn't amazing at all when you consider that their only purpose in crying wolf is to seize increased control over the US economy.