Once again, VH perpetuates lies. But I know that is his intention. You can include the buffoon known as Ben Shapiro in that lot as well.

On Dec. 9, Obama nominated Mari Del Carmen Aponte to be ambassador to El Salvador, despite the fact that in the late 1990s, the FBI discovered that she was working with Cuban intelligence officers. According to Insight Magazine, “When the FBI eventually questioned her about her involvement with Cuban intelligence, she reportedly refused to cooperate.”

LIE – Insight Magazine, who the heck are they? Oh, the Moonies paper with a history of lies.

Aponte was cleared of any collaboration with Cuba.

From the Miami Herald (2/1999):

The FBI has cleared a former White House volunteer entangled in rumors that Cuban spies once tried to recruit her, and President Clinton will nominate her to a top government job, officials say.

Clinton had nominated Aponte as ambassador to the Dominican Republic last year but she withdrew Oct. 25, citing “personal reasons,” after the spy tale began circulating in Washington gossip circles. Months earlier, the FBI had given her a top-security clearance for the ambassadorial post even though the bureau was aware of the Cuban spy tale, Clinton administration officials confirmed.

One Aponte friend said she withdrew after staffers at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, chaired by Jesse Helms, R-N.C., vowed the panel would ask her tough personal questions as part of her confirmation process. A committee spokesman declined comment.

The spy tale dates back to 1993, when Florentino Aspillaga, an intelligence agent with Cuba’s Interior Ministry who had defected in 1987, told it to Miami’s Diario las Americas newspaper.

Without offering any evidence, Aspillaga alleged that Cuban spies were trying to recruit Aponte through her Cuban-born boyfriend, Roberto Tamayo, who was known to frequently visit the Cuban diplomatic mission in Washington.

What Aspillaga apparently didn’t know was that Tamayo, a Washington businessman, was also in contact with the FBI. “Tamayo was a valuable source of information about some of the personalities within the Cuban Interests Section,” retired FBI counterintelligence agent Ed Joyce told The Washington Times last month.

Aponte’s friends said that as soon as she learned of Aspillaga’s allegations, she went to the FBI to inquire about Tamayo, and later arranged a meeting between him and the FBI agents.

That’s Lie #1

In fact, the day before Obama nominated Aponte, NCLR-affiliate Chicanos Por La Causa (CPLC) was raided by the Phoenix Sheriff’s Office, which was investigating a kickback scheme between CPLC and indicted Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox. CPLC allegedly gave Wilcox $297,000 in undisclosed loans in exchange for her votes to award over a million dollars in county contracts to CPLC.

Anothe lie, that doesn’t even have any relevance to the topic, really. The CPLC has no connection to Aponte.

But anyways, its still hogwash as the CPLC disclose the details of the three loans (which totaled $177K) and included interest rates of 12.5%, 8.5% and 8.0%. Not exactly kickbacks at those rates.

Lastly, the authorities found nothing wrong with the CPLC, which face no charges stemming out of the raid.

That’s LIE #3.

Oh, sorry, that was #2. This is number 3.

The Obama administration has consistently bent over backward to seek the approval of the NCLR. La Raza, by the way, means “The Race”; the organization’s founding document, el Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, rips the “brutal ‘gringo’ invasion of our territories” and urges Hispanics to “[reclaim] the land of their birth,” while declaring that “the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.”

“Raza” means “people” as well.

The main lie here is the PEA, which is NOT La Raza’a founding document. They actually have historically, specifically, distinguished themselves from the PEA. They are not separatists, not racist. They couldn’t be. Hispanics are Caucasians, too.

That’s LIE #3.

Here’s a bonus one.

Obama’s La Raza appointments started early and often. One of Obama’s first appointments as president was [Director of Intergovernmental Affairs] Cecilia Munoz, a former senior vice president at NCLR. She describes anti-illegal immigration groups as “hate groups” that promote “bigotry.” She has also suggested that crossing the border illegally is “a civil offense, not a criminal one.”

A lot of them are groups that are spreading hate & bigotry. This post proves it.

And crossing the border is a civil offense, jackwipe.

President Obama’s first Supreme Court appointment was Sonia Sotomayor, a member of the NCLR.

Nothing wrong with that. At all. That’s why she sailed through while you whimpered.

Thank you VH, for giving me the oppty to once again hand you your lying ass, and proving once again what a illegitimate hack you are.

A lot of them are groups that are spreading hate & bigotry. This post proves it.

La Raza is in that category as well, since it is a well know racist group.

You going to proclaim the Minutemen as a hate group Vega, after all, they just want the borders of the US respected by illegal aliens.

LIE – Insight Magazine, who the heck are they? Oh, the Moonies paper with a history of lies.

As opposed to the Miami Herald, the newspaper that fired three Hispanic reporters for daring (daring I say!) to print stories critical of Castro’s Cuban regime. There’s a word for what you are, D-Vega, and it rhymes with “schmypocrit”.

That’s Lie #1

Nice of you to number your own falsehoods like that. Saves me a lot of effort.

Anothe lie, that doesn’t even have any relevance to the topic, really. The CPLC has no connection to Aponte.

Did you even bother to read what you just quoted? The CPLC is an affiliate with the National Council of Latin-American Racial Supremicists–er, I mean “La Raza”. Aponte was on the Board of Directors for La Raza.

Pretending there’s no connection here only makes you look more pathetic than you already are, D-Vega.

That’s LIE #[2].

How exactly is that a “lie”?

Fact: The CPLC was raided by the Phoenix Sheriff’s office for allegedly being involved in a kickback scheme with Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox.

Fact: The CPLC is an affiliate of La Raza.

Fact: Aponte served on the Board of Directors for La Raza.

Exactly what part of that statement is a “lie”? Or are you saying that your statement is a lie? If so, thanks again for openly identifying which of your statements are deliberate falsehoods. Very accommodating of you.

“Raza” means “people” as well.

Yeah, right. And “Ku Klux Klan” just means “Circle of Family”.

They actually have historically, specifically, distinguished themselves from the PEA.

Have they now?

http://jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin071206.php3

Hispanics are Caucasians, too.

Might want to tell your racial supremicist buddies in La Raza that, then.

That’s LIE #3.

Really? By my count you’ve made at least seven lies so far.

A lot of them are groups that are spreading hate & bigotry.

Just like a lot of the groups who are affiliated and work with the National Council of Latin-American Racial Supremicists “La Raza” are spreading hate and bigotry. I’m glad we were abel to come to this accord, D-Vega.

And crossing the border is a civil offense, jackwipe.

False:

“The INA [Immigration and Nationality Act] includes both criminal and civil components, providing both for criminal charges (e.g., alien smuggling, which is prosecuted in the federal courts) and for civil violations (e.g., lack of legal status, which may lead to removal through a separate administrative system in the Department of Justice). Being illegally present in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the INA, and subsequent deportation and associated administrative processes are civil proceedings. For instance, a lawfully admitted nonimmigrant alien may become deportable if his visitor’s visa expires or if his student status changes. Criminal violations of the INA, on the other hand, include felonies and misdemeanors and are prosecuted in federal district courts. These types of violations include the bringing in and harboring of certain undocumented aliens, the illegal entry of aliens, and the reentry of aliens previously excluded or deported.“

http://immigration.procon.org/viewanswers.asp?questionID=000781

There’s this thing called “research” that you might want to look into, D-Vega.

Nothing wrong with that. At all.

I’m sure it seems that way to someone like you who sees no problem with a blatant racist on the Supreme Court. However, those of us who actually disapprove of racism have a slightly different view.

As opposed to the Miami Herald, the newspaper that fired three Hispanic reporters for daring (daring I say!) to print stories critical of Castro’s Cuban regime. There’s a word for what you are, D-Vega, and it rhymes with “schmypocrit”.

The difference is that the Miami Herald piece hasn’t been disproved. The FBI did indeed clear Aponte of any wrongdoing, whereas Insight has been proven wrong. Do you understand the difference?

Nice of you to number your own falsehoods like that. Saves me a lot of effort.

Have you found some info on Aponte being a Cuban spy yet?

Did you even bother to read what you just quoted? The CPLC is an affiliate with the National Council of Latin-American Racial Supremicists–er, I mean “La Raza”. Aponte was on the Board of Directors for La Raza.

La Raza is not any kind of racial supremacy org, first of all.

Secondly, there are tons and tons of affiliates. It doesn’t mean there is a DIRECT connection. We are talking about politics here. That’s like saying Aponte had a direct hand in Sotomayor being nominated. Something that is pulled right out of your ass.

How exactly is that a “lie”?

Because it attempts to correlate the raid with Aponte’s nomination, which is absurd and dishonest.

Dishonest = lie.

Fact: The CPLC was raided by the Phoenix Sheriff’s office for allegedly being involved in a kickback scheme with Maricopa County Supervisor Mary Rose Wilcox. Fact: The CPLC is an affiliate of La Raza. Fact: Aponte served on the Board of Directors for La Raza.

So that would mean the former RNC Chair is somehow responsible or connected to the massive corruption on the part of Republicans for the past several years. After all, they were Republican, and he was the chair.

Or maybe all the anti-immigration folks are wholly responsible for the racist imagery displayed at some rallies.

There are many, many affiliates of La Raza. You could just ask to be an affiliate and they would make you one. It’s ridiculous to attempt to connect dots where there are none.

Exactly what part of that statement is a “lie”? Or are you saying that your statement is a lie? If so, thanks again for openly identifying which of your statements are deliberate falsehoods.

Because it is stating that Aponte is escaping scrutiny because she is on the board of La Raza. Meanwhile, no such scrutiny is necessary.

Why? Because a) she was already investigated when she up for ambassadorship, and b) because she was cleared of any wrongdoing in 1999.

Yeah, right. And “Ku Klux Klan” just means “Circle of Family”.

Yes, it does. And the name itself is not racist.

Have they now? http://jewishworldreview.com/m…le/malkin071206.php3

Yes, they have. You have simply recycled the same old link that was posted when Sotomayor was nominated. And its hogwash. La Raza is not anything like that, but I assume you would believe Michelle Malkin, its not like she doesn’t have an axe to grind.

Please let me know if you need statements supporting my position. You do know proof when you see it, right?

Might want to tell your racial supremicist buddies in La Raza that, then.

They agree with me, as they are not racial supremacists. I actually know them, unlike you.

Really? By my count you’ve made at least seven lies so far.

That’s funny. Meanwhile, you have yet to prove any of the blatant factual distortions and outright lies from Vanna.

Just like a lot of the groups who are affiliated and work with the National Council of Latin-American Racial Supremicists “La Raza” are spreading hate and bigotry. I’m glad we were abel to come to this accord, D-Vega.

Oh, now it’s only affiliates? La Raza doesn’t spread hate.

False:

Let me cut out the important part here:

Being illegally present in the U.S. has always been a civil, not criminal, violation of the INA, and subsequent deportation and associated administrative processes are civil proceedings.

Thanks.

There’s this thing called “research” that you might want to look into, D-Vega.

You are the one who is recycling old posts, which have been proven false, from Michelle Malkin.

I’m sure it seems that way to someone like you who sees no problem with a blatant racist on the Supreme Court.

I would have a problem with it, if indeed there was a blatant racist there.

However, those of us who actually disapprove of racism have a slightly different view.

Yeah, your view is anything liberal is racist, while any racist comment by a conservative is thoroughly explained away by blaming the victim of said racist comment. Gotcha.

Please let me know when you have that information on Aponte being a Cuban spy, Mighty. I can’t wait to see it.

Otherwise, VH is a illegitimate hacktard.

La Raza is not any kind of racial supremacy org, first of all.

This is a complete lie. Vega, come back when the koolaid buzz wears off.

Prove it, Nixon.

Crooks & Liars sums it up well:

You can tell a real hate group by what it’s preoccupied with. If its main agenda is about tearing down target races and demonizing their members, as well as paranoid stewing about the loss of power and privilege of their own group, then you’re looking at a real hate group.

If, on the other hand, it’s focused solely on uplifting members of its own group (something, incidentally, which many white-supremacist groups claim to be, though their hatemongering always surfaces in short order), then that’s not a hate group. That’s an ethnic-heritage group, like the Sons of Norway and the Irish-American League.

Or the National Council La Raza…, safely corporate, hardly the wild-eyed radicals the wingnuts have concocted in their fantasies. (Its name, for you right-wing feebs out there, does not mean “The Race”. It translates more accurately as “The People.” It refers specifically to people of Mexican heritage, but generically of Latino heritage. And Mexico is in fact a multiracial society.)

But the right’s increasingly mouth-foaming wingnut bloc hasn’t any use for facts that get in the way of the stories they want to tell — and the rest of the right is happy to sit silently by and let them tell ‘em. Which tells us, I think, that these folks are a long, long, long, loooooooong way off from figuring out where they went wrong.

The difference is that the Miami Herald piece hasn’t been disproved.

There you go again with your “you must prove me wrong” nonsense.

Honestly D-Vega, you’ve been here long enough to know that crap doesn’t fly here.

The FBI did indeed clear Aponte of any wrongdoing

Yeah, just like the California court system “cleared” OJ Simpson of wrongdoing.

Have you found some info on Aponte being a Cuban spy yet?

Oh, so now you’re all about “proof” are you? Funny how proof never seemed to matter to you until after Obama was elected.

La Raza is not any kind of racial supremacy org, first of all.

I’m sure there are plenty of white supremacist organizations that claim they aren’t about racial supremacy too.

Secondly, there are tons and tons of affiliates.

HAH! That is just brilliant.

La Raza has “tons and tons” of affiliates, therefore they can’t be faulted for associating with racial supremacist groups and “reconquista” organizations.

That is beautiful, D-Vega. I can’t wait to see this logic applied across the entire political spectrum. Maybe Robert Byrd can finally accept political donations from the KKK again.

It doesn’t mean there is a DIRECT connection.

No one ever claimed there was a “direct connection” between Aponte and the CPLC. That was just another of your lies.

The CPLC was offered as an example of the type of people La Raza (and by extension Aponte) freely associate with.

You do know what an “example” is, right D-Vega? I know you have real trouble with simple English words, but surely you do know what that word means, don’t you?

Because it attempts to correlate the raid with Aponte’s nomination

Only in your pathetic fevered brain, D-Vega.

So that would mean the former RNC Chair is somehow responsible or connected to the massive corruption on the part of Republicans for the past several years. After all, they were Republican, and he was the chair.

Repeating this lie won’t make it true, D-Vega. No one claimed any “direct connection”. Ever.

Shapiro only cited three facts.

Fact: The CPLC was raided by the Phoenix Sheriff’s office.

Fact: The CPLC is an affiliate of La Raza.

Fact: Aponte served on the Board of Directors for La Raza.

He never claimed any sort of direct connection between Aponte and the CPLC. That was just a lie YOU made up yourself.

Or maybe all the anti-immigration folks are wholly responsible for the racist imagery displayed at some rallies.

You mean the American flag? That’s not “racist imagery” D-Vega. That’s called “patriotism”. I know you liberals disapprove of that sort of thing, but that doesn’t make it “racist imagery”.

There are many, many affiliates of La Raza. You could just ask to be an affiliate and they would make you one.

So you’re saying La Raza will associate with anyone, including vile racial supremacist organizations. Thank you.

Because it is stating that Aponte is escaping scrutiny because she is on the board of La Raza.

Why do you keep making stuff up, D-Vega? NOWHERE was that said. Nowhere was that even implied.

Yes, it does. And the name itself is not racist.

You heard it here, folks. D-Vega thinks the Ku Klux Klan is not racist.

Yes, they have.

Because you say so.

You have simply recycled the same old link that was posted when Sotomayor was nominated. And its hogwash.

Because you say so.

La Raza is not anything like that,

You realize that blindly chanting “Nuh uh! Nuh uh!” in the face of facts doesn’t actually make those facts go away, right?

And really D-Vega, I know you have a problem with, y’know, reading, but you might want to try actually reading the link I gave you rather than jamming your fingers in your ears and pretending it doesn’t exist.

but I assume you would believe Michelle Malkin, its not like she doesn’t have an axe to grind.

So now you’re contending that Michelle Malkin has some sort of personal grudge against the National Council of Latin-American Racial Supremacists “La Raza”?

Where pray tell does this information come from? I suspect the answer is “your ass” but I’d just like to hear it from you.

They agree with me, as they are not racial supremacists.

Because you say so.

That’s funny.

I know, it’s hilarious. I mean, statistically you should have made at least one true statement by now. But so far it’s just been lie, lie, lie, brainless personal attack on Van Helsing, lie, lie.

It’s really quite remarkable how dishonest you can be when you really put your mind to it.

Oh, now it’s only affiliates?

Who said that? Are you making stuff up again?

La Raza doesn’t spread hate.

And the KKK doesn’t burn crosses in black people’s yards.

See D-Vega? I can mindlessly repeat blatant falsehoods too.

Thanks.

Thanks for what? Thanks for disproving your argument? Um, you’re welcome, I guess.

But I suspect that, as usual, you have failed to actually READ the link I just gave you.

You said, quote, “crossing the border is a civil offense”.

The link I provided says, quote, “Criminal violations of the INA, on the other hand, include felonies and misdemeanors and are prosecuted in federal district courts. These types of violations include the bringing in and harboring of certain undocumented aliens, the illegal entry of aliens, and the reentry of aliens previously excluded or deported.”

Failing to leave after your immigration visa expires is a civil offense. Illegally crossing the border is a CRIMINAL offense.

See what happens when you don’t read, D-Vega?

You are the one who is recycling old posts, which have been proven false

You really do think saying it makes it true, don’t you D-Vega?

I would have a problem with it

…If she were white and/or a Republican. But she’s not, therefore her racism is acceptable to you.

Please let me know when you have that information on Aponte being a Cuban spy, Mighty.

Why should I? It’s not like you actually care. The only reason you’re even on this thread is to vent your unhealthy obsession with Van Helsing. (For the record, the only reason I’m here is because watching you stamp your little feet and pout about that mean ol’ Van Helsing is absolutely hilarious.)

Posted by D-Vega
2009-12-17 17:56:02

*snort*

Really D-Vega? Crooks and Liars?

Why not cite the Daily Kos, while you’re at it?

“Raza” means “people” as well.

So does “gente.” So why don’t they call themselves “La Gente?”

La Raza is a Hispanic superiority group, they don’t make it a secret. They’re as tame as… well the British National Party, for example, who tries really hard not to let its racism and white supremacist background peek through.

When I was living back in SD, virtually every La Raza member there openly spoke of ‘reconquista’. It’s really hard not to see them as a moderately racist group with anti-American aims when you hear that line frequently from their members.

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