What is obamas answer to lawlessness and complete govt failure in their constitutionaly mandated job…….more lawlessness and govt failure. Arizona was willing to help with the job your failing at. Fuck you obama and holder. Your willing to let ranchers get killed, people get robbed, kidnappings, drugs, rapes, and everything else that has come across the border from 3rd world Mexico. All for votes. Fuck you. Hope you rot in hell.

And they think there wont be a civil war?
They keep pushing for one.

If, god forbid, shooting starts, do these clowns understand the people they have spent decades attacking are also the most heavily armed segment of the American population?

The ONLY reason they haven't started shooting yet, is their hope to make the needed changed from within the system.

If that fails, I would love to see the leftards reaction when a few hundred thousand armed and angry Americans descend on DC. I'd love to have the Charmin concession then. ;)

I agree MR EMT, given the choices we may be facing very soon of: living on your knees while the country rots around you under socialism or dieing on your feet in a civil war, I would rather die on my feet fighting in a civil war, my wife and child would understand I fought and died for them to be free. There is still a glimmer of hope with November comming but that might be our last chance and last hope to save this country.

“The ONLY reason they haven't started shooting yet, is their hope to make the needed changed from within the system.”

I honestly think the days of sitting and waiting for the Federal government to start listening to the people again are drawing to a close. If the Republicans lose this November, or win and continue acting just like the Democrats, I really think a second Civil War is inevitable. I really hope it doesn't come to that, but — unlike Liberals — I don't confuse hope with logic.

Yep, no responsibility lies with Republicans who could have solved this problem four years ago when they were in power, remind me again what legislation they proposed? Its all the Dems fault. Pathetic, it took BOTH parties to get us to this mess. I dont hear any Republicans on the hill demanding that they handle immigration reform right now, why is that?

Interesting. You mentioned a “mess”, then focus on tblrk2006's anger at the people currently in power. Yes, you really care about “this mess,” don't you.

Here is the flaw in your thinking. You seem to think that we care about the blame game as much as you, when the truth of the matter is, we simply want the peop-le calling the shots to actually fix the problem.

How many years have you been posting here? Long enough to know that we have all of us been pissed off at Bush and the GOP for their role in this, but here's the thing: They are no longer in office. But you keep going after people who aren't in a position to effect change. I will focus my anger on those that are.

Simple enough: if democrats want to be able to blame republicans for all the problems in the country then they need to also not be in charge.

So either learn to accept responsibility or work on getting democrats unelected. You can't really expect to have it both ways.

“Waaaaaa! I have an absolute majority and get whatever I want but whatever happens is everyone elses fault!”

Then you aren't listening moron, plenty of Reps are talking about the border and immigration, and be summarily ignored by the party in charge, you know your party the Dims.

Any news on overturning this ruling?

What happens if it is simply ignored?

All it would take is one major incident for Brewer to say “screw it, I'm enforcing the law anyways”. What then, does Obama deploy the National Guard to stop Arizona cops from enforcing the law while illegals burn the state to the ground?

We're a lot closer to mass civil unrest than I think anybody realizes, and there are a lot of ways it could go down considering the huge number of jobless, bankrupt police forces, and Federal government firmly aligned against its citizens.

You're right, I think we are on a powder keg here. However, the “Federal government firmly aligned against its citizens” involves largely the ruling political class. When the SHTF, there will be a crisis of oath of office, and many federal agents, guardsmen and military personnel will have to decide which side to fight on. Methinks the vast majority will stick to the constitution, not defend the lawless political class. Therein lies the major weakness this Administration fails to consider. Their Cloward/Piven/Alinsky strategy has major problems, but their hubris and zeal undermine its execution.

No one is afraid of you or your empty threats of violence.

Talk is cheap, bub. Bring it on. Don't ever make the mistake in thinking you have more guns.

Don't ever make the mistake in thinking that anyone here believes your bluster, coward!

What are you going to, throw dirt at us?

David Duke. Bush. 2004. Bitch.

Nobody believes your transparent bravado either.

I have made no threats, douchebag.

No one is afraid of your empty threats of violence, Vag.

Bush wanted immigration reform with out amnesty.
He was blocked by a bunch of jack off's including mccain and some other “reach across'ers” who wanted amnesty or status quo
Meantime blood is on the ground, and the only thing your dear leader wants is more of the same. He certainly is not trying to protect the citizens on the border.
And there you sit trying to blame repubs?
You are a moron.

That and other things.

Conservatives who spout off about how many guns they have with threats usually are the ones who are cowards.

No, people that post lies on boards like this and then run away when challenged are the cowards, Vega. And YES, I am talking to you!

Will you do what you do here, Vega. Fling your crap at the wall and demand we pay attention to you?

If I am being threatened by hordes of conservatives and their oh so frightening guns?

bravado?

You fling your crap when no one is around. why don't you just beat the holiday rush and run away now.

What did I say not that long ago?

Oh yeah.

Civil war in the US of A.

Simply put, your nation has become far too divided. Similar BS is happening up here in Canuckistan, and people are only starting to wake up to it. People are being gunned down in the streets in the city I live in, and the cops are powerless to do anything. Instead, they focus their attention on ticketing people with nice cars, even if the cars are 100% legal. Challenging the ticket costs a ton of money, so the government wins no matter what.

I'm through with it up here, and once I have my education, I'm booking it for Texas and joining up with the Texas separatists.

So consider how many have *not* said anything.

Good for you.
Once you get down here and get a taste for the food and rodeos you won't want to call another place home.

I think Sherriff Joe is already pretty much ignoring it.
Can't wait to see if he starts jailing the politicians obstructing justice lol.

Great, more poo flung at us.
You retards think that is so affective.

When the fighting start, you be able to find Vega. He'll be the one cowering behind his Ikea furniture, throwing little pieces of paper and trash into the air, screaming “Stop it, you BRUTE!!!”

Without his keyboard and his ability to lie and run away, Vega is NOTHING!

Don't commit treason, don't fuck with our inalienable rights, don't fuck with our constitution and you will not be in a position to feel threatened now will you?

Yes, the left has been calling servicemen cowards and baby killers for almost 50 years now.
It's old and around me the least it gets you is a punch in the mouth as long as a punch in the mouth is enough to teach you manners and respect.
You appear to be more stubborn than that.

Let's see, the Feds have FAILED miserably at securing the US-Mex border, and the left as well as their lackeys in the judiciary are doing all they can to help make Arizona collapse under the weight of illegals overburdening their state.
I distinctly seeing Nancy Pelosi state how she believed that we taxpayers automatically owe illegals everything taxpayers are entitled to (education, medical care, the right to vote, etc.) that's typical of the left, catering to the lowest common denominator, buying their support with our tax money!
Doesn't state law trump Federal regulation in situations like this? What about STATE'S RIGHTS under the 10th Amendment?

I got faith that the day of fighting we fear will never come to pass. That things will work out for the best of this nation.
I still have faith in humanity to do the right thing. I have a hard time believing that the America as a nation has grown a majority of people who would rather sit on their butts and do nothing but collect foodstamps to live in government shacks in run down neighborhoods where their children get shot 22 times like this 13 year old boy in chicago http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Gun-S…
I would prefer to think the majority of Americans enjoy living in a Great Nation that leads the world in growth and development and tries to be everyone's good neighbor lending a helping hand when needed. Where any person has the ability to work theirselves out of poverty and into prosperity so long as they are not afraid of putting in some effort and hard work.
I have faith in God… and I will keep my powder dry.

I have the same faith, EMT, and I see things every day that justify my faith. Living in Texas has made me realize that there are still people out there who care about this nation and will salute the American Flag with tears in their eyes when it goes by.

But two things are for sure…
1) My powder is dry AND PLENTIFUL!
2) I woullrather fight the enemies of this nation alone than have to rely upon a pathetic and cowardly New York Liberal like Vega.

Ahh, one of the two most overtaxed socialist states in the US that is rapidly going under.
And he wants the rest of the nation to run blindly down that path, no wonder we hate New York so much down here.

I can think of at least one judge that needs to be removed from her office.

Stop crying, Stan. I am sorry to disturb the macho posturing here due to your political failures.

No one did any of that, junior.

And I didn't say I felt threatened. I said no one is afraid of the cowards who whine due to their inadequacies.

When is the fighting starting, Stan? I want to know so I can laugh when nothing happens.

People who still care about this nation? Like the millions of Mexican Americans living in Texas?

I think NY wouldn't like you much either. And NY would chew up a little man like you and spit you out.

Still running away from your lies I see. Imagine my surprise!

It is your side proclaiming the need fo rrevolution, Vega. When are you and your spinless ilk going to follow through and start something?

The legal ones care about this nations, Vega. The criminals? Well, Sherrif Joe has plenty of room!

And the impotent bluster continues.

So says the blowhard. Stan you have been blowing smoke for so long you cant see it now. Thats all you can do threaten, you never do anything but threaten. It gets old and tiresome.

Oooo look, little run-away has jumped into a discussion to launch a personla attack. How are you, little run-away? Do you have an answer yet for my question about what you believe?

Why would we do that when according to you we are in control?

It is your side which is implying violent revolt at every opportunity.

I am not the one foaming at the mouth over a civil war wet dream.

Go keep your powder dry, Stan. Meanwhile the rest of us will go on with reality.

Vega, Vega, Vega… you are seriously deluded. Take a breathe, and then STFU!

Whenever you and your ilk are ready to start the war, you just let us know, Vega. Until then… YAWN!

Yeah, you have lots of issues with Americans that beleive in all of their Constitutional rights, not just the ones Liberal hacks like you keep “evolving” or “discovering”.

And I want no part of your pathetic Liberal reality, Vega. You keep that all to yourself in New York!

What lies?

Your post about McCarthy was full of them, Vega.
Wrong chamber of Congress, wrong committee, wrong mission, not a single name of anyone that McCarthy ruined… You remember, the post you made and then ran away!

Shall I continue?

BTW, Vega. I have a doctors appointment and will be offline for a while. Do not get your little panties in a wad if I don't respond to you right away, m'kay pumpkin?

We can start that up again anytime you are ready. I didn't run from a damn thing. I had bested you in that debate on a previous McCarthy discussion.

Stop deflect now, Stan. Tell us more about Texas' threatened secession.

When Texas secedes, you can do whatever you want.

I am not threatening anything, Stan. I am stating to you that no one, liberal or independent, is afraid of rightwing alusions.

That is a violent revolution to you?
That is just a treaty between the Republic of Texas and the United States of America.
We simply have to flip a switch to make it happen.

Yup, half of my current colleagues are mexican, or mixed.
Not a single one of them are democrat, not a single one of them are against Arizona, and each one of them wants Texas to enact the same laws protecting us.
Last night the local news covered some jackasses protesting the Arizona law. The news asked people to vote their opinion on the law, and the results would be aired last night. 90% voted that they believe Arizona should FIGHT for their sovereign rights and enforce the law that has been blocked rather than rewrite it.

Funny, Houston didn't.
DC didn't either.
I am not impressed with big cities. You guys live with out being able to see the stars at night. You don't know what its like to stop in between where you are coming from and going on the side of the road and wait thirty minutes to an hour before another person passes you by on the road… and stops to ask if you need help.
You do not know what its like to live where the nearest hospital is over 40 minutes away driving 80 miles an hour.
The only thing you are taught is “if I walk fast and try to blend in maybe today I wont be a victim.”
Your city makes the news when a good Samaritan gets himself knifed to death defending someone, and lays in the sidewalk for hours before he finally dies while people are stepping over him to go by.
You think another big city would chew me out when all else has not?
You got another think coming.

No, you just drool and sputter and splatter and poo fling.

“You aren't the only one with guns” ~Vag

Yeah, not too impressed with a liberal with a gun.
Fizzle already tried to teach us about guns.

Right wingers have made no “alusions”
Despite the left's rabid attack on the constitution and on our Nation in an attempt to overthrow the government and enslave the population, we still haven't gone to war over it yet.
We are simply waiting.
And as I initially observed, which started you on this drooling rambling rant, “your actions are pushing us into a war”

You keep pushing and pushing, one day you are going to get pushed back. That is a fact of life.
You push someone who is polite enough to turn the cheek the first time and let it go, the next time you push that somebody they may loose their composure and leave you in the dirt while they move on with more important things than dealing with a poo flinging retard who is wasting their time.

I don't have to wait for someone to admit to their fear, to wait until they “say” what their actions show.
I made an observation that the treasonous actions of the left are pushing us into a war.
From that you over reacted claimed I was making threats, when I did not, and continue with your drooling poo flinging rants.
My observation made you feel threatend due to the fact, you are guilty of what I said.
That emotion you are feeling, it isn't “threat”. It is dread and apprehension that your actions are about to lead you to doom.
That is your gut instinct try to scream at you that your logic is taking you down a path of destruction and you need to seriously evaluate your actions and decide if what you are doing is worth the cost.

interpretation, “While I am behind my momma's computer in my momma's basement you can't touch me nah ne nah ne boo boo,”

You claimed McCarthy was a member of HUAC, participated in the Hollywood Blacklisting, and targeted homosexuals… NONE OF WHICH IS TRUE!

You had multiple snarky remarks until I pointed out the above information to you, at which point you stop posting for nearly two days.

And to top it all off, you have never EVER provide the name of a single innocent person harmed by McCarthy, despite my conmtinued questions and my providing you over a dozen names of proven Communists spys named by Mccarthy.

So what were you saying about besting me, Vega?

And when did I ever say texas was going to seceed? Oh, you are making that up to deflect from your lies about Mccarthy. Gotcha!

Nothing is pushing you anywhere. You wouldn't have the balls to do a damn thing, and anyone else who threatens violence is doing so at their own choice.

Nothing like that happened. Your side failed miserably at leadership and winning elections. Deal with it, you whiney loser.

Like usual, more bark than bite.

Always nice to feel safe and secure in your failed logic while hiding behind a computer across the nation from someone isn't it?

Vag, when you say shit like that, it always delights me to make you eat your words.