William, it's funny watching how the masque slips from time to time and the learned heads of state are caught naked in their ambitions. This whole exercise on funding health care is nothing more than the pretext under which single-payer will be foisted off on the overwhelming majority who don't want it, don't need it, and who will undoubtedly perceive it as a long step down from their current insurance.

PS: The Obama administration also tried to bury a story that they will be going ahead with no-preconditions talks with Iran, releasing it Friday night.

The careful observer will notice that this "stealth" announcement comes at the end of week in which Mr. Ahmadinejad gave his first press conference since his illegitimate re-election, and he said:

“Iran’s nuclear issue is over, we will never negotiate Iran’s undeniable rights.”

The lead sentence from the Bloomberg.com story on the subject reads:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ruled out negotiations on his country’s nuclear program while saying he is willing to discuss other international issues in public with President Barack Obama.

In other words, we're going to sit down with the Iranians and discuss our proposed petrol embargo on Iran which has drawn few takers, or how the Yankees are doing, or something else – anything other than the pressing issue of nuclear arms.

Posted by martinhale

2009-09-13 10:21:15

Obama and Ahmadinejad still have much in common to discuss. I am sure they will find common ground in the "wiping Israel off the map issue."

That speech by Obama consisted of half-truths, lies, and damned lies. There were two honest moments during the whole thing: when Obama said he wants this bill rammed through so he can get credit for it no matter what the consequences, results or damage, and when Wilson called him a liar. In fact if someone had stood up and called Obama liar after every pause, they would have only served to up the number of honest moments during this shameful freak show.

Posted by snohomish

2009-09-13 12:29:15

ROFLMAO!!! No Joe Wilson was correct and Obambi has eatin crow. But keep up the spin hoggo, it's f'n hilarious!!

Yes the White House did quietly admit that Joe Wilson was correct to immediately apologize for his rude behavior when President Obama gracioulsy accepted Representative Wilson's apology in full.

2009-09-13 11:41:58

Facepalm.

Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.

Let's check back on the libs' comments, shall we? Remember, these are quotes before the WH changed the bill:

Liar #1:

You bring up a valid point. It would have been great if Wilson was indeed right (for those on the right) but now everyone is following up on his "You Lie" exclmation and fact checking the proposed bill and are discovering that his outburst was indeed false and that the President was indeed telling the truth.

It vindicates Obama ie he didn't lie and it makes the repubs look even more foolish and worse it erodes their credibility on stopping the healtcare overhaul.

Congrats Wilson, you've done the left a great service!

Posted by libliever

2009-09-11 22:53:14

Liar #2:

That's only because they get it now under the same circumstances. The bill does NOT provide service to illegals anymore then the status quo does.

The bill actually states plainly against this. And that is what Obama said.

The CRS report refers to the EXCHANGE, not the public option. Illegals would be able to participate in the EXCHANGE. That is, purchase private insurance. As they do now.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-11 11:20:43

The only question with whats_up is which one of his NUMEROUS lies should I post? I could max out John's server.

If these guys comment here they'll obviously try to deflect the issue.

Hogground is attempting to distract from his new sockpuppet by impersonating a mentally retarded person.

Abject failure there, hogg.

whats up Kingfisher?

Posted by snohomish

2009-09-13 16:53:26

You left out guns and butter and High Plains Radio Hogground. Also conspicuous by its abscence was a rant by you directed at Rush Limbaugh (kingmaker is your word) and James Dobson, who you hate with a passion unless he sayd something nice about Obama.

After all, you both publicly endorsed John McCain and condemned him as unfit for office within 96 hours on this very site.

I really think that Hogground, crthns, idpanicman, Brighthorizons, M77tha, frankie, and a few others are all the product of ONE deranged individual who has a personal grudge against John Hawkins. This person is a white power advocate, gay, technically literate, and has a massive axe to grind.

It takes no special ability whatsoever to catch Mr. Obama in a lie

A reminder: Obama is a liar. He repeatedly lied, and this is provable.

The left is yet to prove that a single thing Bush ever said was a lie.

There is not one shred of "you did that too" here – we're telling the truth, you've bashed a politician because it doesn't have the right letter after the name.

1: US Senator David Vitter who brought live porn for his personal perverted gratification into the same Washington DC living quarters that he shared on occassion with his wife.

Was this porn purchased from Larry Flynt–a HUGE Democratic supporter? That's the best ya' got, hoggo?

2: US Senator John Ensign who had the gall to cheat on his own wife and engage in an adultrous affair with the wife of one of his staff members.

If Enisgn was a Democrat then he would have traveled to North Korea as an official US representative AFTER cheating on his wife. You remember his name, Bill Clint–something, right?

3: Governor Mark Sanford who cheated on his loyal wife by taking tax payer funded trips out of country to engage in an adultrous affair with his mistress.

See "Frank, Barney."

4: Assemblyman Mark Duvall who had no shame and was caught on tape bragging about cheating on his wife by engaging in adultrous affairs with two women.

See "Edwards, John."

5: Virginia candidate for governor Bob Mcdonnell who whipped out the F word during a public interview available for young children to hear.

So McDonnell is trying out for a liberal comic or leading liberal Hollywood role?

Yet, Conservatives called for those Republicans to resign. Democrats don't. Heck, you guys have a former KKK big shot who was once a majority leader.

Meanwhile, the facts stand: Obama lied.

Hoggo is a pathetic little wretch who tries desperately to spin reality to fit his preconceived notions. Previous names he's tried such as counterspin reveal his intent here: to try to manipulate readers into thinking that what they have had proved and argued to them is a lie.

He fails constantly because his arguments are so incredibly weak and pathetic, but he's a decent enough sophist that most people cannot resist responding to him: sound without fury, an argument without facts, logic, or truth that sounds impressive.

The issue is how easy the left wing falls for politicians who tickle their ears before the facts.

Fixed that for you, snohomish. Such as Obama.

William -

hoggo can't address the point because he's the very definition of pointless. He's here because he thinks of himself as a "noble contrarian", but in reality he just another dogmatic idoelogue who adopts the opposite position of whatever you espouse, just to "get in your face". If you say something's black, he'll insist that it's white. If you claim something's good, he'll do his best to make the case that it's bad. If you've ever been around young children, you'll easily recognise the developmental stage at which he got stuck. He's obviously taken the Obama marching orders of "getting in faces" very literally and he'll challenge anyone, whether he knows what he's talking about or not.

It's been entertaining to watch him come up with a dozen or more user names to post under, in spite of the fact that all of the content he posts is woefully consistent under all of the user names he's used – as often as not, he's gotten the facts of whatever he's discussing hopelessly confused with how he feels about the subject and therefore it's virtually impossible for him to actually address a point.

But I know your question was merely a rhetorical device to corner him, and I know you are well aware of his failings as a debater.

You know William, I've thought more than once about posting the twelve rules for radicals in some of these threads where our leftist friends are active, and encouraging our compadres on the right to learn how to spot the obvious ideologue's traps that get set for them by operatives such as hoggo. Sort of a 'learn by doing' model of education which will help our folks become more adept at staying out of the obvious traps our leftists leave for them. There's another thread today, the McQ thread about racism, that's been completely highjacked by one of the leftists who rarely deviates from postings which are formulaic 'rules for radicals' comments. I have to believe that many of those who've responded to him might not have if they just understood what he was doing and what he is after.