An Interview With Congressman Joe Wilson

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An Interview With Congressman Joe Wilson

Written By : John Hawkins

On Wednesday night Congressman Joe Wilson made big news when he shouted out, “You lie,” while Barack Obama was falsely claiming that illegal aliens aren’t going to be covered by the health care bills winding their way through Congress.

Last night I got an opportunity to interview him. What follows is the slightly edited transcript of our conversation:

To start things out, last night after you shouted out, “You lie,” and you apologized, what kind of reaction did you get from your fellow Republicans in Congress?

Well, I was very encouraged. I began the day, appropriately enough, at the prayer breakfast and so many people were just so thoughtful in their comments and support. Then from there, I went to a foreign affairs committee meeting, saw other colleagues; then we had votes. Person after person came up and they were very encouraging. So many of them, not all, but so many of them said that what I said is what they were thinking.

What prompted me is that during the August break we had town hall meetings. I have been having town hall meetings for 25 years with my service in the State Senate and Congress. I’ve been very pleased with about 50 people attending — but, at the town halls in August, we had the largest town halls in the history of South Carolina. We had 1700 people in Columbia, 1500 in Lexington, 1500 in Beaufort, 1200 in Hilton Head. The people were so knowledgeable and so concerned and at each one we had hecklers there. But, the vast majority, over 95%, want health insurance reform, not a government takeover of healthcare. So, as the President was going through the speech, when he got to the part about illegal aliens and he was saying they wouldn’t receive benefits, I knew better because I had been following the amendments of the Ways and Means Committee and also the Energy and Commerce Committee.

I serve on the other committee, Education and Labor, that has jurisdiction. I was looking at all of the amendments and I knew that the Democrats had defeated the enforcement amendments about illegal aliens and these would be the amendments that would provide for verification of citizenship. That’s the wording and I’ve actually read the 1,000 page bill. The references to the illegal aliens in the bill didn’t have any enforcement. It was simply fluff.

So in other words, they say illegal aliens aren’t covered at all in the bill all they want, but if they deliberately leave out any enforcement provisions, it doesn’t mean anything because they can still…

It doesn’t mean anything. The verification, as proposed by the Republican amendments, was defeated in committee. I knew that and so I just felt like what I was hearing was not accurate. …So I was just really appalled at this.

Then I found out later that the Congressional Resource Service, which is an independent arm of Congress, on August the 26th had a report issued on treatment of non-citizens in HR3200 and it makes it very clear that there are no restrictions.

Now I think you’re right about that, 100%. Are there any other parts of the healthcare bill you think the President or some of his supporters aren’t exactly being forthright about? Anything just pop to mind?

Well, I think he was portraying the rest in the best light as he could. I think it truly understates the cost. We’re talking about a trillion dollars of borrowing and spending and……we don’t have to look very far. Cash for Clunkers was underestimated by a factor of three.

I’m particularly concerned because I represent a district that has high unemployment and the Natural Federation of Independent Businesses said that the impact on small businesses would eliminate 1.6 million jobs. The President glossed over that and made it sound like it was friendly to small business when I know it’s not.

You apologized for what you said last night, but do you think the President owes an apology, not to you, but to all of the genuinely concerned people who have pointed out problems in the plan and have been continuously accused of lying about it as a result?

Well, I really just want to get through my apology and I do want to get civilly right on the issues because I know this: What they’re proposing is simply unworkable…so we can win this.

In fact, John, at one of the town halls, I was criticized by a heckler because I had never mentioned the President’s name. That’s normally the style that I have, that I don’t want to make things personal. I would say “President” or “administration,” but I do not make it personal and I do have respect for the office and the President.

OK, on Twitter, one thing — I asked people if they had any questions for you and the one thing conservatives all wanted to know is how the donations have been coming since last night?

We’ve received several thousand donations. Of course, we’ve also got a circumstance where my opponent with the benefit of MoveOn — they can raise much more money. So they are raising more money — but, I just appreciate the contributions I’ve received and I’ll not take any election for granted. I just concluded last week a 10-county bus tour. I really do, John, pride myself on being accountable and accessible.

Thank you very much, appreciate your time.

Well, thank you.

If you are so inclined, you can contribute to Joe Wilson’s campaign here.

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In this day, it's particularly soothing to see someone who had the decency of sticking his thumb in the eye of dishonesty. Go Joe Wilson!
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Joe Wilson had nothing to apologize for. If you can cheer and agree you can also loudly disagree – it's not disrespectful if you're providing truth. If you can "BOO" at George W in a joint session of Congress than you can spout truth at a joint session of Congress as well.

-Thrive Blog Author
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Mike_M

Looks like Wilson is standing by his apology for speaking out of turn, but hasn't recanted calling Obama a liar.

Good.

You could have added demagogue, exploiter of the dead, and partisan agitator and been just as right, Congressman. But that would have been a lot to pack into one outburst.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

If you can "BOO" at George W in a joint session of Congress than you can spout truth at a joint session of Congress as well.

I never considered the booing of Bush any big deal.

However, these people can go fuck themselves who intentionally lie about the "integrity" of our government.

Go to any neonatal unit in the hospital and look at the newborns. Those newborns have been assigned thousands of dollars of debt thanks to our elected officials and the selfish, self-centered people who elect them. These children cannot vote and cannot protest but our politicians have ensured their debt for a loooooong period of time.

Wilson did the right thing and should not have apologized. In fact, I hope that this happens more often.

Don't piss me off because Pelosi claims that I carry swastikas.

Remember, this is "for the children."

P.S.: Any newborn in a hospital automatically receives health care, either through health insurance of some existing program (that will soon go bankrupt).
TheBaud

Interpretation of Wilson's response: I got my mind right after being taken to the woodshed by the GOP leadership for my rude behavior.

Posted by snohomish 2009-09-11 09:42:46

CORRECT TRANSLATION: The gutless GOP Leadership got theit little panties in a wad and I offered the apology to get them to stop whining.

Funny that everyone is so very concerned about the supposed decorum of the incident and are completely sidestepping the primary issue, that issue being that Obama LIED!!!!
TheBaud

Posted by snohomish 2009-09-11 10:00:30

Re-read the interview, skippy. Doesn't sound like a man who folded. Sounds like a man who will continue to fight against the lies and threats from Obama and his minions. Not that a sniviling Liberal like you would know what courage and tenacity looks like.
tblrk2006

Posted by snohomish

2009-09-11 10:00:30

Haha….yes he appolized for his outburst, but he still maintained (correctly) that hussein was not truthful about the illegals. If you care to read the bill the you will notice that is has no provisions for checking the citizenship of people looking for care. Owned
whats_up

Haha….yes he appolized for his outburst, but he still maintained (correctly) that hussein was not truthful about the illegals. If you care to read the bill the you will notice that is has no provisions for checking the citizenship of people looking for care. Owned

Posted by tblrk2006

2009-09-11 10:14:54

Also if you check the bill, there is no coverage for illegals, so it looks like both Wilson and Obama are telling the truth.
Mike_M

"Also if you check the bill, there is no coverage for illegals, so it looks like both Wilson and Obama are telling the truth."

Wrong. The first dime spent by the bill goes to covering illegals since existing Federal law prohibits making a distinction when providing medical care. Illegal immigrants will get medical coverage paid for as a result of this bill: undeniable fact.

Obama is a liar. Wilson is right.
whats_up

Wrong. The first dime spent by the bill goes to covering illegals since existing Federal law prohibits making a distinction when providing medical care. Illegal immigrants will get medical coverage paid for as a result of this bill: undeniable fact.

Obama is a liar. Wilson is right.

Posted by Mike_M

2009-09-11 10:23:33

Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill.
TheBaud

Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 10:31:37

See Mike_M, whats_up is a very shallow person and has no clue what he is talking about. Unless the bill says in letters 4 feet tall "THIS BILL COVERS ILLEGALS", he will continue to bitch and moan that it does not.

Expect nothing more from this imbicile.
http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

Guys, don't feed the troll. He is here to disrupt the discussion. Next thing you know he will start crying, again, over his gay partner. Did you know whats_up, as a sockpuppet of m77tha, is a nazi sypathizer?
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From GatewayPundit.Blogspot.Com, original story on Foxnews.com

Among three House committees to pass bills for health reform, only one expressly bans federal funding for proving health coverage to illegal immigrants.

"The Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens," Wilson said. "And I think this is wrong."

Indeed, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service study found that the House health care bill does not restrict illegal immigrants from receiving health care coverage.

House Republican Minority Leader John Boehner amplified the complaint that without proof of citizenship, illegal immigrants could be insured.

"There were two opportunities for House Democrats to make clear that illegal immigrants wouldn't be covered by putting in requirements to show citizenships," he said. "Both of those amendments were, in fact, rejected."

An Inconvenient Truth.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 10:31:37

SUMBFUCK, if the you CANNOT verify the legal status of an applicant WHAT IS STOP AN ILLEGAL FROM APPLYING???? The answer is NOTHING!!! THAT's WHAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN SAYING!! Your intentional belief that it can't or won't happen is either extremely naive or willful ignorance.
Mike_M

"Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill."

The bill does not change existing law, which allows government money to be spent on illegals. The bill spends additional money on government-provided care, some of which will go to illegals. Thus the bill spends government money of the treatment of illegals.

Obama is a liar. And you are a poor practicioner of elementary logic.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Also if you check the bill, there is no coverage for illegals, so it looks like both Wilson and Obama are telling the truth.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 10:18:57

Nice little legal-talk there, whats_up. As you stated, the bill doesn't specify one way or another if illegals are covered so a judge could rule in favor of an illegal who challenged the law.

That's how lawyers get their objectives met…by making sure that there are no specific restrictions so it can be changed later.

Dumbass.
Mike_M

"Guys, don't feed the troll. He is here to disrupt the discussion."

The more he argues, the more I refute him. The more I refute him, the more it will be read by people coming to this site to read the interview with Joe Wilson.

Thus the more he argues, the more people will learn the truth about the bill and Obama's lies. (Hey, this logic thing is fun!)
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 10:31:37 </i.

You're right whats_fucked_up, the bill doesn't say ANYTHING about it so a judge can rule either way.

Thank you for proving us right.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Also if you check the bill, there is no coverage for illegals

There's also no way to check for legal status, so Obamacare will provide health care for illegals. Of course, as it's socialised medicine, they might just as well go home and see a witch doctor or whatever.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Interesting that Obama didn't apologize to doctors for lying about them regarding amputations nor to the Cambridge officer for calling him stupid. That took the issue of integrity off the table.

Wilson shouldn't have apologized and should have referenced the aforementioned events as evidence that the president is an idiot and that leftists don't deserve to be heard.
whats_up

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-11 11:03:58

Actually he should have apologized since he broke house rules in regards to a Joint Session.
TheBaud

Actually he should have apologized since he broke house rules in regards to a Joint Session.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 11:12:21

You mean, like the Democrats did by Booing Bush, for which they never apologized?

Decorum works both ways, whats_up.
D-Vega

The first dime spent by the bill goes to covering illegals since existing Federal law prohibits making a distinction when providing medical care. Illegal immigrants will get medical coverage paid for as a result of this bill: undeniable fact.

That's only because they get it now under the same circumstances. The bill does NOT provide service to illegals anymore then the status quo does.

The bill actually states plainly against this. And that is what Obama said.

The CRS report refers to the EXCHANGE, not the public option. Illegals would be able to participate in the EXCHANGE. That is, purchase private insurance. As they do now.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Actually he should have apologized since he broke house rules in regards to a Joint Session.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 11:12:21

Actually he didn't need to apologize since decorum and the rules have been thrown out the window by Dems in '04. Until they apologize for their outbursts, they have no room to bitch.

So take your rules and shove them AGAIN. Because that's the left in '04.
D-Vega

That's bullcrap, wolf. Not one pol had ever screamed out "You lie!" during a Joint Session of Bush.

Moans & Groans? That is standard during these types of speeches, going back to Reagan as far as I remember. I'm kinda young though.

No one in the modern era has done something so child-like during an address by the POTUS.

The nearest thing a kin to Joe Wilson is when Code Pink interupted Bush.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

That's only because they get it now under the same circumstances. The bill does NOT provide service to illegals anymore then the status quo does.

Nor does it specifically prohibit care. Since it is illegal to ask the status from illegal aliens, your so called "argument" falls to pieces.
whats_up

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-11 11:23:45

Is this how you teach your children, if someone does something to you its okay to do something to them? Please point out to me which Dem rep or senator yelled "you lie" during any of Bush's Joint Congressional speechs. I will wait patiently.
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Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-11 11:20:43

That is my understanding of how it is INTENDED to work too, vega, but I think there is a valid point to be made that without an enforcement mechanism, the public option will very likely end up supporting illegals as well.
whats_up

You mean, like the Democrats did by Booing Bush, for which they never apologized?

Decorum works both ways, whats_up.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 11:14:08

Yes they should have apologized and shame on them for their horrible manners and bad decorum, however that doesnt change the fact that this was wrong. I thought you conservatives were all about following the rules, I guess that another lie of the right, color me surprised!
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

The bill actually states plainly against this. And that is what Obama said.

Then you could easily provide the link to the clause that "plainly" specifies this.

Oh, that's right, you're so full of yourself, you never need to do any fucking work.
Mike_M

Exact text of Obama's speech: "The reforms — the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

The reforms include additional spending on health care, which as vega states, can not be prevented from being spent on illegals according to existing law. So Obama's reforms will apply to illegals.

LIAR!!
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I thought you conservatives were all about following the rules, I guess that another lie of the right, color me surprised!

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 11:31:38

And I thought you liberals were all about holding politicians accountable. When will Obama be held responsible for ramming a stimulus bill despite his claims that all bills will be properly vetted?

Color me surprised, NOT!
TheBaud

I thought you conservatives were all about following the rules, I guess that another lie of the right, color me surprised!

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 11:31:38

You are at least consistent, whats_up. Critcize the Right for the very thing the Left does. Democrats pissed on decorum and rules while Bush was in office, now demand it with Obama. But that is not so surprising. I can remember when you had a problem with a President that lied, so much so that you even made up lies to accuse him of. Now, you could care less how often Obama lies as long as he pushs forth your agenda.

If only there was a word to describe such behaviour on your part.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

I thought you conservatives were all about following the rules, I guess that another lie of the right, color me surprised!

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 11:31:38

And I thought you liberals care about the poor and children. Need I say any more?

You have no problem killing children in the name of "social improvement." I'm sure Hitler's fan club has room for you.
RWNReader2

No one in the modern era has done something so child-like during an address by the POTUS.

You are ignorant of the truth.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

No one in the modern era has done something so child-like during an address by the POTUS.

Really? Clinton lied numerous times when he addressed Congress. He even committed purjury.
TheBaud

Just sent to me…

"I would rather have Michael Vick watch my dog than have Barack Obama run my health care."
whats_up

You are ignorant of the truth.

Posted by RWNReader2

2009-09-11 11:52:59

Then by all means please point it out to us, you has yelled at the President during a joint session?
whats_up

You have no problem killing children in the name of "social improvement." I'm sure Hitler's fan club has room for you.

Posted by Kingfisher

2009-09-11 11:51:09

King I dont support the killing of children, I wish it wouldnt happen. However I am against making laws that tell women what they can and cant do with their bodies.
TheBaud

However I am against making laws that tell women what they can and cant do with their bodies.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 12:44:15

That might be a salient point, whats_up, IF it was only the women's body in question. As you are well aware, there is another separate and distinct person involed in the abortion issue, one that rarely survives the 'procedure'. But worry not, if the child does manage to survive, Obama is all for killing it AFTER it is born.
whats_up

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 12:52:02

So should that unborn child have more rights than the mother? I dont think so. No woman should be forced to carry a baby that she doesnt want to, end of story.
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No woman should be forced to carry a baby that she doesnt want to, end of story.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:00:15

No the unborn child should have EQUAL rights as the mother, and that means:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Thus no human should be deprived of life without due process. And NO woman should kill her own child as a matter of convenience, PERIOD!!! No human should kill an unborn child EVER, PERIOD.
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No woman should be forced to carry a baby that she doesnt want to

So the child should not have human rights, and can be murdered mercilessly. Certain people are more equal than others, simply according to how convenient it is to someone on your political side. Got it.

Here's the same good old hint that's given every time this "more rights" horsecrap is stated: no one forced the mother to have the sex required to get pregnant.

Actions -> consequences. Sex -> you carry the damn child. Don't like, don't act irresponsibly.

Feel free to ridicule yourself by attempting to argue, as you usually do at this point, that having consequence-free sex is every woman's "right", i.e. that actions only have consequences if you want to.
TheBaud

No woman should be forced to carry a baby that she doesnt want to, end of story.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 13:00:15

That is far from the end of the story, whats_up. If the woman does not want to carry a child she doesn't want, that decision is made BEFORE engaging in sex. Once another life is involved, her wants and convenience must be balanced against the other life.
whats_up

And NO woman should kill her own child as a matter of convenience.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-11 13:23:14

You're right they shouldnt, but I am not in favor of a law telling a woman what she can and cant do with her body, PERIOD!!
CoolCzech

However I am against making laws that tell women what they can and cant do with their bodies.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 12:44:15

…just as long as they don't do things to their bodies with my freaking tax money, whats_up.
whats_up

But let me ask you, since you brought it up: Would it bother you if illegals WERE covered by nationalized healthcare? WHY?? Isn't your whole line of argument about supposed savings that Emergency Rooms are a huge cost driver? Don't you know illegals abuse the Emergency Rooms more than anyone??

Posted by CoolCzech

2009-09-11 13:29:40

Yes it would bother me, nationalized healthcare should be for citizens, not illegals, thankfully HR 3200 clearly states that illegals wont be covered.
whats_up

…just as long as they don't do things to their bodies with my freaking tax money, whats_up.

Posted by CoolCzech

2009-09-11 13:31:31

Unfortuanatly you dont get a say in where your tax money goes once it is in the govt coffers, I agree that would be nice to be able to do, I can think of many things that I dont want my tax money going to, but thats not how it works.
CoolCzech

"…thankfully HR 3200 clearly states that illegals wont be covered. "

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:32:16

Great. But then… why did the Democrats object so strongly to including measures that would make the ban enforceable??

And yes, I heard the argument of one Democrat that there already are laws that do that, etc., etc., but of course he totally ignored the fact such provisions are already routinely flouted. And besides: just for sh*ts & giggles, why not humor Republicans and out the provisions in the bill even if they ARE supposedly redundant?
CoolCzech

Unfortuanatly you dont get a say in where your tax money goes once it is in the govt coffers, I agree that would be nice to be able to do, I can think of many things that I dont want my tax money going to, but thats not how it works.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:33:33

Au Contraire, whats_up: I and tens of millions of other citizens DO get a say. As you'll find out come November 2010.
whats_up

Au Contraire, whats_up: I and tens of millions of other citizens DO get a say. As you'll find out come November 2010.

Posted by CoolCzech

2009-09-11 13:36:00

Good I encourage everyone to get out and vote in November 2010, that is how this country works and makes it great.
CoolCzech

Regarding the leftist feigned outrage over Wilson's quite reasonable exclamation during Obama's incredibly partisan and divisive speech:

Let's remember it was Obama that effectively called Sarah Palin & the entire Republican Party a Liar.

Let's remember that behind him sat Nancy Pelosi – she of the Party of William "Cold Cash" Jefferson and Charlie Rangel – that once called the entire Republican Party corrupt.

Let's remember Harry Reid, Pelosi's Senate counterpart, that literally called President Bush a Liar.

Let's remember all the liberals that were literally questioning Bush's sanity for not agreeing with them on Iraq.

Let's remember all the Chimpy and Shrub and Bushitler slurs by the Left day in, day out for 8 Long Years.

I think what the Left really wishes for is a Memory Ease button. Sorry it doesn't work that way, guys.
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but I am not in favor of a law telling a woman what she can and cant do with her body, PERIOD!!

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:30:42

And I'm not favor of a law that allows someone to kill an unborn child, EVVERR!!!!!!! Why do the mother's rights trump the childs rights?? The mother CHOSE to have sex that had a chance of creating a child. Once that child was concieved she WAIVED her RIGHTS. If she didn't wnat to be bothered with having a child she should not have gotten pregnant, PERIOD.

And you'd rather let mother have more rights than the child, PERIOD. Which is both legally wrong and morally repugnant.
whats_up

Once that child was concieved she WAIVED her RIGHTS.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-11 13:49:06

No she didnt Wolf, she didnt waive her rights, cmon man you know better than this.
whats_up

And you'd rather let mother have more rights than the child, PERIOD. Which is both legally wrong and morally repugnant.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-11 13:49:06

No I am aruging that the mother has the right over her OWN body and everything that entails, sorry man.
D-Vega

A minor of 12 should not be getting an abortion without parental involvement, as the parent(s) is/are the guardians of such minor. They feed, house and clothe the child, so…

You could make the argument that at 16 it could be considered, but I think only as a matter of emancipation.

Health clinics at schools are a good idea, as this is not something new. Abortion referrals being instituted as the norm are not good ideas.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

No she didnt Wolf, she didnt waive her rights, cmon man you know better than this.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:54:57

YES SHE DID, She allowed that the child to could be conceived, that her body was going to create another living person, and in so doing she granted the right to life of the baby. Since both NOW have EQAUL rights to life, neither can be terminated without due process.

No I am aruging that the mother has the right over her OWN body and everything that entails, sorry man.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:55:49

WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES BODY AND RIGHT TO LIFE, DUMBASS. In order for the mother for the mother to abort she has to violate the rights of the child!!! How f'n hard is it to understand?? THAT IS UNEQAUL PROTECTION!!!!
TheBaud

No I am aruging that the mother has the right over her OWN body and everything that entails, sorry man.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 13:55:49

Fine, she has rights to her own body. But what about the body of the separate and unique person that is her child? She has NO RIGHTS to arbitraily kill THAT body.

Do try to keep up, whats_up.
D-Vega

Sorry, wolf's post got me confused.

That post belongs on the other thread.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Posted by CoolCzech

2009-09-11 13:47:52

CC, you can go even further than that.

- Jack Murtha, Marines, Haditha. Need I say more?

- John Kerry called our troops in Iraq baby killers.

- Harry Reid claimed that Bush lied and said that the Iraq war was over.

That's just for starters.
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Unfortuanatly you dont get a say in where your tax money goes once it is in the govt coffers,

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 13:33:33

I'll remember to send that to George W. Bush. You had a different opinion then.
CoolCzech

And did not Al Gore say Bush "Lied to this country… he played on our fears"?

Where was the Leftist concern with respect for the Office of the Presidency THEN, eh?

Quite honestly – their entire shock, SHOCK! that the Republicans should pick up on their own tactics is nothing but a massive hypocritical lie.
CoolCzech

"- John Kerry called our troops in Iraq baby killers"

Hell, Hanoi John called our troops in Vietnam "the army of Genghis Khan." INCREDIBLY, the Democratic Party nominated him for the Presidency of the United States.

Let that sink in for a minute.
TheBaud

Let that sink in for a minute.

Posted by CoolCzech 2009-09-11 14:17:02

Worse than that, CoolCzech… HE RAN ON HIS WAR RECORD!

"Reporting for duty". Riiiight!
http://Kingfisher Kingfisher

Don't forget that the incident in question in Haditha was ruled out. Murtha is still in office and nobody on the left gives a damn.

So much for integrity.
tblrk2006

No I am aruging that the mother has the right over her OWN body and everything that entails, sorry man.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 13:55:49

Maybe so, but if you dont see the amazing lack of self control that free govt aborions open up….than your blind.
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jimb123

No I am aruging that the mother has the right over her OWN body and everything that entails, sorry man.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 13:55:49

But the child is not her body. It is a unique human. She does not have rights to kill a unique human.
whats_up

WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES BODY AND RIGHT TO LIFE, DUMBASS. In order for the mother for the mother to abort she has to violate the rights of the child!!! How f'n hard is it to understand?? THAT IS UNEQAUL PROTECTION!!!!

Posted by bthewolf

2009-09-11 14:03:03

So instead you will give more rights to the unborn, you will allow him/her to use another humans body against that persons wishes, that is called unequal protection!!!
whats_up

Maybe so, but if you dont see the amazing lack of self control that free govt aborions open up….than your blind.

Posted by tblrk2006

2009-09-11 14:49:26

There is no doubt that this can and does cause problems, the answer is more and better education, not making laws forcing people to do things against their wishes, I thought you were for less govt in our lives, not more.
TheBaud

you will allow him/her to use another humans body against that persons wishes, that is called unequal protection!!!

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 15:18:19

WHAT????

'ALLOW' the baby to use their mother's body? Are you for real?
whats_up

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 15:23:56

Do you not understand how the process works? Maybe that is where your confusion lies.
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Guys, whats_up is a troll. Time to pass on him, his gay nazi self is here to agitate not contribute. He is a sockpuppet of M88tha, nothing more.
TheBaud

Do you not understand how the process works? Maybe that is where your confusion lies.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 15:31:02

Do you understand the concept of implied consent. The mother gave consent for the baby to be in her body the moment she had unprotected sex.

If you think this can all be explained by a woman screwing around, getting pregnant, and then being able to say "I do not give that baby permission to use my body, kill it now", then you are far too stupid to be allowed out unsupervised.

You said earlier that you were not in favor of killing children, yet here you are advocating the deliberate killing of a child for the convenience of the mother.
TheBaud

He is a sockpuppet of M88tha, nothing more.

Posted by Dick_Nixon 2009-09-11 15:34:23

What's a 'M88tha'?
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What's a 'M88tha'?

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 15:37:21

a frequently banned troll here. substitute ar for 88 and it used many varieties of that name. It is also Realpolitik.
TheBaud

a frequently banned troll here. substitute ar for 88 and it used many varieties of that name. It is also Realpolitik.

Posted by Dick_Nixon 2009-09-11 15:46:44

Frequently banned? Ah, how is that possible? Doesn't banned mean gone?

Had my suspicious about Realpolitik. Not ot be taken serious. Thanks for the info!
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So instead you will give more rights to the unborn

You still don't get it, do ya, shithead? We can't give rights to anybody. We already have "certain unalienable rights" when we are created.
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whats_up = idpanicman = crthns.

He's not martha. He's a lazy-ass teacher in Idaho who should be working and not trolling Internet boards during school hours.
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jimg, Nixon is pretty sure they are all tied back to the same individual. But yes, crthns = idpanicman = whats_up are the same person.
whats_up

You said earlier that you were not in favor of killing children, yet here you are advocating the deliberate killing of a child for the convenience of the mother.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 15:35:14

No I am not advocating killing children, I wish the woman wouldnt do it, I would advise her to keep her child, but I would not force her to, that is one of the many differences between you and i, you would force, I would try and educate.
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So instead you will give more rights to the unborn, you will allow him/her to use another humans body against that persons wishes, that is called unequal protection!!!

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 15:18:19

Do you understand the concept of implied consent. The mother gave consent for the baby to be in her body the moment she had unprotected sex.

If you think this can all be explained by a woman screwing around, getting pregnant, and then being able to say "I do not give that baby permission to use my body, kill it now", then you are far too stupid to be allowed out unsupervised.

You said earlier that you were not in favor of killing children, yet here you are advocating the deliberate killing of a child for the convenience of the mother.

Posted by TheBaud

2009-09-11 15:35:14

Thanks Baud for saying what I was trying to say better than I did.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

No I am not advocating killing children, I wish the woman wouldnt do it, I would advise her to keep her child, but I would not force her to, that is one of the many differences between you and i, you would force, I would try and educate.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 16:21:41

OH NO not forcing someone to live with the consequences of their actions, what a horrible thing!!! If you can't handle raising a child DON'T GET PREGNANT!!! Geez WU It's not like she didn't have options from the moment she had sex right up to child birth that all avoid having to raise the child. All of them don't involve KILLING AN IINOCENT PERSON!!!

How about educating her to avoid getting pregnant in the first place.
TheBaud

but I would not force her to, that is one of the many differences between you and i, you would force, I would try and educate.

Posted by whats_up 2009-09-11 16:21:41

No, the difference is that you truly belive that stopping a women from killing her child is forcing her to do something.

What a said and pathetic person you are, whats_up. Why do you hate children so much that you so easily want to kill them?
CoolCzech

Sorry Mike, thats not what the BILL says, I thought you conservatives went by facts, read the bill Mike, read the bill.

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 10:31:37

Read WHAT bill, whats_up?

Has the Senate version been composed yet?

Has Obama produced HIS version of the bill?

And by the way, what the House bill does NOT include most definitely is any enforcement provision that would ensure no illegal could get coverage.

But let me ask you, since you brought it up: Would it bother you if illegals WERE covered by nationalized healthcare? WHY?? Isn’t your whole line of argument about supposed savings that Emergency Rooms are a huge cost driver? Don’t you know illegals abuse the Emergency Rooms more than anyone??
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So instead you will give more rights to the unborn, you will allow him/her to use another humans body against that persons wishes, that is called unequal protection!!!

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 15:18:19

So now you libs oppose the right to live?

No I am not advocating killing children,

Posted by whats_up

2009-09-11 16:21:41

You accepted the story on the other thread about that baby who died. Your first thought was about why you supported socialized medicine. In other words, your first thought was about yourself, not the child.
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No I am not advocating killing children

No, you're advocating withholding medical care from children until they die so the government can save money.

Gosh, that's so much better.
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