5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn’t Be Given American Citizenship

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5 Reasons Illegal Immigrants Shouldn’t Be Given American Citizenship

Written By : John Hawkins

Over the last few months most conservatives have quite naturally been distracted by Barack Obama’s frightening incompetence, his elephantine spending, and his zealous attempts to swallow as much of the private sector as the government beast can stuff down its gaping maw. But while the cat’s away, the mice will play. The little feet you may have been hearing pitter-patter back into the public square? They belong to advocates of amnesty for illegal aliens. Oh, they don’t necessarily call it that. They call it comprehensive immigration reform, earned legalization, a path to citizenship — but, it all amounts to the same thing: rewarding people for breaking our laws.

On behalf of the overwhelming majority of the conservative movement and the American people, let me say, “Not just ‘no,’ but ‘Hell, no’” to giving illegal immigrants American citizenship.

Now, I know what the response to this will be: “You must hate Hispanics!” Actually, it doesn’t matter where the illegals are from; they’re not welcome here. But, but, but…it’ll help the GOP with Hispanics to support amnesty! Tell that to John McCain, who bombed with Hispanics despite being the Republican most associated with amnesty. Well, then you must not want any immigrants in this country! What a despicable argument. Comparing an illegal alien to someone who loves and respects this country enough to come here the right way is like comparing a burglar to an adopted son.

Let me tell you exactly why illegal immigrants shouldn’t be given American citizenship.

1) It will only encourage more illegal immigrants to come here. We’ve already had a “one time only” amnesty deal for illegals. It occurred during the Reagan Administration and the idea was supposed to be that we’d allow the illegals who were here to become citizens and we’d simultaneously beef up security to try to keep the problem from occurring again. Well, guess what? That very bipartisan sounding compromise didn’t work. To the contrary, it failed miserably. So why in the world would anyone who actually wants to stop illegal immigration want to try something that has already been proven to be counterproductive? We have far more illegals in America today than we did when the “one time” amnesty went through. Do we want 20 million illegals here when the next amnesty goes through? 30 million? Are we going to be accused of racism if we say the next huge wave of illegals shouldn’t be given citizenship either? Where does it end?

2) Illegal aliens take jobs from American citizens. The economy stinks. American citizens are out of work. People are going out every day looking for jobs to support their family and they’re coming home empty handed. Meanwhile, there are illegal aliens in this country holding jobs that American citizens would otherwise have. “Oh, but those are jobs Americans won’t do!” There’s no such thing. There’s no job in this country that couldn’t be filled if every illegal disappeared tomorrow — but, here’s the catch: the crooked business owners who are knowingly hiring the illegals might have to pay what the job is worth instead of hiring people who let everyone else pay their health care, pay their car insurance, and pay their share of the taxes.

3) We’re importing poverty. It’s no secret that the majority of illegals are uneducated manual laborers. In fact, that’s supposed to be one of their selling points, isn’t it? Don’t advocates of amnesty say we need illegals to do the dirty, hard, manual labor that “Americans won’t do?” But even if that were true, which it’s not, people with very limited skills often turn into liabilities for a society as they age. There aren’t a lot of people picking oranges and scrubbing floors at fifty years old. In other words, in order to help crooked business owners get cheap labor today, the rest of society has to be burdened with people who are going to cost society far more than they ever pay in taxes. Are American taxpayers so unburdened that we want to actually bring in even more people to carry on their backs?

4) It rewards bad behavior. It’s against the law to enter this country illegally. It’s against the law to buy fake documents or steal someone’s social security number. It’s against the law not to pay your taxes. So after all of that, we’re going to give people citizenship? What message does that send to all the immigrants filling out reams of paperwork, paying out significant chunks of their paychecks, and waiting for years in their home countries to finally achieve their dream of becoming an American citizen? Here’s the message it sends: You’re a chump! This is something you don’t normally have to say to people north of five years old, but it’s not smart to reward bad behavior and punish good behavior.

5) It cheapens and demeans our country. Is this Cuba? Is this Afghanistan? Is this Rwanda? Are we such a garbage dump of a nation that we have to desperately give citizenship to anybody and everybody we can find? Newsflash: This is the greatest nation God has seen fit to raise up in the history of mankind. We can not only have the cream of the crop from other nations; we can ask them to wait in line, obey our laws, and prove themselves — and the ones worth having will do it because this is the place people all over the world dream of coming one day. American citizenship is a precious thing and it shouldn’t be given to people whose first act upon American soil was to violate our laws.

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Jack Schite

John, it’s the employers that encourage illegal immigration without paying any consequences.

Perhaps you’ve been to Mexico as ihave and seen the advertisements in Mexican newspapers for workers in the US.

The republican way is to blame the little guy. Our leaders love it when you hate illegal immigrants because those leaders know your hatred keeps you from understanding we, you, me, immigrants, are really fighting the same battle against corporatocracy.
Mr_e_m_t

The only reason dumbacrats want to give amnesty is to change the demographics of the electoral college.
They are counting on minorities to reward their crooked politics with their votes and thereby keep a super majority in office.
They don’t care what it will do to the crime rate along the border, nor have they considered the open warfare this will cause as it escalates the drug wars in cities already plagued with gangs.
The issue of jobs lost isn’t a consideration to them because they keep their heads in the dirt believing that immigrants only want jobs that non immigrants don’t want.
Not all politicians are aware that immigrants also flood the job market by accepting part time positions at minimum wages and tank the jobs for everyone else.
Jobs that would normally pay skilled laborers decent wages with benefits go to immigrants who take them at part time, while they work two or three other part time jobs all at once. Then politicians cry that its all because “white people don’t want to work these jobs, only immigrants”
Mr_e_m_t

Oh I left out the fact that rich politicians know they can hire cheap yard boys if they give amnesty.
Pelosi needs her some more factory workers for her tuna shop.
http://conservativebootcamp.com martinhale

When he was alive, Caesar Chavez was an outspoken opponent of illegal immigration because of its pronounced effect of suppressing wages in the farm worker labour market. All these years later, the economics are still the same. I’m really surprised that other labour leaders haven’t been more vocal about that issue. Of course, Chavez could pull it off because of his heritage without being called ‘racist’ endlessly.

I’ve advocated for years that the quickest solution to the illegal immigration problem is to vigourously pursue individuals, small and large businesses and corporate executives who engage in repeat hiring of illegals – something like a ‘three strikes’ law. I believe that if a few corporate execs, a few contractors and a few homeowners are forced to do a high-profile perp walk and spend whatever maximum time the law allows in prison for hiring illegals, word will quickly spread that hiring illegals is a risk that one doesn’t want to take. We need to shut down the supply side of the problem in order for the solution to become clear to the illegals and potential illegals. Additionally, recent history has shown that when states and localities enact legislation which requires proof of citizenship above and beyond the Federal I-9 process, there is an immediate wave of self-deportations. We also should be using unmanned aircraft to patrol the borders more efficiently, dispatching teams of agents only when there’s a need to do so.

That said, there is a lot we could do to make our immigration process better. Things like fully staffing our border enforcement agencies and our investigative/enforcement teams charged with finding offenders hiring illegals. Like increasing the numbers of agents who’re charged with investigating the backgrounds of applicants for citizenship. Like figuring out a better means of monitoring people here on visas to make sure they comply with their visa terms.

OT – for me, it’s funny to read Jacqui railing against the ‘corporatocracy’, when he’s bragged about his six-figure salary from a Fortune 500 company. Way to walk the walk, Jacqui. Stay committed to your ideals, baby! We all love the smell of fresh, hot hypocrisy in the morning.
tblrk2006

Posted by Jack Schite
2010-02-23 09:22:07

Nope. Illegal is illegal. It all starts at the border. Our quality of life is better than theirs and we will always see them trying to get here even if jobs arent available. Its better to be unemployed here than there. Secure the border FIRST, AND punish people for hiring illegals, AND lower the corp tax rate here in the USA. We know why you want them here.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

I don’t care who “encourages” them to come or stay here illegally. It’s the responsibility of the Federal government to secure our borders to prevent illegal entry and ensure that legal visitors go home or apply for permission to stay.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Our quality of life is better than theirs

Well, then I guess Obama is really trying to stop illegal immigration by destroying our economy. Good job, Barry!
Mr_e_m_t

I think what Sheriff Joe Arpaio has accomplished in his county demonstrates where the problem is easiest fixed at.
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

I’d be willing to allow the most beneficial and skilled illegals to go back to Mexico and come through the system at an accelerated rate. Doctors, Scientists, Teachers, people who specifically and greatly enhance society and culture and are useful to the country. But they have to go back and come through the system no matter who they are.

What’s needed is for the whole immigration system to be reformed to work better and allow more through while they work on getting illegals out and blocking more of them from coming in.
tblrk2006

I’d be willing to allow the most beneficial and skilled illegals to go back to Mexico and come through the system at an accelerated rate. Doctors, Scientists, Teachers, people who specifically and greatly enhance society and culture and are useful to the country. But they have to go back and come through the system no matter who they are.

What’s needed is for the whole immigration system to be reformed to work better and allow more through while they work on getting illegals out and blocking more of them from coming in.
Posted by Christopher_Taylor
2010-02-23 10:27:47

Id be willing to let their most beneficial and skilled go home and stay there to help make Mexico a better place for mexicans.
StanInTexas

First and foremost, these people are criminals. If they are willing to break the law in one area for selfish reasons, they are willing to break other laws.

Second, the following items should all be done:
1) Make the legal immigration easier, cheaper, and less time-consuming.
2) Target businesses and corporations that knowingly hire illegals, with the emphasis on KNOWINGLY.
3) Allow and insist that the current laws on the books are enforced (ie, law enforcement officers must be able to check immigration status)
4) Any person found to be here illegally gets put back on the other side of the border. Not a plane or bus ride back to their vacation spot of choice, but put out of the country. PERIOD!
5) BORDER SECURITY. Do not let anyone in unless all of their information checks out.
6) Keeps tabs on non-citizens that are in the country legally, and go after those that overstay their time.
Mr_e_m_t

Don’t think you can have 1, and get 2-6… and i really don’t want #1 stan.
I don’t mind people coming in that have family already here, or that need in due to religious/political persecution…
But America has enough issues keeping itself fed with out making an open door for everyone else to come in.

If they want in because they want to live in a free nation where they have the ability to work for prosperity, that is fine, show it by working to get in legally, not by getting it handed to you like yet another government entitlement.
StanInTexas

not by getting it handed to you like yet another government entitlement.
Posted by Mr_e_m_t 2010-02-23 11:33:04

Not what I said or even implied, EMT.

The current immigration system is fraught with corruption, mismanagement, waste, and incompetance. in other words, it is a typical government agency. One of the reasons so many choose to go the illegal route is the treatment they receive when they try to do things legally. Instead, people are punished and held to a higher standard for doing it right, while those that break the law are rewarded.

I am not suggesting an open door policy, but at the same time, people who want to come here legally should not have to wait years while they file the same paperwork over and over again into the incompetant black hole that is out immigration system.
Mike_M

“John, it’s the employers that encourage illegal immigration without paying any consequences.”

Your point, porfavor?

Any commentary on this site has pushed for enforcement against employers just as strongly as against illegals themselves. It always seems to be the liberals up in arms when there’s an immigration sweep at a packing plant or farm and both the employer and employee get busted.

Even so, how does that effect their status? Do you think illegals should be gifted citizenship because an unethical employer gave them a job?

As martin correctly points out, a soft stance on illegal immigration encourages human trafficking and exploitation, not only by employers, but by coyotes, drug dealers, sweatshops, and corrupt government officials on either side of the border.

Being against illegal immigration and for controlled legal immigration is the only ethical stance on the issue.
President_Friedman

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-02-23 11:03:45

I think you make some good points. I also think, in a perfect wolrd, there should be a way for employers to temporarily bring in immigrant workers who may not want to settle and live here permanently, but I think those employers should also assume some responsibility for the actions of those workers while they are here. For example, if a rancher wants to bring up a group of Mexican cowboys to work cattle for a season, he should be able to do so, but if one of those cowboys were to get drunk and drive and hurt someone, the rancher has to stand trial alongside him. Or if someone were to bring in foreign help as a live-in maid, and the help breaks their arm and has to go to the hospital and can’t pay the bill, the bill then goes to whoever was hosting the worker.

I think, by and large, if an employer is willing to pay a wage and a worker is willing to work for it, they should be allowed to proceed, even if the worker is from another country. That’s liberty in action, but only as long as the foreign worker’s presence does not constitute an undue social cost for the community hosting them.
Mr_e_m_t

That’s liberty in action, but only as long as the foreign worker’s presence does not constitute an undue social cost for the community hosting them.

Posted by President_Friedman

So abolish minimum wage?

Oh and as for your ideals about hiring immigrant help and being responsible for them…
They get hurt or get in trouble, guess what would be the first action their boss would do? Fire them and say they were not employed at the time they had the indecent.
Not to mention you would have to totally radically change healthcare and the legal system.
I am not going to expect someone to be responsible for the criminal acts of someone else.
Now we are talking insurance liability and more problems…
No thanks, just keep the trouble out.
Ranchers do fine with seasonal work the way they are doing things and would not stick their necks out for immigrant help.
And Nancy Pelosi needs to wash her own dishes with out importing her help.
President_Friedman

“So abolish minimum wage?”

As enforced by government coersion, yes, absolutely. A nary mentioned fact about our current recession started just months after the new minimum wage laws went into effect in 2007, and they have been incrementally being stepped up since then, a situation which, while not solely responsible, certainly has done nothing but harm unemployment rates.

“They get hurt or get in trouble, guess what would be the first action their boss would do? Fire them and say they were not employed at the time they had the indecent.”

In the case of a worker who is here on a temporary work visa, the employer would have to notify the government immediately if they were to terminate them, which would prevent them from being able to lie about it after the fact.

“Now we are talking insurance liability and more problems…”

Absolutey, it would be something to consider for employers: Do you want to bring in super-cheap help and risk getting caught up in huge liabilities if something goes wrong, or do you want to employ U.S. citizens and deal with the ominous costs and burdens associated with doing so? It would remove a lot of the appeal for hiring foreign workers, while also leaving that option open to employers.

And see, that’s my problem with the current illegal immigrant situation… it’s not so much that they come here (I probably would too in their shoes), it’s that they come here and get a free ride from all our expensive social insurance programs and policies (most of which we can’t afford even without them adding to the financial burden). If you could allow them to be here legally while also cutting them off from that safety net (by making their host responsible for them), I would no longer take issue with their presence here (for the most part). Granted, I can’t speak for anybody else. There are certainly well intentioned consevatives who take issue with the fact that they are willing to work for less money. I hold that it is nobody else’s business what two free people agree to in terms of business compensation, for the same reason it is nobody else’s business who you sleep with, what you read, what you eat, or what church you pray in.
Mike_M

Posted by President_Friedman
2010-02-23 11:57:33

We already have much of this in place with the H-1B visa. Like it or not, much of the argument comes down to class. Few are going to argue about work visas for engineers or scientists, but mention farm hands or laborers and suddenly the answer is to close the borders.
President_Friedman

Posted by Mike_M
2010-02-23 12:51:09

Excellent point. The question is whether or not that is an ethically valid distinguishment to make. I say its not, but I think I’m probably in a minority there.
Mike_M

Posted by President_Friedman
2010-02-23 13:10:38

I’m not going to get into that, but I have observed how broken the system is. I had a friend who was here on a work visa, European, educated, high earning. They put him through hell to get a renewal for him and his family which required flying back to his home country to reapply, delays, uncooperative bureaucrats, etc.

The whole episode was utterly ridiculous and very expensive, and that was with his sponsor company picking up some of the tab. And these were people that loved this country, followed all the rules, and were probably on track to apply for citizenship. It’s no wonder that immigrants of lesser education and means find it easier to just bypass the system entirely and take their chances.
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

Id be willing to let their most beneficial and skilled go home and stay there to help make Mexico a better place for Mexicans.

That would be even more ideal, if somehow that place could be changed from being such a backward corrupt hell hole. Given good leadership and a culture of hard working, virtuous people, Mexico could be a world power instead of a dirt pit.
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salvygirl95

i agree %100 if they really want to be in America to have a better life they would go through the citizen handbook process…and if they have any reasons why they cant come over here because their wanted or they have a bad record then why should they be allowed to be here?!..their just going to cause more problems..especially economic problems
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