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Four Reasons There Shouldn’t Be a Mosque at Ground Zero

Written By : John Hawkins

There’s a time and a place for everything. For example, there may be nothing wrong with building a museum of Japanese military history, but would the place for that be Pearl Harbor? How about our First Amendment right to speak out — that’s important, isn’t it? So does that mean it’s supposed to be okay for the God hates f*gs crackpots to protest at funerals? How about burning an American flag? Know how the US Flag Code suggests you get rid of a flag?

The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

However, if you take that same flag, drag it on the ground, stomp on it, and burn it at a protest, the act of burning it takes on a very different meaning, doesn’t it?

That brings us to September 11, 2001. Radical Muslim terrorists, who used their faith to justify murdering Americans, killed almost 3,000 people and knocked the World Trade Center down. Fast forward to the present day, less than ten years later, and believe it or not, there’s actually an acrimonious debate about whether or not a mega-mosque overlooking Ground Zero will be built. Let me tell you why we should not be doing that.

1) Radical Muslims knocked the World Trade Center down in the name of Islam. For other Muslims to try to benefit from that act by building a mosque on that spot is insensitive, disgusting, and utterly vile. Not only will many of the family members of the people who died on 9/11 be grossly offended, this in-your-face mosque will provoke volcanic levels of anger around the country. If you spent a billion dollars to promote loathing, dislike, and disgust with the Muslim faith, you probably couldn’t accomplish more than building this mosque will.

2) Traditionally, Islam has built mosques on historical sites as a sign of conquest. Look at the Hagia Sophia in Turkey, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and the Great Mosque of Cordoba in Spain. In every case, Muslims built mosques on those spots to send a message: “We conquered you, took your holy site, and now it belongs to us.” That is the exact same message that building this mosque is supposed to send. In fact, just in case you missed what they’re trying to do, they’re naming it Cordoba House just to make sure no one can be confused.

3) The people involved with putting this project together can claim that they’re “moderates,” but they know that around the world, building this mosque will be considered the greatest victory for radical Islam since 9/11. Yes, Osama Bin Laden will be cheering. Radical Muslims will be handing out sweets in the streets, just like they did after 9/11. The people who hate our country with every fiber of their being will be heartened by this incredible “victory” over America. Is that the message we want to send to our enemies?

4) Europe has had an extremely difficult time assimilating Muslims into Western culture. Although percentage-wise, Muslims may make up a small part of the population, they often get away with behaving almost like an oppressive majority. Sharia and polygamy have become the law of the land in parts of Britain. Non-Muslim women in part of Amsterdam have started wearing veils for protection. Belgian police officers have been told not to drink coffee in public during Ramadan. In France, Muslim violence, riots, and car burnings are just considered to be a part of life.

You may say, “That can’t happen here.” Setting aside the fact that is most assuredly exactly what most of the residents of all the aforementioned nations once thought, it has already started here. Newspapers are afraid to show Danish cartoons of Muhammad. Comedy Central, which is planning a whole show dedicated to mocking Jesus, refuses to show Muhammad’s image on South Park.

Even as the people building the mega-mosque at Ground Zero are remorselessly taking advantage of the American people’s desire to be tolerant to get support for their project, what they’re doing fits in perfectly with the sort of backwards, uncivilized, and anti-social behavior that Muslims have tried to force on Western culture in Europe. If we continue to allow political correctness to prevent us from standing up for what’s right for our country, we will pay a price in freedom, civilization, and human decency that we may never get back.

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baoxian

New York is reaping what its own liberal government has sown. Ground Zero is still a cratered construction site 9 years later because of corruption, political correctness, and simple laziness. The city and state governments have been more worried about salty food and raising taxes than 9/11. They're going to be laying off police and firefighters while they're chauferred around in private limos with bodyguards.

If the site had been rebuilt and was again a thriving city center, nobody would be talking about the mosque down the street. Instead it's going to be built and will overlook New York's monument to failure. The people ought to be pissed off…then do something about it at the ballot box.

D-Vega

The biggest obstacle to building at Ground Zero was Silverstein Partners, the private company that had to have input and was making more money by leaving the lot empty than building there.

baoxian

Yeah, the Port Authority keeps demanding Silverstein cough up more and more money while the city chases away all his tennants with skyrocketing taxes. See, private businesses actually have to make money, and can't just force people to pay taxes. But what would you know about that, being a liberal?

D-Vega

Silverstein was making lease payments, which is what he was required to do. He also wanted to get twice the insurance ($9 billion) and instead got $4.5 billion, most of which is already gone, and now he wants public financing for one of the buildings. None of this stuff has anthing to do with taxes. Sorry.

baoxian

Right, difficulties in construction and real estate have nothing to do with the 1.5 million NY residents that have left the state with $4.5 billion in tax revenue between 2000-2008.

Just blame the Jew, and demand more power and money for the government, liberal.
D-Vega

I don't know the guy's religion, wolf. And I don't care.

The fact is that Silverstein Partners was the biggest obstacle to getting work done at Ground Zero. The Port Authority is incompetent, but Silverstein could have started long ago, as he is the lessee.

I didn't say anything about more power or money from the gov't. Silverstein is the one who now wants tax payers to foot the bill for construction while he holds a 99 year lease.

StanW

D-Vega and whats_up to post here screeching “It's NOT a Mosque, It's NOT a Mosque, It's NOT a Mosque, It's NOT a Mosque!” in 5… 4… 3… 2…

D-Vega

It's not a mosque and it's not at Ground Zero, Stan the Fan.

StanW

It IS a mosque and it overlooks Ground Zero, Vega the Prick!

D-Vega

It's not a mosque. And being that it “overlooks” Ground Zero (even though it doesn't. You can't see either building from the other building) than that means IT'S NOT AT GROUND ZERO.

Been reading your Pamela Gellar notes again?

StanW

There is a Mosque on the top floor, Vega. IT IS A MOSQUE. And it will still be a Mosque the next time you lie and say it is not.
D-Vega

Wait, first you said it's a mosque. Now you are saying there will be a mosque on the top floor.

Which is it?

And what are they doing with the rest of the 50K sf? Please tell, since you are so knowledgable on the subject.
StanW

If you have a recrecation hall and classrooms in a church, IT IS STILL A CHURCH.

You have claimed it was a recreation center with NO RELIGIOUS spaces. It tooks weeks for you to finally admit that there was a mosque there, but that did not make the whole building a mosque.

The building will have many purposes, but it is a mosque, a holy site to Muslims. So stop parsing words, Vega. Everyone here already knows you are lying!
D-Vega

And just because a school or hospital has a chapel, it doesn't make them churches.

The would be a community center and have a prayer space. Mostly due to the fact that there is prayer overflow, I would assume on Fridays especially, from the original mosque that is ONE BLOCK AWAY.

This is a fear campaign, plain and simple. Osama Bin Laden is giggling at the useful idiots who are fomenting hatred for no reason other than religion.
StanW

A prayer space? A chapel? It is the entire top floor, Vega. And on the building designs, it is called A MOSQUE.

So tell me something, since you seem to know all about how Muslims think, is an entire building that contains a Mosque holy ground to them, or is it just the part of the building where they hold the service?
D-Vega

The part of the building, as Muslims in college used there student club space as a prayer space. Used the bathrooms to clean there feet, and used the student life building auditorium to pray in.

You don't know what you are talking about, Stan. As usual.
StanW

Using a “student club space” or a hallway or a closet to pray is one thing. To designate a space for only one purpose and to call it a Mosque (as the Mulsims have done with this building) is another thing entirely.

Your ignorance on this subject is deliberate, Vega.
D-Vega

Using a “student club space” or a hallway or a closet to pray is one thing. To designate a space for only one purpose and to call it a Mosque (as the Mulsims have done with this building) is another thing entirely.

It's the same exact thing. The students had a designated space for prayer.

Your ignorance on this subject is deliberate, Vega.

Tell me something then, Stan. Think for yourself and provide some education on the matter, instead of drinking the anti-muslim kool-aid.

A mosque is simply a prayer space. This facility will have all sorts of activitities, plus a prayer space.

PLUS, you have yet to address the fact that this is a supplement to the original mosque ONE BLOCK WAY. Address this point. Because if you object to a “mosque” at Ground Zero, there's been one there since 9/12/01.
Christopher_Taylor

Islam defines that as a mosque. In any case, that's really a semantic argument, whether it is technically a mosque by your definition or not doesn't make it okay to build there.
D-Vega

True. The real point is that even if it were a mosque that didn't allow any other faiths, they would still have the right to build it. And I would support it, because I am an American patriot.

whats_up

So its not at Ground Zero but overlooking it, so you lied when you said the mosque was going to be at ground zero. Get your facts straight STanly

StanW

So, are you finnaly off the idea that this isn't a Mosque, crthns? Or do you plan on joining Vega in that everlasting lie?

And how close does it have to be to Ground Zero for you? This building was hit with a piece of the plane that crashed into the WTC. But I guess no other buildings in the area were affected except for the WTC. Amazing how the definition of Ground Zeros changes, depending on your politics.

Perhaps we shoudl ask the families of the victims of 9/11 where THEY consider Ground Zero to be, crthns. Would that be alright with you?
D-Vega

So you admit the rightwing meme about this being a mosque AT Ground Zero is horseshit.

Thank you.
StanW

All I admitted is that you lie as a matter of course. It IS a mosque and it IS at Ground Zero.

Come back when you are able to tell the truth!
D-Vega

Simple question, Stan. What to you is Ground Zero?

Anywhere you don't want muslims?
whats_up

Stanley,

It really doesnt matter since it is a private organization exercising their rights to build on private property. Unless you want the govt to step in and tell private citizens that they cant build on their own property, is that what you are advocating Stan?
StanW

Still unable to admit you lied. Imagine my surprise.

Christopher_Taylor

I'm not sure how you define Ground Zero here, it was damaged by the planes and the terrorist attack and its near WTC.

D-Vega

It is not Ground Zero, meaning the World Trade Center and no adjacent blocks. You have to walk north two blocks and east one block.What is ground zero to you?

RBC217

Mr Hawkins, your premise is utterly wrong and your opposition to the mosque is badly misplaced. Your premise is that all Muslims are essentially the same as those who attacked the World Trade Center – that all Muslims are in some way in the same class as the radical jihadist types. That's absolutely wrong, as anyone ( apparently not you) who knows anything about the Muslim community in this country would know.

Lumping all Muslims together with the extreme radicals is like lumping all Christians together with the fanatics who murder abortion clinic doctors – or lumping all Christians together with – your example Mr Hawkins – the “God hates fags” bunch.

I went to the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq ( he was the nephew of a good friend) and the crazies from the Kansas church showed up – and mortally offended the mourners. But no one suggested that because the crazies purport to be Christian, that other Christians should not attend the funeral. But that is exactly what you are saying. You are saying that ordinary, everyday, decent, moderate Muslims cannot build a mosque near Ground Zero because crazy violent radical Muslims crashed airplanes into the World Trade Center.

That's one inch – one very short inch – short of outright religious bigotry and, Mr Hawkins, you should br ashamed of yourself for it. Conservatives are not bigots, not real conservatives anyway.

StanW

In the case of both the Abortion Doctor killings and the Kansas based cult, it is clear that those people are operating outside the dictates of the Christian Bible, the teaching of Jesus, and the faith they lyingly claim. Those to groups have been repudiated by Christians all over this country. In fact, I would be shocked if you could find any church or denomination that supports either of them.

The same cannot be said for the 9/11 hijackers. There actions were based upon their holy book and had widespread support from Muslims the world over, even Muslims in this country!

This mosque is a slap in the face of the victim of 9/11, and the families of many of those victims marched in New York recently to express that. If the people building this mosque wanted peace, they would select another site to satisfy the wished of the victims families. You remember them, they are the people the Left insists have “absolute moral authority”!

D-Vega

Yes, the “slap in the face” meme. Which only means someone feelings are hurt.

And the rightwing didn't give a crap about 9/11 families when it was politically viable. Now, you mock liberal support for them and exploit them at the same time.

The right wing exploiting 9/11 once again. Shocker.

StanW

The familes of the victims of 9/11, as well as the families of military personnel killed in the war had “absolute moral authority” when they pust your leftist anti-American agenda. Now that some of those same people don;t want a Mosque at Ground Zeros, you cast them aside.

Funny how you claim that New Yorkers want this Mosqu, yet then denegrate the New Yorkers that oppose it.

Hypocrite!

D-Vega

Who said they have “absolute moral authority”, Stan? Not me, certainly.

They have a right to speak, and to be heard. But not to over-rule something that is legal and moral.
StanW

The Left said it, Vega. Don't start your bullshit of ascribing to the Right every word said by everyone, then falling back on the “*I* never said that” when we are discussion your side of the political aisle.
D-Vega

“The left said it”? Who was that?

Is that like when the right said a terrorist attack would help McCain win?

NO ONE said the 9/11 families were the absolute moral authority. They are a group of people who are listened to because they lost family in a national attack. But again, they cannot force something that not only would not be legal or Constitutional, but also play right into the dogma of the radical muslims.
StanW

Ok, fine. You want to play pissy little word games, Vega?

D-Vega – “The Right said THIS and the Right said THAT”.
StanW – “Well, what about when the Left said THIS?”
D-Vega – “*I* never said that!”

You are a child, Vega. You debate like a child and you act like a child.

The Mosque at Ground Zero is an abomination and should not exist.
D-Vega

What words games? NO ONE said 9/11 families had absolute moral authority. Whereas SOMEONE DID say a terrorist attack would help McCain.

The Mosque at Ground Zero is an abomination and should not exist.

You should feel fine then. Because there will not be a mosque at Ground Zero.
StanW

OK, you are going to lie no matter what, so I'll not waste my time further on the mosque.

Cindy Sheehan was said to have “absolute moral authority” on the war, because her son was killed. The Jersey Girls were said to have “absolute moral authority” because their husbands were killed in 9/11.

They had that authority because they supported anti-American leftist causes. Now the words and feelings of the 9/11 families are meaningless to you and your ilk because they go against your hate-filled wishes.

So be happy, Vega. Join in with the Muslims while they piss on the graves of those killed in the attack. Perhaps they'll kill you last!
D-Vega

OK, you are going to lie no matter what, so I'll not waste my time further on the mosque.

Nothing that I have said is a lie, Stan.

Cindy Sheehan was said to have “absolute moral authority” on the war, because her son was killed. The Jersey Girls were said to have “absolute moral authority” because their husbands were killed in 9/11.

I don't know who said that, Stan. No one said either had absolute moral authority, so stop using quotes. Those are your words, because now you are exploiting 9/11 and the victims via hatred of muslims.

They had that authority because they supported anti-American leftist causes. Now the words and feelings of the 9/11 families are meaningless to you and your ilk because they go against your hate-filled wishes.

I didn't say they were meaningless. I said they have the right to speak and be heard. On the contrary, it was the right who dismissed them, said they “never saw someone enjoying their husbands deaths so much” (Ann Coulter). And then are now exploiting them to promote fear of muslims.

So be happy, Vega. Join in with the Muslims while they piss on the graves of those killed in the attack. Perhaps they'll kill you last!

Ah, finally the “piss on the graves” meme. I knew someone had to use it.

This doesn't piss on the graves of 9/11 victims. The rightwing in this country wants everything both ways.

They say they are for equality, but then support laws that ethnically profile, as in Arizona, and are prejudiced and bigoted when it comes to Islam.

They say they are for deciding things on facts and not emotion, and then the entire basis for this objection is all emotion, and no facts.

They say they support freedom of religion, and then say a mosque is unacceptable and that Islam is a pagan religion.

It's horseshit. The very people behind this protest couldn't give a shit about NY or Ground Zero or the victims of 9/11.

They only care about opposing Islam in all forms. To promote hatred and fear to the populace. And people eat it up because it's so much easier to hate and fear something.

Pathetic. Thanks goodness New York has more class and dignity and won't give in to this propaganda.
StanW

OK, this is the last post I'll make to you on this subject Vega, because your retread lies are boring me.
1) You say we don't care about the 9/11 families, when it is the 9/11 families that are saying this mosque should not be built. YOU LIE!
2) You say AGAIN that the Arizona law profiles Hispanics, when there is language in the bill that forbids and prohibits profiling. YOU LIE!
3) We do not oppose Islam in all forms. We have said from the beginning that we don't oppose the building of a Mosque, just not at that location. And again YOU LIE!

Learn to tell the truth, Vega.
D-Vega

OK, this is the last post I'll make to you on this subject Vega, because your retread lies are boring me.

Considering you have yet to refute squat of anything I have said, then I can't see how you can call anything I've said a lie.

1) You say we don't care about the 9/11 families, when it is the 9/11 families that are saying this mosque should not be built. YOU LIE!

Of course you don't care. Let's say if the 9/11 families DID want to allow this mosque to be built, would that affect your position? Of course it wouldn't. Because you are only using them to exploit the hatred of muslims. It just so happens that their position coincides with yours.

2) You say AGAIN that the Arizona law profiles Hispanics, when there is language in the bill that forbids and prohibits profiling. YOU LIE!

It states it prohibits profiling and then in practice, and in development, is directly targetting Hispanics. That is profiling.

3) We do not oppose Islam in all forms. We have said from the beginning that we don't oppose the building of a Mosque, just not at that location. And again YOU LIE!

Bullshit. Let's cite Mr. Hawkins' own words:
Even as the people building the mega-mosque at Ground Zero are remorselessly taking advantage of the American people's desire to be tolerant to get support for their project, what they're doing fits in perfectly with the sort of backwards, uncivilized, and anti-social behavior that Muslims have tried to force on Western culture in Europe. If we continue to allow political correctness to prevent us from standing up for what's right for our country, we will pay a price in freedom, civilization, and human decency that we may never get back.

This is an indictment of the entire religion.

And don't pretend that everyone here is dense and narrow-minded that they haven't seen again and again and again posters on this site denouncing the entire religion of Islam.

This is about opposing Islam, period. If it's not then explain to me why people like yourself have a problem with this building and not an actual mosque being exactly ONE BLOCK OVER.

No one has addressed this because everyone here knows that this is nothing more than more faux bandwagon outrage from the right. “Piss on the graves”, “slap in the face”, etc.

When really the wingnuts have no idea of the facts or the ethics involved in this, they just want to oppose anything muslim.

Look at the signs and comments at the rally where 1,000 people showed up. Nothing about embracing muslims, just not at this particular site. Just abject hate. To the point where they were intimidating Egyptian men because they were obviously muslim, right?

That is horseshit. In New York, we respect those who respect us. And these guys have done nothing wrong.

Learn to tell the truth, Vega.
Lovekraft1

You are scurrilous. An agent of decrepit logic and mischief.

Because I have a hunch that you select which positions to take, in order to advance your cause. Have you set out to post rational opposition to issues such as late-trimester abortion, gun rights etc?

Or is it that you are advancing your cause, wearing down opposition to sharia-ization of the West?

This issue and your attention to detail in supporting the mosque speaks to your priorities. How many Churches and Synagogues have been built in the hearts of the Middle East on such a grand scale as the Cordoba house?
D-Vega

I am the Lizard King.
TheDickNixon

Hi Charles! How is the declining views at your blog LGF?

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Shut up hoggo, nobody cares what you think!

D-Vega

RBC really made the main point here.

Overall Mr. Hawkins is conflating multiple issues, which is the standard M.O. for the rightwing. First and foremost, the “mosque” is not at Ground Zero.

a) Radical Muslims knocked the World Trade Center down in the name of Islam. For other Muslims to try to benefit from that act by building a mosque on that spot is insensitive, disgusting, and utterly vile.

What the muslims here are doing is trying to build a bridge between the two faiths. It would allow all peoples in and have a memorial to 9/11 victims while at the same time denouncing the act. Again, these are not radical muslims.

b) “We conquered you, took your holy site, and now it belongs to us.” That is the exact same message that building this mosque is supposed to send.

That's absurd. Considering first that this building wouldn't be at Ground Zero, you would have to consider also that there have been mosques in Manhattan for a very long time. The Imam at this mosque has been an imam in Tribeca for more than 20 years. Lastly, they haven't conquered a damn thing. Has New York been overrun with muslims? Have we pulled support from Israel? Troops from AfPak and Iraq?

Muslims, if anything, have taken a step backwards in America since 9/11 politically and socially. This “mosque” would only make an attempt to better the relationship between the West and East. And serve as an example to the world. Which is what leaders do, set an example.

c) The people involved with putting this project together can claim that they're “moderates,” but they know that around the world, building this mosque will be considered the greatest victory for radical Islam since 9/11. Yes, Osama Bin Laden will be cheering. Radical Muslims will be handing out sweets in the streets, just like they did after 9/11. The people who hate our country with every fiber of their being will be heartened by this incredible “victory” over America. Is that the message we want to send to our enemies?

This is even more absurd. These muslims would be killed just like we would, because they are engaging the enemy as equals. Not preaching hate. Are westernized. Are allowing non-muslims into the building. Radical muslims around the world will despise this place being built.

Actually, what the radicals want and what the rightwing want are one and the same. They what America to treat muslims like second-class citizens just because they are muslims. They want this building to be denied.

If you were a radical, would you want America to allow this building to go on? An example that America is not at war with the Islamic world? Or would you want America to demonstrate their hatred, mistrust and alienation of the muslim world?

d) You may say, “That can't happen here.” Setting aside the fact that is most assuredly exactly what most of the residents of all the aforementioned nations once thought, it has already started here.

This is really irrelevant regarding this topic. American muslims have assimilated into America quite well actually. Some would say better than the Hispanics, since the Hispanics can live more in a bubble than Muslims, which can come from multiple countries with multiple cultures so they cannot cluster.

Secondly, in order for your point to be valid, you would have to support not allowing mosques, period, in America. Since you are implying that there is creeping sharia, then that would mean that it would creep whether it's in lower Manhattan or Brooklyn or Michigan.

e) If we continue to allow political correctness to prevent us from standing up for what's right for our country, we will pay a price in freedom, civilization, and human decency that we may never get back.

Then of course we have the doomsday implication. This is not about political correctness (even though it is political correct). This is something that is legally correct. Morally correct. And Constitutionally correct. There is no lack of decency here, unless you are making up some sort of imaginary radius that you are allowed to build a mosque in Manhattan.

The reasons listed above amount to nothing more than that we should be afraid and angry and sensitive. The same “correctness” you are denouncing, you are guilty of. You are simply stoking fear and anger over something that in America is one of our fundamental rights. The freedom to practice religion and expression. There is no other reason why this is being opposed except because of anger towards muslims.

Christopher_Taylor

What the muslims here are doing is trying to build a bridge between the two faiths.

That's what they say, but then their previous statements put this to lie and the name of the mosque strongly draws that into question. Why you choose to believe their latest statements said while trying to fool people I can only guess at.

Considering first that this building wouldn't be at Ground Zero, you would have to consider also that there have been mosques in Manhattan for a very long time.

Building a new mosque in an area just hit by a jihadist Muslim attack is completely different from one that has been in the area for years, and you know full well this is true. Why are you even trying this pathetic argument, unless its just something you picked up at a leftist site and are repeating without thought?

Lastly, they haven't conquered a damn thing.

The symbolism of their attack and the Mosque being built at the site is plain to everyone, unless their eyes are blinded by mindless PC reactionism.

This is even more absurd. These muslims would be killed just like we would, because they are engaging the enemy as equals.</I.

I'm having a hard time imagining you being this stupid and ignorant of history, especially as John clearly laid out previous Muslim activity. Building this structure right where the greatest Muslim attack on America in history took place is counting coup, it is a huge triumph… for our enemies. Since this thing is going to be put up, you will see the celebrations around the world by them and know you either were deliberately lying through your teeth or incredibly naive here, at best. The only question is whether you'll have the stones to admit it.

Thinking that either conservatives or radical Muslims want them to be treated as second class citizens is so offensively ignorant I can only presume you are being deliberate provocative, as you baldly admitted in the past you do here. This is also known as “trolling.”

Secondly, in order for your point to be valid, you would have to support not allowing mosques, period, in America.

Just in places where it isn't an obvious monument to celebrate Muslim victory over America – so baldly obvious only someone deliberately blind could miss the point.

This is something that is legally correct. Morally correct. And Constitutionally correct. There is no lack of decency here, unless you are making up some sort of imaginary radius that you are allowed to build a mosque in Manhattan.

Every community has the right and recognized authority to decide what can and cannot be built in given areas. That's a basic legal understanding predating the discovery of America by Europeans, in English Common Law. If you want to argue morals, then your position gets even weaker.

Morally these men shouldn't even consider attempting such a construction in the area. If they had a shred of decency they'd build it somewhere else, which they're free to do without any controversy. Their insistence on building this structure in this place is immoral, and your support of it is reprehensible.

D-Vega

Also, what really shoots this nonsense to crap is that this Iman, a Sufi Muslim, has been an Imam at a mosque ONE BLOCK AWAY (245 Broadway, NY, NY) from this building (45 Park Place, NY, NY).

Google Map it yourself and see. If this is a “mosque at ground zero” then there's been a mosque there for more than 20 years.

Christopher_Taylor

I'm sure if you thought about it long enough you'd work out the difference between an existing building before the attack and building an entirely new one.

Apparently you didn't bother reading… or are simply ignoring as inconvenient… the repeated jihadist statements by the Imam in charge.

I wonder why that is, to be honest.

D-Vega

Seen them, CT. I also did thorough research on his past twenty years of service in NYC. And this is a good man. The kind of muslim we need on our side.

Your side is acting like school children.

Yes, there has been a mosque only a block away and it is an important point to make.

Why? Because this “mosque” is not on Ground Zero. There have been mosques all over for years. There is no designated radius where a mosque is not allowed.

Now, if this mosque was ON Ground Zero (meaning truthfully and not rightwing horseshit) then I would have a problem with it.

But if this Imam needs a supplemental space near his other mosque, and he has done it legally, then it is morally right to not only allow it, but to support it.

http://doubleplusundead.mee.nu AliceH

I'm all for building a mosque there. It will be a wonderful place for angry mourners to go after 9/11 services to…grieve.
TheDickNixon

Nixon notices that no one has brought up the fact that islam is a false, pagan religion. A 7th century death cult if you will.
Mr. EMT

Redacted:
Of course it is a horrendous idea.
And i am absolutely for it.

The level of outrage America has with the treatment muslims have for their neighbors is not high enough. Nor is the level of outrage over what liberals are doing to America.
Letting islam defecate over ground made holy with the blood of over 3,000 innocents they caused has been long in coming.
If the threat and intimidation islam is doing by building a mosque doesnt galvanize New Yorkers to have some backbone, they asked for every bit of it.