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The Descent of Little Green Footballs

Written By : John Hawkins

Despite the fact that I never got the impression that Charles Johnson was a conservative, there was a time when Little Green Footballs was amongst the biggest and the best of the conservative blogs.

After 9/11, Charles Johnson started covering the radical Islam beat. He didn’t do a lot of commentary, but he was an excellent researcher, was very quick, and he put out a lot of material. Even before the Rathergate story – which, along with Power Line, he was instrumental in breaking – LGF was must-read material.

But eventually, something started to change. There are people who have followed the descent of Little Green Footballs more closely than I have who could give you an excellent timeline, but I’m just going to talk about it as I perceived it happening.

At first, I noticed that Charles Johnson was getting into feuds with the other anti-radical Islam websites. Early on, as far as I could tell, it was all Charles attacking websites like Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch, and Gates of Vienna over these European political parties that they supported because they were anti-radical Islam.

At the time, I didn’t know who was right and who was wrong. In fact, I still don’t because Charles’ arguments were all very “Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon.” Some European political party I had never heard of was terrible because it had a high ranking member that I had never heard of who freely associated with some other people who were REALLY BAD that I never heard of and — all these bloggers were terrible, horrible, awful racists and fascists for liking these political parties.

Eventually, the bloggers Charles was picking fights with started firing back at him and I started to notice that Charles had a huge beef with Christians. At one point, I looked over at LGF and noticed that literally half the posts on his front page were edged pieces about creationism. This struck me as extremely odd given that creationism wasn’t a hot topic at the time. You could read through 30-40 blogs, not read one word about creationism, and get to LGF and there were 10 posts about it.

This, I found to be a very troubling sign. There are certainly plenty of atheists and agnostics who are good conservatives. However, inevitably in my experience, when you have someone who has a huge beef with Christians, they turn to the Left. That’s exactly how it happened with Andrew Sullivan and John Cole from Balloon Juice and it’s how it happened with Charles, too.

Around that same time, I was hearing incessant complaining about Charles kicking people out of his comment section for flimsy reasons. In fact, there are multiple bloggers from Right Wing News who have been banned from the comment section at LGF. Now, as someone who seldom thinks twice about banning people from my comment section, you wouldn’t think this would be much of an attention-grabber. However, it was because in the past, LGF’s comment section was notorious for being completely out-of-control. Liberal websites constantly — and unfairly — took wild comments from LGF and treated them as if they were representative of what Charles Johnson thought. Now, Charles Johnson was banning people for disagreeing with him?

Anyway, back in May, one of the bloggers at RWN, Lee Doren, wrote a post called Why in the World Was I Banned from Little Green Footballs?. It closed, like so:

So, I know this is a long post, but I think I understand the rules of LGF now:

1) Don’t ever support Ron Paul’s economic policies, even if you don’t support Ron Paul;

2) Don’t ever support Glenn Beck;

3) Don’t ever support Michele Bachmann;

4) Don’t ever support someone who believes in Creationism even if you yourself believe in Evolution; and

5) Don’t ever question Charles even if you supported him for 2 years.

You will be banned

I knew that if Charles noticed that post, he wouldn’t be happy with it. But, it lined up with what I had been hearing from other people and I believe in giving bloggers who write at RWN a lot of leeway to say what they think and very seldom do I ask them to change things (Exceptions: Obama/Hitler comparisons, etc). So, I decided to leave it up.

Well, Charles did catch wind of it, he was unhappy about it, and he wrote to voice his displeasure. When he did, despite the fact that I don’t know Charles that well, I took the opportunity to try to respectfully point out to him the direction that he was going in. Out of respect for Charles, I am not going to post his replies (Nothing I said seemed to faze him or give him pause in the slightest), but I do want to post what I said in that email because it’s very relevant:

I really don’t think he’s trying to smear you — he’s somebody who likes you and appreciates your website, but who feels like he got unfairly banned. To be honest, I’ve been hearing similar stories all over the place lately.

Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I think I need to give it a shot anyway: I have tremendous respect for you and what you’ve accomplished. I think you’re a blogging pioneer. What you did with Rathergate was outstanding and you’ve been the premier anti-radical Islam blogger on the Right for a long time. What you’ve done is very important.

That being said, I realize it may be a little tough for you, who I perceive as being very near the center, to come to terms with having a very conservative fan base.

However, the problem I think you are setting yourself up for — and I say this with great respect — is that you are making it very clear that most conservatives aren’t welcome on your website anymore.

For example, I think of myself as a mainstream conservative. I’ve been one of the loudest people in denouncing conspiracy theories. I’ve attacked racist organizations. I ripped Ron Paul up one side and down the other when he was running for the GOP nomination. I’m a Christian, but I don’t think I try to slam it down anyone’s throat.

However, I went to the local Tea Party, thought it was great, would note that it wasn’t run by the Ron Paul crowd, and look forward to going to more. I believe intraspecies evolution occurs, but not
interspecies evolution. I like Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, and although I don’t agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things, I don’t think he’s wrong about everything or a horrible person. I also like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and while I don’t agree with them on everything, I think they’re decent people trying to stand up and do the Right thing. These are not particularly controversial positions on the Right.

Point being: I get the feeling that even someone like me isn’t welcome at LGF anymore. It’s not just me either. When your name comes up amongst other conservative bloggers — people tend to think you’re going Andrew Sullivan on us and in a year, you will be just another anti-conservative blog.

What I am trying to get across here, as someone who respects you and thinks you have done very good and very important work, is that you should think about where this is going to ultimately lead one day. You have a lot of friends on the Right who have stood behind you over the last few years. It’s probably not too late to mend fences with them. If that’s not the direction you’re going in, are you trying to change over to a left-wing anti-Islam blog? Could that even work? An anti-religion blog? An anti-conservative blog?

I throw that out there, not because I am trying to tell you what to do, but because whether you realize it or not, your blog has been going in a radical new direction and I hope you’re thinking about where it’s going to end up. I understand that you have to follow your conscience and do what you think is best, but at a certain point, you have to realize you’re shoving many of the conservatives who’ve been fans of your work away from you, not vice-versa.

Sorry if you think it was presumptuous for me to write something like this, but I think it needed to be said.

PS: If you want to talk about this some more, let me know.

PS #2: Feel free to show this to any of your conservative friends to get a 2nd opinion, print it, whatever.

Fast forward to the present day. The number of anti-radical Islam posts on LGF’s front page? 1. The rest are ripping on birthers, creationism, the tea parties, conservative bloggers, etc.

While I would note that I am no fan of birthers and think that people who bring racist and/or “Obama is Hitler” signs to a tea party are morons, it’s also worth noting that the content on LGF is functionally little different than you would find on any liberal blog. They hate conservative bloggers. He hates conservative bloggers. They hate Christians. He hates Christians. They hate the tea parties; he hates the tea parties. If you took the names off of everything and put the content of LGF in with 9 liberal blogs, I seriously doubt that the average person from the netroots could tell the difference. There’s not even much of that pesky anti-radical Islam content to get in the way any more. That’s just an afterthought on what used to be the best anti-radical Islam blog on the planet.

What happened to Charles Johnson? I don’t know. I think he has always been a little to the left-of-center and maybe because of that, he was never really comfortable with his almost universally conservative compatriots in the fight against radical Islam. Then, as the economy went in the toilet, the Dems rose to prominence, and the war on terror became less of an issue, he started to become much more outspoken about what he really thought.

Whatever the case may be, I would have preferred not to say anything about it. However, after his incessant smearing of other conservatives, his willingness to be used by the Left, and the vicious way he has treated a lot of people who don’t deserve it, I thought it was time to speak up. Maybe it doesn’t matter at this point, because from the numbers I have seen — he still has a big audience — but, it looks like about 75% of his former readers have already voted with their feet and stopped reading his website. In a sense, that’s too bad. Charles Johnson had something great going on with Little Green Footballs. He was making a difference in the fight against radical Islam. He was making a difference in American politics — and you can ask Dan Rather about that — but now, he’s just left-of-center attack blog #854. What a waste.

Corperate_Cabana

Charles Johnson sounds more like a 'Fair Weather' douche than a try-and-true ideologue. To the point, a guy who really doesn't believe in what he says: the worst form of conformist. He feels he has to change in order to keep his blog up and running and relevant

LGF was in my bookmarks for about a year starting with Rathergate, and I can't say what made me stop reading it.

Maybe it was his carping over 'death threats' made against him every other post from CAIR (whether it can be proven or not….well, he's still alive).

Maybe because his writing style is drier than rye bread toasted.

Maybe he realized he was not going to become the big cock of the Right even after he teamed with Powerline to reveal Rathergate. Some folks get that chip on their shoulder and instead of having get knocked off, that chip shrinks so much people don't even bother with knocking it off. We've seen it all before, in every medium: Johnson just did not become the next Rush, or Hannity, or Beck, or Malkin or Couture or Krauthammer.
http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

John,

Ace of AOSHQ has had some posts and run ins with Charles. A couple of times some of the Lizards got into it with the Morons (these are their terms for themselves) on AOS regarding these issues. Charles seems to be virulently against any Christian references, creationism, and definitely is anti conservative. He reminds Nixon of Andi Sullivan in a way, as they were both single issue "conservatives", Charles was anti jihad and Andi was pro Iraq War until the whole gay-same sex marriage issue, plus his steroid and drug usage, pushed him over the edge.

RWN, AOS, and LGF were my three blogs Nixon read daily for a VERY long time. Now, it is AOS, Gateway Pundit and RWN. LGF has degenerated into a hate site, just like Ko$, HuffPO, and Democratic Underground.

You and Jim at GP seem to be doing the yeomans work on the right. You both have serial trolls that speak the exact same things (almost like it is organized, which it is).

It is a shame that a intelligent pasionate defender of the US like Charles is now auditioning for blogger in chief for the Administration. A loss it is, if you will.
http://quantum-kitty.blogspot.com/ simulacre

I used to enjoy LGF too, now I stick to RWN, AoS, RedState, AT and TH. I comment the most here since I've been here the longest and am familiar with the regular posters.
http://www.allthatisnecessary.com jjmurphy

Chalk me up as another person who read LGF everyday for a long time when I first started reading blogs. Then he got into this tussle with GoV and seemed to go completely bonkers. Haven't read LGF in a long time. Too bad.

Your letter to him was very good. I doubt he will take it to heart.
http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

I know I have been banned, simply for asking a simple question. Nowadays, I treat Little Green Goofballs just like I do Andrew Sullivan, the Democratic Underground, Crooks and Liars, and other similar sites, as ways to highlight Progressive insanity.

There isn't a day that goes by over the past 9-10 months, minimum, where one couldn't find something wacky to take him to task for.

Notice, after O'Bambi won the election, Chucky changed his banner graphic to not include the moonbat and jihadi.

Charles is also now attacking Gateway Pundit, calling Jim Hoft a "borderline illiterate bigot." He has banned any mention of Pajamas Media, deletes any comment that mentions them, and has a script running that will disallow any linking out to PJM, saying that they are now "promoting white supremacists as featured writers."

Charles has always been a Progressive, but, after 9/11, he was a Bush supporter and anti-jihad guy. With Obama, all that has gone out the window, and, as I wrote in a post at my site, it is sad that Charles Johnson is more insane than Andrew Sullivan and Markos Moulitas.

I'm glad John did this post. There have been many times I have wanted to cross-post something similar, but, held off, not wanting to get John in a pissing match with Excitable Chuck, or, as he is known by R.S. Mccain, Mad King Charles.
Mike_M

I was familiar with LGF for its part in Rathergate, but the site made little sense to me otherwise. Liberals hated it because it was anti-terrorist, conservatives were put off because it was anti-religion, yet it didn't exude the typical qualities of libertarian blogs either.

It's no coincidence however, that both LGF and Sullivan veered left around the same time that the Democrats and liberal organizing groups began dumping huge amounts of cash into the blogosphere.

I recently dropped off the mailing listof freepress.org, which billed itself as a site to promote free and responsible journalism, and started as a polling site to critique the 2008 debates. Then I got a screeching email demanding I boycott Glenn Beck because of his dustup with Van Jones. Yes a "pro-media" website was demanding I boycott and attack a member of the media because of his disagreement with a member of the government! It took me as long as I needed to write a sarcastic email and hit the unsubscribe button to bail on them.
Markus

Unfortunately, after the dust-up with Mr. Spencer over the European socialist party, that was "IMO" the moment that Charles reverted LGF to the pre-9/11 LGF.

As noted, he's always been a progressive, he even admitted that more than a few times during RatherGate, but he was anti-Islam.

But when he went after Mr. Spencer for his "Ties" with some European national party (that I had never even heard of), it seemed like he turned his entire site into a gotcha-site for conservative blogs, christians, and a few other individuals

But yes, much like a few others that I enjoyed reading, a few of them turned into a far-left style posting (Johns' already named msot of them that I've read and lost interest in because of where they redirected themselves).
riteguy

Oddly, many were banned for no reason at all. I am one of them. I made a comment in full agreement with Chas and the rest of the "choir", and all was ok for months. Then, one day I couldn't log in, getting the message that I was blocked. After hearing what others were saying, I realized it was true. You could get banned for nothing! It was as if Charles just got off on randomly banning people.

No worries, I was long sick of his petty feuds with great conservative bloggers, and virulently anti-Christian stance. Charles is no conservative. He's a lefty who momrntarily came to his senses the day after 9/11. The last 8 years have given him time to "reconsider" former leanings.
magicalpat

Count me as one who noticed as well. However, I am a big fan of his link viewer, so, I changed my book mark to go directly to that page thereby avoiding the dozens of posts on creationism, etc..
annademo

I questioned him on something in May 2009 and was summarily banned. He's no longer a blogger I read and I'm fine with that.
http://www.2008news.com jimg

You know when someone like a James Lileks – who used to be a regular at LGF, and a likable guy – publicly states he's no longer a fan, it's a sign you've gone off the rails.

Like others here, I used to read LGF daily. And then occasionally. Then simply through my RSS feed. Now? Removed bookmark and unsubscribed the feed.

Plenty of other things to read and do.
smelvertising

At first, I bought his side of the facts that Spencer had gone off the mark with his relationship to questionable European parties, although I could understand his pragmatism ("as long as you are fighting against jihad I am with you, and not an inch beyond").

Then a "summary" of the controversy popped up, and openly claimed that Spencer's position was that a Catholic jihad could never, ever ever happen – while ridiculing the notion because of centuries-old canards (which, given how badly christianity is slammed today, I am beginning to suspect are far overinflated from reality – that, with such immense power and corruption, the Church failed to retake the Middle East is pretty curious to say the least).

Of course, "cannot happen" is never, and has never been Spencer's position – just a credible, justifiable belief that to do something similar to what Islam does day in and day out, the Bible and related documents must be heavily misinterpreted, whereas justifications and incitement to terrorism appears plain as day in even the most superficial readings of the Koran.

And let's not even get to creationism. I believe Chuck finds bashing creationists to be equally as necessary and pressing as he thought bashing jihadis was a few years ago.

I'd also add that this does nothing to quell my suspicion that atheists and agnostics will never really make good conservatives, but hopefully that's a problem I won't have to deal with in my lifetime.
D-Vega

Interesting discussion.

I tried to be a member of LGF years ago, but I was not allowed because I was a liberal. Meanwhile, they allowed virulent hate-speech about liberals in the comments sections.
genki

Nice Post John. I, too, like so many others, apparently, became very disappointed in LGF. I visited the site 'religiously' for years. It was my first stop every day on a trip around the blogosphere. I'd check it throughout the day. I always felt that I could count on Charles to set the record straight on some breaking news spewed by the state-run media.

But, you know the rest of the story. Little, by little green footballs, Charles seemed to care less and less about what was going on in the world, unless it brushed against one of his many obsessions. I wasn't banned, just mocked for merely raising the occasional eyebrow. I went from stopping by his site three or more times a day, to once or twice a week, to once a month, till no more. I kept hoping it was a phase of sorts, but whenever I would check back, it was the same snarky business. What was once the best right of center blog, turned into a giant Charles head-trip. Why torture myself.

I have no idea what caused his shift in perspective, and don't really care. We all have our own demons and pet peeves. His are no deeper or more profound than any other person's. I'm sure he will feel at home with what is left of his legion of loyal fans, but this fan can no longer stomach the company. I do, however, thank him for the many years of good entertainment and work and wish him well.

But, for me, to my mind, there is a real world with real and deadly problems, and my time is better spent with blogs that take such matters seriously, rather than a blog that seems to think that if only the whole world would just bow down before a statue of Charles Darwin, ride a bicycle, play guitar, listen to jazz, hate Atlas and Spencer and tea partiers and conservatives, everything would be as dreamy as a little green football. If we could just be as rational, brilliant, and cool as Charles Johnson. Um, no thanks.
RWNReader2

Haven't followed LGF much, and never posted there. Innocently came across a post on LGF about creationism one day, and thought I might have had a useful "middle of the road" perspective. But, as I scanned the comments to make sure I wasn't just repeating something, it became obvious that there was absolutely no room for even my position. The only choices were (1) I'm stupid and deserves a slow painful death for ever thinking the word creationism, or (2) I will forfeit all I have and lay down my life in the cause of destroying creationists.

Haven't been back.
Bildo

Posted by Bill_Dalasio

2009-09-17 14:04:47

"…I can't help but place Mr. Johnson's sudden shift to the left at almost the exact same time as the implosion of Pajamas Media."

I was thinking the exact same thing. His business enterprise failed, so much like a failing politician, he switched sides thinking that was the problem.

LGF was an amazing website dealing with extremist enemies of the West. Unlike his haters on the Left, I never once thought of LFG as an anti-Islam website. It was always an anti-Islamist website. A few years ago, I just gave up on it though. I'm thoroughly agnostic, but preaching hatred against somebody's religion seems as extremist as the religious radicals that he portends to warn against.

I don't know if I've been banned or not. I lost that bookmark a long time ago.
Bill_Dalasio

What happened to Charles Johnson? I don’t know.

Mr. Hawkins,

It pains me to say this, because, like you, I’ve had great respect for Mr. Johnson’s work over the years. However, I can’t help but place Mr. Johnson’s sudden shift to the left at almost the exact same time as the implosion of Pajamas Media. At this point, I can’t find a reason to discount the possibility that, having witnessed the collapse of his plans to become a conservative new media mogul, Mr. Johnson decided there were greener pastures on the left.
Mike_M

“I was long sick of his petty feuds with great conservative bloggers, and virulently anti-Christian stance.”
Anti-christian is accurate. The Young Earth Creationism (the brand that preaches a 6000 year old earth) that is a favorite target of the left is a fringe view in Christianity, and not even held by Catholocism.
It also has adherents among similarly fringe elements of Judiasm and Islam, but I have never once seen a liberal attack either of those two religions because of it.
Attacking all creationists as Young Earth Creationists, and all Christians as an extension is a shabby and false rhetorical trick that these people use as cover for their hatred and bigotry.
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aharris

I never read the site except for when my husband would call my attention to something, but my husband says he also noticed the descent.

I have noticed that people who are otherwise reasonable folks can go unhinged on you when they discover that you aren't an atheist or agnostic. They can do that even if the question of faith only came up in passing and not even in reference to them. Not all of them do it, but a disturbing number of them do. I chalk it up to insecurity with their chosen faith.
http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

Meanwhile, they allowed virulent hate-speech about liberals in the comments sections.

Posted by D-Vega

2009-09-17 16:39:33

Nixon never saw hate speech in the threads til lately. What did they say about you and your ilk?
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http://www.danegerus.com/weblog DANEgerus

I too was banned from Little Green footballs for pointing out that Van Jones, using tax-payer dollars and government authority to lead a boycott against Glenn Beck was pretty abusive and borderline Hugo Chavez territory. Van Jones was ultimately tossed under the bus for what he was on the record saying while Glenn Beck was being condemned for daring to point out Barack Hussein Obama hangs around with a lot of racists.

So much for 6 years on LGF.
http://TheNixonTape.Com Dick_Nixon

Posted by DANEgerus

2009-09-17 22:04:06

Did you use the same user name? Nixon thinks he read some of your posts over there while lurking.
apachegunner

ahhhhhh, LGF huh? Count me as a banned item I wrote Chuckie immediately after the banning and told him I'd never go on another anti-LGF blog and diss him. Its good to read thoughts of past lizards who have lost their scales, many of those are the same as mine. When I wrote CJ I told him I had watched his site go from right to left in the exactly the time frame you speak of. What I had noticed, which has not been mentioned, was the swing of his long time regular and favorite lizards, at the same time. I still look over LGF, once or twice a day, watching the metamorphisis of the site from solid right to a left, almost horizontal, lean. Many of those posters are still interesting and I enjoy following them and their changing thoughts. I thoroughly loved my time there with some pretty intelligent people.
D-Vega

Nixon never saw hate speech in the threads til lately. What did they say about you and your ilk?

Typical stuff. We are moonbats. We are anti-American. Nothing that I have not seen on RWN.

The difference is Mr. Hawkins allows for rebut. Even fighting. That's a major difference.

I don't know how its different now. And you are more likely to stumble upon a useful citation on other conservatives sites like HotAir & Ace of Spades before LGF shows up on a Google search.

I did, however, always think that LGF's site is very well designed. They are one of the best looking blogs on the Net today.
D-Vega

Oh, and LGF inadvertently helped RWN big time.

They were one of the main reasons I decided to frequent a blog, especially a conservative one.

They were credited in proofing the RatherGate story, and that made me think that something interesting in happening on these blog things.

I couldn't register there, though. Blogs like "Blogs For Bush" banned me immediately, DU & KOS are just too big, and I finally settled here.

So LGF missed out. They could have had D-Vega posting there.

RWN benefited a great deal.
smelvertising

We are moonbats. We are anti-American. Nothing that I have not seen on RWN.

Nothing that isn't provable, then.

Mr. Hawkins allows for rebut.

Given the quality of said rebuts, sometimes one wonders why. Then again, the best way to make one utterly disgusted with liberalism is to hear an actual liberal talk. When they spare no breath trying to define anyone who disagrees as a racist, have no qualms in plauding the murder of innocent and babies (who they disgustingly refuse to define as such), and their putrescent hatred for their neighbor… there's no lengthy pro-conservative essay that compares, really.

It's just that, after the leftist talking point is demolished and they've shown themselves to be disgusting, sick individuals… they have nothing more to add but "nuh-uh!" and "I didn't say that!". Just about every debate over 100 posts here on RWN ended like that. Liberals don't just have nothing beyond talking points – they are nothing beyond talking points.

RWN benefited a great deal.

This would sound sarcastic, except for all the times you've proved yourself to be a pompous douchebag who actually believes he's Obama's gift to mankind, plus the amount of negative dignity you've still got blah blah blah I've explained your predictable method all too many times by now, and that you still stick to it regardless proves point #1 (you're a douche).
D-Vega

A douchebag that you can't avoid, or intimidate, or prevent responses from, or prevent responses to.

You are about as effective as an appendix.

And about as creative as a hairball. All liberals have is "talking points"? You are a walking, breathing talking point. And a poor one at that.

"Vega is no good", "Vega gets no respect". Crying like the little twit you are. As if anyone cares about what you think.

I can make you "stop & go" as I please. Like a Pavlovian dog.

How does it feel to be used and discarded like a condom? Must suck.
canisopus

I find this long, sordid, and bizarre episode in blogdom to be pretty sad. Johnson built something special at a time when it was needed by many Americans who needed to remember that we have something special – something worth appreciating, nurturing, and defending. I, like many others, I imagine, found comfort in going to LGF, and until today, I'd been a member for some years (five and-a-half, actually). Johnson has squandered his integrity and reason for motives beyond my understanding. He's also alienated himself from some really decent people who are good Americans. I really find it sad.

I'm an atheist/agnostic (I don't care which term is used to describe my lack of faith) and a dedicated conservative, by the way. I cherish the Judeo-Christian ethos that has suffused my nation with an invaluable legacy, and it pains me to see it constantly under attack by the "enemies of the permanent things." It does occasionally come to pass, albeit rarely, that a non-believer can love our fine nation, committed to preserving its precious institutions of order, justice, and liberty, and live each day with an abiding spirit of Christian love and ethics.
http://www.lauraechevarria.com Laura_Echevarria

I did visit LGF on occasion but earlier this year when I visited the blog Johnson was ranting about creationism and I thought then that he was alienating a lot of his readers. Conservatives don't all agree on this issue but we don't go after each other on it.

I too am a Christian but I respect the fact that not all conservatives believe the way I do. There are many great people in our circles who have beliefs that differ from mine.
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LightningMan

Well, today I made it semi-official. I removed my Little Green Footballs bookmark from my toolbar. No need to do the dramatic "I'm leaving" post there or "Delete my membership" request to Charles Johnson, although I thought about both. It seems what I would have said to Charles John Hawkins has also said and it appears to have fallen on deaf ears.

I try not to go where I am not wanted and it seems that I am not wanted at Little Green Footballs anymore.

However, due solely to this entry on LGF, Right Wing News has gotten a member. The wheel turns.
bolivar

I used to love to read and comment at LGF but, I was recently "flounced" for saying that LGF was not a fun place to be anymore and that Charles had changed. I said something about sychphants and oh boy did I get savaged by them. Charles used to be a hero of mine that seems to have fallen from grace so to speak. I miss the place but here and Powerline keep my fix going.
debbiesam

He's very self-righteous, a trait of the left that drives me crazy.

He think he's the only ethical guy around, and no one should dare to question him. But he's qjick to jump to conclusions about people without investigating thoroughly. If they deny his charges, he doesn't give them the benefit of the doubt, he just condemns them. A good example is Robert Spencer. Spencer denied that he had any interest in any fascist groups, but CJ wouldn't take him at his word. But how many times have I seen on LGF comments blasting someone for not taking CJ at his word. Also — when Van Jones actually signed his name to a Truther petition (and didn't deny it), CJ rushed to his defense. How weird is that?
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pst314

"I was recently 'flounced'…"

Which tells you something about Charles. His practice of deleting critical comments and replacing them with "another flounced off" or "flounce off little…" is further evidence that Charles is a creepily malicious person. (I won't say man because real men don't behave with such shocking immaturity.)
rogervzv

I thought it was just me. I was never one of LGF's registered users, but I did used to log in and check it out regularly, and the LGF link had a favored spot on my Firefox link bar. No more. I became alienated from LGF by the relentless Christian-bashing on the site. Endless travails against Creationists (I am not a creationist, by the way) and rants against other conservatives. Who needs it? I bailed about 6 months ago and have not revisited LGF since.
Safari_Man

I just came from LGF which I occasionally peek at. At one time there was a fair amount of anti-Bill Ayers (and other Obama cohorts) sentiment there. I saw an article that claims Bill Ayers had written Obama's "Dreams…" and thought I'd go check LGF to see what they said about this. First, I found no mention of Ayers anywhere on the front page and, second, all I saw was anti-Beck and anti-Palin, and pro Global Warming blurbs. A while back I went to LGF to see what they thought about the Obama birth certificate question and that was when I first noticed the swerve to the left. But today, I had to check the url to make sure I was on the right site.

I viewed a few of the comments and almost all were terse, ad hominem, echo-chamber comments that sounded like they were pure sycophants hoping to curry favor with Charles. So I googled for "little green footballs turns left" and ended up here. I must say, the comments on this page are all beautifully written and refreshing to read (modulo the dustup between 'vega and smelv').

So I registered and here I am. This could be the start of a good thing for me. BTW, I was never able to register with LGF. Just as well as I really didn't fit in over there at any point. The feel of this site seems right to me (pun unintended).
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