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This Will Be The GOP’s Best Chance To Reach Black Americans For A Generation

Written By : John Hawkins

That title runs directly counter to conventional wisdom, doesn’t it? After all, the Democrats just elected a black President who has a 90% approval rating with black Americans. Moreover, the false cries of racism are ever present these days. So how in the world could this be the GOP’s best chance in a generation to reach black Americans?

Simple answer to that question: Human nature.

One of the little oddities that you pick up from being a history buff is that surprisingly, great social movements often don’t occur when the people are relentlessly oppressed. They simply don’t have the energy to pursue it then. They also don’t come when the population is fat and happy. Ideas may be formulated then, but people are usually not restless enough to get on the bandwagon.

Instead, great social movements tend to catch fire after people start to have hope for the future and then come to feel like that hope has been thwarted or at least isn’t coming fast enough. Two examples: The Soviet Union collapsed AFTER they began to reform. Then there’s the civil rights movement in America, which came about after positive changes had started occurring, but didn’t seem to be moving fast enough.

That brings us to Barack Obama.

There’s a reason Barack Obama has a 90% approval rate with black Americans. They’re looking at him like Jackie Robinson, Jack Johnson, or Rosa Parks. In other words, Barack Obama isn’t just another President; to many black Americans he’s a stand-in for them and his success or failure reflects on them personally. This is problematic because Barack Obama has been an utter disaster as President. He’s a complete idiot who can barely find his own behind with both hands. It’s like Jackie Robinson made it to the majors and turned out to be the worst player in the league.

So, that puts many black Americans in a tough spot: They objectively know Obama’s doing a terrible job. They know he’s not even helping the black community. They may not even personally like him. However, they’re afraid to say that because they fear that other Americans will judge them by Barack Obama’s performance. So, no matter how poorly Obama does, many black Americans feel compelled to support him.

This is what presents Republicans with an opportunity because it gives us a chance to present black Americans with an alternate vision: Barack Obama’s failure isn’t representative of black Americans; it’s representative of how the liberal policies of the Democratic Party have failed black Americans.

There’s a wealth of evidence that this is the case. Democrats have done very little for black Americans in the last 50 years. They’ve systematically broken down the black family and treated self-serving parasites like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as representative leaders. They’ve turned a blind eye to crime, encouraged dependency, and have treated black Americans like they owe the Democratic Party their votes just because of the color of their skin.

Of course, Republicans have pointed these things out many times before and have gotten nowhere. This time, however, things are different. Michael Steele is the RNC Chair. We’re going to have black Republicans in Congress again after this election. Black conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder have become prominent voices in the GOP — and, most importantly, Barack Obama is proving that the liberalism of the Democratic Party is a destructive dead end for black Americans.

If the GOP would actually stop talking about reaching out to black Americans and would actually start reaching out to black Americans, we could potentially make more progress in the next decade than we have in the last fifty years. If Barack Obama continues to be a failure, there’s going to be a tremendous opportunity for conservatives to reach out to the black community. Let’s hope we take advantage of it.

Kusak25

“So, that puts many black Americans in a tough spot: They objectively know Obama’s doing a terrible job. They know he’s not even helping the black community. They may not even personally like him. However, they’re afraid to say that because they fear that other Americans will judge them by Barack Obama’s performance. So, no matter how poorly Obama does, many black Americans feel compelled to support him.”

I don’t know if that’s entirely accurate. I live in a highly (>90%) black community, and just about every time politics comes up with neighbors, people on the bus, etc., most people seem to me to be very, very ill-informed. A lot of people just assume he is doing a good job and haven’t paid attention over the last 2 years.

Anonymous

Precisely.

I see it, too. Black folks supporting him without really understanding the stakes or the depth of the situation. Sorry to say, John, but the Dems have a stranglehold on them. The black community needs to figure this out for themselves. They’re too entrenched and beholden to misguided beliefs about the GOP to break free.

Anonymous

I agree. The bulk of the blame Fox and blame Bush is designed to influence folks who only barely track the news and those that *want* to believe it rather than face reality. I think black support fits into one of the two categories.

Good Ol Boy

Okay, that is just eerie, Mr. Hawkins… I had this same conversation with one of my black friends on Thurs. night last week. The misplaced loyalty to Obama, the references to Jackie Robinson and Rosa Parks, pointing out the liberals/Democrats’ failure towards black America, all of it.
I don’t know, but this bit of synergy might be an indication that it really is time to free black America from the Dems’ plantaion.
j4140

But when the GOP has reached out (and it has), often it is met with a slap on the wrist. Both sides have to be a little open minded.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

“It’s the economy stupid”.

http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/2008/04/27/income-inequality-democratic-vs-republican-administrations/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Race

Until that is changed, Republicans won’t get the African-American vote. They may have not advanced many policies for African-Americans, but African-Americans have done better under Democrats.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

And for anyone arguing for Republican control of Congress:

http://i.imgur.com/Tt8qs.png

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Sure thing Dippy, but of course the growth of income says nothing about how much of that income is confiscated by the government at the same to more than offset that income growth.

But keep up the bleating like a good little sheeple, Dippy. I know it makes you feel good.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Sure thing Dippy.

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/historical-federal-tax-rates-by-income-group.html
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Sure thing Dippy.

http://www.mymoneyblog.com/historical-federal-tax-rates-by-income-group.html

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

And Dippy how does that correlate specifically to the graph in question? As in what years were dems in charge all three, and what were the tax rates? Your first graph doesn’t say what years those events happened. And your second graph doesn’t cover the same time frames as your first so they there is no way to see how the correlate.

Keep trying, Dippy, partisan sniping will save you yet.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

The first graph is an aggregation of income growth over the last 50 years. Helps if you read the chart title.

The second graph was in response to you talking about income being confiscated. You do know when Republicans and Democrats were in office right? Now look at the tax rates on each quartile to understand what income was confiscated under what administration, and how that would affect their income growth.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Yes Dippy, I know but doesn’t say when each segment actually held that position, like when were Dems in charge of only the House. One can’t compare both graphs without knowing which specific years each growth segment occurred.

“You do know when Republicans and Democrats were in office right? Now look at the tax rates on each quartile to understand what income was confiscated under what administration, and how that would affect their income growth.”

See Dippy the problem is I don’t know, neither do you as compared to your first graph specifically. So there is no frame of reference for comparing the two with out rebuilding both graphs from the original data for each.

For someone who supposedly works/studies in the sciences you’re pitifully ignorant of the significance of correlating data to prove your point. One graph has no date specific data, the other doesn’t have party specific data, and so can’t accurately be compared to prove/disprove your point.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

The references are listed there if you want to do your own study. But you’re essentially hoping to disprove it by having all the growth in years that income tax rate was high or some economic cycle made it so Republicans didn’t achieve as well. As the historical tax rates have shown, the lower 40% have had relatively steady rates, and the 40-80% have had rates slightly increase from 80-2000.

Here’s the party in power information for you, just to show that this is not an isolated incident either. Democrats have achieved this growth for the lower classes for many years.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Hmmm Danny this graph has a problem: http://i.imgur.com/Tt8qs.png When a Democrat President has a Rep House and Senate, the data doesn’t match it’s corresponding opposite!!! According to the chart if Dem is Pres, Income growth for the 20th percentile should be 1.8% but for Rep and House & Senate the table says growth .6%. How can that be?? And the same is true with Rep Pres And Dem House/Senate! And all other combinations except All of either house.

We either have misleading conclusions, flawed analysis, or just pile of crap. So tell us which is it?

I’ve tried to graph the data myself, but with bad data I can only conclude, you’re full of crap.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Or you’re just dumb.

It won’t match. Republican House doesn’t correspond to Democrat Senate/President. It corresponds to every year that Republicans had control of the house, which would be Republican House/Democrat Senate/President, Republican House/Senate/Democrat President, Republican House/Senate/President.
StanW

It is amazing to hear Liberals whine about Republican Control of Congress. For your ignorant information, Republicans had a bare majority during the years you site, unlike the Democrats having a filibuster-proof majority for the last two years.

Now, when Republicans had the slight majority and blocking their agenda was fairly easy for the Democrats, then it was all Republican all the time. If a problem didn;t get solved, it was the Republicans. If something occured, it was the Republicans.

But for the last two years, Democrats have had a super majority. Every Republcian vote would not be enough to stop anything they wanted to push. So who is at fault now for the problems of this nation? Why, THE REPUBLICANS, of course. that’s who you and your ilk blame FOR EVERYTHING.

You are pathetic, Danny!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Feel free to compare the number of times filibuster was invoked in the last 30 years to the times it was invoked in the last two.

Then come talk about super majorities.
StanW

Filibuster? You LOVED the filibuster when your party was in the minority. Now that it isn’t, the filibuster is a problem?

You could not be more of a hypocrite if you tried, Danny.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloture_Voting,_United_States_Senate,_1947_to_2008.svg

Hmm, Republicans in control from 1995 till 2007, cloture votes decline. After that, they shoot up. So either Republicans don’t invoke cloture, or they face less filibusters.
StanW

If you hate the filibuster so much, Danny, then write your CongressCritter and tell then to remove it. They are in power and they can do that.

But they won’t because they know that when they are not in power any longer, that they will use it. And you will saw NOTHING about it.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Dippy that was NOT made clear by the graph. And with your assumption then the data can’t be translated across the other graphs since we don’t know what specific years this growth occurred.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Maybe you should take some courses in probability and statistics, so everything doesn’t have to be spelled out for you in a graph.

Oh wait, that’s part of STEM. Why would a right winger like you be interested in that? Self-evident axioms are the key to victory!

Anonymous

To win over the black vote or at least break the dems monopoly isn’t going to be easy. We’re talking about generations of deeply ingrained propaganda and lies that need to be overcome. And in the case of Obama large amounts of black racism.
RWNReader

Not in your lifetime. This is the sick kind of collective self-delusion you’re up against:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-09-29/news/white-america-has-lost-its-mind/
D-Vega

Every few months or so Mr. Hawkins posts about how the GOP needs to reach out to Black Americans.

And then the comments procede to blame blacks for not coming around.

Michael Steele ain’t going to do it, sorry. And Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder have been around for a long time.

You have to think about what policies would you support that would help black community. Not exclusively help, but specifically help. Like charter schools, for example.

This type of post is simply self-indulgent. You can talk all day about having to reach out to blacks, but until you actually do you are just blowing smoke.

You can blame them for it if you like, too. But I wonder how that is supposed to bring them onboard.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

But it’s all collective self-delusion!

The most telling example is how up in arms people were to provide mortgage help, bailout the auto industry, or try to start a green tech revolution in this country, but they weren’t straight up rioting when Wall Street was gifted money that returned them to providing bonuses greater than most people make in a lifetime.

There’s also just a general set of belief conflicts. That somehow Fannie and Freddie were to blame for their burden on the American economy, but Wall Street was a victim of the CRA. The recession was the Democratic Congress’s fault, but the growth seen under Clinton was a result of Reagan. That attempting to replacing the leadership of a country has accomplished nothing other than killing young americans, making us less safe and putting Castro and the Taliban in power.

Yes, everyone that doesn’t believe in policies that led to this is delusional, a leftist, a traitor, or an imbecile.
RWNReader

As usual, you are exactly wrong. Looking for policies that would “help the black community” only feeds the notion that the black community is entitled to its eternal victimhood. As Bush said, you are feeding the ‘soft bigotry of low expectations’ and having more and more black role models like Steele, Sowell, Williams et. al. show that it’s okay to stand arm-in-arm with a white man against the racist black establishment is the ONLY way it will change.

That’s because the only thing that will change it is to start treating blacks with the same expectations as the rest of us. The “black community” should be ridiculed and damned for allowing the racist filth of the sort in the article I linked (along with the filth preached from the likes of Obama’s former mentor/pastor) to be uttered in its midst. Until the ‘black community’ stands up and says that it’s wrong, unacceptable, racist, and morally objectionable to do that sort of stuff (and self segregate in the process), the situation will never improve.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Why is he wrong? You vote for policies that would help the white community. You vote for policies that are in your best interest. What policies would you put forward that would be in the black community’s best interest?

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Here’s the problem with your perspective: you think things that help whites somehow reach a barrier and are utterly of no use to help blacks. Like reality bends around identity groups and that which helps one does nothing for any other. Which isn’t just absurd, its childishly idiotic.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

No. He’s saying, what policies would you put forward that are in their best interest? You mention school vouchers above, that is not in their best interest. Policies that promote job growth in urban environments would be in their best interest, and the interest of whites.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

School vouchers aren’t in whose best interest? From what I can see they’re in everybody’s best interest. So that parents can decide what education will best grow their students rather than a series of bureaucrats at the local, state, and federal level.
D-Vega

School vouchers don’t do that. Vouchers are simply a backdoor way in to privatizing public schools.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

…you seem to have vouchers confused for… honestly I can’t imagine what, but you’re really confused here.
D-Vega

You do know what vouchers are? Where does those public funds go? Into private schools, slowly starving the public system. What you need is truly public schools, with more independence and flexibility.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

How exactly does that privatize public schools? It doesn’t, Vega. It introduces pressure and competition for schools to actually get better instead of whine for more money.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No vouchers are way to get kids educated. If the public schools were worthy of the all money we spend, no one graduate with less than a 3.5 GPA and be ready for college or a trade.

And privatizing the public schools might be the solution. But Dems aren’t willing to give up that much control and money, right?
D-Vega

I am educated. So are millions and millions of people who have graduated from public schools.

And Dems don’t control the public school system.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

“And Dems don’t control the public school system.”

No they control the funding, which is what I said. Especially since they control Congress and many state houses.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

That sounds great. Most families will get to choose between a public school that is only getting 90% of its previous funding and… well, they only have one choice.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

No they have plenty of choice, but it can take sacrifice. You just choose to believe that only government can provide Education. And that we should all be happy to pay taxes to do it.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Just because you have cable tv, a cell phone, and a car to cut out of your expenses doesn’t mean everyone does. Go tell the family taking the bus to work, living in a single bedroom apartment, with barely enough money for food that they need to sacrifice more so they can use the vouchers to send their kid to private school.
StanW

That is so very sad, Danny. Those poor people. I am so sorry that they are not able to use the vouchers for private school for their children.

So if this mythical family you site are not able to take advantage of vouchers, that means TO YOU that no one shoudl be able to use them. No one should be given the opportunity to escape these failing schools.

Typical Liberal Democrat, spread the misery evenly to everyone.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Or give everyone a chance to succeed?

Yes, let’s reduce the quality of education of the children that can’t take advantage of vouchers by further reducing the funding available to them. Sounds like some more right wing hypocrisy, make sure the haves have, and screw everyone else.
StanW

You have stupid that you haven’t even used yet, Danny. Thank you for COMPLETELY missing my point and your own hypocrisy.

You keep bringin up this mythical family that can’t afford food, yet you miss the hundreds of familys that have benefited from vouchers.

But this is the Liberal answer to everything. Unless EVERYONE can do it, then we do NOTHING. So you find one family that cannot use the vouchers, so YOU tell the rest, “Screw you all. You are hostage to this one family. Until they can do you, you are FORBIDDEN”.

Very tolerant of you, Danny.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Or you find that most families cannot use the vouchers and will be negatively impacted, so you don’t advocate vouchers.

Whereas the right wing side is, well a small portion of the population can use the vouchers, so let’s put in vouchers to make sure they have more advantages than the rest of the population, regardless of whether or not it affects the majority of the population.

Keep believing in they mythical jobs fair. Hope the rich trickle down on you some more. Maybe one day you too will be able to stick it to the majority of Americans as well.
StanW

Still unable to come to grips with the cruelity of your position. “We can’t save everyone, so there is not point trying to save any of you. Too bad, but them’s the breaks!”

You put things into place to that people HAVE THE CHANCE at success. It is the PURSUIT of Happiness, not the guarentee of happiness.

I don’t need the rich to trickle down anything to me, as I work and sacrifice for what I have. And even Bill Clinton thinks “trickle-down” economics works, Danny.
StanW

That is so very sad, Danny. Those poor people. I am so sorry that they are not able to use the vouchers for private school for their children.

So if this mythical family you site are not able to take advantage of vouchers, that means TO YOU that no one shoudl be able to use them. No one should be given the opportunity to escape these failing schools.

Typical Liberal Democrat, spread the misery evenly to everyone.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

There are so few of those families raising kids in this country as to be negligible. And there is always something that can be sacrificed. There’s also aid and scholarships available.

Get off the classism, Danny, it’s all about desire and will. If you want it bad enough you’ll make it happen. I have been there and seen it happen, so quit telling us it can’t be done.

And as kids leave to private schools student teacher ratios drop in the public school which will hopefully help those kids to learn.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

You have been there and seen it happen because altruistic people put in place an infrastructure that produced these opportunities.

Good work trying to take away those opportunities for future generations!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

You have been there and seen it happen because altruistic people put in place an infrastructure that produced these opportunities.

Good work trying to take away those opportunities for future generations!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

That sounds great. Most families will get to choose between a public school that is only getting 90% of its previous funding and… well, they only have one choice.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

He’s saying? I responded to you, assuming your one person.

In any case, your argument seems to be that people have to target specific identity groups instead of Americans as a whole. Tax cuts and greater liberty helps us all, as JFK noted: a rising tide lifts all boats.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Unless you’re the person standing in the water.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

And no one is except you’re mythical family of 12 in a one bedroom apartment, with no cable, no cell phones, and 1 job to support them all.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

If you think that’s mythical, you need to crawl out from under your rock.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

If you think that’s mythical, you need to crawl out from under your rock.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Sad, but I guess you had to try to offer something right? Its okay to just say “you’re right” or “maybe I should think about this a while,” you know. It shows maturity.

D-Vega

So you will keep on blaming them, and then wonder why “outreach” (which doesn’t happen), doesn’t work.

RWNReader

I’m not ‘blaming’ anyone for anything – I’ve simply cited facts and provided a link (which you conveniently ignore). YOU are the one causing harm, via your soft bigotry of low expectations. I am simply deciding to hold EVERYONE to the same standard. How exactly is there anything wrong with that?

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You have to think about what policies would you support that would help black community. Not exclusively help, but specifically help. Like charter schools, for example.

You mean like school vouchers and enterprise zones, both GOP ideas that would greatly help poor blacks? Like business tax cuts and reduced regulation which would help blacks by creating jobs and opportunity?

That kind of thing? The kind of thing which Republicans have been pushing for over thirty years? The kind of thing which Democrats always oppose, demonize, and tell blacks would be bad for them?

That kind of thing?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

School vouchers? Really?

You do realize that school vouchers mean that most children will still attend public school, they will just do so at less well funded public schools. The children able to attend private school will do so at less cost now.

StanW

CT, you are wasting you time trying to argue with this level of ignorance.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Please Stan, explain to me how vouchers are better for the children who can’t afford to spend any money on private schools.
StanW

I was specifically referring to your lie about vouchers, Danny. You know, the class warfare argument that no poor people will use them and the rich will. It is pathetic and an abject lie.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

If the school costs $10,000, your voucher is for $5,000, and you barely have enough money to pay for rent and food, you think you’ll be using the voucher for anything other than public school?

To say that poor people will be able to use them for anything other than schooling covered by the voucher just shows how out of touch you are with people struggling to make ends meet.
StanW

Not everyone can use them, Danny, but that does not mean some can’t. You want to take away anyone’s chance of escaping bad schools just because everyone can’t use the,

And you pathetic lecture is ignored, so keep it to yourself next time.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Actually, you probably don’t realize that. So let me give you a simple example.

Of taxes, $100k goes to public education for 10,000 children, of which, only 9,000 actually go to public school. With vouchers, each child then gets a $10 voucher to use as they wish. Now, only $90k goes to the public school system, and $10k goes to the private school system. You’ve now cut the public education budget by 10%, even more if that voucher is enough to get more parents to now afford the cost of private schooling.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

First off if the schools are taking in money for 10k kids but are only serving 9K there’s a problem with the system. Essentially taxes are being paid for services that someone is not using. That’s not equality under the law, it’s robbery. And why should my tax dollars pay for services I’m not using?

Second of all if the public schools are so good why do kids get sent to private schools at school at all?

And last if public schools weren’t so top heavy in salaries with superintendents making upwards of 7 figures in some districts, maybe they could afford to better educate students.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

But it’s okay for insurance executives to make upwards of 7 figures. Their main job is figuring out how to limit claims, not actually make sure people are healthy. It’s okay for wall street executives to make upwards of 7 figures. Their main job is moving money around and taking a fee. And it’s okay for athletes to make upwards of 7 figures. Their main job is entertaining us.

But a superintendent making upwards of 7 figures? Fire and brimstone, that cannot be tolerated! Their only responsibility is educating the future citizens and leaders of the country.
StanW

All of those are Private Sector jobs, except for the superintendent, which is PUBLIC. So you have no problem with a school district with crumbling schools, decade-old textbook, no classroom supplies, and teachers making poverty-wages; all the while the supposed LEADER makes 7 figures and demands more.

You are AMAZING, Danny!
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Actually, I do have a problem with that. The same as I do when it happens in the private sector.You however, feel that the private sector has its own rules, but if the same situation arises in the public sector, well, someone needs to crucify that leader. How can he possibly use the same justification as the leader in the private sector for his take home pay? Someone needs to take a stand against that. His teachers need to make more, his infrastructure needs an upgrade. There’s no way he can justify that pay as he tries to turn around a bad situation.
StanW

Which is COMPLETELY different than the private sector. They can pay whatever they want. If people don;t like it, they can stop buying the product and stop investing in the company. What do we do when a failing school system pays it’s superintendent 7 figures while there are no textbooks for the classes and the students are failing?

There is a difference between the money a private business uses and tax dollars. If you could grasp that simple concept, you might appear less ignorant!

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You’ve also cut the number of kids going to the public school system. And since public schools have almost universally shown they do a horrible job, perhaps a little competition would be good for them, don’t you think?

The idea that its unfair for parents to get the money they pay into the schooling system back to choose what school they put their kids into is something only a leftist could possibly dream up.

D-Vega

School vouchers are meaningless when it means that most of the kids will not only still be in their crappy schools, but their schools will have even less funding.

That’s why charters are enormously popular, but still, only a small percentage have any hope of getting in.

Enterprise Zones are good, and Harlem has benefited greatly from them.

Blacks know, though, that tax cuts for the wealthy and tax cuts for large corporations have done little to improve the situation for their communities. Tax cuts for small businesses, and enabling small businesses to get much-needed credit, are different.

But to sit there and act that you’ve done everything properly, and the blacks are simply brainwashed is absurd and it’s why the Republican Party continues to suffer from lack of black votes. And now Hispanic votes, too.
D-Vega

School vouchers are meaningless when it means that most of the kids will not only still be in their crappy schools, but their schools will have even less funding.

That’s why charters are enormously popular, but still, only a small percentage have any hope of getting in.

Enterprise Zones are good, and Harlem has benefited greatly from them.

Blacks know, though, that tax cuts for the wealthy and tax cuts for large corporations have done little to improve the situation for their communities. Tax cuts for small businesses, and enabling small businesses to get much-needed credit, are different.

But to sit there and act that you’ve done everything properly, and the blacks are simply brainwashed is absurd and it’s why the Republican Party continues to suffer from lack of black votes. And now Hispanic votes, too.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Blacks know, though, that tax cuts for the wealthy and tax cuts for large corporations have done little to improve the situation for their communities.

I have no doubt leftists such as yourself have insisted that, but the problem is poor blacks live almost exclusively in hard left areas so they aren’t seeing the benefits of conservatism in action. It doesn’t take a particularly intelligent person to figure out that the tax cuts resulted in more jobs and opportunities every time its been tried and tax hikes have the opposite effect.

In any case, the GOP isn’t lacking in votes because the ideas have been tried… they haven’t, except very rarely and in small doses, obliterated by leftist ideas like “let’s give everyone free drugs and bail out financial corporations!”

You are acting like there’s not a deliberate, systematic effort to lie to and misinform minorities about the right and the Republican Party’s ideas. Blacks in particular are told lies every Sunday in pulpits by activists and Democratic Party politicians.

D-Vega

Sounds like a lot of excuses, CT.

Blacks, like everyone else, can see exactly the difference in polices, and don’t necessarily disagree with you on a lot of them. Speaking down to people and telling them what their problem is, is not a good strategy.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You can call it whatever you want, but if you’d bother looking around objectively and rationally you’d see what’s going on.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You can call it whatever you want, but if you’d bother looking around objectively and rationally you’d see what’s going on.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

You can call it whatever you want, but if you’d bother looking around objectively and rationally you’d see what’s going on.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

And you are acting like there’s not a deliberate, systematic effort to lie to and minsinform whites about the right and the Republican Party’s ideas. Whites in particular are told lies every time they watch Fox News by activists and Republican Party strategists.

It works both ways. But yes, Fox is the only reliable news source. Tax increases under Clinton just supressed growth. The housing bubble was due to CRA, and not low interest rates, repeal of Glass-Steagall, and lack of regulation in the derivatives industry. Claiming that only the right is the informed and intelligent party is as dumb as claiming that the left is the informed and intelligent party.

The Republicans had complete control from 2003 to 2007, and nearly complete control from 2001 to 2003 and you can say their ideas haven’t been tried?
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Do you lie about everything concerning Fox and Reps?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Please point out to me where I lied about anything in the above post.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Look over your first paragraph and you’ll see the lies. But then, you deliberately lied, so you already know, don’t you.

Anonymous

“Bringing them on board” means they don’t have to do some of the heavy lifting. No, Vega, the problem is simple racism in the black community. I’ll put it this way: if Obama burned down an orphanage full of kids tomorrow he’ll still enjoy majority black support. That is an exaggeration, but not by much.

Any time a community sees a mayor caught on film doing crack, getting pinched by the cops, sent to prison, and then reelects him, has some monumental reflection to do. Any group so partisan as to inflict that mess on its own people for the sake of him being black needs to look inward before anyone outside can seriously address their issues.

D-Vega

So your saying you not only want to keep blaming them for not supporting your party, but also you want to generalize them into little packages to justify it.

It was my point exactly.

Anonymous

No, and you know that is not what I am saying. I am saying that blacks need to start looking at what is happening in their communities and asking why the Dem solutions, particularly in urban communities, have consistently not worked. Many are starting to do so, but too many still look at the equation as “Dem= minorities = good” and “GOP = rich whites = bad”. Until, on the whole, this changes, there cannot be a shift.Furthermore, on too many occasions when the GOP and their supporters have tried to attract black voters, backstabbing and outright racism seem to win out.

D-Vega

“Blacks need to start looking”. Right, I gotcha.
Anonymous

What, exactly, have you “got”?
D-Vega

That you’re saying what’s basically been said in every thread on the very same issue. If Blacks aren’t voting Republican, it’s on them.
Anonymous

And is that wrong?

D-Vega

So your saying you not only want to keep blaming them for not supporting your party, but also you want to generalize them into little packages to justify it.

It was my point exactly.

gfchicago

Like charter schools, for example

Gee Vega, which party cancelled the voucher program in D.C., where the poorest black children were getting to go to the best schools in the area? Guess they didn’t want Sasha and Melia going to school with the unwashed masses.

Next question why not have a voucher program where the parents get to decide which school their children go to? Oh it might up set the teacher’s union? Tough. Parents need to have more of a choice of where to send their kids. This is specifically why the conservatives don’t like big government. The government gets very little right, they might start out with good intentions, however you know that good intentions have paved the road to hell.

D-Vega

You have a choice right now to send your child to any school you want.

gfchicago

Ya if you want to pay double. It’s a bunch of bullshit that people that pay taxes have to pay once again for a parochial or private school. So they are paying twice. How is that fair? I’m paying taxes for schools and I’m not utilizing the school systems since I never had any children, yet I’m forced to pay for it. So once again, how is that fair?

D-Vega

Because it’s public school. If you stop driving, and only fly in a helicopter, you will still pay for highways.
gfchicago

Even if I didn’t drive I would still be utilizing the roads simply because someone will take me somewhere or I would take a cab or a bus.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

That’s why he said “only fly in a helicopter”. It’s the same situation as public schools. You’re not using the roads at all. Will you then demand a helicopter voucher? Even though the rest of the country is using them, and their use may effect you, you don’t personally use them, so you should get a helicopter voucher.

Waterwillows

Should the blacks be feeling that Obama shows the black community in a negative light, well they can take a gander at that nit-wit Jimmy Carter.
He does whitey no good service with his acceptance of the Arab coin and the promotion of all things Islam.
To me it is ‘all things being equal’, we got our share of the lemons as well.

I really don’t agree with this idea of reaching out to any color. What’s good enough for me, should be good enough period.
I think the blacks already know this and deep down resent this subtle separation of reaching out as being just that…separation.
If the blacks want to see more promotion of Islam, then Obama is the man for the job. If they want more freedom, then anyone else is better.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

“I think the blacks already know this and deep down resent this subtle separation of reaching out as being just that…separation.”

Pretty much spot on. Why should Republicans need to “reach out”? What is it about Republican policies that aren’t already good enough?

Serfer62

What about racism? Blacks vote as a blob. All the blacks political ideals are in the Republican party yet they continue to vote 90% + D, why? Well the GOP is the party of “whites” therefore they will never vote black and condemn those that do.
There is no hope for African-Americans but there is for black Americans and thats where then emphisis should be.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Or maybe their political ideals aren’t in the Republican party? What political ideals of blacks do you find in the Republican party?

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

The same as for whites. Because the hue of your skin doesn’t change facts or reality.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

So your argument is 38 million people have their political ideals in the Republican party, they just don’t know it? That the Republican party represents everything they want from government?

Anonymous

Who are you to speak for the black populace? Are you black? If not, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

The points have been made from Hotspur, et.al., that there are no “black” policies vs. “white” policies. You seem to be advocating that there should be special policies based on race. There are a lot of blacks in the Republican party. Why not ask them why they are Republicans or conservatives?

Is there any subject that you aren’t the world’s leading expert on?
gfchicago

Is there any subject that you aren’t the world’s leading expert on?

Apparently not. He kinda reminds me of the old Sherlock Holmes mysteries when Dr. Watson was pontificating on a theory or some such thing, then he turns around and Sherlock has left on a hunch and solves the crime with out Dr. Watson.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

Amazing you’re not asking this of Christopher, who is advocating that black ideals are aligned with the GOP platform. When I ask him to name those ideals, you claim that I am the one talking for the black populace.

Way to ask the right question of the wrong person.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

If you were a more rational, thoughtful person you’d realize that me saying “the truth is true for everyone regardless of their skin color” means I don’t have to be a spokesman for any identity group, while you demanding people pick and choose specific things targeted at identity groups means you must be.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

No, the GOP is a mess, my point is that the GOP platform represents what everyone should need in a political party, and that the Tea party conservatives driving it now have the answers America needs, no matter what color they happen to be.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

If the GOP platform was what everyone should need in a political party, why do we have Democrats? Oh right, now 150 million people just don’t know that the GOP platform represents everything they need. They are uninformed or weak minded enough to be manipulated into thinking Democrats are good.

Are you good friends with the Koch brothers?
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

We have Democrats because there’s always going to be ignorant people who never matured intellectually and use emotion rather than logic to determine their decisions.

I mean really, you’d say the Democrats have everything people need, so what’s the point of your question other than to admit you have no response to what I said?
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

We have Democrats because there’s always going to be ignorant people who never matured intellectually and use emotion rather than logic to determine their decisions.

I mean really, you’d say the Democrats have everything people need, so what’s the point of your question other than to admit you have no response to what I said?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

So your argument is 38 million people have their political ideals in the Republican party, they just don’t know it? That the Republican party represents everything they want from government?

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

I keep reading this kind of article but I never read what is meant by “reach out to (x identity group)” in a way that doesn’t mean “pander to groups like the left.”

http://www.facebook.com/people/Danny-Browning/1666222445 Danny Browning

It means see what issues they don’t feel are getting addressed, to determine if there is a solution amicable to both groups, or if it’s an issue that was lower priority that should be higher priority.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

This is a basic worldview difference. You think ideas are shaped to identity groups, and the right sees ideas as being universal. Instead of pandering, we present solutions.

D-Vega

Sure, the right never panders to women, Christians, hunters, NASCAR dads and Mama Grizzlies.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

You ARE RIGHT they DON’T. Oh,.. wait,.. you WERE trying to be sarcastic.

Sorry,.. true statements do NOT lend themselves to well to sarcasm.

Just say’n.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

You ARE RIGHT they DON’T. Oh,.. wait,.. you WERE trying to be sarcastic.

Sorry,.. true statements do NOT lend themselves to well to sarcasm.

Just say’n.
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

Correct. The difference between “pandering” and “appealing” is pretty plain to most people but apparently your need to hate the right and oppose anything we do or say blinds you to that obvious fact.

http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

This is a basic worldview difference. You think ideas are shaped to identity groups, and the right sees ideas as being universal. Instead of pandering, we present solutions.

theRebelrose

The opportunity should be seized.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L3JFCXVGHSGX2J6FJM4NUNZOZE Russ

and now here’s another problem you conveniently miss:

Humans are not known for happily co-existing with each other, Civil Rights Movement or not.

And it goes beyond race, too.

Barack Obama was elected president BECAUSE of his race; for all intents and purposes, many blacks might argue “whitey set him up to fail”; good luck arguing that one.

Basically, President Obama just proved it hasn’t changed, based on the reasons he was elected in the first place.

Humans like style without substance, and they also like co-existing among their own races and ethnicities, and only co-exist with other groups when they need to.

Bottom line: you’re asking humans not to be humans.

Just as I’ve said about cutting federal spending, we’re not ready for this yet.

If I’ve come off as sounding like humans are these hopeless creatures who are eternally screwed and are stuck on “stupid”, I don’t mean to; but don’t expect this to change anytime soon.

It’s gonna be a very long time before this changes…if we’re lucky, it’ll be seen during the adulthood of our great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandkids.
Alter Ego

So black people are just too dumb to understand republicans love them. That’s why the were enslaved for so long.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

OK A little history.

Abraham Lincoln was instrumental in abolishing legal slavery.

Abraham Lincoln BELONGED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

The Democrat Party was the party with the MOST to LOSE when legal slavery BECAME ILLEGAL.

ALL of the SOUTHERN SLAVE OWNERS BELONGED TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!!!

What part of that equation is so hard to understand?

Come on people WAKE UP!
MM

Nice sentiment but no waay. I have many black friends(I’m white) some I’ve known since they were small boys. There have been many a time when I’ve been the only white person at one of their homes.

After a while, the masks come off and everything, and I do mean everything is looked at through the prism of race. Hands down, blacks are the most racist people I ever meet.

Sadly, this victim mentality that has been taught to them from their earliest years is not easily shaken off. Some of the blacks I know are 4th and 5th generation welfare recipients. Ask yourself HTF does section 8 housing or food stamps become part of our DNA?

I lay this mentality directly at the feet of pREgressives. They have turned our culture into a 24/7 sewer. They spew filth 24/7. Further, our history, our American Exceptionalism is not only shunned but great men that laid their sacred honor on the line for freedom are now simply, old white men that owned slaves.

You reap what you sow and conservatives have let the filthy lies of pREgressivism pass for truth for 100 years. This generation of blacks are lost. We must take our schools back with vouchers, it is the only long term solution.

Frankly, I’m amazed that our country remains as conservative as it is. thankfully, when most people. and yes I mean whites, get into the real world and start paying taxes, the fog is lifted. For blacks, with the triple millstone of intergenerational government dependence as the way of life they see all around them, the lies taught in public schools and these destructive lifestyles blamed not on personal responsibility but on “the man” it’s a much tougher road to walk.

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