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Women Are Probably Going To Hate The Men’s Version Of The Feminist Revolution

Written By : John Hawkins

A couple of days ago, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who could fairly be described as a feminist. Not a conservative feminist — a feminist in the traditional sense of the word.

I remarked to her that over the last few decades, women’s ideals, in everything from dating, to careers, to their life in general, have changed quite a bit while men’s ideals, hopes and dreams have been much more static over that same time period. She agreed and said feminism hasn’t done a good job of “helping men” reach their potential. My response to that was that when it finally arrives, she probably won’t like the men’s revolution any more than most men enjoyed the feminist version.

I was reminded of that as I read Dr. Helen’s piece at Pajama’s Media, “Manning Up or Wimping Out: Men Don’t Exist to Serve Women’s Desires.“

After 45 years of being told they are pigs, sexist, and good for nothing, men have quit trying to please others, so they slap on a baseball cap and don’t talk much. And with good reason.

…What do you have to offer these men you call child-men if they do man up? Are you going to ensure that they have fair access to their children should they divorce? Will you make sure that they aren’t hauled off to jail if the wife makes false accusations of domestic violence? Will you let them keep the earnings and property that they worked for over years rather than have them turned over to their wife, even if she cheated and was abusive? Will you shield the millions of men who live in fear of their significant other but have nowhere to turn for help? Will you make marriage, in other words, as valuable to men as you think it is for women?

I doubt it. What Hymowitz and other authors in this area — see Kathleen Parker’s Save the Males: Why Men Matter, Why Women Should Care for another example — seem to want is for these men to marry women and make them happy. Rather than recognize that they are autonomous beings who are living for themselves and fulfilling their own needs and not a woman’s obligations, these analyses of the “man problem” seem to be all about what women want.

The changes that have occurred in the last few decades have opened up a lot of possibilities for women. Women are now even more educated than men on the whole, they can thrive in the work place, and their views are much more represented in politics, entertainment, and society in general. Those are good things. However, you could also make an excellent argument that American society has become over-feminized and that the playing field has been generally tilted in favor of women. Most women wouldn’t see it that way…but, that ties into the point I’m going to make. Most men, even if they don’t have the cahones to say so, don’t look at the feminist movement or the changes that have occurred over the last decades the same way that women do.

That doesn’t mean that the average man wants women to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen — that’s simply not true — but it does mean that we tend to be much more aware of the negative aspects of liberal feminism. For example, the ugly side of the liberal feminist movement is that it’s anti-men, victim oriented, and is designed to make men serve women’s desires. It’s very “Boo-hoo, the patriarchy is keeping me down! Men have it easy, while we have it hard! Where are all the good men and why don’t they listen when I berate them about their flaws?”

So, what happens when men start to react to the feminist movement or worse yet, mirror the uglier aspects of it? It has already started to happen in some quarters. The slackers who’ve given up, work menial jobs, live in their parents’ basements, and play video games and watch TV all night are one facet of it. Fifty years ago, they might have gotten a job in a factory, gotten married, and settled down to raise 2.5 kids. But today, being a generally good guy and having a decent paying job is generally just a prerequisite to a relationship as opposed to the whole kit and kaboodle. Rather than work through the other half-dozen requirements women have added since the sixties, some men have decided it’s easier to drift.

Another facet, one that I think is going to become much, much more prevalent in coming years is the “game-theory-loving,” “we’re just products of our evolutionary nature” men. Never heard of them? Well, you will, because they’re pitching a message that will sound as pitch perfect to a certain type of man as the liberal feminist spiel does to a certain type of woman.

These guys tend to be misogynistic, victim oriented, and focused on making women serve men’s desires — which are much more sex oriented than commitment oriented. If you’re a woman, that probably sounds utterly appalling. If you’re a man, you probably either think it sounds like fun or you hope they end up joined at the hip to Amanda Marcotte/Gloria Steinem clones one day, because they deserve each other.

What women should realize is that eventually, the culture is going to dramatically shift for men the same way it did for women in the sixties. When that happens, women aren’t going to be “guiding” the shift, nor are they likely to be big fans of how it ultimately plays out, because the underlying aim of a genuinely powerful men’s movement is going to be to take back some of the power that men feel like they’ve lost over the last few decades.

Anonymous

“…today, being a generally good guy and having a decent, paying job is generally just a prerequisite to a relationship as opposed to the whole kit and kaboodle. Rather than work through the other half-dozen requirements women have added since the sixties, some men have decided it’s easier to drift.”

Are you kidding me? Drift?
This is one of the greatest times to be a male. At least if all you are interested in is being yourself and getting laid occasionally. Men are “drifting” because they CAN.

I have a part-time job as a bouncer for a company that operates a trio of connected bars. One is a dance hall, one a traditional bar, and one a gentleman’s club.

I get to observe WOMEN acting like MEN EVERY weekend!

Womens lib has made the process of getting laid easier and easier every year as young ladies steeped in the radical theories act more and more like uncontrolled nymphomaniacs. It may be harder to land a long term relationship, but a no-strings-attached night or two of fun is easier than ever.

That is what has made LTRs more and more rare.
Anonymous

Well as a mother of a son, I have never understood why radical feminism can be so demeaning towards men. These women surely can’t love their sons as much as they do themselves or they would allow the child to become who he is meant to be — a man.

I hope men do gain back some of the power they have lost. I am constantly looking for male role models (other than my husband) for our son.

As for Blkdragon’s comment below — maybe I’ll need to have a good talking to my daughter as she gets older :). I don’t want her trying emulate nymphomaniac feminists.
Anonymous

I’m with Saint Paul. We were made differently for each other. The Satanic left has divided everything functional into groups in order to take us down (sound familiar Obama?) including the cornerstone of any society -the family, and has turned us into self-centered (opposite of love/God) pleasure seeking idiots.
Sean

I really have never given a damn what women think or say. If they don’t like the way I do things, or what I say, too bad. Pretty much sums it up. And I don’t take no orders from no skirts.

TheMartha

This is at least an honest answer from someone who hates women. The attitude expressed is at the core of the bulk of the responses to this post.

StanW

Flagged for being a bigot and idiot!

TheMartha

Yes, stan-lee, that is you in the mirror.
Shilosrules

Would love to know WHY Martha’s comment was censored.

StanW

No one is ‘censored’ here, Shilos. This is a private site and any comment can be removed for any reason.

If that offends you, then you are free to post elsewhere.
TheMartha

People are censored at RWN on a daily basis, stan-lee. As you well know.
http://dotnetchris.wordpress.com/ Chris Marisic

Wrong. To host a public forum that accepts commentary especially on “hot button” topics, it is wrong to censor inconvenient posts. This “you have no rights here” is nonsense. If that’s the view of this site, all of commenting should be removed and there should be silence from responses.
Anonymous

I would love to know why we should care that his/her/it’s comment was “censored”? Martha doesn’t have a right to be here. You don’t have a right to be here. If you or Martha don’t want to see your comments “censored”, either stop making such stupid comments or go away.
TheMartha

Now, now, tiny. Why so petulent? TheMartha has as much right to be here as does tiny. More, in fact, as TheMartha tells the truth, whilst tiny pouts. Censorship hurts us all, tiny.
TheMartha

Now, now, tiny. Why so petulent? TheMartha has as much right to be here as does tiny. More, in fact, as TheMartha tells the truth, whilst tiny pouts. Censorship hurts us all, tiny.
Anonymous

TheMartha has as much right to be here as does tiny.

If by this you mean neither of us have a right to be here, I agree. We comment on this blog at the pleasure of John Hawkins, who can at any time for any reason remove that privilege from us, as he has removed it from you on numerous occasions.
Anonymous

bigotry and idiocy. Plus martha is a pedophilic troll.

StanW

Flagged for being a bigot and idiot!

Sean

I really have never given a damn what women think or say. If they don’t like the way I do things, or what I say, too bad. Pretty much sums it up. And I don’t take no orders from no skirts.
Sean

I really have never given a damn what women think or say. If they don’t like the way I do things, or what I say, too bad. Pretty much sums it up. And I don’t take no orders from no skirts.
Sean

I really have never given a damn what women think or say. If they don’t like the way I do things, or what I say, too bad. Pretty much sums it up. And I don’t take no orders from no skirts.
Anon

Author is thinking like an old man. No, next “revolution” is happening right now. Asexual revolution.

Good Ol Boy

Do what now? What exactly constitutes an “asexual revolution”?

http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

“What exactly constitutes an “asexual revolution”? ”

A feminist’s Saturday night?
Anonymous

What your wife does. /sarc. Believe it is from Wargames.
Anonymous

What your wife does. /sarc. Believe it is from Wargames.

Anonymous

Yeah, I can totally see a movement centered around not ever having sex gaining tons of followers.

Idiot.

President Friedman

I think there is something to that though… internet porn. A lot of men used to expend a lot of energy chasing women, and now they are content to stay home with a laptop and a bottle of lotion and a digital prostitute who looks hotter and will be nicer to them than any of the girls they were going to meet out and about, and that certainly has far ranging consequences. Probably not what Anon was talking about, but it does factor into the conversation.
User

You are confusing mere genitalia with having actual sex.

Anonymous

Worst thing that can happen to a feminist is for her to get what she asks for.

She’ll be miserable forever.

TheMartha

Perhaps you will clarify why someone would be miserable forever because they get equal treatment and respect.

Anonymous

Oh this is sad.

Feminists haven’t been pushing that line for decades.

TheMartha

It is sad that women still have to strive for equality and respect. And worse that they are being attacked for it.

Anonymous

How are women not equal? In the US of course, can’t count your muslim buddies.
TheMartha

Your snide deflection speaks volumes.
Anonymous

How is he deflecting? Just answer the question. How are women in the US not equal?
Anonymous

How are women not equal? In the US of course, can’t count your muslim buddies.
Anonymous

How are women not equal? In the US of course, can’t count your muslim buddies.
Anonymous

Yup, so no specific examples then?
LittleMissPatriot

What women are YOU talking about?
Gary from Jersey

You’re buying the victim line and have no awareness of the cultural, political and sexual changes of the last 30 years. Look at unemployment demographics, the judicial system, school curricula and so forth to see how unequal you are. Then ask yourself again why you think you still have to “strive for equality and respect.”
Anonymous

“Does the paranoia go with being on the rightwing?”

No reseponse from you for 23 hours, then I make a comment to someone who totally isn’t you (wink wink) presumably with an email notification to him but not you (because you’re a different person) and you respond within 30 minutes. Hmmmmm

And again, you have provided no specifics.
TheMartha

So a) yes, you are paranoid.
b) you are ignorant of computer notifications.
c) you ignore the freshest and untampered specifics on offer.
Anonymous

Gotcha, so you go caught and now you don’t want to have been caught.

Whatever, I really don’t care what you choose to call yourself.

BTW: saying “hey look around you” =! citing specifics.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UOA7JVPAIB2DLEPMPGPQBGX66A gwallan

One SHOULD have to strive for respect.

Gary from Jersey

That line is pushed constantly. The hatred and sense of entitlement, which includes controlling how YOU think, act and interact in society is palpable. Maybe you don’t see it because it’s become ingrained in nearly every aspect of this debate to where it’s a given.

Anonymous

So you came up with a new moniker to avoid responding to my questions? Pretty lame martha.

Anyhow. Would you care to answer “gary” (a totally new individual!) in what way are women not equal in the US?

Specifics please, preferably with statistics/graphs etc to back it up.
TheMartha

Does the paranoia go with being on the rightwing?

Specifics, eh? Hmmmm – Well, why don’t you read the comments posted to this blog. Real “men” making their “heartfelt” comments. Vox Populi. Red-blooded American men expressing their opinions about women.

Get back to me.

Wiff O’Grapeshot

Y’want equal treatment? Make 18 year old women register for the draft.
LittleMissPatriot

That’s not what feminists want. They want to be in charge, and to bash men and the family.

President Friedman

Great post, John. I have been following the burgeoning men’s rights movement for a few years now, and have sort of watched in horror as it was co-opted by the ‘gamers’. There are a lot of issues I sympathize with, but I just can’t stomach the abject hatred they display towards women. Ignoring their call to arms may be betraying my gender, but siding with them betrays my mother, my wife, my daughter… easy choice for me. Until the “movement” figures out a way to advocate for men’s issues that doesn’t include copying all the worst aspects and of the feminist movement, they can do it without me.

Tennwriter

Nicely said, PF.

I keep arguing for a rebirth of chivalry (the whole thing with obligations on both sides), and most people ignore it, or look at me strange. But we can either revive High Culture or descend into a mutual Barbarian Culture. The gamers want Barbarianism. Feminists want us to hang between the two with men sorta High and Women sorta Barbarian, but that halfway spot won’t work. Hot chicks and rich older men, without scruples, want full on Barbarianism because it gives them the greatest scope for the use of their power.

StanW

Chivalry has not died. I still hold doors for women, allow them to go first, etc. Most say thank you, a few continue as if I weren’t there, and the occasional harpie yells at me.

And I don’t care. I will continue to act this way, I taught my son to act this way, and I’ll do the same for my grandson.

And if women don’t like it, that’s too bad.

TheMartha

They don’t like it, stan-lee, because they can feel the hate dripping from your gaping mouth.

StanW

hahahahahahahaha!
Anonymous

I generally hold the door for anyone behind me. I wonder if they all feel the hate dripping from my mouth?

Man that’s a lot of people who have had to experience the full force of my open-door channeled hatred.
Anonymous

Please shut up and leave, troll.

President Friedman

And you know, just as there are men who still believe in chivalry, there are women who still respond positively to it. That is the entire problem with ‘game theory’, it teaches men to go after the very women that should be avoided at all costs… extremely hot chicks who have been fed a mental diet of feminism, pop culture, and inflated self-esteem for their entire lives. If such women are the object of your desire and what you expend your energy on obtaining, it is no wonder so many of these men hate women so much!

Then you get into men who go after the decent women but lose out to men who are more socially or sexually agressive. Eventually they decide this must be the way to be, and they tend to overdose on the ‘alpha male’ until the decent women no longer want to have anything to do with them… at which point they swear off decent girls as hopeless prudes and take their new skillset to the local meat market until they catch herpes or knock up some girl. I’ve seen it happen, and it is sad. Being a complete pushover is never going to serve a man’s advantage, but as far as the ‘alpha/beta man’ debate goes, a mature long term adult relationship requires a man who is capable of exhibiting both qualities, and a woman who is capable of responding to them (most women are, and do). It’s probably true that most modern man need to bone up on their alpha skills in order to attract a decent woman, but that’s not the same as becoming a fake uber-alpha male, which is what ‘game’ is all about.

Cousin Dave

“Eventually they decide this must be the way to be, and they tend to overdose on the ‘alpha male’ ”

Or the opposite: they conclude that the whole thing is just a setup to embarrass them, over and over, and so they drop out. This is where most of your video gamers are at; in the battle of the sexes, they have seceded and declared themselves neutral. It’s not that they hate women — there are such thing as girl gamers, and their attitude is much the same. It’s that they are extremely distrustful of the whole concept of romance. They see romance and marriage as something restricted to the social elites, not intended to be enjoyed by the hoi-polloi.
Anonymous

Speaking as a single male gamer, you have no idea how hard I tried to find a reason to disagree with you. But all I got was a big heaping helping of fail.

I actually have a gamer friend who once turned down a date with one of the hottest girls I’ve ever seen so he could go home and play video games. When I asked him why he said, no joke, “I’d rather spend an evening beating Mass Effect 2 for the twelfth time than spend an evening dealing with her shit”.
Anonymous

I’m reading some interesting points here, but – as I’m sure you know – the dynamics are very complex. For example, I expect for many young people, the gamer/dating “relationship” is a two-way street: if you have a kid who’s been playing many hours of video games daily since he was like 10 years old, and basically becomes “addicted” to that activity, we’d expect him/her to lose interest in higher-maintainance relationships that interfere with that addiction.

When I was in my early twenties, I played the field a lot, but I quickly ejected from potentially high-maintenance relationships that threatened to cut into my hard-core partying lifestyle.

This is just the tip of the iceburg. I agree with many of the comments on here regarding feminism, need for a man’s version of the revolution, etc.; but these factors are interacting with a wide range of other evolving social dynamics.
LittleMissPatriot

‘Girl’ gamers give us REAL gamers a bad name. And btw, I’m a 41 year old FEMALE gamer. P&P D&D, DDO, EQ2, and yes, even WoW…
I’ve also played Borderlands, Bioshock, KotOR, Conkers Bad Fur day (the OLD one with the exploding squirrels on the beach!)

LittleMissPatriot

Who says gamers want barbarianism?? And not all women are against chivalry, only the stupid ones..

Petuniapig67

Man up, Prez. Grow a pair.

President Friedman

Also, let’s be honest about one thing: part (not all, but more than gets talked about) of the problem American men are having has more to do with economics than with the rise of feminism. The skill set of being naturally stronger, more athletic, and better at spatial thinking than women is no longer a good enough skill set to make one economically or culturally dominant. And the one skill men tend to excel at that COULD help them be more economically and culturally dominant -a natural affinity for math and science – is downplayed by parents, peers, and other cultural emphasis on the skills/areas that aren’t as likely to help them out. In a world and economy where being able to succesfully manage complex relationships is more profitable than having a strong back, women have an economic advantage. That’s not a situation men are used to dealing with, but it’s also not something to blamed on feminism (although there is plenty of blame to be thrown that way for other issues).
lucas

Good post John. Not to detour the conversation but yesterday I read a spot-on post about this same topic (written from an objective christian standpoint) that ties directly into this.

bottom line: Because of the changing reaction and cost-benifit economics of the current sexual-economy in relationships, Women lost more than they gained in the feminist revolution.

http://nicgibson.org/?p=1386
Southern Man

I love women – but after a lifetime of living to please them I still welcome their company but will no longer put up with their crap. My life is much, MUCH the better for it.
Anonymous

Interesting this subject should come up.
I’ve been seeing a gal for a couple weeks now, we’ve gone out to camp a couple times and had dinner, etc. She’s casually in conversation stated she’s a feminist.She lives in a community further north than myself, has a Master’s in Pyschology, has been building a bush cabin the last couple years. She’s certainly not butch and a fine looking lady. She’s made statements that she likes a man with manly qualities; can fix things, is active, is masculine, that kind of thing. To her declared feminism I replied “that’s interesting, I’d really like to pick your brain on the feminist movement and your thoughts on how it originated, how it has evolved and what it means now to you and in general”. She smiled with a glint in her eye and said she’d enjoy that conversation. We haven’t had it yet but I’m quite curious about her experiences and insight, this is no hard core left winger but tilts more to the left than myself in many atitudes and is apolitical.
I think it’ll be a rational and eye opening exchange and am looking forward to it.

President Friedman

You know, my wife is sort of like that (well, assuming “that” means the not-batshit-crazy type of feminist). If you asked her if she was a feminist, she’d probably say yes, but to her it just means that she’s capable of changing a tire, putting her own worm on the hook when we go fishing, using a chop saw and measuring tape to cut a 2×4 to an exact length for a project she’s working on, or getting her wedding ring out of the p-trap on her own if it were to accidentaly get washed down the drain. It just means she doesn’t pretend to be a frail little flower when she’s not one. To her, ‘feminism’ isn’t a political statement. She doesn’t pay much attention to politics but would laugh at ideas typically floated by modern feminists.

So don’t freak out. Hopefully that is what your new gal means. If not, there’s always internet porn. ;-)

Anonymous

Not worried in the slightest, am looking forward to it as it will indeed be a reasonable conversation. I have a pretty good idea what she thinks of feminism for herself (much like your wife’s atituded I’d say), so I’m really interested to hear her views on the movement as a whole.

“cut a 2×4 to an exact length”
Well, then; she has one up on me in that department!

http://conservativebootcamp.com Martin Hale

NC. I can’t help but be reminded that back in the pioneer days, most of the women were what today would be considered “feminists” Self-sufficient, strong-willed and both capable and willing to take on the formidable challenges of living rurally and making do without the frilly, fancy “lady-like” things the gurly-gurls had. They were either that, or they didn’t survive – literally.

Daytrip

Hey hey HEY! What’s with all this hatred of the gamers? I find your stereotype offensive…. World of Warcraft on the other hand…
Daytrip

Hey hey HEY! What’s with all this hatred of the gamers? I find your stereotype offensive…. World of Warcraft on the other hand…

LittleMissPatriot

I was wondering the same thing…

Crimsonfella

Feminism is a big reason for the breakdown of the traditional family.You see everyday good men get ruined by women.It is not enough to just leave No! they have to take everything the guy has worked for.Even if it has’nt happened to you personally, you probably know a few people this has happened to.It all boils down to people not doing it God’s way and the sad fact is that divorce is just as much of a problem in the church than out in the world.Feminism has even krept into the church house and we are reaping what we’ve sown as a society.

Anonymous

Nixon hasn’t seen you post here in a while, which means little.
Good to see you back.
Anonymous

Nixon hasn’t seen you post here in a while, which means little.
Good to see you back.

Mr. Derp

The long and short of it is, no major world civilization has ever been matriarchal. Unless you want to defend The Cuna indians or some other anthropological also-ran as the apex of culture, you’ve got a lot of success to explain away.

The “game” players are right about one thing. Stop playing by the Feminazi rules. Women don’t like “sensitive” men. They like manful men. And it is manful to refuse to obey the dead hand of 70s pseudo-intellectuals.

Gary from Jersey

What feminists refuse to understand is that there are makers and takers. What will they do when men ends centuries worth of making for women and tell them to make it themselves? Maybe then they’ll learn the true value of male accomplishment.

Not a Martha

I am a 38 year old attractive woman. As a little girl it was always my deepest desire to be a mom, care for a home and have a husband to admire & love & be protected by. However, feminism’s influence stole the innocence & purity of that longing until the dream was twisted. It was more than difficult to suppress the shame one feels when their deepest dreams are deemed old or outdated, inferior, weak, silly and co-dependent….and there are plenty of other derogatory platitudes lauded at women who are not falling in rank & file behind such women as Oprah or Martha or even Sarah Palin. Don’t think that I have not had my share of experiences in the workforce among men, I find them to be more cordial and focused on the job than the majority of women I encountered.

Today it is my responsibility to show honor and respect to my husband and to allow him his rightful place as my protector. I did not always have this heart. I am a very strong minded female with an adventurous approach toward life. Though my peers & society almost derailed me from my greatest calling, is the calling of Love which spoke loudest. I reject feminism as it is just another lie to distract all of us from loving each other.
Son of Bob

The truth is, women don’t actually even want the men they’ve said they wanted. For years the woman’s movement has claimed to want the Alan Alda-type “sensitive” male that is not afraid to “explore his feelings.” However, in reality, the men that still excite them are the “man’s man,” while they ridicule the new whiny “emo” boys and “metrosexual” half-men they have created.

LittleMissPatriot

I like gamer geeks..

Anonymous

Hey, gamer geeks can be manly when we want to be.

LittleMissPatriot

I like gamer geeks..

Anonymous

Great article. Bravo!
David W

After an ex-girlfriend kept telling me she didn’t need a man in her life to have children (apparently a turkey baster was all she needed), after listening to female friends call men dogs and pathological liars, and after hearing feminazis talk about how terrible life is because of men (after all, consensual sexual intercourse is the same as rape), I could not even begin to imagine why a woman would want to get married or even involved with a man. Thus, as a 52 year old, heterosexual male I have never married and won’t. And when I die and stand before God to be judged, I can safely tell “her” that I never raped a woman and I have never made a woman’s life a living hell (except for my Mom, but she still loves me – and no, I haven’t lived in my parents house since I graduated with my Masters degree). Sure I’m lonely and won’t be leaving a legacy behind – but I’m also keeping my carbon footprint small.
Jcase1032

There’s plenty of great guys out there who would love to marry a good woman, raise a family with her, and share their lives wholeheartedly. The sad reality is that our current culture and legal system makes woman god in the eyes of the law. The tax system also favors the failures at the expense of the responsible. Fake abuse claims that get him a mandatory lockup? I’ve seen it done. She cheats, abuses or robs the man blind? No matter, the system says she now owns better than a quarter of whatever he has, and the govt. gets the other half. I know tons of guys who are working side jobs, hustling an extra few grand a year in moonlighting to be able to afford some decent life after divorce. None of them have a problem with supporting their kids, but to toss a huge percentage of one’s income at a hostile, shrieking harpie who refuses to manage her money responsibly, and denies visitation as a punitive thing, its no wonder these guys don’t want to get roped in again. These same guys are now more interested in evening the score and bagging as many women as possible without attachment. Just how did that happen? Even a good dog leaves the porch if you abuse him long enough.

In my own instance, my wife has committed repeated acts of financial irresponsibility, adultery, violations of the law, etc. She is diagnosed as bipolar, yet does little/nothing regarding treatment. Yet for me to leave her I end up in a one room apartment and she gets a huge chunk of what I earn, now that she no longer works at all. Our college age child sees this. No wonder he has no interest in dating or finding a potential mate.
http://twitter.com/TopCatsFish T Christensen

One does not need to look very hard to day for the “Seed N Feed” campaign being waged against men.

Men are also getting much wiser about it too.
Waterwillows

For all the woes and complaints about the women’s movement, many for good reason, it is still better than what Islam could produce for men. It does seem when men decide to ‘take back power’, it is more about the robbery of power that does not belong to them.
This ‘taking’ seldom does much to benefit men. They become ignorant and backward. Grueling labour and poverty are their lot. Alpha males push to the top taking all the females and hard crushing of any opponets.
Sufficient unto the day, is the evil thereof. Some doors should not be opened because later evils are worse.
Waterwillows

For all the woes and complaints about the women’s movement, many for good reason, it is still better than what Islam could produce for men. It does seem when men decide to ‘take back power’, it is more about the robbery of power that does not belong to them.
This ‘taking’ seldom does much to benefit men. They become ignorant and backward. Grueling labour and poverty are their lot. Alpha males push to the top taking all the females and hard crushing of any opponets.
Sufficient unto the day, is the evil thereof. Some doors should not be opened because later evils are worse.
Twittyswister

Why would any man get married anywhere in the Western world ? That so many still do speaks more to their ignorance than some misplaced sense of responsibility .

The way things have become , no sane man has any reason to get married or even live with any woman . Depending on the jurisdiction , his presence alone somehow makes him responsible for all of her life choices and the courts will see to it that he pays for everything . Real daddy took off ? No problem … make the boyfriend pay for the next 18 years . Live with your girlfriend and she wants to break up ? No problem … we’ll just give her half your things whether she’s got more than you do already or not .

What possible incentive is there for men to “grow up” in a society that punishes them for doing so ? The last forty years have been all about pleasing women and doing things for them . The result is that the schools are feminized , the workplace is feminized , the courts are feminized , the media is feminized ,…well , you get the picture . Of course no women think this is the case and that’s because they think all the little Timmys and Johnnys of the world are just stupid compared to girls , sexual harassment is a one-way street , divorce and family courts are fair for men and fathers , and a good swift kick in the groin is funny when it happens to men .

Our society is churning out misogynists now because feminists told the world that all men are naturally misogynistic . They lied about pretty much everything from the wage gap myth to domestic violence statistics . It all paints men as bad and women as victims . Sure , it’s not the reality but the truth took a backseat to ideology . Our governments all bought into this nonsense and now it’s starting to come back on us . I shouldn’t say “us” because I certainly never supported the over-feminization of our society and , if anything , was forced to endure it until I left .

Every time another guy gets shafted in divorce or family court , realizes how man-hating the media is , told he is over-represented at work due to his sex , misses out on a scholarship because he’s not a woman , etc., he notes the utter unfairness of it all . Eventually he starts to realize just how stacked against him the deck has become . When that happens he doesn’t blame the government , his boss , the ad executives , or anybody else doing it to him . He blames feminists because he knows that this is all a direct result of their never-ending demands . Then he starts to research it all and sees the other half of the coin that our feminized media refuses to mention . After a while he identifies all self-proclaimed feminists as feminazis whether they are or not . Pretty soon he also realizes that an awful lot of people consider themselves feminists . When that happens , he simply blames all women . And that’s how you make a misogynist . Whose fault was that ?

If “feminists” don’t start including men in the equation , more misogynists are going to be made . Don’t believe me ? Ten years ago , how many of you even knew what the Men’s Rights Movement was ? Yeah , well it’s growing in leaps and bounds and when it starts to have some real effect on government policy , it’s going to bury feminism and quite possibly a lot of women along with it (figuratively speaking for those that can’t figure that part out for themselves )

You reap what you sow .

Anonymous

“What possible incentive is there for men to “grow up” in a society that punishes them for doing so ?”

Exactly. Society today punishes men for taking responsibility, especially in family law. Feminist society gives women rights but still demand men take the responsibility. As a result, women do whatever they want and men and children adjust. Child inconvenient? Abort it. Husband not perfect? Divorce him and take him to the cleaners. The only way for men to win the game is not to play. Avoid marriage and you’ll never get divorced. Avoid fatherhood and you’ll never be stuck paying half your income for a child calling someone else “Daddy.”

Bob

John, your post is incomplete. You make no mention of the so-called “marriage avoiders” nor those men who decide to meet and perhaps marry a non-Western woman.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQ2236WZHJU4LVFBMAJIFEOR2U Derbydoll

Makes sense. Fortunately, there will always be some REAL men around for us real female types.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PQ2236WZHJU4LVFBMAJIFEOR2U Derbydoll

Makes sense. Fortunately, there will always be some REAL men around for us real females who appreciate them. . .
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HQGOKZSOBN7Y7HT7E3LU6A7MKE Daryl

This article is talking about me.

I’ll never remarry, or let a woman move in again. I don’t even like to date anymore. It’s simply not worth the hassle. I told my last girlfriend to go make somebody else miserable, and leave me the hell alone.

Finally, a simpler life. Freedom wins easily. My time, money and home are my own. I can get “companionship” easily enough. Life is good.

Love can be the best feeling in the world, but WHEN it ends, the hurt scars you for life. I’ll never be hurt again. Can’t say I miss it.

For those of you lucky enough to still be in love, you better hope it never ends, because it usually does for most of us.

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