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Dangerous Anti-Government Gun Nut Rightwinger Suspended From Kindergarten

Written By : William Teach

Good thing the Nanny State jumped on this quickly!

To the little boy’s mother, it was just a 6-year-old boy playing around.

But when Mason Jammer, a kindergarten student at Jefferson Elementary in Ionia, curled his fist into the shape of a gun Wednesday and pointed it at another student, school officials said it was no laughing matter.

They suspended Mason until Friday, saying the behavior made other students uncomfortable, said Erin Jammer, Mason’s mother.

Whew! That made everyone safe, eh? Just because “He’s only six and he doesn’t understand any of this” is no reason to take action against this violent child, who is probably anti-IRS, too. And this wasn’t the first time he displayed this behavior! I bet he makes crayon posters comparing Obama to the Joker, as well!

Speaking of actual crazies, the NY Times has their story about the Pentagon shooting, and just can’t be bothered to make the connections

A gunman described by police officials as well-dressed, well-educated and well-armed for his minute-long shootout with police on Thursday just outside the Pentagon has died from his wounds.

Law enforcement officials said they still had not determined a specific motive for the gunman, identified as John Patrick Bedell, 36, but officials said he “had issues” and that there were records of previous brushes he had had with law enforcement officials.

Seeking clues for what prompted the suspect to open fire at a Pentagon entrance, police and F.B.I. investigators were examining a series of Internet postings thought to have been his work.

Still looking, eh?

Messages posted on the Web under the username JPatrickBedell seemed to share some biographical details with the shooter and pointed to a distrust of the military and the government at large. “I am determined to see that justice is served in the death of Colonel James Sabow, as a step toward establishing the truth of events such as the September 11 demolitions,” the user wrote, referring to the suicide of an Army officer in 1991.

So, a Truther. Kudos to Charles Johnson for finding more about Bedell’s Trutherism, bad boy for going the normal route and attempting to insinuate that Bedell was a right winger by writing “Another anti-government loon?”, as well as writing that Bedell is “a devotee of libertarian icon Ludwig Von Mises.” His brain washed followers too the hint, and ran with it.

The Times provides more

A 2006 arrest report for a man identified as John Patrick Bedell, then 33 years old, appeared to connect to the user JPatrickBedell, who wrote: “My desire for justice led me to violate what I think is one of the most unjust laws, cannabis prohibition, by growing 16 cannabis plants on my balcony in Irvine, CA from March 2006 to June 2006.”

And a pot user. He was also an anti-Bush nutter (via Patterico). I wonder, how will the media attempt the LGF spin to paint him as someone on the right?

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove

StanInTexas

“But when Mason Jammer, a kindergarten student at Jefferson Elementary in Ionia, curled his fist into the shape of a gun Wednesday and pointed it at another student, school officials said it was no laughing matter.

They suspended Mason until Friday, saying the behavior made other students uncomfortable, said Erin Jammer, Mason’s mother.”

Congratulations Ionia School officials. You have successfully punished a little boy for acting like… wait for it… A LITTLE BOY!

Zero Tolerance = ZERO BRAINS!
Power_System_Oper

Much would depend on motive. We used our hands as play pistols all the time imitating “cowboy good guys and bandits” during recess when I was in the first grade. I see nothing wrong if that was what was going on. On the other hand, if the kid was making menacing gestures towards other kids with his play hand pistol, that would be different. Even then, suspension is going over board. You give the kid a warning and explain to him why his actions are not appropriate in that particular situation.
StanInTexas

Much would depend on motive.
Posted by Power_System_Oper 2010-03-05 09:20:52

MOTIVE? The boy was 6-years-old! Kids play… PERIOD!

POS< you clearly fall into the NO BRAINS category for defending this idiocy!
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Posted by Power_System_Oper
2010-03-05 09:20:52

It’s the liberal mindset that people like you push that led to this.
whats_up

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 09:24:02

6 year olds also threaten each other and fight with each other, is that okay as well since they are only “playing”. Seriously PSO is right, depends on the motive. If all they were doing was playing then the school district went overboard. If the young kid was threatening someone that is different.
StanInTexas

If the young kid was threatening someone that is different.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 10:26:54

POS and you are complete idiots for trying to justify this.

It was Kindergarten, and the boy was six years old. HE WAS PLAYING, like little boys do. A high school kid that does this MIGHT be an issue. A child doing it is NOTHING!
whats_up

It was Kindergarten, and the boy was six years old. HE WAS PLAYING, like little boys do. A high school kid that does this MIGHT be an issue. A child doing it is NOTHING!

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 10:30:32

How do you know he was playing Stan? Nowhere in the article does it state that he was playing. Do you have some other link that shows this.
StanInTexas

How do you know he was playing Stan? Nowhere in the article does it state that he was playing. Do you have some other link that shows this.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 10:35:27

Like I said, you are a COMPLETE idiot!
“To the little boy’s mother, it was just a 6-year-old boy playing around.“
whats_up

Like I said, you are a COMPLETE idiot!
“To the little boy’s mother, it was just a 6-year-old boy playing around.”

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 10:37:42

However Stan, the mother wasnt THERE, that is her opinion. Also the school district had been trying for MONTHS to change the behavior, the parent had been warned that if the behavior didnt change the young boy could be suspended.
StanInTexas

However Stan, the mother wasnt THERE, that is her opinion. Also the school district had been trying for MONTHS to change the behavior, the parent had been warned that if the behavior didnt change the young boy could be suspended.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 10:41:14

Oh, so you know what the boy told his mother? YOU know better than she what happened?

This was a complete overreaction by the school. If two six year olds fight and cannot get along… YOU SEPARATE THEM.
Mike_M

Just another casualty in the liberal war on masculinity. Act like a boy in a public school and they earn a “problem” label so the union slugs can make it the parent’s problem. They either get expelled, shunted into special needs courses where they can be safely ignored, or doped up with Ritalin until they cooperatively drool and nod their way through class.
whats_up

This was a complete overreaction by the school. If two six year olds fight and cannot get along… YOU SEPARATE THEM.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 10:43:36

If two six year olds fight, they get suspended like ANY OTHER STUDENT who fights would.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

How do you know he was playing Stan? Nowhere in the article does it state that he was playing. Do you have some other link that shows this.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 10:35:27

You heard a 6 year old and came running Nixon sees.
whats_up

This was a complete overreaction by the school.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 10:43:36

The school had tried for MONTHS to correct the behavior, its not overreaction.
StanInTexas

If two six year olds fight, they get suspended like ANY OTHER STUDENT who fights would.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 10:46:34

WRONG crthns. And if the school cannot handle the bahviour of six-year-olds, they need to find another like of work. This is a bullshit overreaction by a group of braindead Liberals towards a little boy acting like a little boy. And you are all in favor of it.
http://arcadehomer.blogspot.com celebrim

“6 year olds also threaten each other and fight with each other, is that okay as well since they are only “playing”. Seriously PSO is right, depends on the motive. If all they were doing was playing then the school district went overboard. If the young kid was threatening someone that is different.”

Good lord, you consider a six year old kid making gun gestures with his hands to be ‘threatening’???

So, if the six year old was angry then its different??? It’s a six year old!!! Legally, morally, ethically, pragmatically and intellectually they are not treated or to be treated like adults or even like 15 year olds. What the heck does suspension accomplish?

Seriously, the appropriate response here is to role play back, to use his play (even angry play) to help him work out intellectually the consequences of the action he doesn’t understand. He has no clue what he’s doing or what it means. I did this to my mom once, angrily made a gun out of my fingers and ‘shot’ her, and she collapsed to the floor and wouldn’t move for several minutes. Lesson learned. I’m not saying that’s the only response, but the point is you have to teach and suspension is not a consequence a six year old can even grasp because the ability to make the connection between the consequences of a removed event (I have to stay home) and the angry action (the prior day) just isn’t really there. Suspending the kid isn’t teaching him anything.

Kids play to learn. The big problem here is very likely that his peers were taught not to respond to his action, which created frustration and tension on the part of the kid. He’s trying to play – even if it is ‘angry play’ where he is acting out a frustration – and he’s being responded to with non-play and other actions he doesn’t understand. What he’s actually being taught here is not the consequences of his action, but that his action is powerful in a mysterious way. The last thing you need to do is teach the kid that doing things like that triggers fear.
http://arcadehomer.blogspot.com celebrim

“If two six year olds fight, they get suspended like ANY OTHER STUDENT who fights would.”

Good grief. You know, I just thought you were a troll, but you really are a peice of crap in real life aren’t you?

They are six. Do you have any idea how many fights I got into as a six year old? Shortly after moving to Jamaica, I got jumped on by a ‘gang’ of six year olds because I was new and a looked different from everyone else. I ran to the teacher. The teacher said, “You need to find a way to handle this yourself. I can’t solve this problem for you.” That was one of the smartest things anyone ever said to me. I did. Problem was relatively quickly solved and most of us became friends.

After I moved back from Jamaica, problem all over again – I was new and I looked and talked different. This time, being older, when I fought I got into trouble for it. But I never got suspended. You got paddled and you got sent back to class. Heck, a couple of times I got paddled for fighting close friends. Eventually you and everyone else hopefully learn to resolve the problems yourself. You grow up. You learn to handle your emotions, you learn to read other peoples emotions and give them space, and you learn that your fists aren’t the best way to communicate. You don’t learn any of that by adult authority figures having hysterics, acting fearful, and tossing you out of the learning environment.
whats_up

WRONG crthns. And if the school cannot handle the bahviour of six-year-olds, they need to find another like of work. This is a bullshit overreaction by a group of braindead Liberals towards a little boy acting like a little boy. And you are all in favor of it.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 10:50:40

And where is the responsibility of the parnet, who had been told before, for MONTHS in fact that this type of behavior was not permissable. Did she let her son know that he couldnt “play” like that at school. After all that is what parenting is supposed to be, setting limits. The school handled it the way they are supposed to, for months they tried to get the young man to change his behavior and he didnt. Are they just supposed to let the behavior continue? If other students feel threatened, the schools have a legal and moral obligation to see that they threatening behavior stops. Had this young man continued to “play” like this and then hurt another student, the school district would have been held accountable.
Mike_M

“Kids play to learn.”

Considering he’s growing up in the liberal hellhole that is Michigan, shooting may be the most valuable skill he learns until he can escape to a more civilized land.
whats_up

Posted by celebrim
2010-03-05 11:02:38

Except schools cant “paddle” anymore. School rules are for everyone, if you fight, you get suspended.
sabiticus

This is madness. “Correct the behavior”? There’s nothing to “correct”! Little boys have always done these things. There is not a culture in any time in human history that I can think of in which kids didn’t naturally engage in “angry-play”. No, this isn’t an attempt to “correct” behavior, it’s an attempt to modify behavior, not just of the boy but also of the parents, towards the very specific political end of eradicating agression and replacing it with an obedient compliance. One has only to look at who is running public education to discern why this is a goal. If your goal is a collectivist society, then absolute obedience is a requirement.
StanInTexas

If other students feel threatened, the schools have a legal and moral obligation to see that they threatening behavior stops. Had this young man continued to “play” like this and then hurt another student, the school district would have been held accountable.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:03:59

Unbelievable, you are STILL defending this idiocy. Read the article again, crthns. No one felt THREATNED, they were UNCOMFORTABLE. So What?

Funny how you take the word of the school trying to cover it’s ass by saying they worked for MONTHS. Months on the behaviour of a six year old? They are totally incompetant!

And what about this young man’s self esteem that you Liberals are always harping about. What will this suspension do for him?

Further proof that there is no Liberal stupidity so great that you and your pathetic ilk will not defend it to the bitter end.
whats_up

Posted by sabiticus
2010-03-05 11:07:38

Then its the job of the parents to explain that type of “play” isnt allowed in school. The school sets the rules, if the parent doesnt like them then can always home school. However if you are going to the school, you have to follow their rules. Isnt that what conservatives allways tell us, you have to follow the rules, seriously what kind of parent allows their kids to break the rules of the institution that they are attending and then gets mad when their is punishment?
whats_up

Funny how you take the word of the school trying to cover it’s ass by saying they worked for MONTHS. Months on the behaviour of a six year old? They are totally incompetant!

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:08:46

What are you saying here Stan, that the school is lying, that they havent worked on this for months? Also how about the mothers responsibility, after all she was told for months about her child!
Realpolitik

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:08:46

stan, are ya shaking your fist impotently at the computer screen, or have ya made it into the shape of a gun?
StanInTexas

Also how about the mothers responsibility, after all she was told for months about her child!
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:14:23

There was no fight, there was no threat. He pointed his finger at another child, who felt UNCOMFORTABLE. Months of supposed work by the school to correct this child’s behaviour and they suspending him for pointing at another child. Yeah, real leadership there, crthns. No wonder they need a union to protect their jobs.

And I was making the point that you automatically believed the school and thought the mother was lying.
StanInTexas

Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 11:14:50

And now we get the pedophile perspective on the case.
whats_up

And I was making the point that you automatically believed the school and thought the mother was lying.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:18:11

Why do you automatically believe that the school was lying?
StanInTexas

Why do you automatically believe that the school was lying?
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:24:33

Why do you automatically believe the mother is lying?
whats_up

There was no fight, there was no threat. He pointed his finger at another child, who felt UNCOMFORTABLE. Months of supposed work by the school to correct this child’s behaviour and they suspending him for pointing at another child. Yeah, real leadership there, crthns.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:18:11

Stan,

As a parent would you continue to allow your children to defy your rules or at some point would there be a punishment?
whats_up

Why do you automatically believe the mother is lying?

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:25:46

I dont. However the mother has a responsibility to make sure that her son follows the rules that the school sets.
Realpolitik

And now we get the pedophile perspective on the case.
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:19:10

Geez Louise, stan, you mean you are shaping your fist into a different shape? The things you teach those scouts, eh?
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 11:12:14

What kind of school makes rules that outlaw PLAY?? It’s not the kid’s fault he’s too young to understand, it’s not the parent’s fault they have NO reason to discourage PLAY, it’s the fault of the SCHOOL that refuses to accept that children especially boys, PLAY. AND unless that play is likely to cause injury, it should not be discouraged, ever by anyone.
whats_up

Posted by bthewolf
2010-03-05 11:31:55

What does that have to do with the parent teaching their children that they have to follow the rules that the school sets down. If you dont like the rules, pull your child out of school. However if you stay, then you need to teach your child to follow the rules.
StanInTexas

However the mother has a responsibility to make sure that her son follows the rules that the school sets.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:27:33

You don’t know anything of the sort, crthns. The boy made another child ‘uncomfortable’. He was being a little kid. There was no threat and no danger to anyone. The school overreacted, got called on it, and are now covering their ass.

Look, I know the other schoolchildren tease you for being such a sissy panty-waste, and you have to run crying to teacher to make them stop. Maybe once you go through puberty, you won’t be such a nancy-boy.
StanInTexas

Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 11:30:23

Die Screaming, you child-molesting scum.

“Two year olds get pleasure from manipulating their sexual areas. It’s as natural and joyful and God-given as you can get.
Posted by Realpolitik 2009-08-27 14:09:42“
whats_up

You don’t know anything of the sort, crthns. The boy made another child ‘uncomfortable’. He was being a little kid. There was no threat and no danger to anyone. The school overreacted, got called on it, and are now covering their ass.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:34:02

They didnt overreact Stan, they worked for MONTHS to help the mother and child learn what the rules were that the school set. The parent has a responsibility to make sure the child understands what those rules are and that if he breaks them there will be a punishment, after all isnt that what being a parent is. Typical of you to blame the school and give the parent a pass.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Typical of you to blame the school and give the parent a pass.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 11:36:22

typical of you to want to touch the child.

David Duke.
Bush.
2004.
Vote.
Crthns.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

If the young kid was threatening someone that is different.

Yeah, maybe his finger was loaded, you idiot.
Realpolitik

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:35:49

Uh-oh – stan’s got a boner. Look out scouts – he’s baaaaack!
StanInTexas

They didnt overreact Stan, they worked for MONTHS to help the mother and child learn what the rules were that the school set.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:36:22

YOU DON’T KNOW THAT. The article says that the school ALLEGES that they worked for months. No where does it say what they did or if they ever told the parents ANYTHING.

The only thing we know for sure is that the child was suspended from school for making another child uncomfortable. No danger to a child, no sever issue, just uncomfortable.

Typical of yopu to blame everyone but the idiot Liberal responsible for blowing the entire thing WAY out of proportion.
whats_up

Typical of yopu to blame everyone but the idiot Liberal responsible for blowing the entire thing WAY out of proportion.

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:40:08

Again it wasnt blown out of proportion, your reaction is, but not what the school did.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 11:40:00

Don’t you white supremacists enjoy that man on man action thing as you hunker down in your bunker for the coming race war? At least that is what you have led Nixon to understand about you.
StanInTexas

Again it wasnt blown out of proportion, your reaction is, but not what the school did.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 11:50:10

So the school should suspend someone any time another student feels ‘uncomfortable’, crthns? I guess they would have to suspend teachers for making students ‘uncomfortable’ at test time. And I sure some students feel ‘uncomfortable’ with someone is better dressed or is better at sports than they are. Must suspend those troublemakers too!

Where does it end, crthns? Or are you happy with school administrators having that kind of power over children? And I already know the answer to that question.
Realpolitik

Don’t you white supremacists enjoy that man on man action thing as you hunker down in your bunker for the coming race war? At least that is what you have led Nixon to understand about you.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-05 11:52:45

Hey hey hey, dixon – where ya been, boy? The race war never ended, dixon – read your own posts.

btw – I never thought I’d see the words dixon and understand in the same sentence.
Mike_M

“Why do you automatically believe the mother is lying?”

He’s a liberal. The government can never be wrong.

Obama should get involved here. He can say the parents acted stupidly before he knows all the facts of the case. Then the teacher and the kid can join him for a beer…since according to his doctors he isn’t missing many opportunities these days.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 11:33:43

I’ll clarify it for you, moron, THE RULES ARE WRONG, THE RULES ARE BAD, THE RULES SHOULD BE CHANGED, THE RULES SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The parents have a responsibility to teach, BUT SO DOES THE SCHOOL, and suspension is NOT TEACHING. If the school hasn’t gotten a handle on this behavior by now they are INCOMPETENT, period.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

btw – I never thought I’d see the words dixon and understand in the same sentence.
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 11:57:22

Notice you are still engaging in trolling and not bringing any facts to the table. Maybe you should log in under one of your other sckpuppet accounts here and try again.

Whats on the menu today?
whats_up

I’ll clarify it for you, moron, THE RULES ARE WRONG, THE RULES ARE BAD, THE RULES SHOULD BE CHANGED, THE RULES SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN WRITTEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Posted by bthewolf
2010-03-05 12:00:21

That may be and you are free to argue that, however YOU MUST STILL FOLLOW THE RULES UNTIL THEY ARE CHANGED.
http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

BTW, since I cannot update the post at the moment, ABC News is seemingly attempting to push the “right wing anti-government” meme, too: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/pentagon-shooter-dead-cops-hospital/story?id=10017089
Realpolitik

Whats on the menu today?
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-05 12:05:34

stan creamed pie and dixon fruit cup
whats_up

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 11:54:32

Stan,

If a certain behavior is against the rules of the school, and the child repeatedly engages in that behavior and after months of being told about the inappropriate behavior said child still engages in that behavior then yes they should be suspended. After all arent we as adults and parents supposed to teach our children about personal responsibility and that consequences have actions.
http://www.thepiratescove.us William_Teach

The kid is 6, whats_up. The kid wouldn’t know better.
whats_up

The kid is 6, whats_up. The kid wouldn’t know better.

Posted by William_Teach
2010-03-05 12:31:40

Then isnt it the responsibility of the parent to teach him? Surely you wouldnt just let your 6 year old run around the house and do whatever he wanted in the name of “play”
sabiticus

Then its the job of the parents to explain that type of “play” isnt allowed in school. The school sets the rules, if the parent doesnt like them then can always home school. However if you are going to the school, you have to follow their rules. Isnt that what conservatives allways tell us, you have to follow the rules, seriously what kind of parent allows their kids to break the rules of the institution that they are attending and then gets mad when their is punishment?
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 11:12:14

Wow, it is as if you decided to up and prove my point for me. It’s a general movement towards mindless adherence to a program largely designed to instill passivity and collective obedience.
sabiticus

YOU MUST STILL FOLLOW THE RULES UNTIL THEY ARE CHANGED.

Hey, it’s the Leftist method of government! “OBEY!”
http://arcadehomer.blogspot.com celebrim

Speaking as a parent, yes, it is my responsibility to teach him. But if the behavior is persisting out of sight, then the problem is more likely the approach of whoever has responcibility for the child when I’m not there – especially if its a young kid.

Now, generally, if my kid misbehaves, the teacher tells me, and I say, “I’ll talk to them about it when we get home.”, and the teacher understands this it mean, “I’ll explain to them that they are going to be spanked. I’ll explain to them why they will be spanked. I’ll spank them (usually quite lightly because they are little, tears aren’t even always involved). Then we’ll talk about if they understand why they were spanked. And then we’ll talk about how they should behave in the future.” Then after that the teacher usually reports to me how well behaved they are. Problem solved.

Now, if the teacher doesn’t inform me that there is a problem, the problem might well persist a long time before I step in to do something about it. Very likely, this is a result of the teacher attempting a bargaining/bribery process with the kid or with the teacher trying to resolve the process by distracting or rewarding the kid for the behavior. When you take an all carrot approach to behavior, and when you force kids to not role-play out there issues between themselves, you get this sort of behavior.

But here’s the thing, if the parent’s are taking the same approach at home, or if they are abusive, or (arguably worse) if they are neglectful, then sending the kid home to the parents is a non-solution. Maybe its supposed to teach the parents something, but it teaches a 6 year old nothing except (at best) how to get sent home when he wants to leave the situation. Teaching your kid how to escape or evade problem like this is disasterous. A six year old has no way of connecting this consequence to the behavior. Six year olds are all about immediatcy.

Now, ok, so maybe you can’t spank in every state (I’m assuming Michigan is a no corporal punishment state, which figures). I’m ok with that. I see spanking as definately something that a parent is only going to trust to themselves if anyone, but there are still appropriate ways to teach here, and this isn’t it. One size fits all solutions are exactly why the government is so inept at everything. Telling me that I have to change the rules is ridiculous. I didn’t set the rules. The government set the rules for themselves. The principals/superintendents are setting the rules. Getting the rules changed are precisely why we are ranting.

This was an inept overresponce to a minor issue. It’s being driven by boy-hating feminist agit-prop and unreasonable hysteria over ‘guns in school’. Some kid at our school brought in a 3/4″ high lego axe with his toy. They took it away as a violation of the schools weapon’s policy. No big deal, I suppose. Had they suspended the kid, I would have pulled the girls out of that school within the month (just as soon as I could set up an alternative). But while they didn’t overreact, the entire idea that playing with toy weapons is bad borders on insanity. If kids don’t intellectually understand weapons when they are safe, they won’t understand weapons when it matters. That’s how you get kids killed, or turn teenagers into irresponsible fantasists. It’s every bit as bad to enshrine weapons in a godlike status by responding to them with hysteria, as it is to create the same worshipful status by obsessing over them.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

That may be and you are free to argue that, however YOU MUST STILL FOLLOW THE RULES UNTIL THEY ARE CHANGED.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 12:17:32

Beijing.
Weather.
David Duke.
Bush.
2004.
Reconciliation.
anwatkins

This was an inept overresponce to a minor issue. It’s being driven by boy-hating feminist agit-prop and unreasonable hysteria over ‘guns in school’

Posted by celebrim
2010-03-05 12:57:42

That’s a pretty big mouthful to descrive people wanting the schools to be safe for their children.

let’s call it the frightened and envious projection of a quivering male and be done with it. Oh, yes – and hope his children are removed from his presence by the state.
sabiticus

Posted by anwatkins
2010-03-05 13:09:29

Speaking of “unreasonable hysteria”…
sabiticus

Oh, yes – and hope his children are removed from his presence by the state.
Posted by anwatkins
2010-03-05 13:09:29

Wow… See how quickly the Leftists are to jump right to the totalitarian solution?
StanInTexas

If a certain behavior is against the rules of the school, and the child repeatedly engages in that behavior and after months of being told about the inappropriate behavior said child still engages in that behavior then yes they should be suspended. After all arent we as adults and parents supposed to teach our children about personal responsibility and that consequences have actions.
Posted by whats_up 2010-03-05 12:20:20

You are still pushing the notion that the school told the child or the parents anything at all. The report says the school alledges that they have worked months on his behaviour. Even the paper finds it difficult to swallow.

Of course you, being the good little mind-numbed Liberal believe the school and blame the parents and the child. For all you know, this is an isolated incident where a child felt ‘uncomfortable’ and the school overreacted… EXACTLY AS THE MOTHER HAS SAID!

Maybe your impotent lecture about parental responsibility to their children would be better served for the parents of the other child that felt ‘uncomfortable’. There is someone who has some issues.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

He’s a liberal. The government can never be wrong.

…unless a Republican is involved, of course.
StanInTexas

That’s a pretty big mouthful to descrive people wanting the schools to be safe for their children.

Posted by anwatkins 2010-03-05 13:09:29

And suspending a child for pointing his finger made the school safer HOW?
Mike_M

“That’s a pretty big mouthful to descrive people wanting the schools to be safe for their children.”

Make a fist, extend your index finger, then your thumb. Now explain whose safety is effected by this.

(With the exception of yourself, possibly spontaneously passing out from your own colossal stupidity and poking your eye with said extended finger or thumb.)
Realpolitik

And suspending a child for pointing his finger made the school safer HOW?
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 13:21:39

Hey, stan – when you point your finger does it go up the bumhole of your scouts?
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

That may be and you are free to argue that, however YOU MUST STILL FOLLOW THE RULES UNTIL THEY ARE CHANGED.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-05 12:17:32

You do realize DUMBASS that stupid rules and even laws are MADE to be challenged, Yes I belive in the rule of law, but when the law is opprossive or just plain stupid, there is nothing wrong with challenging it. And the easist to challenge it is to break it, and make the public aware of the stupidity, until the public demands change; Kinda like THOMAS JEFFERSON did with King George.
http://arcadehomer.blogspot.com celebrim

“Speaking of “unreasonable hysteria”… ”

If we didn’t have them, we’d have to invite them.

For all my occasional eloquence, nothing ever quite so makes my point as having a liberal come defend the opposing position.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Hey, stan – when you point your finger does it go up the bumhole of your scouts?
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 13:26:56

Absolute nothing to refute the story of liberal incompetence causing this. Blatant trolling. And weak, considering you are a rabid homosexual.
Realpolitik

Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-05 13:54:05

Oh, dixon, we are all going to be so happy when you put your self-loathing aside and come out of your closet.

btw, dixon, did you read this post at all? It is a completely inconsequential tempest in the ole teacup. This is the desperate material the Right dredges up to make an attack on the Left. LOL, let me tell ya.
DrEvil

This is just another example of the emasculation and attempts to feminize American males. No conflict, no competition, everyone hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Don’t hurt anyone’s pwecious feewings. No wonder the neutured leftists support the school dropping the hammer on this normal 6 year old boy, they gave up their own manhood when they embraced the politics of the left. Go cry to your momma.

Have an Evil day
Realpolitik

Have an Evil day
Posted by DrEvil
2010-03-05 14:46:46

Awwww – did someone take the last grocery cart?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

LOL, let me tell ya.
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 14:15:19

proof would be nice. oh wait, you never bring any.
Realpolitik

proof would be nice. oh wait, you never bring any.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-05 14:55:15

dixon – the only poster here (that we know of) living in his mother’s closet.

Proof? – Proof is in the post itself – haven’t you read it?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

dixon – the only poster here (that we know of) living in his mother’s closet.

Mom is deceased. Thanks for playing, bitch.
Realpolitik

Mom is deceased. Thanks for playing, bitch.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2010-03-05 15:13:47

So, do you actually wear her dresses? And underthings?
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 13:26:56

Annswer the question. How is the school made safe by suspending this kid? What danger was posed by him pointing his finger?
Realpolitik

Annswer the question. How is the school made safe by suspending this kid? What danger was posed by him pointing his finger?
Posted by CavalierX
2010-03-05 15:29:59

In this day and age, any overt action depicting hand guns in schools has to be dealt with. Can’t be ignored.
StanInTexas

In this day and age, any overt action depicting hand guns in schools has to be dealt with. Can’t be ignored.
Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 15:39:43

So it is all based upon an irrational and cowardly fear of guns, even the non-existant type in this instance.
Realpolitik

So it is all based upon an irrational and cowardly fear of guns, even the non-existant type in this instance.
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 15:43:33

stan – tell it to all the students slaughtered in their schools over the past years

Done with guns, stan – not knives or clubs or whips or fists.
StanInTexas

stan – tell it to all the students slaughtered in their schools over the past years

Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 15:49:06

By SIX-YEAR-OLDS? Give me a break, you pussy!

There have been more students that have died as a result of playing high school football than there have been that died from school shootings. I don’t see you bitching about shoulder-pad control.
ohioan

Wow, I would have guessed this topic would garner such prolific posting.

As a reference to “curled his fist into the shape of a gun and pointed it at another [person]…” check this out:

Go to 2:37 – 2:46 in the video to see the exact same behavior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ufrcQlKt4

Anyway, this child should be protected from such complete idiocy, but, then again, this is what we have allowed the public system to become.
Realpolitik

There have been more students that have died as a result of playing high school football than there have been that died from school shootings. I don’t see you bitching about shoulder-pad control.
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 15:51:42

Apples and oranges,stan – one of your last-resort debating tactics. Plus – of course – it is a complete lie.
Hack-the-Rogue

Ok, so martha is a hoplophobe. No suprise there.

William Teach. Isn’t it time that you forwarded martha/realpolitik’s name to be banned? Hasn’t the little prick been permitted to run free long enough. Were is the line drawn? Why don’t you at the very least delete this trolling in this post? Isn’t the obcene accusations of child molestation enough?
StanInTexas

Apples and oranges,stan – one of your last-resort debating tactics. Plus – of course – it is a complete lie.
Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 15:55:26

Not a tactic at all, RP, the truth. Besides, this was not a gun, it was a child pointing his finger at another child. only a paranoid cowardly Liberal would equate that to a gun or an overt threat by a 6-year-old.
Realpolitik

Isn’t the obcene accusations of child molestation enough?
Posted by Hack-the-Rogue
2010-03-05 15:57:10

Ah, the banned prison guard comes around with its usual pet peeves.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

In this day and age, any overt action depicting hand guns in schools has to be dealt with. Can’t be ignored.

He pointed a finger. Are we supposed to ban fingers now? A kid pointed his finger. Not a gun, a finger. I ask you again, precisely what danger did that pose and to whom?
Realpolitik

Not a tactic at all, RP, the truth. Besides, this was not a gun, it was a child pointing his finger at another child. only a paranoid cowardly Liberal would equate that to a gun or an overt threat by a 6-year-old.
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 15:57:14

Not a very effective tactic, stan, but one you fall back on. Plus the deflection from the post. 0 for 2 in your debating (lol) skills (lol).
StanInTexas

Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 16:10:26

I see you are unable to handle the truth of your own cowardise and that of the school.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

tell it to all the students slaughtered in their schools over the past years

BY FINGERS?!?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

0 for 2 in your debating (lol) skills (lol).
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 16:10:26

that would mean something if you had credibility
Realpolitik

I ask you again, precisely what danger did that pose and to whom?
Posted by CavalierX
2010-03-05 16:09:54

Precisely, the acceptance of the attitude that guns in schools is allowable. That was the danger. And danger to whom – the students and teachers.
StanInTexas

the acceptance of the attitude that guns in schools is allowable. That was the danger. And danger to whom – the students and teachers.
Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 16:13:57

THERE WAS NO GUN!

Do you have to work to be this stupid?
Realpolitik

Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 16:15:37

“Attitude”, stan – you certainly have enough of it to understand the concept.
StanInTexas

Posted by Realpolitik 2010-03-05 16:21:24

So we are back to the irrational fear of something that they thought looked like a gun? You certainly going out of your way to be a prick today, RP.
Hack-the-Rogue

Like I said, martha’s idiodic comments in this thread are just typical hoplophobia.
They are as meaningless as he is…
tblrk2006

THERE WAS NO GUN!

Do you have to work to be this stupid?
Posted by StanInTexas
2010-03-05 16:15:37

You cant say bomb in an airport!
tblrk2006

Done with guns, stan – not knives or clubs or whips or fists.
Posted by Realpolitik
2010-03-05 15:49:06

This little boy used a fist and a finger. YOu and the teachers should probably mind your own business and not assume every boy is a killer. Its you liberals we have to worry about. You overstepped it this time and your being called on it.
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Precisely, the acceptance of the attitude that guns in schools is allowable. That was the danger.

There was no gun involved, imbecile. Just a scary, scary finger.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Precisely, the acceptance of the attitude that guns in schools is allowable.

Where has that been said? ANd what kind of gun was it?
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

I’d prefer the attitude where guns in school didn’t matter because everyone was familiar with their use, wise in their safety, and restrained enough they would leave them at the door to pick up later. I mean, that’s what we did on the frontier.
whats_up

Posted by bthewolf
2010-03-05 13:32:52

Ah I see, so its all about perspective. You only follow the laws that you like, typical fuckin conservative.
Hack-the-Rogue

You only follow the laws that you like, typical fuckin conservative.
Posted by whats_up
2010-03-06 01:02:53

Actually you have it backwards as usual, troll boy. It’s you braindead morons on the left who ebrace the “it’s ok to cheerfully ignore any law I happen to disagree with” mindset.

Have I told you today that you deserve to have your fingers broken with a claw hammer for trolling?
ohioan

I have to admit, when I saw 100+ posts on this thread, my initial reaction was, “Sweet Jesus, the trolls underwent binary fission (that means “reproduced”, whats_up).” So I have to admit that I was highly disappointed to see no increase in the troll population. Not directly disappointed that there weren’t any more, but indirectly since the same group garnered so many responses. Continuing in any form of direct conversation with these would be insanity since their belief is that their opinion protects them from being wrong. If their opinion can’t be wrong, then there is no basis for discussion or debate. You are only torturing yourselves b pretending otherwise.

Or can’t I say “torture” on an internet message board? Maybe we need to not “accept the attitude that torture on internet message boards is allowable. That [is] the danger. And danger to whom – the posters and readers.” (adapted from Realpolitik 2010-03-05 16:13:57)

Right Realpolitik?

Nutsack
jimb123

To wu, rp and the other leftists – if the problem is fingers which can be made into the shape of a gun I can see only two solutions:

1 – make the kids wear socks over their hands all day – hard to make the form of a gun this way;
2 – amputate all fingers and thumbs.

Both make it hard to write (or type) but at least their won’t be kids being kids.

/sarcasm
Toastrider

Maybe he was trying to cast Finger of Death.

Okay, Real, when you’re done fucking the donuts, listen carefully. I’ll try to use small words so you don’t get confused.

First off, aside from the sheer ridiculousness of suspending a six year old over finger gestures, does it not strike you as a bad idea to wrap children in bubble wrap psychologically? There have been some excellent studies about the problems with allergies, and the way to beat them is exposure to allergens at an early age so the body can develop antibodies.

Similarly, a mind needs psychological antibodies to deal with dangerous things and concepts. Guns, knives, power tools, Bill Clinton, etc. Why slap such a child down so ferociously and isolate him away from such influences? Aren’t you worried that later on, said child might be placed in a serious situation and go into vapor lock?

I know it’s terribly in vogue to want to turn schools into magically safe wonderlands where nothing bad ever happens, but it’s a pipe dream. Gun laws never stopped someone bent on violence from performing it; that’s why the whole idea of gun control is getting curbstomped. Hell, they can’t even keep guns out of the UK — which is an ISLAND.

Immunization is the key. Not isolation.

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