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Those Evil Koch Brothers Have An Awesome Highly Unionized Workforce..Wait, What?
Written By : William Teach

The Left’s current pet target….well, one of them, as Sarah Palin and the TEA Party are still high on their Bitch Meter….., the Koch brothers, have some explaining to do for why they are so evil

A number of organizations are advocating a boycott of the products that come from companies owned by the Koch family. This is problematic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it could potentially hurt the wrong people.

The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific. It is an American consumer goods company that makes everyday products like facial tissue, napkins, paper towels, paper cups and the like. Their plants are great examples of American advanced manufacturing. Incidentally,

GP makes most of its products here in America. The companys workforce is highly unionized. In fact, 80 percent of its mills are under contract with one or more labor union. It is not inaccurate to say that these are among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America.

This presents a dilemma and a paradox. While the Koch brothers are credited with advocating an agenda and groups that are clearly hostile to labor and labors agenda, the brothers company in practice and in general has positive and productive collective bargaining relationships with its unions.

Alas, this is no April Fool’s Day joke. In fact, the article, which goes on much further, is written by Jon Geenen, International President of the United Steelworkers, and published on the USW website. Mr. Geenen goes on to say that boycotting the Koch brothers’ products would not hurt them, but hurt the unionized members who make the products.

Really, the Koch brothers do not have a problem with unions: they have a problem with public sector unions. I’ve always wondered why we need unions for government employees. Unions were started to protect blue collar workers in typically dangerous and hard working conditions, like steel mills, from poor working conditions and harsh bosses/companies. Unions gave the workers in these conditions a chance to collectively bargain for better and safer working conditions, better pay, and better protection. Yet, here we have unions run by far left people who say that government is great and awesome, and is only there to benefit people, but they need a union to protect themselves from the evil government?

As stated many times, public unions serve: 1. get their employees absurd levels of benefits and pay that go far beyond the public sector, all at the expense of the American taxpayer, and b. get Democrats elected so that the members can get absurd levels of benefits and pay that go far beyond the public sector at the expense of the American taxpayer. And that needs to stop. It wasn’t that long ago when people said “you don’t go into government/teaching to make money.” We need to get back to that time, and stop fleecing the American public.

Funny how it’s the Koch brothers who are evil, not public sector teachers who send death threats.

PS: Fixed Jon’s name.

Crossed at Pirate’s Cove. Follow me on Twitter @WilliamTeach.

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  • Leo Gerard

    Again, a country club conservative who knows nothing about unions. First of all, the USW Vice President is named Jon not Joe. Try to get the basic facts right.

    Unions started as crafts guilds in Europe — not in America to improve working conditions. Public sector workers unify, elect representatives and bargain for better pay, benefits and working conditions, the same way private sector workers do. And for the same reason.

    When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps. Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps. Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks, and you conservatives bought that — for your fellow country club members. But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers.

    When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

  • Leo Gerard

    Again, a country club conservative who knows nothing about unions. First of all, the USW Vice President is named Jon not Joe. Try to get the basic facts right.

    Unions started as crafts guilds in Europe — not in America to improve working conditions. Public sector workers unify, elect representatives and bargain for better pay, benefits and working conditions, the same way private sector workers do. And for the same reason.

    When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps. Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps. Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks, and you conservatives bought that — for your fellow country club members. But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers.

    When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

  • Leo Gerard

    Again, a country club conservative who knows nothing about unions. First of all, the USW Vice President is named Jon not Joe. Try to get the basic facts right.

    Unions started as crafts guilds in Europe — not in America to improve working conditions. Public sector workers unify, elect representatives and bargain for better pay, benefits and working conditions, the same way private sector workers do. And for the same reason.

    When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps. Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps. Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks, and you conservatives bought that — for your fellow country club members. But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers.

    When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

  • Leo Gerard

    Again, a country club conservative who knows nothing about unions. First of all, the USW Vice President is named Jon not Joe. Try to get the basic facts right.

    Unions started as crafts guilds in Europe — not in America to improve working conditions. Public sector workers unify, elect representatives and bargain for better pay, benefits and working conditions, the same way private sector workers do. And for the same reason.

    When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps. Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps. Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks, and you conservatives bought that — for your fellow country club members. But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers.

    When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

    • http://www.thepiratescove.us/ William_Teach

      If that’s better for American school children, then why do they continuously score lower than school children in other countries? We spend an enormous amount of money on schools, yet they are turning out students who cannot pass a basic job interview, nor hold an adult conversation.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Oh look a union goon, trying to claim a working man is ‘country club’! Next you’ll be claiming Education is improving in the US despite all evidence to the contrary.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Oh look a union goon, trying to claim a working man is ‘country club’! Next you’ll be claiming Education is improving in the US despite all evidence to the contrary.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “When I was in high school, my social studies teacher’s family was on food stamps”

      What year was this?
      How large was this family?
      How many people in this family worked?
      Are you sure that this class was social studies and not socialism indoc 101?
      How did you find out? For it seems really strange that a teacher would tell this to a bunch of HS students.

    • Anonymous

      “Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks… But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers”

      It is against union rules to pay based upon performance and talent, so many high performing and talented teachers are treated exactly the same as really bad teachers.
      Unlike on wall street, it is nearly impossible to fire bad teachers so “we” (the taxpayers) get stuck with them and paying a lot.

      Easy enough to fix, we just need to introduce competition on the teacher level, where the bad will be gone – the good will stay.

      I have no problem with good teachers being paid well and great teachers being payed very well. To follow along those lines, we should not be paying bad teachers at all.

      I do like how you try to equate a justification of socialism to a purely free market example, which do you want? For you can not have both.

    • Anonymous

      “Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks… But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers”

      It is against union rules to pay based upon performance and talent, so many high performing and talented teachers are treated exactly the same as really bad teachers.
      Unlike on wall street, it is nearly impossible to fire bad teachers so “we” (the taxpayers) get stuck with them and paying a lot.

      Easy enough to fix, we just need to introduce competition on the teacher level, where the bad will be gone – the good will stay.

      I have no problem with good teachers being paid well and great teachers being payed very well. To follow along those lines, we should not be paying bad teachers at all.

      I do like how you try to equate a justification of socialism to a purely free market example, which do you want? For you can not have both.

    • Anonymous

      “Wall Street argued that it could not attract the best and brightest without paying billions in bonus bucks… But somehow you don’t think that applies to middle class public service workers”

      It is against union rules to pay based upon performance and talent, so many high performing and talented teachers are treated exactly the same as really bad teachers.
      Unlike on wall street, it is nearly impossible to fire bad teachers so “we” (the taxpayers) get stuck with them and paying a lot.

      Easy enough to fix, we just need to introduce competition on the teacher level, where the bad will be gone – the good will stay.

      I have no problem with good teachers being paid well and great teachers being payed very well. To follow along those lines, we should not be paying bad teachers at all.

      I do like how you try to equate a justification of socialism to a purely free market example, which do you want? For you can not have both.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, clearly you got a poor education.

      Introduce competition into public sector services and your argument might hold water. Government holds a monopoly on nearly all the services it provides, so it didn’t take long for unions to realize that it was a nice arrangement to donate heavily to the politicians that negotiated their contracts.

      Politicians and union bosses take more and more, and expect that taxpayer to just cough it up. State budgets are collapsing, and unions are pretending paying 10% for their health care is a human rights violation and will put them in the streets.

      It’s all about greed and power.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, clearly you got a poor education.

      Introduce competition into public sector services and your argument might hold water. Government holds a monopoly on nearly all the services it provides, so it didn’t take long for unions to realize that it was a nice arrangement to donate heavily to the politicians that negotiated their contracts.

      Politicians and union bosses take more and more, and expect that taxpayer to just cough it up. State budgets are collapsing, and unions are pretending paying 10% for their health care is a human rights violation and will put them in the streets.

      It’s all about greed and power.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, clearly you got a poor education.

      Introduce competition into public sector services and your argument might hold water. Government holds a monopoly on nearly all the services it provides, so it didn’t take long for unions to realize that it was a nice arrangement to donate heavily to the politicians that negotiated their contracts.

      Politicians and union bosses take more and more, and expect that taxpayer to just cough it up. State budgets are collapsing, and unions are pretending paying 10% for their health care is a human rights violation and will put them in the streets.

      It’s all about greed and power.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, clearly you got a poor education.

      Introduce competition into public sector services and your argument might hold water. Government holds a monopoly on nearly all the services it provides, so it didn’t take long for unions to realize that it was a nice arrangement to donate heavily to the politicians that negotiated their contracts.

      Politicians and union bosses take more and more, and expect that taxpayer to just cough it up. State budgets are collapsing, and unions are pretending paying 10% for their health care is a human rights violation and will put them in the streets.

      It’s all about greed and power.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, clearly you got a poor education.

      Introduce competition into public sector services and your argument might hold water. Government holds a monopoly on nearly all the services it provides, so it didn’t take long for unions to realize that it was a nice arrangement to donate heavily to the politicians that negotiated their contracts.

      Politicians and union bosses take more and more, and expect that taxpayer to just cough it up. State budgets are collapsing, and unions are pretending paying 10% for their health care is a human rights violation and will put them in the streets.

      It’s all about greed and power.

    • Martin Hale

      Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps.

      How nice of you to intentionally hyper-polemicise the issue. Prior to teachers unions, I’d warrant that very, very few teachers earned so little that they qualified for food stamps. So isn’t couching your sentiment in terms of poor teachers unable to afford food, just a bit of over-wrought and over-dramatised exaggeration? I think it is.

      But on to the issue of attracting the best and the brightest. I’ve been a senior leader in HR since the late 1980′s and I’ve held accountability for the recruitment function in several large organisations. I can tell you categorically, that the best and the brightest aren’t generally attracted to unionised positions, with the exception of some of the trades – and even there, the best and the brightest tend to gravitate toward entrepreneurial opportunities where their knowledge, skills and abilities are likely to make them real money. Because the best and the brightest tend to a) know who they are, and b) prefer to be judged on their own individual merits.

      As examples, the best and brightest plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc. aren’t going to come work for your unionised company – either they’ll set up their own shops, or they’ll go to work for a non-union competitor of yours where their expertise is more likely to be well-rewarded based on merit. Which leaves you recruiting middle of the pack to slightly above and below average performers. The best and the brightest tend to not even bother applying,

      The issue is that unions favour those employees who are “behind the curve” on performance because they can ride on the coattails of those who perform “ahead of the curve”. One obvious result is that those who’re more productive, more creative, more risk-taking than the average employee are forced to accept rewards which are well behind what they might make were they left to their own devices.

      Unions promote and venerate the idea of that people should be mediocre (using the meaning of mediocre as being neither good nor bad), middle of the pack, average. They’re diametrically opposed to the idea of meritocracy and individual recognition. Which is why the best and the brightest will never be attracted to union represented positions and union dominated occupations in great numbers.

      When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

      Better? If teacher’s unions are better for American school children, then why are American students falling progressively further back in the pack in performance when compared with students around the world on basic educational measures?

      That fact stands in direct contravention to your hypothesis.

      Graduation rates are abysmal in many large school districts; competence in basic reading, writing, math and science have fallen so precipitously that all universities have had to implement remedial courses in those subjects to bring high school grads up to a level of basic competency. Those aren’t the hallmarks of advancement in education performance.

      That “devolution” of American students into second-rate performers has happened almost entirely since teachers unionised. That may be a coincidence of time, but if unions were indeed made up of the best and the brightest, why haven’t they led the way in developing effective strategies to counteract the decline? If unions were so good for students, why, pray tell, do we rank as low as we do on some many assessments of educational competence and why are we still declining?

      Increased pay for teachers and decreased class size have not stopped the decline in actual performance of the “product” of education, has it?

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

        • Martin Hale

          Spikey – I used Mr. Gerard’s profile to link back to the only other site he’s used Disqus to post to, and found an article he’d written at AlterNet. In the bio blurb at the bottom I found the following – “Leo W. Gerard is the international president of the United Steelworkers union.”

          So he’s the leader for the union which is the poster child for having destroyed a whole industry and which contributed to one of the first major losses of jobs in the modern era. And he’s graced our midst to come preach the stale old union way to us peons.

          BTW, the article he’d posted @ AlterNet was pure, unadulterated class warfare tripe.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • TheDarkKnight

            Why would he be? He’s too full of himself and his bullshit to bother..

            More likely that he is patting himself on the back and regaling his fellow “workers” with how he really gave it to those “country club republicans”.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

          • Anonymous

            Nice Martin, Ty for the info.

            It is very sad what happened to the American steel industry.

            BTW: I go on Alternet a bit to debate in the economics section, kinda fun, for there are a lot of stupid people; finite money, socialism, etc…

            I’ll keep my eye open for him and blast away.

            Again, I do not think he will be back to defend his post.

        • Martin Hale

          Spikey – I used Mr. Gerard’s profile to link back to the only other site he’s used Disqus to post to, and found an article he’d written at AlterNet. In the bio blurb at the bottom I found the following – “Leo W. Gerard is the international president of the United Steelworkers union.”

          So he’s the leader for the union which is the poster child for having destroyed a whole industry and which contributed to one of the first major losses of jobs in the modern era. And he’s graced our midst to come preach the stale old union way to us peons.

          BTW, the article he’d posted @ AlterNet was pure, unadulterated class warfare tripe.

        • Martin Hale

          Spikey – I used Mr. Gerard’s profile to link back to the only other site he’s used Disqus to post to, and found an article he’d written at AlterNet. In the bio blurb at the bottom I found the following – “Leo W. Gerard is the international president of the United Steelworkers union.”

          So he’s the leader for the union which is the poster child for having destroyed a whole industry and which contributed to one of the first major losses of jobs in the modern era. And he’s graced our midst to come preach the stale old union way to us peons.

          BTW, the article he’d posted @ AlterNet was pure, unadulterated class warfare tripe.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

      • Anonymous

        LOL, Martin – he won’t be back to defend his post – very typical of a liberal to abandon it.

      • TheDarkKnight

        Outstanding Martin.

      • TheDarkKnight

        Outstanding Martin.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

        • Anonymous

          It is a great post – my vote for the best of the week.

    • Martin Hale

      Frankly, I don’t think schools will attract the best and brightest to be teachers if they’ll earn so little money their families will have to subsist on food stamps.

      How nice of you to intentionally hyper-polemicise the issue. Prior to teachers unions, I’d warrant that very, very few teachers earned so little that they qualified for food stamps. So isn’t couching your sentiment in terms of poor teachers unable to afford food, just a bit of over-wrought and over-dramatised exaggeration? I think it is.

      But on to the issue of attracting the best and the brightest. I’ve been a senior leader in HR since the late 1980′s and I’ve held accountability for the recruitment function in several large organisations. I can tell you categorically, that the best and the brightest aren’t generally attracted to unionised positions, with the exception of some of the trades – and even there, the best and the brightest tend to gravitate toward entrepreneurial opportunities where their knowledge, skills and abilities are likely to make them real money. Because the best and the brightest tend to a) know who they are, and b) prefer to be judged on their own individual merits.

      As examples, the best and brightest plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc. aren’t going to come work for your unionised company – either they’ll set up their own shops, or they’ll go to work for a non-union competitor of yours where their expertise is more likely to be well-rewarded based on merit. Which leaves you recruiting middle of the pack to slightly above and below average performers. The best and the brightest tend to not even bother applying,

      The issue is that unions favour those employees who are “behind the curve” on performance because they can ride on the coattails of those who perform “ahead of the curve”. One obvious result is that those who’re more productive, more creative, more risk-taking than the average employee are forced to accept rewards which are well behind what they might make were they left to their own devices.

      Unions promote and venerate the idea of that people should be mediocre (using the meaning of mediocre as being neither good nor bad), middle of the pack, average. They’re diametrically opposed to the idea of meritocracy and individual recognition. Which is why the best and the brightest will never be attracted to union represented positions and union dominated occupations in great numbers.

      When I graduated, the teachers had not unified to bargain with their employer. Now they have and pay has improved, and class sizes are smaller. That’s all better for American school children.

      Better? If teacher’s unions are better for American school children, then why are American students falling progressively further back in the pack in performance when compared with students around the world on basic educational measures?

      That fact stands in direct contravention to your hypothesis.

      Graduation rates are abysmal in many large school districts; competence in basic reading, writing, math and science have fallen so precipitously that all universities have had to implement remedial courses in those subjects to bring high school grads up to a level of basic competency. Those aren’t the hallmarks of advancement in education performance.

      That “devolution” of American students into second-rate performers has happened almost entirely since teachers unionised. That may be a coincidence of time, but if unions were indeed made up of the best and the brightest, why haven’t they led the way in developing effective strategies to counteract the decline? If unions were so good for students, why, pray tell, do we rank as low as we do on some many assessments of educational competence and why are we still declining?

      Increased pay for teachers and decreased class size have not stopped the decline in actual performance of the “product” of education, has it?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the left will hate the Koch brothers enough that one day they might move their factories to another country, then the left will hate them some more for taking the jobs away.

    It’s hard to regard liberals as more than animals these days. They express blind rage toward any and everything that doesn’t play their collectivist and elitist game, and it’s beyond tiresome. The double standards, the hypocrisy. With the alternative media now strong enough to tell the truth about what they say, people realize that Oceania has not always been at war with Eurasia.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the left will hate the Koch brothers enough that one day they might move their factories to another country, then the left will hate them some more for taking the jobs away.

    It’s hard to regard liberals as more than animals these days. They express blind rage toward any and everything that doesn’t play their collectivist and elitist game, and it’s beyond tiresome. The double standards, the hypocrisy. With the alternative media now strong enough to tell the truth about what they say, people realize that Oceania has not always been at war with Eurasia.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the left will hate the Koch brothers enough that one day they might move their factories to another country, then the left will hate them some more for taking the jobs away.

    It’s hard to regard liberals as more than animals these days. They express blind rage toward any and everything that doesn’t play their collectivist and elitist game, and it’s beyond tiresome. The double standards, the hypocrisy. With the alternative media now strong enough to tell the truth about what they say, people realize that Oceania has not always been at war with Eurasia.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, the left will hate the Koch brothers enough that one day they might move their factories to another country, then the left will hate them some more for taking the jobs away.

    It’s hard to regard liberals as more than animals these days. They express blind rage toward any and everything that doesn’t play their collectivist and elitist game, and it’s beyond tiresome. The double standards, the hypocrisy. With the alternative media now strong enough to tell the truth about what they say, people realize that Oceania has not always been at war with Eurasia.

  • Anonymous

    So why shouldn’t public sector employees have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector employees? One reason.

    In Sweden’s social democratic system, half of the workers are employed in the public sector, half in the private sector. 89% of all workers have union representation. It seems to work out fine.

    Hating unions is the equivalent of hating working people. Is this what the right wing is all about?

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

      • Anonymous

        Wolf, you have a small grasp of history. Unions made you and the middle class possible. It’s just ingratitude if not greed to not praise them for their role in building the middle class.

        Nonunion workers are paid less, sometimes only half, of what unionized workers are paid for the same work and skills. So, if you ever worked, you have unions to thank for your being able to support your family and maybe even send your kids to college.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Unions didn’t make the middle class you ignorant twit. The middle class in the US has been around since the 1600s. You’re a fucking tool if you don’t realize that simple bit of history.

          Non-union workers don’t always make less and often when they do the difference is offset by what the union member pays in dues. And unions did nothing for the industry I work in never have never will.

          I support myself and put myself through college and my folks were firmly middle-class. So take classest ignorant BS and go back to grade school. It’s obvious by your lack of knowledge you haven’t learned more than the average 3rd Grader.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Unions didn’t make the middle class you ignorant twit. The middle class in the US has been around since the 1600s. You’re a fucking tool if you don’t realize that simple bit of history.

          Non-union workers don’t always make less and often when they do the difference is offset by what the union member pays in dues. And unions did nothing for the industry I work in never have never will.

          I support myself and put myself through college and my folks were firmly middle-class. So take classest ignorant BS and go back to grade school. It’s obvious by your lack of knowledge you haven’t learned more than the average 3rd Grader.

        • Anonymous

          No they didn’t. Unions are basically organized arms of organized crime and the Democratic Party Joe.

          You are high mighty early today Nixon sees.

        • Anonymous

          No they didn’t. Unions are basically organized arms of organized crime and the Democratic Party Joe.

          You are high mighty early today Nixon sees.

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

        • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

          Stop it with that idiotic talking point. The middle class existed before unions and created them. Good lord you guys will just repeat and puke the stupidest, most historically false crap you’re spooned, won’t you?

      • Anonymous

        Wolf, you have a small grasp of history. Unions made you and the middle class possible. It’s just ingratitude if not greed to not praise them for their role in building the middle class.

        Nonunion workers are paid less, sometimes only half, of what unionized workers are paid for the same work and skills. So, if you ever worked, you have unions to thank for your being able to support your family and maybe even send your kids to college.

      • Anonymous

        Tea Partiers spell it “moran.” Catch up.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Nor leftist plants trying make Tea Partiers look stupid do that.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Nor leftist plants trying make Tea Partiers look stupid do that.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Nor leftist plants trying make Tea Partiers look stupid do that.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Nor leftist plants trying make Tea Partiers look stupid do that.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Nor leftist plants trying make Tea Partiers look stupid do that.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

    • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

      Shut up moron. Since so few working people in the US actually work for unions your argument is just plain BS. We don’t hate working people we ARE working people, we hate unions that siphon our paychecks to support Dems that do nothing to improve our lives socially or economically.

    • Anonymous

      1. Why should a government employee be allowed to strike against the government.

      2. Very few private sector employees have or want collective bargaining rights about 12%, why should be individuals be forced to accept what someone else bargains for you.

      For more examples just ask.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          No socialist service is essential.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          No socialist service is essential.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          No socialist service is essential.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          No socialist service is essential.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, because they are paid by the taxpayers.

          “one of us” no child, we are not sockpuppets. you are.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, because they are paid by the taxpayers.

          “one of us” no child, we are not sockpuppets. you are.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, because they are paid by the taxpayers.

          “one of us” no child, we are not sockpuppets. you are.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, because they are paid by the taxpayers.

          “one of us” no child, we are not sockpuppets. you are.

        • Anonymous

          Nope, because they are paid by the taxpayers.

          “one of us” no child, we are not sockpuppets. you are.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

        • Anonymous

          The govt doesnt shut down…..your buying your parties own lies used to try and scare people suposudly stupider than you.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

      • Anonymous

        Government workers cannot strike because it might shut down the government and cut-off essential liberal-socialist services it provides to our people. And yes, you’re one of us too.

      • Anonymous

        PS: I said you are one of us. However, no one can force you to take advantage of liberal-socialist democratic services. For example, you can refuse unemployment benefits, government provided skills retraining, social security, Medicare, government guaranteed business and home loans, and so many, many others we enjoy.

        Nobody’s twisting your arm.

      • Anonymous

        PS: I said you are one of us. However, no one can force you to take advantage of liberal-socialist democratic services. For example, you can refuse unemployment benefits, government provided skills retraining, social security, Medicare, government guaranteed business and home loans, and so many, many others we enjoy.

        Nobody’s twisting your arm.

        • Anonymous

          none of those items are socialistic. Really, how long will you peddle your lies?

          • Anonymous

            Ha.

          • Anonymous

            Ha.

          • Anonymous

            Ha.

          • Anonymous

            Ha.

        • Anonymous

          none of those items are socialistic. Really, how long will you peddle your lies?

        • Anonymous

          none of those items are socialistic. Really, how long will you peddle your lies?

        • Anonymous

          none of those items are socialistic. Really, how long will you peddle your lies?

        • Anonymous

          none of those items are socialistic. Really, how long will you peddle your lies?

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          I always have and I always will! I don’t want to mooch off others.

          • Anonymous

            Believe me there is no free lunch. We pay for everything we get in benefits and security provided through government programs, so you are not a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            So your unemployment benefits and welfare checks were paid for by other people. Yep, you are a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            So your unemployment benefits and welfare checks were paid for by other people. Yep, you are a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            So your unemployment benefits and welfare checks were paid for by other people. Yep, you are a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            So your unemployment benefits and welfare checks were paid for by other people. Yep, you are a mooch.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            Yes we do, but I still won’t take it. I refuse to rely on the largess of others or the approve of the theft of my wages even tacitly.

          • Anonymous

            Believe me there is no free lunch. We pay for everything we get in benefits and security provided through government programs, so you are not a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            Believe me there is no free lunch. We pay for everything we get in benefits and security provided through government programs, so you are not a mooch.

          • Anonymous

            Well now if you can talk your fellow Republicans and TEa Partiers into doing the same thing, our deficit and national debt problems would be solved. Only I have not seen many of them out there advocating for refusing to accept government run benefits.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            No because they want to keep you from getting them too, oh jobless basement dwelling troll.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            No because they want to keep you from getting them too, oh jobless basement dwelling troll.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            No because they want to keep you from getting them too, oh jobless basement dwelling troll.

          • Anonymous

            Well now if you can talk your fellow Republicans and TEa Partiers into doing the same thing, our deficit and national debt problems would be solved. Only I have not seen many of them out there advocating for refusing to accept government run benefits.

          • Anonymous

            Well now if you can talk your fellow Republicans and TEa Partiers into doing the same thing, our deficit and national debt problems would be solved. Only I have not seen many of them out there advocating for refusing to accept government run benefits.

          • Anonymous

            Well now if you can talk your fellow Republicans and TEa Partiers into doing the same thing, our deficit and national debt problems would be solved. Only I have not seen many of them out there advocating for refusing to accept government run benefits.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          I always have and I always will! I don’t want to mooch off others.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          I always have and I always will! I don’t want to mooch off others.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          I always have and I always will! I don’t want to mooch off others.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

        • Anonymous

          Lie: Unions force you to.

    • Anonymous

      since you don’t work, it’s ok to hate you, sockpuppet.

    • Anonymous

      since you don’t work, it’s ok to hate you, sockpuppet.

    • Anonymous

      since you don’t work, it’s ok to hate you, sockpuppet.

    • Anonymous

      since you don’t work, it’s ok to hate you, sockpuppet.

    • Anonymous

      Sweden…really….thats the best you have? Sweden is a fraction of the population of the USA. Sweden is also NOT a true socialist country. They have plenty of aristocracy bub.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          liberal – socialist on the way to communist.

          Your icon Karl Marx would agree that socialism is just a stepping stone to communism.

        • Anonymous

          To qualify for VA medical you actually have to serve this country – like me and trench have done.

          Unlike you who actually takes away from it.

          Then depending on; where, when, and how you served our VA benefits could be; free to varying degrees of costs to nothing at all.

          The VA system is in no way socialist, for just to qualify, we had to serve our country in the military, and many of us got injured in the process.

          So STFU and drop the VA from your talking points.

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, I never said I use the VA I have my own insurance.

            On another point – I paid for VA benefits through service to this country.

            So FOAD Toad.

          • Anonymous

            SPikey, I tried to be kind to you. BUT….your lifetime VA benefits come from the government, the taxpayers, in fact, and it is no less socialized for that reason. May I ask: should disabled people who did not serve in the military be denied benefits through social security and medicare because they did not earn them?

          • Anonymous

            Easy: The difference is forced and choice.

            Social security and medicare are forced upon the taxpayers.

          • Anonymous

            Easy: The difference is forced and choice.

            Social security and medicare are forced upon the taxpayers.

          • Anonymous

            Easy: The difference is forced and choice.

            Social security and medicare are forced upon the taxpayers.

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            So you’re eating off the government teat, is that right?

            Hawkins, you were going great, but now these partial comments shown, not so good,

          • Anonymous

            I would be the last person to begrudge you your rightful medical benefits. But still, those benefits come from the government and they will continue throughout your life. I honor your service and hope that, unlike Wolf, you will make use of them, if only out of understanding that you deserve them.

            Likewise, I do not begrudge the elderly or the disabled who receive medical care through the Medicare program. They paid for those benefits throughout their working lives through payroll deductions and it is not as if it is a gift from the government.

            We are the government. It is not some fantasy land where elves print money and then throw it down upon us.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

          • Anonymous

            I do not use VA benefits. I pay for my own insurance, so that those in the VA that “need” services have the ability to use them.

            And, I paid for my VA benefits through my service to this country.

        • Anonymous

          To qualify for VA medical you actually have to serve this country – like me and trench have done.

          Unlike you who actually takes away from it.

          Then depending on; where, when, and how you served our VA benefits could be; free to varying degrees of costs to nothing at all.

          The VA system is in no way socialist, for just to qualify, we had to serve our country in the military, and many of us got injured in the process.

          So STFU and drop the VA from your talking points.

        • Anonymous

          To qualify for VA medical you actually have to serve this country – like me and trench have done.

          Unlike you who actually takes away from it.

          Then depending on; where, when, and how you served our VA benefits could be; free to varying degrees of costs to nothing at all.

          The VA system is in no way socialist, for just to qualify, we had to serve our country in the military, and many of us got injured in the process.

          So STFU and drop the VA from your talking points.

        • Anonymous

          To qualify for VA medical you actually have to serve this country – like me and trench have done.

          Unlike you who actually takes away from it.

          Then depending on; where, when, and how you served our VA benefits could be; free to varying degrees of costs to nothing at all.

          The VA system is in no way socialist, for just to qualify, we had to serve our country in the military, and many of us got injured in the process.

          So STFU and drop the VA from your talking points.

        • Anonymous

          To qualify for VA medical you actually have to serve this country – like me and trench have done.

          Unlike you who actually takes away from it.

          Then depending on; where, when, and how you served our VA benefits could be; free to varying degrees of costs to nothing at all.

          The VA system is in no way socialist, for just to qualify, we had to serve our country in the military, and many of us got injured in the process.

          So STFU and drop the VA from your talking points.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Socialism = lite communism their is no accepted definition of either that doesn’t prove this.

          • Anonymous

            As I said, “less cerebral”.

          • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

            socialism? ?
            [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
            3.
            (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

            IE SOCIALISM = COMMUNISM LITE

            Gee I was right and you’re “less cerebral!!” Thanks for proving you’re the idiot here, AGAIN!

          • Anonymous

            As I said, “less cerebral”.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Socialism = lite communism their is no accepted definition of either that doesn’t prove this.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Socialism = lite communism their is no accepted definition of either that doesn’t prove this.

        • http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

          Socialism = lite communism their is no accepted definition of either that doesn’t prove this.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          joebritton = dumb commie

          joebritton = dreams he was as smart as he claims to be

          joebritton = has to be smug and profess superiority because he has the mind of a feeble child

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          joebritton = dumb commie

          joebritton = dreams he was as smart as he claims to be

          joebritton = has to be smug and profess superiority because he has the mind of a feeble child

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Sweden is just where it wants to be: liberal-socialist like the US, only more so as we don’t have a government run single payer medical system (except for Medicare and the VA medical system).

        I don’t know what your definition of “socialist” is, but like many on this site, it is incorrectly equated with communism. That is a false equation, but it hasn’t stopped the less cerebral from making it.

      • Anonymous

        Funny as small as it is Sweden has a social security system; as large as it is, the USA has a social security system, plus Medicare and other “socialist” protections. They all work fine. The population argument, ergo, does not work.

        We are working at it, the last increment being Obamacare. But we will eventually have a liberal-socialist system that will rival Sweden.

        And in our system, you will not be forced to eat ledefisk against your will. It will be perfect. Don’t worry. You’ll like it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          Are you completely incapable of comprehending cultural differences, cost/benefit ratios and overall freedom values?

          Wait… I’m talking to a lieberal… of course you can’t.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          Are you completely incapable of comprehending cultural differences, cost/benefit ratios and overall freedom values?

          Wait… I’m talking to a lieberal… of course you can’t.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          “Don’t worry. You’ll like it. ”

          Spoken like a true illiterate communist thug dictator……

          Why dont you just move to Cuba or North Korea and live in THOSE UTOPIAS intead of trying to force feed you idiocy on a country that WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A SOCIALIST FAILURE LIKE ALL THE OTHERS you little marxist worm!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          “Don’t worry. You’ll like it. ”

          Spoken like a true illiterate communist thug dictator……

          Why dont you just move to Cuba or North Korea and live in THOSE UTOPIAS intead of trying to force feed you idiocy on a country that WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A SOCIALIST FAILURE LIKE ALL THE OTHERS you little marxist worm!

      • Anonymous

        Funny as small as it is Sweden has a social security system; as large as it is, the USA has a social security system, plus Medicare and other “socialist” protections. They all work fine. The population argument, ergo, does not work.

        We are working at it, the last increment being Obamacare. But we will eventually have a liberal-socialist system that will rival Sweden.

        And in our system, you will not be forced to eat ledefisk against your will. It will be perfect. Don’t worry. You’ll like it.

      • Anonymous

        Funny as small as it is Sweden has a social security system; as large as it is, the USA has a social security system, plus Medicare and other “socialist” protections. They all work fine. The population argument, ergo, does not work.

        We are working at it, the last increment being Obamacare. But we will eventually have a liberal-socialist system that will rival Sweden.

        And in our system, you will not be forced to eat ledefisk against your will. It will be perfect. Don’t worry. You’ll like it.

      • Anonymous

        Funny as small as it is Sweden has a social security system; as large as it is, the USA has a social security system, plus Medicare and other “socialist” protections. They all work fine. The population argument, ergo, does not work.

        We are working at it, the last increment being Obamacare. But we will eventually have a liberal-socialist system that will rival Sweden.

        And in our system, you will not be forced to eat ledefisk against your will. It will be perfect. Don’t worry. You’ll like it.

    • Anonymous

      Sweden…really….thats the best you have? Sweden is a fraction of the population of the USA. Sweden is also NOT a true socialist country. They have plenty of aristocracy bub.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      So why shouldn’t public sector employees have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector employees?

      I can give you a half dozen reasons, but you wouldn’t care if God Himself showed up and told you.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

      • Anonymous

        Bring Him on.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      So why shouldn’t public sector employees have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector employees?

      I can give you a half dozen reasons, but you wouldn’t care if God Himself showed up and told you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Remind me again how many countries Sweden has liberated?

      Remind me how much money/foreign aid Sweden sends to the U.N. and the other nations.

      Remind me again what the population and land mass comparison is?

      Remind me again what the difference is between a Constitutional Republic and a Monarchy is?

      Now that I’m done pointing out how totally idiotic your comparison of America to Sweeden is let’s look at how intelectually vacant and mentally challenged your other dumb statements are….

      Because your so vacant mentally I’ll be quick:

      It is not my desire to PAY the lavish benifits and heathcare of some lazy commie on the public dole who:

      CANT Teach but would rather lie about being sick
      CANT Compete for a job without help & protection
      CANT Answer do their job without sending you to 500 other departments: Like the DMV, Post Office, Medicare, Social Security, Veterans Affairs, Tribal councils, FDA, ATF, FBI, BLM, and on and on it goes moron!!!

      The more you prattle on the more dumb you sound which just proves you’re just another idiot commie who hates America and knows nothing about anything.

      • Anonymous

        And your point was…????

      • Anonymous

        And your point was…????

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          That you’re an idiot.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          That you’re an idiot.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          That you’re an idiot.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

          That you’re an idiot.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Comparisons of America & Sweeden are utterly ridiculous which you lack the mental power to grasp aparently.

          Government workers in almost every case are utterly worthess and would never be employed without the heavy hand of government. Which you also are aparently to dense to comprehend.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

          Comparisons of America & Sweeden are utterly ridiculous which you lack the mental power to grasp aparently.

          Government workers in almost every case are utterly worthess and would never be employed without the heavy hand of government. Which you also are aparently to dense to comprehend.

      • Anonymous

        And your point was…????

      • Anonymous

        And your point was…????

      • Anonymous

        And your point was…????

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Remind me again how many countries Sweden has liberated?

      Remind me how much money/foreign aid Sweden sends to the U.N. and the other nations.

      Remind me again what the population and land mass comparison is?

      Remind me again what the difference is between a Constitutional Republic and a Monarchy is?

      Now that I’m done pointing out how totally idiotic your comparison of America to Sweeden is let’s look at how intelectually vacant and mentally challenged your other dumb statements are….

      Because your so vacant mentally I’ll be quick:

      It is not my desire to PAY the lavish benifits and heathcare of some lazy commie on the public dole who:

      CANT Teach but would rather lie about being sick
      CANT Compete for a job without help & protection
      CANT Answer do their job without sending you to 500 other departments: Like the DMV, Post Office, Medicare, Social Security, Veterans Affairs, Tribal councils, FDA, ATF, FBI, BLM, and on and on it goes moron!!!

      The more you prattle on the more dumb you sound which just proves you’re just another idiot commie who hates America and knows nothing about anything.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Remind me again how many countries Sweden has liberated?

      Remind me how much money/foreign aid Sweden sends to the U.N. and the other nations.

      Remind me again what the population and land mass comparison is?

      Remind me again what the difference is between a Constitutional Republic and a Monarchy is?

      Now that I’m done pointing out how totally idiotic your comparison of America to Sweeden is let’s look at how intelectually vacant and mentally challenged your other dumb statements are….

      Because your so vacant mentally I’ll be quick:

      It is not my desire to PAY the lavish benifits and heathcare of some lazy commie on the public dole who:

      CANT Teach but would rather lie about being sick
      CANT Compete for a job without help & protection
      CANT Answer do their job without sending you to 500 other departments: Like the DMV, Post Office, Medicare, Social Security, Veterans Affairs, Tribal councils, FDA, ATF, FBI, BLM, and on and on it goes moron!!!

      The more you prattle on the more dumb you sound which just proves you’re just another idiot commie who hates America and knows nothing about anything.

  • Anonymous

    So why shouldn’t public sector employees have the same collective bargaining rights as private sector employees? One reason.

    In Sweden’s social democratic system, half of the workers are employed in the public sector, half in the private sector. 89% of all workers have union representation. It seems to work out fine.

    Hating unions is the equivalent of hating working people. Is this what the right wing is all about?

  • Anonymous
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  • Anonymous

    Just in. And this goes beyond the Koch brothers.

    “NEW YORK (By Matthew Goldstein)

    The richest 25 hedge fund managers made a bit less money last year.

    But don’t cry too hard. Collectively, this privileged class of traders did quite well for itself — raking in some $22 billion in compensation, according to AR Magazine.”

    Don’t cry you greedy bastards; we’re all in the same rip off fix.

  • Anonymous

    Just in. And this goes beyond the Koch brothers.

    “NEW YORK (By Matthew Goldstein)

    The richest 25 hedge fund managers made a bit less money last year.

    But don’t cry too hard. Collectively, this privileged class of traders did quite well for itself — raking in some $22 billion in compensation, according to AR Magazine.”

    Don’t cry you greedy bastards; we’re all in the same rip off fix.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, they really worked hard.
      They handle tons of money on a daily basis. This money was handed over to them, to manage voluntarily, with all costs and risks being divulged.
      I applaud them – good job guys – keep it up.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, they really worked hard.
      They handle tons of money on a daily basis. This money was handed over to them, to manage voluntarily, with all costs and risks being divulged.
      I applaud them – good job guys – keep it up.

    • Anonymous

      Wow, they really worked hard.
      They handle tons of money on a daily basis. This money was handed over to them, to manage voluntarily, with all costs and risks being divulged.
      I applaud them – good job guys – keep it up.

  • Anonymous

    Just in. And this goes beyond the Koch brothers.

    “NEW YORK (By Matthew Goldstein)

    The richest 25 hedge fund managers made a bit less money last year.

    But don’t cry too hard. Collectively, this privileged class of traders did quite well for itself — raking in some $22 billion in compensation, according to AR Magazine.”

    Don’t cry you greedy bastards; we’re all in the same rip off fix.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘Unions were started to protect blue collar workers in typically dangerous and hard working conditions, like steel mills, from poor working conditions and harsh bosses/companies.’

    Actually that’s not even remotely correct, but historical accuracy has never been one of the right’s strong points.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

      “That is totally correct, and I’m an idiot for thinking differently.”

      Fixed your statement for you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

      “That is totally correct, and I’m an idiot for thinking differently.”

      Fixed your statement for you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Wow! That’s almost a leval of idiocy that’s prepubecant, considering your a typically dumb liberal I’ll overlook it.

      The “unions” were first organized as a result of the triangle fire in the 1900′s because a sweatshop burned down you dolt.

      That fire lead to the organized labor cancer that eventually crippled and destroyed EVERY single industry it infected with it’s insane benifits packages by driving companies right out of America.

      I realize you have never heard any of this since you didnt get the memo from the other retards running media matters but you’re a commie and inteligence just doesn’t suit you … DOES IT!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michelle-Hart/100001365605444 Michelle Hart

      Wow! That’s almost a leval of idiocy that’s prepubecant, considering your a typically dumb liberal I’ll overlook it.

      The “unions” were first organized as a result of the triangle fire in the 1900′s because a sweatshop burned down you dolt.

      That fire lead to the organized labor cancer that eventually crippled and destroyed EVERY single industry it infected with it’s insane benifits packages by driving companies right out of America.

      I realize you have never heard any of this since you didnt get the memo from the other retards running media matters but you’re a commie and inteligence just doesn’t suit you … DOES IT!

  • Anonymous

    ‘Unions were started to protect blue collar workers in typically dangerous and hard working conditions, like steel mills, from poor working conditions and harsh bosses/companies.’

    Actually that’s not even remotely correct, but historical accuracy has never been one of the right’s strong points.

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