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Fort Hood Massacre Liveblogging

Written By : John Hawkins

* I’m going to update this semi-regularly for the next couple of hours. At the moment, information is ~~surprisingly~~ not-so-surprisingly sketchy. Often times, you get conflicting information about what happened in the immediate aftermath of an event like this.

So far, I’ve heard, there are two key pieces of data that I’m hearing conflicting data on:

* Was there one shooter or three shooters?

* Some sources are saying the one confirmed shooter, Malik Nadal Hasan, was a newly converted Muslim, while there are denials that is the case from other quarters. It wouldn’t exactly be shocking if we had a Muslim associated with terroristic violence after the other 500 gazillion incidents his co-religionists have been involved with, but we probably shouldn’t jump to any conclusions. After all, crazy people going on shooting sprees are not exactly unheard of either.

Incidentally, if he is a Muslim and engaged in this attack for religious religions, do you really believe the military and the DOJ would admit it or would they sweep it under the rug in the name of political correctness? I’m betting on the latter, but we’ll see how it plays out.

7:20

The suspect’s name is apparently “Nidal Malik Hasan.”

7:21

This is an interesting detail, but it seems to be third hand, so take it with a grain of salt:

Hunt said his son told him he loaded up many of the wounded and drove them to the hospital. The wounded relayed what they saw inside when the shooting happened.

“They were telling him that one guy was shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting,” Tom Hunt said. “He couldn’t say much more than that.

7:24

From The Corner, another bit of info that fits in with the Muslim going on a terroristic rampage theory:

Major Nadal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old Muslim convert, was born and educated in Virginia. He is a psychiatrist who worked at Walter Reed for six years (and got a poor performance evaluation there). Hasan was transferred to Ft. Hood and worked at the psych ward there. He complained about deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. Fox has interviewed someone who worked with him at Ft. Hood (Terry Lee) who says he was a harsh critic of U.S. foreign policy who said Muslims had a right to stand up and fight against the aggressor in Iraq and Afghanistan — i.e., us.

7:42

* I am hearing unconfirmed reports that the shooter has always been a Muslim — and is not a convert.

* From “Media will tiptoe around Ft. Hood shooter’s religion, but God help us if his car radio was on a talk radio station this morning.” — Erick Erickson

7:44

From Mary Katharine Ham: “Kay Bailey Hutchison says on Fox Hasan was very unhappy about deployment and she has been told Hasan was targeting the people he shot.”

7:47

Also from Mary Katharine Ham

“I’ve heard twice now that the two other suspects have been released, on radio from TX Congressman & on Fox.”

7:54

From The Corner:

“Fox has interviewed the shooter’s cousin, Nader Hasan, who says Nidal Malik Hasan was raised a Muslim — he is not a convert.”

There’s a huge double standard with the way cases like this are covered. The most tenuous evidence of any sort of connection to any conservative group by a shooter is used as evidence as some sort of Right Wing extremism run amok.

Meanwhile, we have stories about Muslims killing people, specifically in the name of their religion, coming out every day of the week and the press bends over backwards to turn a blind eye to it. Most Muslims ARE NOT violent jihadists. But, there are a significant number of them who are, it’s a serious problem, and it needs to be addressed head-on instead of pretending it’s a non-issue.

Is it possible Hasan is just some nut who would have snapped whether he was a Christian, Jew, or Muslim? Sure. Is it also possible, and in fact more likely, that his religion had a lot to do with his actions? Yes, it is and we need to face up to it. Most Muslims are good and decent people, but they — and we — need to stop turning a blind eye to the Muslim death cultists who are murdering people in the name of Muhammad.

9:50

The verdict’s in, folks: Muslim Jihadi.

The military psychiatrist accused of gunning down 12 people in Texas lived most of his life in the D.C. area where he was considered a caring Muslim by friends — but he had recently made disturbing statements about suicide attacks.

…He was described as a caring person by a local Muslim leader, but those who got to know him after he was transferred to Fort Hood in July recalled hearing disturbing statements that foreshadowed Monday’s violence.
Six months ago Hasan came to the attention of the FBI because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings.

After lauding a Muslim U.S. Army soldier who killed comrades in Kuwait in 2003, Hasan wrote in an online posting, “If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers … that would be considered a strategic victory.”

…At Fort Hood, Hasan exhibited a troubled state of mind. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the psych ward at Fort Hood, told Fox News that about six months ago he heard Hasan say, “Maybe the Muslims should rise up and fight against the aggressor,” in Iraq and Afghanistan — referring to the U.S. Army.

9:52

Was Hasan left in place even though he was dangerous? Was it because of political correctness? We definitely need an investigation to find out.

“Hasan said of Little Rock soldier slaying that a Muslim had stood up to US Military. Comment reported to command, ‘fell on deaf ears.’” — Steve Schippert

10:16

Hasan a “devout Muslim.”

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

However, a fellow Army officer who worked with Hasan told Fox News Channel that the psychiatrist had expressed strong opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“He would make comments to other individuals about how we should not be in the war in the first place,” Col. Terry Lee told the network. “He made those comments, and he stuck strongly to his faith, but as soldiers we have a duty to follow orders from our commander in chief, and our political views are set aside.”

10:58

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

One of the officials said late Thursday that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of Hasan’s computer.

11:04

Via NPR:

A source tells NPR’s Joseph Shapiro that Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time.

11:35

The more I keep hearing that Hasan wasn’t a “radical” Muslim, the more disturbing I find it given some of his attitudes and activities:

A co-worker at Walter Reed said Hasan would not allow his photo to be taken with female co-workers, which became an issue during Christmas season when employees often took group photos. Co-workers would find a solo photo of Hasan and post it on the bulletin board without his permission.

Not getting photographed with women. Sure, that’s normal…not!

11:42

Hasan’s alleged comment (Via Patterico’s Pontifications)

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.

12:06

This guy definitely planned out what he intended to do:

News Channel 25′s Henry Rosoff has learned the Hasan, was giving all of his furniture along with copies of the Qu’ ran to neighbors Thursday morning.

http://www.allthatisnecessary.com jjmurphy

From what I’ve read, he is not a covert. Has always been a muslim.
http://www.allthatisnecessary.com jjmurphy

sorry, convert
http://networdblog.blogspot.com/ Christopher_Taylor

From what I understand he was Amish. Oh wait, it was some other religion. Hard to tell from the news coverage though, they aren’t even calling him by name.
Mike_M

I’ll resist the overwhelming temptation to point out the obvious and for now pray for the families and victims. There’s a huge mass murder case breaking in Cleveland as well. What the hell is going on?
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Islam is a false religion and death cult. Nixon has said it repeatedly. A muslim in the Army with Jihadist sympathies. Hey, maybe he was blaming Bush like the leftists in this country do.

Nixon wishes this animal is escorted to the hottest part of Hell as soon as possible.
tblrk2006

Ah yes….the peaceful religion of islam. Can we please profile now?
http://conservativebootcamp.com martinhale

May God have mercy on the souls of the dead. Since the bozo who perpetrated this crime is still alive, I hope that means that we will have the opportunity to learn precisely why he did this, and that he will face a lifetime of punishment. There are plenty of quotes from those who were aware of Mr. Hasan’s antipathy toward our missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I’ve read at least one report that he expressed happiness at the slaying of that recruiter in Arkansas this past June. Given all the people who’re coming forward with these reports, it sounds as though the perp’s mindset was not exactly a secret, which begs the question as to why he was allowed to stay.
BIG

Because of political correctness, I expect we are going to continue to see these sort of incidents occur every few months. Islam is not going to change and we as a nation are never going to point a finger at it. CAIR has already put out their “We fear backlash” statement and the alphabet networks will never mention “Islam” in connection with these horrible occurances.

Pray for the victims and their families.
http://www.conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/ reelman

ISLAM “CONVERT”…MASS MURDERER
Tx. shooter has a moslem name…I am (not) shocked…Palestinian parents…wonder who his contacts (if any) were?
The Tx. shooter had a history of radical statements…I am (not) shocked…
he arrived at work in religious garb…he bravely shouted “Allah” before shooting the unarmed.
(another case of the “moslem radical elephant in the room” for months that nobody had the nerve to deal with in time…so people died)
His website viewing log and perhaps his mosque attendance speeches…may tell investigators interesting stuff…we shall see.
from The Houston Chronicle:
Hasan’s motives were unclear, and early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store’s manager.
“He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal,” she said. (WEARING RELIGIOUS GARB IS NORMAL for a a major going to work???)
However, surveillance video showed he was wearing religious attire rather than typical civilian or medical clothing.
Strickland said that was unusual and she asked him about it, but he replied that he did that sometimes.
(MAKES YOU WONDER…CAN NON-ISLAMISTS ALSO DO THAT???)
A few hours later, officials said, the Virginia native began his rampage on the post. Fort Hood, near Killeen.
Federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
One of the Web posts that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
“To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause,” said the Internet posting. “Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers.”
The officials say Hasan appeared to have made the postings, but they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was NOT opened. (AND THE REASON IS???)
=====
Will CAIR refute this mass murderer? What can we learn from this?
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish
tblrk2006

and I’ve read at least one report that he expressed happiness at the slaying of that recruiter in Arkansas this past June.

Posted by martinhale
2009-11-06 07:46:41

Wow….that story was swept under the rug ASAP wasnt it.
aharris

And then I draw some guns, shout something in Arabic, and proceed to massacre people … but I’m not a Jihadi.
D-Vega

What a horrible thing, my prayers are with the families who lost people.

And yes, this is a jihadi of the same usual type infortunately. Who woulda thought a psychiatrist could go crazy muslim.

Very sad. I’m going to have to call vengeance on this one though.
TheBaud

Who woulda thought a psychiatrist could go crazy muslim.

Very sad. I’m going to have to call vengeance on this one though.
Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-06 09:44:37

Yeah, who could have seen this comimg. A psychiatrist with poor performance reviews, under investigation for postings on jihad and killing Americans, who was openly upset about a deployment.

The Army was so afraid of racial profiling charges that they let 12 soldiers and a police officer die on the alter of PC.

And now we have to live through the funerals of these heros, the catcalls and threats from every Muslim group in the country telling us all what haters we are for even suggesting Islam could be behind this, the excuses and incrimination from the Left; and then the trial of the killer, where the blame will go everywhere except where it belongs… on the killer and his hatefilled gutter religion.

This man needs to die and die slowly!
TheBaud

I’m going to have to call vengeance on this one though.
Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-06 09:44:37

D-Vega, could you please explain what you mean by this. I have a comment, but do not want to misunderstand your intention.
http://annoyedelephants.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/monster-in-fort-hood/ Monster in Fort Hood « PachydermsBlog

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Mike_M

“D-Vega, could you please explain what you mean by this. I have a comment, but do not want to misunderstand your intention.”

What’s to explain? The guy was an anti-war, anti-military, anti-American, Muslim terrorist. They seek revenge because we’re not dhimmi or dead.

It looks like the terrorist is going to survive, and I’ll be very interested to see what his CAIR-appointed lawyer allows him to say.
TheBaud

What’s to explain? The guy was an anti-war, anti-military, anti-American, Muslim terrorist. They seek revenge because we’re not dhimmi or dead.

It looks like the terrorist is going to survive, and I’ll be very interested to see what his CAIR-appointed lawyer allows him to say.
Posted by Mike_M 2009-11-06 10:34:50

Mike_M, I can take what D-Vega said one of two ways. Neither are pleasent, but one is borderline treasonous. I would like him to explain what he meant.

And the gunman’s lawyer (piss and pigshit be on them forever!) will make this a trial about the United States, our “agressive” policy in the Middle East, and all the hateful Americans that drove this fine and peace-loving man to such a terrible action.

And with Obama in the White House and his Justice Department in place, it might work. It would not surprise me if the superior officer who gave Hasan a poor performance review is not brought up on charges for religious discrimination and drummed out of the service, while the local Texas police are forced to apologize for shooting the gunman.
TheBaud

Very sad. I’m going to have to call vengeance on this one though.
Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-06 09:44:37

D-Vega, I asked you a question. Are you unable to answer it, or unwilling?
http://guardian.blogdrive.com/ CavalierX

Very sad. I’m going to have to call vengeance on this one though.
Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-06 09:44:37

I, too, am waiting to read exactly what you mean by that statement before responding.
TheBaud

I, too, am waiting to read exactly what you mean by that statement before responding.
Posted by CavalierX 2009-11-06 11:13:31

Looks like we are not going to get an answer, CavalierX. D-Vega is too busy posting on a 2-day-old thread in a juvenile attempt to get in the last word. He obviously can’t be bothered to post here.

Coward!
D-Vega

Sorry, this is a busy Friday. I mean I am going to have to call for vengeance for the people who were killed yesterday. This guy will and must be put down like the sick dog he is.

I am sorry that it puts me in a more hawkish mode, but this is something most people can agree on. This guy wasn’t fighting for his village in Iraq or Af-Pak (whether or not those guys are evil, we have in past and currently paid them off and/or made them partners).

This was an act of evil, cold blooded murder of people who he was supposed to be helping. He swore an oath to the military and to his country. If he was angry about being delpoyed he never should have joined in the first place. It’s not like we just started fighting muslims last month.

Screw him. I have no sympathy for him.

The only thing I would say on his behalf is not to jump to conclusions about anything that was said or done prior, as rumors are abound.

But what is not disputable is that he did it, so he should pay the ultimate price.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

This guy wasn’t fighting for his village in Iraq or Af-Pak (whether or not those guys are evil, we have in past and currently paid them off and/or made them partners).

Who is fighting to defend their village in Iraq? Are you calling the former Baathists and Al Quaeda in Iraq people freedom fighters or something? WTF?
D-Vega

Fuck you, Baud. I don’t respond according to anyone’s preferences except my own.
D-Vega

Who is fighting to defend their village in Iraq?

There were plenty of people who were fighting U.S. and Iraqi soldiers who felt they were defending their homelands and are now our allies, either due to us & the Iraqis including them in the gov’t (like former Baathists) or simply paying them off. I am fine with both.

Are you calling the former Baathists and Al Quaeda in Iraq people freedom fighters or something? WTF?

I wouldn’t say freedom fighters but I would say loyal tribesmen who want say in their futures. AQ in Iraq was only a single digit percentage of the overall insrugency.

This is not according to me, but according to our military.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

From Pamela Geller at Atlas Shrugs. This was an act of Jihad terrorism committed by a Muslim fanatic.

Who can forget the fakestinians dancing in the streets on 911, throwing candy and sweets to the children? I am sure our close to one billion dollars in jiyza paid to the territories stolen from the Jews in Gaza, Judea and Samaria is funding the party on the backs of our war dead.

China Confidential is reporting: Jerusalem Arabs Praise Fort Hood Shooter

China Confidential sources in East Jerusalem say many residents of the predominantly Arab section are expressing strong support for the Muslim U.S. Army major who mowed down his fellow soldiers at the huge Fort Hood, Texas base and processing center for troops bound for Afghanistan and Iraq.

The word on the so-called Arab street is that Major Nidal Malik Hasan should be admired because he stood up for fellow Muslims overseas, against U.S. “aggression,” and that his anger, disappointment, and presumed sense of betrayal over U.S. President Barack Obama’s failure to end the Afghan and Iraq conflicts is understandable, especially in light of Obama’s own Muslim heritage.

In Hamas-ruled Gaza, sources say, the reaction is overwhelmingly in support of the shooter. He would clearly be given a hero’s welcome there.
Mike_M

“Wow….that story was swept under the rug ASAP wasnt it.”

Speaking of swept under the rug, remember when Army Sgt. Asan Akbar chucked a handful of grenades at the commanders of the 101st Airborne in 2003?
D-Vega

Judea & Samaria? Stolen from the Jews?
Mike_M

“AQ in Iraq was only a single digit percentage of the overall insrugency.”

Yeah, the rest came from Iran, Baathists, and al Sadr. Oh and the Fedyeen Saddam guerillas that Hussein had time to train and equip during the 14-month “rush to war”.

The tribes and villagers were some of our best allies in the war. They led the Anbar Awakening that turned the tide against the insurgents in the countryside.

You liberals have so steeped yourself in Bush-Blaming anti-war propaganda that it’s no wonder you think we went around blowing up villages and slaughtering innnocent people. Hasan apparently believed the same thing.
D-Vega

That’s what I said, Mike. I know you are looking to spread the blame around, but no one is to blame but Hasan and he should pay for it.
Realpolitik

it’s no wonder you think we went around blowing up villages and slaughtering innnocent people. Hasan apparently believed the same thing.
Posted by Mike_M
2009-11-06 12:11:09

And with just cause, as this is exactly what happened in this war for oil. If you’re going to start bouncing this ball around the schoolyard you are going to find justification for Major Hasan.
Mike_M

“but no one is to blame but Hasan and he should pay for it.”

I think that’s a “rush to judgement” that you warned against. This guy apparently frequented jihadist websites and talked about his ideas on the war. He could have been encouraged into the shooting by others, or have influenced others into taking up the cause. We won’t know until after an investigation or trial.
Mike_M

“If you’re going to start bouncing this ball around the schoolyard you are going to find justification for Major Hasan.”

So you approve of anti-war activists murdering American civilians.
BIG

Judea & Samaria? Stolen from the Jews?
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 12:07:42

What do you think Judea translates to? Home of the Palestinians?

That’s what I said, Mike. I know you are looking to spread the blame around, but no one is to blame but Hasan and he should pay for it.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 12:18:51

So you believe he got the idea to do this out of thin air? That there was no external influence on his actions? I know you said you were busy, but if you can find the time to read this article, I think you will have a better understanding of what is taking place under your nose.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/fort-hood%E2%80%94a-now-familiar-tragedy/

Fort Hood—A now familiar horror
tblrk2006

And with just cause, as this is exactly what happened in this war for oil.
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-06 12:27:49

Where is our oil then?
TheBaud

Fuck you, Baud. I don’t respond according to anyone’s preferences except my own.
Posted by D-Vega 2009-11-06 11:51:46

Right, plenty of time to go to a 2-day-old thread to try to get in the last word.

I asked politely and gave you the opportunity to answer. And you did (thankfully not the way I originally took your message). But you also did what I expected. You equiviocated and lectured us on not “jumping to conclusions about anything that was said or done prior”.

Funny how all Christians a guilty when an abortion doctor is killed (as the Left and Obama keep telling us). But in this case, “no one is to blame but Hasan”. Sounds like someone jumping to a conclusion in a pathetic attempt to absolve his hatefillled gutter religion of responsibility. And that is your style!
DrEvil

Give him a trial under the UCMJ. Convict him and put him up against the wall and send his ass to hell.

I just hope that the same demon that has been raping Muhammad for the last 1200 years gets a crack at this guy.

Have an Evil day
Realpolitik

Posted by Mike_M
2009-11-06 12:31:42

Your warped mind leads to sundry places.
tblrk2006

Your warped mind leads to sundry places.
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-06 12:38:31

Your the one searching for a way to blame the usa for hasan’s islamic rampage.
Mike_M

“We don’t know all the answers yet and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,”

Quote from Obama this morning…boilerplate response when Muslims kill people. He didn’t seem to have any such apprehension expressing his immediate shock and outrage when the abortion doctor was murdered.
Realpolitik

Your the one searching for a way to blame the usa for hasan’s islamic rampage.
Posted by tblrk2006
2009-11-06 12:40:36

The fruit of the tree you planted.
TheBaud

Quote from Obama this morning…boilerplate response when Muslims kill people. He didn’t seem to have any such apprehension expressing his immediate shock and outrage when the abortion doctor was murdered.
Posted by Mike_M 2009-11-06 12:41:05

I seem to recall that he also IMMEDIATELY order increased security at all abortion clinics everywhere as a precaution. Curious that he did not do the same thing when a military recruiter was killed a short time later or when this incident occurred.

Oh, sorry, I forgot. The two last instances were against the military, which the Left hates and thinks they deserve what they get. Also, they were immediately declared isolated incidences. The first was against the scared act of abortion and was indicative of the hatred from the Right.
Mike_M

“Your warped mind leads to sundry places.”

I start telling the truth and you liberals start getting pissed off. Clockwork.
TheBaud

The fruit of the tree you planted.
Posted by Realpolitik 2009-11-06 12:43:36

Someone PLEASE delete and ban this anti-American asshole before this thread gets really ugly.

We should not have to listen to this treasonous prick today!
Realpolitik

I start telling the truth . . .
Posted by Mike_M
2009-11-06 12:47:08

We await this with justified scepticism.
Realpolitik

ban this anti-American asshole before this thread gets really ugly.

Posted by TheBaud
2009-11-06 12:48:49

It is already ugly due to your rabid hatred and ignorance.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

your rabid hatred and ignorance.

You at the truck stop or internet cafe today?
belacuse

Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-06 12:53:32

I second the call for this sick communist to be, at the very least, banned for today. Nobody wants to hear his twisted musings as to how the US somehow is getting what we deserve – and most sickening is that the horrific attack isn’t even 24 hours past.
BIG

Many aren’t going to like what I am about to write. But it will go a long way to stopping attacks like this one. Hasan should be given a swift trial and then swift justice. No 20 to 25 years on death row awaiting an appeal. He should be beheaded and have his body buried in the carcass of a pig. We should let it be known that any that attempt this type of outrage against America will suffer a similar fate. His family should be deported back to the shithole they came from.
D-Vega

Right, plenty of time to go to a 2-day-old thread to try to get in the last word.

I don’t care about getting any last word, and again I respond according to me and no one else. End of story.

I asked politely and gave you the opportunity to answer. And you did (thankfully not the way I originally took your message).

And you got your answer. You shouldn’t jump to flame anyone. I may not have responded until tonight. That’s my prerogative.

But you also did what I expected. You equiviocated and lectured us on not “jumping to conclusions about anything that was said or done prior”.

I

I didn’t equiviocate anything. And yes, we should await all the information before we jump to any conclusion about prior actions and associations. Its called searching for the truth.

We is a fact already is that this guy did it, as there are witnesses that confirm it.

Funny how all Christians a guilty when an abortion doctor is killed (as the Left and Obama keep telling us).

Neither the left nor Obama has done anything of the kind. Stop lying.

But in this case, “no one is to blame but Hasan”.

As it stands now, yes. You all are jumping to blame all muslim, & Islam, and Obama. Naturally.

Sounds like someone jumping to a conclusion in a pathetic attempt to absolve his hatefillled gutter religion of responsibility. And that is your style!

You see? Just what I said.
D-Vega

But it will go a long way to stopping attacks like this one.

Swift justice doesn’t deter this type of behavior. I am all for it, I just don’t know about that whole “carcass of a pig” thing.
http://PatriotPost.US bthewolf

The fruit of the tree you planted.
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-06 12:43:36

Bullshit, that tree was planted 1400+ yrs ago by Mohamed himself. Islam has never in it’s history been peaceful, retard. The story of Islam is the nothing but violence. So take you line of utter ignorance and crap, and shove them up your ass.
Realpolitik

Nobody wants to hear his twisted musings as to how the US somehow is getting what we deserve – and most sickening is that the horrific attack isn’t even 24 hours past.
Posted by belacuse
2009-11-06 13:17:11

Then take your complaint to Mike_M.
D-Vega

Nobody wants to hear his twisted musings as to how the US somehow is getting what we deserve

Remember it is a two-street.
tblrk2006

Remember it is a two-street.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:29:58

Ban vega too. He is a little anti american muslim shit sniffer also.
tblrk2006

Swift justice doesn’t deter this type of behavior. I am all for it,
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:24:31

So your for something that you think doesnt work?
BIG

Remember it is a two-street.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:29:58

Hasan has probably already had a street named in his honor in Gaza.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Remember it is a two-street.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:29:58

Nixon sees you and Reverend Wright have a lot in common.
Scum-Watcher-88

I hate that it’s come to this, but it’s painfully obvious to me now that it’s time to put into place a ban on Muslims from serving in any branch of the US military. Muslims, be they hereditary or converts, those who immigrate from majority Muslim countries, and those who adopt Arabic style names must be banned from entering military service. Likewise currently serving Muslims should be discharged. Those within five or so years from their retirement date should be given a full retirement and those with a shorter length of service should be given an honorable discharge, thanked for their service, and separated.

Given the nature of the current war in which we find ourselves in conflict with radical Islam and the nature of yesterday’s events at Fort Hood it’s simply not safe to have Muslims serving in the military.

Now before civil liberties fanatics and mis-guided leftist hand-wringers start shouting about “discrimination” allow me to point out that we already bar people from serving in the military based upon their ideology. Current DoD regulations ban anyone who is an admitted or known member of a White Nationalist organization or other “hate group” from serving in the US military. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not supporting White Nationalist groups or condemning DoD policy of excluding their members. Far from it. But it was not a National Alliance member who murdered 13 soldiers yesterday and wounded 31 others. Likewise it was not a member of the National Socialist Movement who commit ed a classic “fragging” at the start of the Iraq war. Given the current realities, which group poses a more serious and immediate threat and who has the actual track record of recent ideologically motivated violence against our military? If you are honest with yourself, you know the answer…
Realpolitik

If you are honest with yourself, you know the answer…
Posted by Scum-Watcher-88
2009-11-06 13:59:49

One answer is to beware hypocritical banned former posters who spout the drivel which had them originally removed.
belacuse

As it stands now, yes. You all are jumping to blame all muslim, & Islam, and Obama. Naturally.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:22:22

I haven’t seen anyone jump to blame Obama for this event at all. He has got nothing to do with this. Even though some are quibbling at the context of his remarks, what he said was appropriate and that should be the end of his connection with this whole mess. Now, on the other hand, this has a lot to do with Islam and Jihad. While you are right that all the facts aren’t in, what we do have is an awful lot of mounting evidence that this was not at all about a poor harrased Muslim that was so scared to deploy he just cracked. It looks very much as though this guy was committing a terrorist act in the name of Allah. From the comments that he allegedly made on his website, to the Korans he handed out just before murdering US soldiers, to his demeanour and comments as he shot people down in cold blood.

Remember it is a two-street.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-11-06 13:29:58

Do you mean the banhammer can go both ways? Or do you mean there are two sides to the motivations of the killer? Sure, there are two sides, but it is sick that POS realpolitik is spouting off how this is America’s fault when the bodies aren’t even cold. Sorry, but nobody wants to hear that shit right now. And to make it worse, you know as well as I do that he is only doing it as part of his sorry-ass ongoing trolling efforts.
D-Vega

Nixon sees you and Reverend Wright have a lot in common.

I didn’t mean it that way, Nixon. I mean its a two-way when you are criticizing America for deserving it. Meaning, if you are saying this happened because of some policy we have recently enacted, then you are saying America deserved it, whether said policy is one you agree with (conservative) or one you disagree with (liberal).
D-Vega

I hate that it’s come to this, but it’s painfully obvious to me now that it’s time to put into place a ban on Muslims from serving in any branch of the US military.

Nonsense. There are not only thousands of muslims in the military right now who serve their country with honor, but there are also known associates of streetgangs in the military (one such member killed two soldiers in their home, raping the female solider).

That is classic profiling and unacceptable in this country.

This guy was either a classic nut or a classic jihadist, if there’s a difference, and it should be treated as such. Not a call to ban all muslims.
Mike_M

“Hasan should be given a swift trial and then swift justice.”

If Bush was President his ass would be on its way to Gitmo.

Now thanks to Obama’s Jihadi Outreach Initiative he’ll probably get a book deal, lawsuit against the officer that shot him, and a lifetime vacation to Bermuda.
Realpolitik

Posted by Mike_M
2009-11-06 14:20:32

Yup, this is the correct response to the slaughter at Fort Hood. Ranks right up there with pig references.
D-Vega

Now thanks to Obama’s Jihadi Outreach Initiative he’ll probably get a book deal, lawsuit against the officer that shot him, and a lifetime vacation to Bermuda.

Are you saying America deserved this?
Scum-Watcher-88

Nonsense. There are not only thousands of muslims in the military right now who serve their country with honor

Which is why they should be thanked for their service before being seperated and given the full benefits of said service such as retirement etc. Remember that serving in the military is not a right, it’s a privilage and that the well being of the service (and by extention the country as a whole) trumps PC nonsence.

but there are also known associates of streetgangs in the military

And they should be gone too. What’s your point?

That is classic profiling and unacceptable in this country.

Oh, can it.
This has gone beyond self-destructive PC idiocy.
Mike_M

“Are you saying America deserved this?”

I’m not the one emptying out Gitmo and giving the inmates free lifetime tropical vacations.
D-Vega

Which is why they should be thanked for their service before being seperated and given the full benefits of said service such as retirement etc. Remember that serving in the military is not a right, it’s a privilage and that the well being of the service (and by extention the country as a whole) trumps PC nonsence.

Yeah, thank them before impying that they can’t be trusted and could be traitors just because of their relgion. That will be treatment fitting for a U.S. solider. At one point, the Catholics and Blacks and Japanese and Germans would have been treated the same way.

And they should be gone too. What’s your point?

Lots of young men get into the military in order to escape that life. And they are the better for it. They should not be treated in such a way for associations when they have done nothing wrong.

Oh, can it. This has gone beyond self-destructive PC idiocy.

Anytime a conservative wants to have a kneejerk overreaction to something they play the “PC idiocy” card. It’s not about being politically correct, its about what is right.
D-Vega

I’m not the one emptying out Gitmo and giving the inmates free lifetime tropical vacations.

First of all, releasing people from Gitmo is not a new thing.

Second of all, this guy was never at Gitmo, never detained, never suspected.

Third of all, either you are saying America deserved it or didn’t.
Scum-Watcher-88

Yeah, thank them before impying that they can’t be trusted and could be traitors just because of their relgion.

People are booted from the service or blocked entry all the time for all sorts of reasons…many of them quite good. Spare me your touchy feely indignation. As someone who grew up in the shadow of that particular base and was stationed there, this hits pretty damned close to home.

Lots of young men get into the military in order to escape that life. And they are the better for it. They should not be treated in such a way for associations when they have done nothing wrong

So being involved in a criminal organization is “doing nothing wrong”? That’s rich. But from what you have implied in the past about your own history, I suspect that we’re treading on home turf with you in respect to the street gang thing.

Vega, I’ve been in the military. I’ve seen how many “former” gang members continue to pursue “da thug life” while serving in the military. It’s as least as many who are attempting to leave that sorid lifestyle behind. if you have any previous known association with a criminal organization you should be tossed out….or blocked from signing up in the first place.

It’s not about being politically correct, its about what is right.

Sadly Vega, over the last year or so you wouldn’t know “right” if it bit you on the a–. You’ve fallen a long way, man.
Scum-Watcher-88

Oh yes…and let me ask you this, Vega:
You have come out against my opinion that Muslims should not be serving in our military at this stage in our history and have come out in support of former criminals serving as well. Do you also condemn the DoD regulations against open White Nationalists serving too? I mean, to be consistant, you’ll have to. But we all know about those wonderful double standards you guys on the left pocess.
D-Vega

Oh, I see. Its blocks any word that includes “Tr*nch”.

So I will rephrase:

Good to see you, too, Tr3nch.
Realpolitik

over the last year or so you wouldn’t know “right” if it bit you on the a–. You’ve fallen a long way, man.
Posted by Scum-Watcher-88
2009-11-06 14:49:00

How can anyone who is afraid to spell the word “ass” be trusted to make meaningful comments?

But seriously, here is nothing but a personal attack. The pathetic reference to ‘living near the Hood’ makes real patriots blanch.
Mike_M

“Third of all, either you are saying America deserved it or didn’t.”

There is no possible way to “deserve” getting shot by a traitor serving by choice in the US military.
Scum-Watcher-88

Stick to the topic, Vega.

Now for a little ‘tard slapping…

The pathetic reference to ‘living near the Hood’ makes real patriots blanch

You wouldn’t know patriotism if it bit you on the a–, M@rtha. You have shown us that much over the years.

Anyway, I grew up in the Killeen area and was stationed at Fort Hood in 1990-91. So yes, the attacks there hit very close to home. Happily no one I know or served with was injured yesterday…although I do know a number who were effected by the base lock-down.

Now go away, little boy. This is not a day you should be playing around.
D-Vega

People are booted from the service or blocked entry all the time for all sorts of reasons…many of them quite good.

Many of them not. Homosexuality is a prime example.

Spare me your touchy feely indignation.

Nothing touchy or feely about it. It’s called being moral and just.

As someone who grew up in the shadow of that particular base and was stationed there, this hits pretty damned close to home.

I sympathize. I say hang this guy from the highest tree. But not only does this country not discriminate according to creed, but also we don’t kneejerk persecute simply for imaginary peace of mind. What if I enroll in the military as a Catholic but then convert to Islam? Am I then dishonarably discharged? What if my father is muslim but I am Protestant? What if I am Hindu but my name and appearance is too similiar to muslim?

So being involved in a criminal organization is “doing nothing wrong”? That’s rich.

It would depend on how involved you are. A lot of young men are “down” with certain gangs but don’t committ any crimes. They are forced into it and then seek escape. The military is a viable and proven option to change your life for the better.

But from what you have implied in the past about your own history, I suspect that we’re treading on home turf with you in respect to the street gang thing.

Heh. I have never been associated with, or member of, or even known any gangbangers. In NY the gang culture is very different, or was. Nearly all gangbangers are the scum of the earth. I am referring to people looking for some redemption before its too ate.

Vega, I’ve been in the military. I’ve seen how many “former” gang members continue to pursue “da thug life” while serving in the military.

That’s up to the military to deal with. No one is guaranteed to stay. They have to follow the rules just like everyone else.

It’s as least as many who are attempting to leave that sorid lifestyle behind. if you have any previous known association with a criminal organization you should be tossed out….or blocked from signing up in the first place.

There is no way to quantify that, unless they’ve been convicted of a crime, and that is another disqualifier possibly.

Sadly Vega, over the last year or so you wouldn’t know “right” if it bit you on the a–. You’ve fallen a long way, man.

Oh, I know right when I see it. We don’t need to be reminded of the profile-supporting tripe of the right-wing. That is the answer for everything. Profile and it will go away.
Mike_M

“This is not a day you should be playing around.”

The trolls have no shame or intellectual consistency. Today they’re trying to deflect from Obama’s horrific botching of the situation and the “teachable moment” that he’s an uncharismatic, uncaring, SOB.
D-Vega

You have come out against my opinion that Muslims should not be serving in our military at this stage in our history and have come out in support of former criminals serving as well.

Yes, that is correct. There have been many soliders who have become model soldiers and citizens who would not have otherwise.

Do you also condemn the DoD regulations against open White Nationalists serving too?

That is the official DoD line, SW. They say no gangbangers are supposed be allowed either. You would have to be REALLY open about it, but tattoos for example cannot be justification, as I understand it.

I mean, to be consistant, you’ll have to. But we all know about those wonderful double standards you guys on the left pocess.

The same would go, yes. If a “White Nationalist”, whatever that is, decides to go into the military to change his life for the better, I support it.

If anyone, (gangbanger, jihadist, white nat’list) joins the military to further strengthen his criminal or immoral goals, I say throw them out or send them to jail.
Realpolitik

trying to deflect from Obama’s horrific botching of the situation and the “teachable moment” that he’s an uncharismatic, uncaring, SOB.
Posted by Mike_M
2009-11-06 15:10:48

No deflection from the left side of the aisle. The point of our true patriotic disgust is the use of this slaughter at Fort Hood to excuse, enhance and inflame the racist hatred of so many conservatives.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

the racist hatred of so many conservatives.

Kleagle Byrd. And you practice the whole doctrine of “the master race”. You wearing your Hitler tshirt today by chance?
Realpolitik

Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-11-06 15:35:25

This is the conservative intelligentsia. Jesus weeps.
Scum-Watcher-88

We don’t need to be reminded of the profile-supporting tripe of the right-wing. That is the answer for everything. Profile and it will go away.

Hyperbole is not your friend here, Vega.
No one (certainly not I for example) has ever said that profiling is the end all or is a 100% cure. It’s a tool like any other…one of many in our tool belt so to speak. For example profiling of serial killers has not led to the elimination of that particular type of crime, but it has greatly aided law enforcement in catching them.

It’s a valid and valuable tool, but the hand-wringers on the left have decided to harm the country by denying the use of that tool.
Shame on you and your ilk.
D-Vega

There are plenty of tools that would violate the values of the U.S.A. I’m sure national gun registration could save lives, or searches without warrants, or tapping every phone everywhere, or silencing speech, etc.

But the fact is we don’t treat every as criminals in order to prevent crime. We don’t treat everyone like terrorists so we can catch terrorists.
Scum-Watcher-88

the racist hatred of so many conservatives

Coming from a piece of trash who in the past has expressed anti-White racism, this statement is laughable.
What is more laughable is the misuse of the term “racist”. Are those who bash Christianity “racist”? Of course not. Islam is no more a race than is Christianity, Budhism, or Scientology. Thus speaking ill of Islam is not by definition “racism”.

FOAD child. Go back to 4chan…
D-Vega

It’s prejudice and bigotry. Not you specifically, but that what it is when you dislike or don’t trust muslims just because they are muslims.
http://TheNixonTape.Blogspot.Com Dick_Nixon

Jesus weeps.
Posted by Realpolitik
2009-11-06 15:39:52

He probably laughs at you.
smelvertising

you dislike or don’t trust muslims just because they are muslims.

So it’s prejudicial to not trust muslims just because they follow laws and precepts that tell them to lie to (and murder) anyone who isn’t them.

Yes, what fools we are at taking people at their words. And acts. And deeds. And 1400-years-long history.

You can’t make this stuff up. They accused Ayn Rand of baseless stereotyping when she wrote liberals half as naive as you are.
D-Vega

So it’s prejudicial to not trust muslims just because they follow laws and precepts that tell them to lie to (and murder) anyone who isn’t them.

The entire statement is prejudicial, and wrong, as we have thousands of muslims serving in the military right now.

As usual, you don’t have a point to make.

C’mon, gimme some more tripe about how you are the guardian of reminding everyone of me, how my reputation has suffered for doing the same thing I’ve done to you for 4 yrs. Some more irrelevant, meaningless insults. Show what a sorry man you have turned into. Don’t go slithering back under your rock. Grow a spine, you amoeba.
Mike_M

“It’s prejudice and bigotry.”

Like when Obama claims small town conservatives are gun-toting, Bible-thumping, racists? Or the Obama Administration releasing a report declaring everybody who disagrees with him to a be radical potential terrorist?
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