Maybe we should acknowlege that Fox News was a little off for all those silly segments "fact-checking" all those SNL skits lampooning George Bush for 8 years.

It used to drive me crazy that George Bush never seemed to fight back against the smears and lies directed his way.

Now I see the wisdom of his choice…

You start to look like a cry baby if you complain a lot.

For a President and his staff to take pride in denying Fox news interviews is about as childish as you can get.

I'm sure our enemies fear Obama now.

Well, I've got perhaps the most effective strategy the White House could possibly follow to delegitimize Fox: distance themselves from the rest of the media. Demand the media cover them, warts and all. Don't expect or even ask for the kid gloves to be taken out every time a reporter speaks to the President. Establish an arms-length relationship with the rest of the media and accept a fair amount of negative coverage. I can pretty much guarantee that Fox would take a massive hit in their credibility. Hell, Fox has even said this on multiple occaisions. If the MSM did their jobs, there wouldn't be an audience for Fox. It reminds me of the comments from Japanese manufacturing executives to our own. Of course they don't mind showing you how they do it. You'll never truly adopt the technique, anyway.

Since they have already done it to themselves.

When Fox hosted Tea Parties and the 912 Project the last shred of credibility dissipated.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll 2009-10-12 11:57:44

Yeah, how DARE Fox stand up for America and Free Speech.

Guess you'd like them better if they sponsored a NAMBLA Parade. Or would you hate them still, just because they are Fox and you are told to hate them?

To take what Bill said from the other perspective, Obama is helping doom the liberal media by insiting upon the biased and fawning coverage that is costing them viewers and credibility.

As Obama demands he be treated like Kim Jong Il by the North Korean media, networks can either wave goodbye to their audience by cooperating, or their access by refusing. Since their access to Obama is all the networks have left to sell, they cling to the cult of personality trading objectivity for the favor of the Administration.

Look where the advertisers are going… Right to where there target groups are on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and yes… Glen Beck! No polling needed to see what america thinks, just follow the money, the advertising money!

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 11:57:44

Why are you against FOX exercising free speech, but you endorse MSNBC's opening aiding the Administration?

Oh yeah, you are a liberal, and by nature oppose free speech unless it fits your worldview.

Yeah, how DARE Fox stand up for America and Free Speech.

@TheBaud

Hard to report on the news objectively when you are directly manipulating it.

@charliehall3,

Last time I watched Glen Beck his advertisers comprised primarily of Rupert Murdoch owned companies.

Cut and paste from Newsbusters:

The ironic part came later, during the commercial break. All morning, CNN has been intermittently running a promo for Anderson Cooper 360, a show that has long billed itself as a classic straight news program with an investigative front man who digs "beyond the headlines" with "many points of view, so you can make up your own mind." The new promo, by contrast, consists of a woman's voice, pitching Cooper's show as, essentially, a liberal alternative to Fox News: "I'm a lifelong Democrat," she says, "and that's why I watch Anderson Cooper." Hmmm. The voice goes on to say that Cooper is the person she can turn to hold "right wing" conservatives accountable. Cooper is not exactly aiming for the political middle ground here.

Anderson Cooper not exactly aiming for the political middle ground is certainly an understatement considering his juvenile "tea bagging" snarks earlier this year.

Scherer isn't finished. He also casts aspersions upon any claim that MSNBC is somehow unbiased:

But then who is? MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are committed liberals, increasingly focused on the dual project of holding President Obama to a liberal line and attacking his detractors. Fox News, on the other hand, is well, Fox News. Dunn, on Kurtz's show, made a point of criticizing Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace for "fact checking" an Obama administration official but not its other Republican guests. So it goes.

From Newsbusters. Nixon wonders if the leftists here will condemn this activity.

Nixon left out the article from February where the White House gives daily talking point headers to Carvill and Begalia (sp?) over at CNN. Emmanuel usally does the programming instructions from those two.

Again, no outcry from the hypocritical left on this.

@Dick_Nixon,

There are commentators on all networks. What is your point?

Fox has been the only station to stage events in open political opposition and attempt to portray them as news.

Hard to report on the news objectively when you are directly manipulating it.

Ahh, you are a CNN viewer.

From *Newsbusters*

LOL

'nuff said.

Hard to report on the news objectively when you are directly manipulating it.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll 2009-10-12 12:37:30

Let's leave Dan Rather and CBS News out of this discussion, shall we.

When Fox hosted Tea Parties and the 912 Project the last shred of credibility dissipated.

You mean reported on. Yeah, how dare FOX News report on things not approved for reporting by the White House?

Fox has been the only station to stage events in open political opposition and attempt to portray them as news.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 12:46:49

Yes it's so wrong for the media to support FREE SPEECH!!! Wow did you hit get hit by the stupid stick twice?

Oh no, Fox hosted it when they did that Tea Party Express. Sure they claimed it was to cover a bunch of tea parties leading up to the big one in DC, but we know the truth.

Fox was running around giving these people their marching orders.

;)

If Fox was harmless, the left would dismiss it. The reaction of the White House and the resident lefty trolls shows that they're deeply fearful of any dissenting voice, especially one that doesn't show fear in their opposition.

Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News…the people responsible for telling the truth about Obama and his agenda are the ones they try hardest to destroy.

The fact that all of the above are wealthy and successful ought to be a message to the Republican establishment.

Not surprisingly, Realpolitik and Robert_Ingersoll provide us with the same sticking of their fingers in their ears and screaming "NAH! NAH! NAH! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" that is dooming the MSM to massive losses of their audience to Fox News, the blogosphere, and talk radio. I'm telling you, it's like clockwork.

@Bill_Dalasio,

Wonderful plan. Just what branch of the government do you control right now?

Wonderful plan. Just what branch of the government do you control right now?

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll 2009-10-12 13:55:42

I'm glad you at least had the courage to add the 'right now'. I a fully amused by the arrogance of Liberals that win tow elections in a row and think that they will be in power forever AND that their opposition is dead.

I also find it amusing that even though you control both the executive and legislative branches, you cannot get squat done towards your agenda without having to beg for Republican support.

We are laughing AT you, not with you!

troll: Last time I watched Glen Beck his advertisers comprised primarily of Rupert Murdoch owned companies.

Looks to me like even the lefty trolls are busy watching Fox News instead of the mouthpieces for the DNC that pretend to cover the news. And that's the facts in a nutshell.

Wonderful plan. Just what branch of the government do you control right now?

Let's talk after the 2010 elections OK?

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 13:55:42

Nice technique, when you can't make a salient response, try to change the subject. Is that part of the Official DOJ Troll Handbook or did you make that one up yourself?

The reality is that, even while Republicans have suffered setbacks, Fox News has made steady progress in gaining market share and profitability. That should tell you that they are doing something right that the rest of the MSM is ignoring. However, you seem more intent on ensuring that the rest of the MSM continue to ignore those things than ensure that they continue to survive.

All I can say is, go ahead! It makes for some terrific short targets.

Guys, I wouldn't worry about folks like Ingersoll. He's upset that someone on the other side actually has a voice.

Is Fox conservative? Sure, or at least more conservative than the others. And if it existed in a vacuum, there might be a point to his histrionics. However, with CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, and MSNBC on the other side not even pretending to hold balanced coverage, they really have little room to talk.

It took until the advent of Fox News for me to truly understand what a bunch of crybabies the left really has become. Basically, their new mantra boilds down to, "I don't like that someone can express non-preapproved views. WAAAAH!"

Even more, they're pissed that the other side is outpacing them in viewship by so much…

Fox has been the only station to stage events in open political opposition and attempt to portray them as news.

I'd like to see some proof of that. Show me a link to where Fox News "staged" an event and reported it as news.

Wonderful plan. Just what branch of the government do you control right now?

Since by implication you're saying that the Dems control everything politically, why exactly then do they need to fear dissenting voices like Fox and conservative talk radio?

Posted by mightysamurai

2009-10-12 14:34:46

Let's not forget that the real breakthrough for the Tea Parties came from…CNBC.

It's so comical to watch libs get their panties in a bunch over Fox News, which does very little "news" to begin with. I can't wait for some enterprising media mogel to finally wake up and buyout one of the three networks and start reporting the "news" from a conservative perspective the same way they all do from the liberal one now. Can you imagine a nightly news program opening each night's telecast with a segment counting the number of babies that were murdered in abortion clinics accorss the country that day, followed by a personal interest segment about how some poor joe was forced to take a second job to pay for diapers after he was forced to write a giant check to the IRS? The competition would be destroyed, and the libs' heads would explode.

@mightysamurai,

What do you call the 912 Project? The only difference between Fox and an infomercial is that the latter at least is more honest.

What do you call the 912 Project? The only difference between Fox and an infomercial is that the latter at least is more honest.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll 2009-10-12 15:08:42

We call that your uninformed and ignorant opinion of an event. Try posting proof.

What do you call the 912 Project?

You mean you blame FOX for what that guy on CNBC did — that Mad Money guy? Is he a secret FOX employee or something?

What do you call the 912 Project? The only difference between Fox and an infomercial is that the latter at least is more honest.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 15:08:42

Yeah unlike Dan Rather & CBS, the primetime lie-orama that was the NBC propganda fest for Odrama-care?

Oh and you can prove that a majority of Fox's reporting is lies, right? I mean that it's just not your opinion voiced as fact? That there is credible and verifiable evidence to support claim?

Because without proof, YOU ARE THE LIAR.

@all,

Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…

"Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…"

There's no need to bring the Nobel Peace Prize Committee into this Robert.

Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll 2009-10-12 15:45:34

You throw out personal attacks and opinions, we ask you to provide actual proof, and you simply return to personal attacks?

I'm sure the posters at KOS and DU have told you what a wonderful debater and poster you are. But here at RightWingNews, we have upped our standards. Now, up yours!

Wow, Ingersoll, you get boxed into a corner and go personal. That's what people do when they've lost the argument. Oh wait…

As martinhale said, since the dems control the government so thoroughly, what are you afraid of?

Methinks that you fear Fox and the truth dismantling your liberal fantasy in 2010. And you should…

@all,

Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 15:45:34

Because without proof, YOU ARE THE LIAR.

Posted by bthewolf

2009-10-12 15:27:46

So far that's what I'm getting, NO PROOF, ALL LIES from YOU. Thanks for the admission.

Posted by RWNReader2

2009-10-12 15:03:43

You know that is what I have always thought. To me Fox is truly at the midpoint of that line. Since nothing exists to the right of Fox and nothing as far to the right as the others to the left everyone thinks Fox is biased.

Maybe we should acknowlege that Fox News was a little off for all those silly segments "fact-checking" all those SNL skits lampooning George Bush for 8 years.

Did they really do that? I don't watch Fox news, so I wouldn't know. Too many celebrity trials and missing white girls.

Based on what happened with people thinking Tina Fey's character really was Sarah Palin it might not be a bad idea. However, the SNL skit on Obama was really more about what he hasn't done that the left really wants done.

Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 15:45:34

Nothing like a lack of proof to make you look like a buffoon.

You mean you blame FOX for what that guy on CNBC did — that Mad Money guy?

Nah, it wasn't even Jim Cramer. It was Rick Santelli.

Cant help people too stupid to see what you present in front of their faces…

No disrespect (alright, quite a bit of disrespect) intended, but somehow I don't think you're nearly as intelligent as you seem to think you are.

Last time I watched Glen Beck his advertisers comprised primarily of Rupert Murdoch owned companies.

Posted by Robert_Ingersoll

2009-10-12 12:37:30

Haven't watched in a while have you Robert… If you are refering to the point in time when obambi's czars were trying to take down beck because he was telling the truth… You were right! Watch the show tonight… it's on right now…

By the way… He and the other commentators on fox are destroying the "fringe" media every night! Even foxes rerun commentary shows do better than the fringe media's first run shows…

Keep spouting that trash… America and the rest of the world knows what a monumental mistake putting this child in control of world power has been and will be for decades in the future!

Posted by Christopher_Taylor

2009-10-12 16:27:53

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7x-dzXVcOw

Posted by Zheldon

2009-10-12 16:13:38

I remember having a heated argument with my brother in the days before Fox News about the demand for conservative media. I argued that Rush (relatively new at the time) was evidence that there was a huge untapped demand for a conservative TV News program. My brother, an ardent believer in free-market economics, scoffed that I was being naive, because supply always rushes in to meet demand and thus no such "untapped" demand could exist, and the failure of Rush's TV show proved that. Yet look at the money Murdoch is raking in with "celebrity trials and missing white girls" just by letting a handful of non-liberals sit behind a desk and bloviate a few hours each day.

Imagine what could happen in a world with a true conservative news program. Then entire playing field would shift below the feet of the MSM, forever chaning the perception of what is and isn't news in the world, throwing open the doors for an entirely new market in advertising, alternative programming, and who knows what. Just look at what conservative media on the internet has done (including taking down the biggest broadcast anchor in town), and the internet is 95% liberal! If only I have a few hundred million in seed capital…

What do you call the 912 Project?

An independent political organization founded by and composed of private citizens.

So…is this really your entire argument? I mean, yeah, the 9/12 Project was founded by Glenn Beck, but so what? It's not affiliated with or funded by Fox News. Is Glenn Beck somehow not allowed to attend political protests now?

Dan Rather was a featured speaker at a Democratic Party fundraiser in Texas. Does that make the Democratic Party a subsidiary of CBS?

Yeah I knew CNN did that but you said Fox did, was that meant to be sarcasm?

I take it that most people here were fans of CNN and MSNBC during the Bush years, eh? Since Fox News was the MSNBC of those years.

Posted by Huron_Serenity

2009-10-12 19:41:15

Can you cite some specific examples, if you will.

Posted by Huron_Serenity

2009-10-12 19:41:15

I'm sorry, I don't speak "retard". You're going to have to translate that into English for me.

I take it that most people here were fans of CNN and MSNBC during the Bush years, eh? Since Fox News was the MSNBC of those years.

Posted by Huron_Serenity

2009-10-12 19:41:15

No. CNN and MSNBC were full of shit then about bush and they are still full of shit now about obama. Truth and reporting news are not their function anymore.

was that meant to be sarcasm?

was it really that difficult, or am I missing something?

or am I missing something?

Posted by RWNReader2

2009-10-12 22:58:36

That's what a lobotomy does to ya.

That's what a lobotomy does to ya.

Posted by Realpolitik

2009-10-12 23:11:36

As you should know. Care to recommend a good doctor? The Dr. did such a wonderful job on you.

/sarc

The only one who can delegitimize Fox, is Fox themselves.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we'll be there to watch. I think he's Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?

From this mornings show on one of the NBC networks. Lifted from GatewayPundit.Blogspo.Com

Tell me Vega, how do you defend this? And tell me how the MSM is straight down the line.

I never said the MSM was straight down the line. And please, Fox News is not better in their anti-Obama tirades.

Tell Glenn Beck to get some more Vick's so he can really put on the waterworks next time.

I never said the MSM was straight down the line.

Actually, you have strongly implied it in numerous posts.

The only one who can delegitimize Fox, is Fox themselves.

I agree, CNN is in the process of that. MSNBC always has been, but a train wreck is difficult to ignore.