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Are We Making It Impossible For Our Own Troops To Beat The Taliban?
Written By : John Hawkins

It has been clear since the Bush years that there’s a contingent in the military that’s a lot more concerned about promotions and bad press than they are about the lives of the troops or winning wars, but it seems to be getting worse under the Obama administration:

To the U.S. Army soldiers and Marines serving here, some things seem so obviously true that they are beyond debate. Among those perceived truths: The restrictive rules of engagement that they have to fight under have made serving in combat far more dangerous for them, while allowing the Taliban to return to a position of strength.

“If they use rockets to hit the [forward operating base] we can’t shoot back because they were within 500 meters of the village. If they shoot at us and drop their weapon in the process we can’t shoot back,” said Spc. Charles Brooks, 26, a U.S. Army medic with 1st Battalion, 4th Infantry Regiment, in Zabul province.

Word had come down the morning Brooks spoke to this reporter that watch towers surrounding the base were going to be dismantled because Afghan village elders, some sympathetic to the Taliban, complained they were invading their village privacy. “We have to take down our towers because it offends them and now the Taliban can set up mortars and we can’t see them,” Brooks added, with disgust.

In June, Gen. David Petraeus, who took command here after the self-inflicted demise of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, told Congress that he was weighing a major change with rules for engaging enemy fighters in Afghanistan. That has not yet happened, troops say. Soldiers and Marines continue to be held back by what they believe to be strict rules imposed by the government of President Hamid Karzai designed with one objective: limit Afghan civilian casualties.

“I don’t think the military leaders, president or anybody really cares about what we’re going through,” said Spc. Matthew “Silver” Fuhrken, 25, from Watertown, N.Y. “I’m sick of people trying to cover up what’s really going on over here. They won’t let us do our job. I don’t care if they try to kick me out for what I’m saying — war is war and this is no war. I don’t know what this is.”

…But U.S. troops and Marines interviewed during the past month in Afghanistan question what negotiations would really mean, to both them and the Afghan people. And they almost universally believe that negotiating would be a mistake before achieving decisive gains they believe are attainable once oppressive rules of engagement are relaxed.

“What does it mean if we give in to the Taliban? They are the enemy,” Brooks said. “This place is going to be a safe haven for terrorists again. The government doesn’t care about the sacrifices already made. As far as the mission goes, I want to see these kids go to school and have a future but not at the expense of my friends — not anymore.”

We have the greatest military in the history of the planet, but we also have legions of politicians, generals, and military lawyers who’ve set up rules that have made it impossible for us to adequately use them.

Yes, we need to have some rules in place to protect civilians, but we’ve gone so overboard that we seem to be needlessly endangering the lives of our troops and aiding the enemy. How many of our soldiers are not going to come home to their families because of silly rules of engagement that are primarily designed to prevent negative news stories on CNN? How many Afghan civilians are going to be murdered by members of the Taliban that our troops could have killed if they wouldn’t have been handcuffed by our own rules of engagement?

David Petraeus may have done a phenomenal job in Iraq, but there seems to be little evidence at present that he’s making progress in Afghanistan. Maybe that’s not his fault, but Petraeus took the job and he has an obligation to the men under his command to get that job done. At the moment, it doesn’t look like he’s fulfilling his obligation. Neither is our Commander-In-Chief, who quite frankly, is looking like he doesn’t have the chops to fill the shoes of the man who was in office before him.

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  • Lee

    In war, people are going to die, sometimes innocent people. We firebombed German cities in WWII and nuked 2 Japanese cities. Germany bombed and launched random V-1 and V-2 rockets at London in WWII. All resulted in civilian casualties, but you didn’t hear anything near the level of whining if terrorists (who deliberately hide among civilians) are killed and a civilian is hurt or killed in the process.

    I propose the following Rules of Engagement. If you shoot at us, we will shoot back at you. If you hide among kids, that means you will be responsible for the injury or death of some of those kids. The media must hold you accountable. If you shoot from a hospital or church/mosque, we will shoot back. Your actions have made it a legitimate target. The media must emphasize this.

    Yes, I hold the media responsible for much of this. They consistently emphasize elements that put our troops in a negative light. That used to be called treason. It’s time for the general public to view it that way again.

    • Anonymous

      The tragic irony of all this is that by attempting to be more compassionate and limit civilian casualties we are extending the length of severity of the conflict; ultimately leading to more civilian casualties, increasing the chance of victory for people who behead women and rape children, and making it less likely the country will ever become a first world, healthy democracy.

      What we did to Japan and Germany during WWII was terrible. But it ended the war quickly and allowed both to become thriving free nations. Had we been more compassionate we’d likely still be fighting partisans there (if we hadn’t simply fled and let them collapse) and they’d both be war torn third world hellholes.

      Once again liberal compassion increases human suffering.

      • Ironhawk

        Well said. The sad thing is while every person who has ever served this country’s armed forces knows this, almost none of our politicians, juornalists, or academics do.

        i’d like to think an Allen West administration turns back some of these awful trends.

    • Anonymous

      The tragic irony of all this is that by attempting to be more compassionate and limit civilian casualties we are extending the length of severity of the conflict; ultimately leading to more civilian casualties, increasing the chance of victory for people who behead women and rape children, and making it less likely the country will ever become a first world, healthy democracy.

      What we did to Japan and Germany during WWII was terrible. But it ended the war quickly and allowed both to become thriving free nations. Had we been more compassionate we’d likely still be fighting partisans there (if we hadn’t simply fled and let them collapse) and they’d both be war torn third world hellholes.

      Once again liberal compassion increases human suffering.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jayhoffer Justin Hoffer

    Sun Tzu warned of the dangers of allowing civilian government to interfere in war. It isn’t hard to see why.

  • Anonymous

    It’s almost as if the people we’re fighting are neither mentally retarded nor bound by the same code of honor that we are and thus are able to A) recognize situations where US troops are prevented from retaliating and B) freely use that to their advantage.

  • Mooman

    Eh, it is a tricky situation. The grunts are going to complain because that’s what people on the ground do, complain about ground-level stuff.

    The US needs to win over afghan support somehow. It is not something the US is good at. You’ve set up a government (and you had to), and now that government is pricing its civilians at a higher value than US troops (no surprise there).

    What else do you do? Disband the government and you look stupid. And as invading warmongers.
    Keep the government and you hamstring your ability.

    To win the war, you cannot just disband the government – you’ll face more opposition than before. Why not just make the damn place a US protectorate?

  • Mooman

    Eh, it is a tricky situation. The grunts are going to complain because that’s what people on the ground do, complain about ground-level stuff.

    The US needs to win over afghan support somehow. It is not something the US is good at. You’ve set up a government (and you had to), and now that government is pricing its civilians at a higher value than US troops (no surprise there).

    What else do you do? Disband the government and you look stupid. And as invading warmongers.
    Keep the government and you hamstring your ability.

    To win the war, you cannot just disband the government – you’ll face more opposition than before. Why not just make the damn place a US protectorate?

    • Anonymous

      Winning Afghani support doesn’t have to involve endless appeasement measures for terrorist-sympathizing villagers.

      We should have left those watchtowers in place despite complaints from “village elders”. If they decided to start complaining to the media about the US military “spying” on innocent people, we should have fired back by accusing the complainers of not caring about the lives of innocent women and children and strongly implying that the complainers are terrorist sympathizers.

      THAT’S how you fight a propaganda war. With counter-propaganda. One of George Bush’s lesser known but larger failures as a President was his refusal to launch a serious propaganda war against the terrorists. We should have had humvees with loudspeakers mounted on top rolling through Iraqi and Afghani neighborhoods every day blasting anti-terrorist propaganda at 100 decibels. We should have been air-dropping leaflets all over the Afghani countryside with stories about how the terrorists have renounced Allah and worship the demon-god Moloch, and if you associate with them they will steal your children in the night, wrap them in the bloody pelts of unclean swine, and sacrifice them to their false god. And maybe some stories about the terrorists lying with men as men lie with women (that one has the benefit of possibly being true).

      http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2203190.ece

    • http://www.cavalierx.com CavalierX

      “The US needs to win over afghan support somehow.”

      Killing the terrorist scum who are trying to re-enslave them might do the trick… if our military were allowed to do that.

    • Anonymous

      We didn’t bother so much with winning German or Japanese support.

      Hell we carpet bombed their cities for years and nuked one of them. Then we had an occupation where any resistance was met with immediate and overwhelming response.

      I think the results were satisfactory.

      Contrary to popular opinion you do not make an enemy in to a friend by demonstrating an unwillingness to fight back when attacked.

      • Anonymous

        We didn’t bother so much with winning German or Japanese support.

        Well, we did, we just didn’t pussy-foot around back then the way we’re doing now.

        Our strategy for winning German and Japanese support, in less than 100 words: “Do what we say or we’ll blow you all to Hell. Again.”

        We also started an aggressive campaign of Denazification. We wiped out all traces of National Socialism from every country in Europe touched by the Nazis and the Fascists.

        I say we need to start a similar program to aggressively eliminate all traces of radical Islam from Iraq and Afghanistan, and the rest of the Middle East too if it comes to that.

        If it was good enough for the Nazis it’s good enough for the terrorists.

    • Anonymous

      We didn’t bother so much with winning German or Japanese support.

      Hell we carpet bombed their cities for years and nuked one of them. Then we had an occupation where any resistance was met with immediate and overwhelming response.

      I think the results were satisfactory.

      Contrary to popular opinion you do not make an enemy in to a friend by demonstrating an unwillingness to fight back when attacked.

    • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

      I agree you can’t just carpet bomb Afghanistan and kick babies around in the process, but we can’t handcuff ourselves, either. There are extremes and we’re too far in one right now.

  • Anonymous

    The Obama Administration has no idea how to handle the war in regards to dealing with Pakistan, and that’s where all these problems are coming from. Bush meticulously built a relationship with Pakistan that allowed us to really go after the Taliban while helping Pakistan deal with the sympathizers within their own government.

    Obama and Hillary have let that relationship fall apart, so their answer is to try and fight the war with drones…but while appeasing the radicals in Pakistan (which means negotiations and not going after them too hard).

    Basically they’ve let politics turn Afghanistan into Vietnam because just like the NVA had China and the USSR, the Taliban now has Pakistan as the untouchable sponsor state. Unless Pakistan cooperates there will literally be no way to win the war.

  • http://conservativebootcamp.com Martin Hale

    Sorry, but for me, this whole ship sailed close to 50 years ago with our troops in Vietnam having their hands tied by the VC tactic of hiding within civilian populations – closer to 60 years ago if you consider the FLN were doing the same thing in Algeria in the early-50′s.

    As nearly as I can tell, combatants hiding within the civilian population is the new normal for wars, and as such, I’d propose that it’s made a good old-fashioned war of conquest the only type of war worth fighting.

    Why?

    Because in a war of conquest, you are intentionally aiming to conquer the civilian population as well as the military. And all people in the nation you’ve invaded have to be viewed as at least potential combatants. So many of the prohibitions about not harming civilians can be relegated to “nice, if you can achieve it” status.

    Not that I”m advocating for wars of conquest, mind you, I’m just pointing out that with it becoming the norm for combatants to hide amongst the civilian population, it only makes sense to enter into a war in which you just don’t care if some civilians die, because you’re trying to conquer them anyway.

  • Anonymous

    “Are We Making It Impossible For Our Own Troops To Beat The Taliban?”

    I’ll assume that’s a joke question, since EVERYBODY with a brain knows the answer: The lunatic-left d-crat socialists want American to LOSE the WAR ON TERROR.

  • http://www.wordaroundthenet.com Christopher Taylor

    Yeah I read this guy’s complaint and its something I’ve worried about for a while now. McChrystal’s plan was “nobody gets hurt except the bad guys no matter what happens to us or victory” and so far Patraeus doesn’t seem to have changed that. Likely on direct order by President Obama, who is the commander in chief and unlike President Bush who was a delegator.

  • Proud Infidel

    I served over there from 05 to 06, and our ROEs were that we were to engage the moment they leveled a weapon at us. ROEs like this are what our troops were issued in Somalia. (I was Active Duty from 91-94, and almost went) When I was there, the Afghan people loved us being there, because we engaged and whipped the Taliban for one reason. Trash like these ROEs are like what they gave our troops in Vietnam, i.e. Neutral Zones where the VC and NVA would go to regroup, knowing we wouldn’t hit them there, etc. Asinine rules and regs like that hamstrung our troops then and there as well as Somalia, where battle decisions were made and relayed via satellite, and troops died unnecessarily. Crap like this is what comes from the left, I about puked up my lunch in the chow hall last week when I saw a CNN report pop up on the TV screen about how few Americans still support the war effort, etc., but I digress. Leftists hate vets and the military, and they’ll tie our hands and call us failures afterward, just like they did with Vietnam.

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