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February 01, 2007
John Hawkins Liberal "Mobying" On A MSNBC Post About Molly Ivins Death?

Over at the Huffpo, blogger Steve Andersen has a post called, "Molly Ivins: Right Wingers cheer her death." The egregious examples by far that he points out are some truly despicable comments at the MSNBC Message Board about Molly Ivins.

Here's a sample of what some of these scumbags have to say:

Joe R. (11 posts): A sad case -- she couldn't help being ugly AND stupid, but she could have kept her mouth shut and her fingers off the keyboard. Good riddance.

CRJ_Pilot (3 posts): All that liberal anger and rage against those not like her neocommunist self decayed Molly from the inside out. Hate kills.

Blueoystercult (5 posts): You see Molly, when you are so full of hate, the cheap way you attacked the president, no wonder you got cancer. The world is a better place without this vile witch!

Leo93230 (7 posts): i am soooooooo glad that she is dead. I smiled so BIG when i saw the news of her passing. GOOD RIDDANCE to a hate filled bitter old hag who had nothing good to say about anyone outside of her political views. I hope to GOD that there will never be another one-sided close-minded hate-filled columnist but then again........when she goes there are plenty of acid tongue liberals to go around to fill her shoes.

normalamerican (1 post): Good riddance to bad rubbish as my mom used to say. Her one-sided left-wing hatchet jobs are finally gone and will soon be forgotten.

Tramplife (1 post): They say bitterness is what brings on cancer and lowers the bodies resistance to fight the disease,and with the venom this legacy media relic spewed out it is no wonder she got it and "LOST the FIGHT".....I'm sure St. Peters has some good ol folks by his side who will see her for what she is and bounce her butt of the cloud.......GOOD RIDDANCE MOLLY , may you keep Saddaam warm for eternity!!!!

Brddrb (1 post): Hell just got a little more crowded.

canthony (9 post): No tears here, she was taking up space on this earth as with most liberals blaming their problems on everyone else, instead of themselves. Good riddance!!

Now obviously, these sort of incredibly inappropriate comments in wake of someone's death have unfortunately become more prevalent in recent years, so some of them could certainly be real. If they are -- and again, some of them may be -- they certainly deserve to be condemned in the strongest of terms.

However, if you'll notice, I included a post count with each offensive quote. That's because I don't think a lot of these posts are genuine. I think some liberal or group of liberals out there, either because they wanted to make conservatives look bad or because they wanted something to blog about, created most of them. Granted, not all of the accounts have been created since Ivins' death, but obviously, given their post counts, these are not people who regularly post on those boards. So, are there really that many people who were inspired to post for the first time, or at least for the first time in months, just so they could say nasty things about Molly Ivins after her death? It seems highly doubtful.

PS: The term "Mobying" comes from this quote by musician Moby:

"No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day. It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes. You target (Bush's) natural constituencies. For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion."

PS #2: When I take quotes from places like the Democratic Underground, I don't use quotes from people with under 40-50 comments for exactly this reason.

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Some are no doubt idiots who call themselves conservatives whom I do not want on my side. However, this is what makes me suspicious, just how many conservatives do you think bother to blog (or even read) MsNBC online?
Whatever their political beliefs are, it is really sad that people cannot put their hatred aside for even a few moments.

Here's an example:

Brddrb (1 post): Hell just got a little more crowded.

What good do thoughts like these do to improve your own life? Is your life going to get any better because Ivins is spending eternity in hell? I always despised her writings but I would NEVER wish this for her. The world (and the afterlife) are big enough for the both of us. Unfortunately, too many people think that wishing ill of others will somehow better their life.

They may indeed be conservatives and, if so, they have lost the REAL meaning of their beliefs. This is unacceptable, PERIOD!

RIP Ms. Ivins
Molly Ivins' death should NOT a reason for such disgusting comments. While Ms. Ivins' politics and writing are polar opposites of what I believe and therefore subject to attack, I do not think it appropriate to personally attack her and wish her evil upon her death. All these comments do is verify to many on the left the coldheartednewss and callousness of conservatives.
I thought Molly Ivins was a moonbat and not very talented. That said, I took issue with what she wrote, not with the person who she was. Anyone, be they conservatives or libs pretending to be conservatives, who say such things should be ashamed.

I hope that God is with Ms. Ivins' family and friends in their hour of grief. She is in my prayers.
"All these comments do is verify to many on the left the coldheartednewss and callousness of conservatives."


....and thus, the MOBY accusation.
I admit my first thought was rather nasty and vitriolic, but almost immediately I realized how bad that made me.

I can say that my sympathies go out to her family and friends. But I can't say that I will miss reading her columns.

this brings up a larger issue. I did not agree with Ivins, but had no reason to believe she was not a good, but misguided person.

On the other hand, I have no such belief about Jimmy Carter who is a truly despicable person who constantly harms his own country.

Will it be all right for me to be happy when he dies? (Not that I will post something stupid on a blog)
It's not nice or honorable to celebrate anyone's death, even your enemy's.

You can be satisfied a killer cannot kill anymore, but no death should be celebrated.

I applaud Mr. Hawkins pointing out this venom towards Ms. Ivins. I don't hold any of the comments from an anonymous blog against conservatives. I hope you all won't hold comments from DU against liberals.
Those comments, however inappropriate, are precisely what the leftists do (by the score) when an outspoken or prominent conservative passes. This is the bigger issue; Conservatives (the exception being those who's comments we've just read) feel that liberals are simply wrong, or misguided. We don't wish death upon them. Liberals believe that conservatives are truly evil. Wishing them death, therefore, feels perfectly good, righteous, and noble.
I won't hold them against liberals like you DV.
It's not nice or honorable to celebrate anyone's death, even your enemy's.


I beg to differ. I celebrated when I heard of Saddam's death. I plan to celebrate when I hear of Osama bin Laden and Fidel Castro's deaths as well. I imagine lots of people celebrated when we finally confirmed Hitler's death.

It is perfectly reasonable to celebrate an enemy's death. However, Molly Ivins was not an "enemy". She was, at best, a rival. The idea that our political opponents are "enemies" is precisely why politics has become such a cutthroat business.
Those comments, however inappropriate, are precisely what the leftists do (by the score) when an outspoken or prominent conservative passes.


Too true. I remember a frank discussion I once had with a gay man while I was in high school. He claimed that his chapter of the Gay/Straight Alliance was keeping a bottle of champagne to be opened on the eve of Ronald Reagan's death.
Classless people celebrate the death of a rival. Molly Ivins was not our enemy, although it was clear from her writings that she considered Republicans HER enemies.

Celebrating the death of an enemy, ala Saddam or Osama, is a different matter entirely.
I would not celebrate Osama's or Sadam's death.

Celebrating, to me anyway, is the joy you feel and the partying you do when you get married or graduate or have a baby or get a new job.

That's celebrating. The feeling I had when Sadam was caught or put to death was satisfaction. Resolution. Accomplishment. I would feel the same if UBL faced a similiar fate. When or if he is killed I will be satisfied, but I will also say a prayer and remember all the people that suffered because of him.

I would not be popping champagne or having a keg party.

I think you demean yourself when find joy in an otherwise morbid and sober event.

Tell that to the Cubans in Miami.
I had a 5 liter keg with two of my friends the day Uday and Qusay died. I had a six pack with one of my friends the day Saddam died. I had a couple of shots in celebration the day we pulled Saddam out of that rathole.

Maybe I just have a drinking problem, but I enjoy celebrating the deaths of scum of the earth like them.
Tell that to the Cubans in Miami.


I happen to have Cuban friends in the Tampa area, and I just might hop a plane to join them for the Big Party when that vile sonofabitch Castro dies. I'll be sure to let them know of your prissy disapproval of their celebrating the death of the dictator who stole their country, killed members their families and ruined their lives. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what they'll say.
Well, ok, I will not celebrate when Carter finally shuffles off where he can do no more harm. But I will feel satisfied.
D, you deserve to not be lumped in with the DUers and KOS Kids, but some of the liberals who come here do. Luckily they usually don't last long.
So what are we terrorist-sympathizing, fifth-columnist, totalitarian-loving, treasonous Democrats (isn't that what we liberals are by definition?): rivals or enemies?

PS: Rose, save your breath, we already know what you think.
Anybody read "Shrub"? If not, you should.
So what are we terrorist-sympathizing, fifth-columnist, totalitarian-loving, treasonous Democrats (isn't that what we liberals are by definition?): rivals or enemies?

Posted by huckupchuck
Well, since you asked so nicely! ;)

You are rivals in the arena of political ideas. I want the same thing you do; to destroy my rival with facts and logic and win him or her to my side. It hasn't happened with you yet, Huck, but I am still hopeful! ;)

Unfortunately, some of the Liberals on here (and a couple of Conservatives) want nothing more than to display their point of view in a caustic manner, and denigrate any and all opposition. They are the trolls, worthy of the same amount of respect and tolerance they give others. Even then, I don't want them dead, but I wouldn't cry if they went away!
So what are we terrorist-sympathizing, fifth-columnist, totalitarian-loving, treasonous Democrats (isn't that what we liberals are by definition?): rivals or enemies?


Again, "rival" does not accurately describe how I view liberals or (I would hope) how liberals view us. But it is a much more accurate description than "enemy". An enemy is someone you hate. Someone you seak to utterly defeat so that they never trouble you again. A rival is someone you may dislike and disagree with, but you are perfectly willing to coexist with.
So what are we war-mongering, fascist, freedom-hating, racist, bigoted, Jesus-freak Republicans (isn't that what we conservatives are by definition?): rivals or enemies?

Goes both ways, Huck.
I know very little about Ms Ivins but one thing sticks out. She was on O'Reilly and she took issue with him calling her a socialist. Bill asked if she didn't want the government to run the economy, she then said something to the effect, "no, I believe in the free market as long as the government regulates it." Which of course is pretty much the definition of socialism
Dying isn't personal. Nobody gets out of here alive.

So you may want to think that what Liberals say about Ann Coulter While she is alive is just as agregious.
I happen to have Cuban friends in the Tampa area, and I just might hop a plane to join them for the Big Party when that vile sonofabitch Castro dies. I'll be sure to let them know of your prissy disapproval of their celebrating the death of the dictator who stole their country, killed members their families and ruined their lives. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what they'll say.

Please add that their joy towards Castro's death rings hollow while their country is still not free . Once their country is free from the communist oligarchy, they should celebrate in the streets like a Brazilian carnivale. Even if that happens five minutes after Castro's death, I'll celebrate with them.
My sympathies are with her family.
That said...If I've ever read one of her columns, it was by accident. I never knew about her enough to despise her.
Now, Peter Jennings...Thats a different story. I grew to genuinely hate the man.
I didn't go out and fire my pistol in the air at his death, but I didn't go break a 40 oz. on the curb, either.
So what are we war-mongering, fascist, freedom-hating, racist, bigoted, Jesus-freak Republicans (isn't that what we conservatives are by definition?): rivals or enemies?

Goes both ways, Huck.

Posted by jimg
I've never even thought this way about conservatives, much less stated as much. I've never considered conservatives to be my enemies, but always people who want what's best for this country, and, by extension, what's best for me. I may disagree with conservatives on what is best for the country and for me, but I've never defined conservatives in the way that you mention. And those "liberals" who do are nothing more than bitter, crackpot, deranged, lunatic fools. (aside: I don't consider such people to be true liberals.) And I'd have no qualms about saying this to their gnarly, contorted, and angry faces. I would hope you would think the same way about those conservatives who think liberals are terrorist-sympathizing, fifth-columnist, totalitarian-loving traitors.
Anybody read "Shrub"? If not, you should.
Posted by demtse


I get enough childish humor by reading books to my children at night.
May she rest in peace.
D-Vega,

I was going to take issue with your take on the Miami Cubans at Castro's death, but I saw your second comment on the topic. But, my question is how can you separate the two issues. The communist regime is largely propped up by a cult of personality around Castro. His death would effectively amount to the beginning of the end, much as the collapse of the Iron Curtain was the beginning of the end for Soviet communism.
Now, huck, don't be so hard on yourself. Just because you're wrong doesn't mean you're a bad person 87D


Huck, You are a mostly reasonable guy.
Laying all of the bitter, deranged crackpots (from both sides) to the side for a second, I think if the "right" side of the issues were clearly identified, you would be more apt to be in agreement with their position more often than you'd probably think.
In my mind the conservative position should always be for supporting state's rights on social issues. (as long as it doesn't infringe on another state)
In that respect, I think that people dubbed "social conservatives" are in reality, social liberals. Even though I agree with most of their positions on a personal level, I do not believe it is the Federal govt's right to impose social laws on states.
I know that won't make me popular with some here....Sorry
"The communist regime is largely propped up by a cult of personality around Castro. His death would effectively amount to the beginning of the end, much as the collapse of the Iron Curtain was the beginning of the end for Soviet communism."

True. I'll admit Castro is a special case, since the country has been under his thumb for nearly fifty years.

But I think that is the more important issue. Whether it's the beginning of the end. Or whether the small group of Castrites will hold onto to power by any means necessary. We shall see. There's no way Castro can last much longer. I give him a year at most.
OK... I confess... when Edward Said died I was happy about it.

But Molly Ivins? Who cheers for one less echo in the chamber pot?

I'm sorry she died but I don't believe for a minute the comments weren't exactly what you describe... 'Mobying'.

Just like the 'But'-heads that call up talk radio and say "I used to be a (R)epublican but..."
Do you think when George W. Bush dies, many years from now, people around the world will celebrate?
Like Ms Ivins said:

"We are the deciders"

RIP
I will not be crying any tears for this liberal hack. She was the most depressing POS by local paper REGULARLY printed in the editorial section.

NO TEARS
Can we all cheer when Castro dies? Or is that bad PC crap too?
Do you think when George W. Bush dies, many years from now, people around the world will celebrate?


Only the scum.
Please add that their joy towards Castro's death rings hollow while their country is still not free . Once their country is free from the communist oligarchy, they should celebrate in the streets like a Brazilian carnivale.


So you Liberals even want to regulate people's feelings now. They're not allowed to celebrate the death of the man who destroyed everything they held dear; joy is only approved when celebrating a more impersonal event. Scratch a Liberal, find a totalitarian.
Do you think when George W. Bush dies, many years from now, people around the world will celebrate?
Only the scum.


I'm going to throw a party and dress up like an emperor and hire a clown dressed like him to speak in non-intelligible sentences like " fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, I won't be fooled again, he, he (smirk, shoulder shrug)"
Can someone ban troll-boy, please?
Posted by demtse
February 2, 2007 7:25 AM


Nobody here cares what you think so why don't you go away?
Nobody here cares what you think so why don't you go away?

Posted by i_b_perky February 2, 2007 8:04 AM

Think? You have given him WAY too much credit.
So you Liberals even want to regulate people's feelings now.


Who said that? I did not say they should be arrested or fined.

They're not allowed to celebrate the death of the man who destroyed everything they held dear;


I would not say they are not allowed. But they are not above criticism either.

joy is only approved when celebrating a more impersonal event.


Getting married or graduating or having a baby or getting a new job or your country being freed is personal.

Scratch a Liberal, find a totalitarian.


If that's the case, I command you to scratch a little lower.
Do you think when George W. Bush dies, many years from now, people around the world will celebrate?


Only the scum.


I'm going to throw a party


As I said...
Who said that? I did not say they should be arrested or fined.


And that's the only way you know of regulating people's behavior? Please, I know you know better. I said regulate, not legislate.

If that's the case, I command you to scratch a little lower.


Not without gloves.
Do you think when George W. Bush dies, many years from now, people around the world will celebrate?


Haven't you heard? George Bush made a deal with the JOOOOOS for their secret imortality serum. He's never going to die.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA
In The GOD FATHER classic, the gonners used to sleep with the fish. I find it quite ironic that this particular Bushwacker now sleeps under the SHRUBS and BUSHES. But don't worry, the Democrat Liberals that DIE always seem to VOTE later on, especially in Illinois - the home of Barack Hussein O Bomb A, eh?
I think it's trying to communicate with us...
With the Atheist Broadcast Communist (ABC) Mother Canucker Peter 'Should Have Not Inhaled' Jennings gone, as well as 'Good Gollie Socialist' Mollie 'Poison' Ivy, that's TWO less votes for their presidential candidate in 2008 - Hillary or O Bomb A or Opee Edwards or Senator Joe 'Only Likes Clean American Africans'Biden or the other 20 Democrat Libs 'R Us and Sorelosermen 2008!
on my theconservativecrawfish Blog I wrote...
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Best-selling author and columnist Molly Ivins, the sharp-witted liberal who skewered the political establishment and referred to Prsident Bush as “Shrub,” died at 62..

NOTE: She was the most vicious ranting liberal I ever read. Every article was a litany of factless assertations, bashes, name-calling and baloney.
A true modern angry secular socialist with not a realistic solution for anything of significance (expect more secular socialism). She made a living as a political “Don Rickles”. Not impressed with her pseudo-contributions. This AP article about her is biased (inaccurate as expected). Somebody should write about her death in her style. (as she would gleefully do for any conservative or Repub President or anyone she spat her venom on without evidence). Thank God most writers have a lot more class than she ever displayed.
So let me get this straight... she earned points for her "sharp wit" by referring to George Bush as "Shrub?"

Wow.

If the AP thinks that is an example of "Sharp wit," then the kid I knew back in 5th grade that the way to get a girl to have sex with you was to "rubber balls and liquor" must have been a veritable junior Shakespeare, in their view...
I take no joy in her death. In fact, until now I did not even know she had passed, that is how little I took notice of her.
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