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November 19, 2008
Melissa Clouthier Jonah Goldberg On Kathleen Parker's "G-O-D" Shame

Kathleen Parker revealed her hip happeningness yet again today:

As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.

Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that.

Jonah Goldberg responds by saying, "Quit it. Kathleen":

I don't know what's more grating, the quasi-bigotry that has you calling religious Christians low brows, gorillas and oogedy-boogedy types or the bravery-on-the-cheap as you salute -- in that winsome way -- your own courage for saying what (according to you) needs to be said. Please stop bragging about how courageous you are for weathering a storm of nasty email you invite on yourself by dancing to a liberal tune. You aren't special for getting nasty email, from the right or the left. You aren't a martyr smoking your last cigarette. You're just another columnist, talented and charming to be sure, but just another columnist. You are not Joan of the Op-Ed Page. Perhaps the typical Washington Post reader (or editor) doesn't understand that. But you should, and most conservatives familiar with these issues can see through what you're doing.

Besides being patronizing and noting a problem (which has at its core a very debatable premise), Ms. Parker lacks solutions. In part, I agree with her assessment about the God talk, but her obvious prejudice, and that of her media pals is an even bigger problem for Republicans. That is to say, that the description Ms. Parker writes of conservative Christians is a classic caricature and reveals her ignorance of the diversity that makes up that constituency. Because of her narrow-mindedness, she cannot formulate helpful solutions for addressing this typically Republican voting block. Likewise, it is obvious that the Republicans, and the conservative movement generally need to reach other constituencies--ones who tend to vote Democrat.

How?

Perhaps Ms. Parker could gather her formidable wit and way with words and formulate a solution rather than destroy what isn't really a problem. Dehumanizing, demeaning, and really, demonizing the whole base of the Republican party seems counter-productive for someone who is in the same party. When the foundation crumbles, the house will fall on Ms. Parker, too. Unless, of course, she's really not part of the house anymore, if she ever was, and has already moved in spirit (and one could say, in body, considering her employer) to another home. If that's the case, she should admit to herself and to her readers her new home.

David Frum, Kathleen Parker, Chris Buckley, David Brooks and the rest, have become experts at demolition. They need to refocus their efforts and consider what it will take to rebuild their house. Or have they already moved and don't know it?

Cross-posted at MelissaClouthier.com

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Kathleen Parker is just mad because voters have proven this moderate bullshit wrong and she sees the writing on the wall of a conservative take over of the party, rendering her without influence.
Unfortunately, the "let's blame Christians for this loss and toss 'em under the bus (because tossing fiscal conservatives off the party worked so damn well, we should reserve the same fate for our second largest constituency)" wing is taking over. I've quit reading Little Green Footballs because of this crap.

I'll keep saying this: if the GOP turns its shoulders on the social conservatives, the next considerable electoral result will be to even break double digits.
I hope no one minds, but I'm going to repeat some comments I've made on another site regarding some of the moderates recent attempts to dismiss relgious conservatives within the Republican Party:

I'm hardly the most religious guy you'd ever want to meet. My last church service was my wedding, some four years ago. And that was a Unitarian service. Really, my main concern in politics is maintaining my freedom. And, in practical, definable terms, the daily threats to my liberty are not being pushed by religious conservatives. It wasn't religious conservatives who've told me I'm breaking the law if I light up in a bar. It wasn't religious conservatives who've forbidden me from buying food made with trans fats. It wasn't religious conservatives who pushed speech codes on our college campuses and dictate hate crimes laws. It wasn't religious conservatives who've made it a bureaucratic journey to buy a gun to protect my home and family. It isn't religious conservatives I see trying to revive the fairness doctrine to specifically silence their political opposition. It wasn't religious conservatives to gave us "campaign finance reform". It isn't the religious conservatives who have told me that I have to separate my trash, even to the point of removing individual trashcans in my office building.

Put bluntly, I can't help but feel I'm being sold a bill of goods here. Progressives, with the full consent of moderates,...chip away consistently and unabashedly at my freedom. All the while, telling me how scared I should be of the religious conservative bogeyman hiding under the bed. Do I think there's some religious conservatives who go over the top? Sure. But, marginalizing the religious conservatives en masse is a surefire way to empower just those religious conservatives who do go over the top. Moreover, I'm getting a little more than tired of being told to be scared about the threat to my liberty posed by my allies by people whose own behavior tells me they want nothing more than to restrict my freedom.
Fiscal liberalism and expanding government is what is killing the GOP. The party does have a tendency to be too heavy handed on the social adgenda, but blaming it for the party's problems is like complaining about chipping paint in a house that's being knocked over by a tornado.

The GOP's experiment with "compassionate conservatism" has been a total failure, but consider what parts of the adgenda have changed. Small government social conservatism is a winner. Big government social conservatism is a loser. Fix the economic components and the voters will return.
Kathleen Parker fancies herself as the next Dorothy Parker.

Unforyunately, she has instead become another Maureen Dowd.
A lot of us "G-O-D" people expect this line of reasoning and those of us with a particular eschatology which expects "tribulation" REALLY expect this. And I'm not in any way saying we're "persecuted" in any way--yet. I am saying, that, in time, those not specifically committed to the Christian faith, eventually find it inconvenient when it foils their prospects for whatever goals they have at present.

When all else fails, blame Christians (and/or Jews). Oh, nevermind the big government mentality and the tepid response to Democrat political opposition that has come to characterize today's GOP--no, it's Huckabee (??) that is the problem.

Right.

And of course, all the enlightened Repubs (you know who you are, wink!) have been ruminating on this "problem" for some time and (with some reluctance no doubt) more or less agree with Kathleen but just not with how she expresses. Perhaps with a few more political setbacks, you can muster up her level of hostility.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is EXACTLY why yours truly is not a Republican. Because I know that when the chips are down, GOP leadership is just as willing as the Donkey party to jettison people of faith. I've seen this exact same line of reasoning in the last 3 elections but this time in greater numbers (and with less drama) among more "reasonable" conservatives. Which tells me that it is becoming a settled article of faith--err--thought. People are going to scream and object that I'm going too far. Wait and see.

The same people who know GOOD AND WELL that our Founders and subsequent political leaders after them (among them, those we consider the "greatest". Lincoln, anyone?) used more "G-O-D" talk than anything we've seen in the last 30 years. These same people will acknowledge that it was the worldview of the Founders, largely informed by a Christian perspective, that gave rise to both theirs and this country's greatness.

Ahh, yes, but when the chips are down, who do we need to jettison? The Arnold/Hagel/Collins/Graham/MCCAIN types? No, no, my uneducated, knuckledragging, "Left Behind"-reading friend. It's YOU--yeah, YOU--the awful Evangelical that is the big problem here. Why even Dr. Clouthier and Jonah Goldberg agree!

So give us your money, vote for our guy, but please shut up and sit down--preferably in the back. Can't you see we're trying to "build a movement" here?
The possible future head of the Republican party in Ohio made similar comments to the press. After the uproar he claimed he was quoted out of context.

Do these losers really want to chase Christians out of the party? Maybe they think we are like blacks, who will vote for them regardless of how bad their policies are.

Well, we are not. Give us a moral agenda and we will cooperate. Turn pagan on us and we're out of there. These stupid people just got their heads handed to them. Now they want more!?
To those who think the GOP should lay off the "God talk"

You are dead wrong about the role of religious rhetoric making an impact on this election.
Hell, that's EXACTLY what won.
Obama came across as being the most pious to liberal Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Secular Humanists, and Pagans alike.

Here's a guy who made all of these comments during the campaign:
"But what I am suggesting is this: Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square."

"My father, who returned to Kenya when I was just two, was born a Muslim, but as an adult was an atheist. My mother, whose parents were non-practicing Baptists and Methodists, was probably one of the most spiritual people I knew, and because she grew up with a healthy skepticism of organized religion, so did I."

"He introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ, and I learned that my sins could be redeemed."
(speaking of Jerry Wright)

"Let's come together, Protestant and Catholic, Muslim and Hindu and Jew, believer and, yes, nonbeliever alike."


Here's a MSNBC article detailing how the various faiths voted:
"A new poll by the Barna Group shows Obama leading McCain among all faith groups – except for evangelicals. “For the most part, the various faith communities of the U.S. currently support Sen. Obama for the presidency. Among the 19 faith segments that The Barna Group tracks, evangelicals were the only segment to throw its support to Sen. McCain. Among the larger faith niches to support Sen. Obama are non-evangelical born again Christians (43% to 31%); notional Christians (44% to 28%); people aligned with faiths other than Christianity (56% to 24%); atheists and agnostics (55% to 17%); Catholics (39% vs. 29%); and Protestants (43% to 34%). In fact, if the current preferences stand pat, this would mark the first time in more than two decades that the born again vote has swung toward the Democratic candidate.”


So...I guess it's true.
It must have been that ONE particular Christian sect that cost McCain the race. So we should abandon all "God talk", because clearly that doesn't work...Unless you're Obama
One more:
"We're going to keep on praising together. I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth."
Posted by MrMeaner
2008-11-19 18:37:24


Outstanding!
Jettison the evangelicals and the GOP will never win another race again. Why? It is what separates Republicans from the Democrats. Dump the GOD talk and what do you have? Democrats-lite. What incentive will the middlecrats have to vote GOP?

We don't need to sell the party to anyone. We need to behave and live like conservatives/Republicans have traditionally behaved and people will flock to the party. Besides voters are going to really crave change after four years of Obama.
So, exactly what is it that is keeping these erstwhile creatures from being firmly esconced in their natural, and peculiarly custom-designed setting and enrollment in the Dim Party?

I mean, the Dims are even a perfectly natural party for masochism, too.

I'll keep saying this: if the GOP turns its shoulders on the social conservatives, the next considerable electoral result will be to even break double digits.
Posted by smelvertising
2008-11-19 12:43:20


It will be nice, in that event, to see the Social Conservatives stop groveling to the Social Liberal Socialist RINOS in the GOP, though.

I'm so beyond tired of THAT.

Voting to be the political foot-draggers on a space ship to nowhere is not fun anymore.
Do these losers really want to chase Christians out of the party? Maybe they think we are like blacks, who will vote for them regardless of how bad their policies are.


Way to demonstrate how progressive and intelligent you are with blatant racism.

I agree with most of Dr. Clouthier's points. I think that the difference in analysis is the thought that a lot more of the middle ground voters are like me - conservative, except when it comes to religious-only convictions like abortion rights and gay marriage.
All the well educated voters who tend to vote liberal - they're not doing it because they fail to understand they economic advantages of conservitivism. They're doing it because they see in religious doctrine all the bigotry and outdated views of gender and sexual orientation that so obviously resemble racism, and they value liberty more than economics.
Get to a point when you're both improving the economy and NOT taking rights from women and gays, guess what, all the "liberal" education centers will suddenly be on your side.
Also, I'd loooooooove to see an example of the kind of "God" talk that's soooooooo damaging and driving folks away and see some kind of survey against it.
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