Hey! Mind your own business. Mocking Obama's agenda is our job
An American who left the United States to join an Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia is strongly condemning President Obama's efforts to seek "a new beginning" with the Muslim world, mocking Obama's "magic of charisma" and warning of more attacks against U.S. interests."Despite the fact that you have been ... forced [by Muslim fighters] to at least pretend to extend your hand in peace to the Muslims, we cannot and shall not extend our hands," said the man in the audiotape, identified by the Washington-based Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) as Abu Mansour al-Amriki. "Rather, we shall extend to you our swords, until you leave our lands."
The 20-minute audiotape, called "The Beginning of the End," was posted Thursday on several jihadist web sites as a direct response to Obama's much-publicized speech in Cairo on June 4, when he promised "a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world."
"Let this not come as a surprise to those who are mesmerized by Obama's speech in Cairo, our positions ... have not changed in the least," al-Amriki said, in the transcription provided by MEMRI. "If we study his words carefully, we can note very clearly that this new beginning is still heavily based upon American interests ... [Obama spoke] not because he loves the Muslims he lived with in Indonesia, as a boy, but rather, it is because the only way to defeat the Muslims is by distracting them with this temporary life."
As Obama runs around the world on his apology tours, as he tries to reach out to blood thirsty enemies - while simultaneously dissing our allies - it is quite apparent that he is wasting his time, he is being played, and he is turning American power back into the paper tiger version Bin Laden scoffed at back in the 90's. And these groups will still hate the United States for being the greatest nation ever, no matter how much Obama reaches out and apologises.
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Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 10:01:24
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:07:37
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:09:58
/filling in for pet moonbats since they only respond to softballs these days
Posted by Bellacuse
2009-07-10 10:10:17
Film at 11.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:12:43
lol - Dear god, where will it end?
Posted by Bellacuse
2009-07-10 10:12:54
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 10:01:24
Grasshopper, you need to reflect how the mainstream media will spin this (if they'll reply at all):
FUTURE NY TIMES HEADER: "American who joined Al-Quaeda was a know listener to the Rush Limbaugh show regularly, read "National Review," was pro-life and a gun fanatic."
Once you become one with the mainstream media (then take a bath to wash the stink off afterwords) you will know what they will say.
/Master Po
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:18:00
begin his "Apology for his previous apology" tour through the Middle East.Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:09:58
TFTFY, King!!!
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-10 10:20:57
Hunh. When we do that, they call us racists.
Posted by CavalierX
2009-07-10 10:22:54
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-10 10:20:57
Well said but you'll have to admit it would be hilarious as hell if Obama really did apologize for his previous apology speeches. Obama apparently is too stupid to realize that the terrorists will look for any excuse to criticize him or the US.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:29:06
In Obama's "Apology to apologize for the improper apologies where my tone was not really apologetic in a humble apologetic fashion" tour.
...said the man in the audiotape, identified by the Washington-based Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) as Abu Mansour al-Amriki. "Rather, we shall extend to you our swords, until you leave our lands."
"And while you extend your swords we'll extend to you our rifles, mortars, fighter jets and everything else we can throw at you. In other words, never bring a sword to a gunfight."
-- United States Military, where it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed overnight.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:35:52
Golly, that almost sounds like exactly what we all said they'd do if Obama was elected.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 10:36:05
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2009-07-10 10:36:33
Damn tags!
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:36:58
2009-07-10 10:18:00
EUUUUUU!!!!!!
Master I don’t wanna!!! Icky goo!!!!
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 10:38:08
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
Nobody said it did nor implied it, dumbass.
Read the header first, the rest of us did. Try to keep up.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 10:39:33
Posted by Mike_M
2009-07-10 10:42:09
2009-07-10 10:36:33
Yes it was. Can’t believe you don’t understand that.. Wait yes I can. You should change your name to Lips permanently affixed to BO's ground eye.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 10:42:21
What kind of logic is that?
The apology tour was aimed at Muslims. Al Qaeda is a Muslim terrorist group. Therefore, the apology tour was aimed at Al Qaeda.
Deal with it.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 10:43:02
2009-07-10 10:42:21
Being a little hard on TPD aren't you? After all, he is the smartest person on the blog. Just ask him. The thing about these liberals is that they will never, ever admit that they are wrong about anything, especially "The Lord Messiah"
Posted by NORSEMAN
2009-07-10 10:48:53
Barack Obama may indeed be a self-serving, duplicious, chain-smoking, power-hungry Fascist... but he's our self-serving, duplicious, chain-smoking, power-hungry Fascist. He is the President of the United States... We Americans can talk sh*t about him if we choose to, traitorous douche-bags like yourself can not. IOW: go f*ck your goat and STFU.
Btw, no one (who has sense, anyway) is surprised in the least by your statement; we know that you and your ilk do not want peace under ANY circumstance.
Posted by Good_Ol_Boy
2009-07-10 10:56:26
2009-07-10 10:48:53
Not at all. Truth hurts. He should be used to it by now hanging around this place. Sooner or later someone here will put a welt on him. Bit masochistic if ya ask me. But then who ever said liberals were not self loathing hypocritical cowards.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:02:06
That's not logic at all.
Obama is/was reaching out to muslims in general.
This is good for Obama. Let AQ distinguish themselves.
This is proof positive that the reaching out has had a positive effect.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:03:42
2009-07-10 10:56:26
Hey GOB. Hope all is well. This article pretty much explains how to deal with the terrorists. Great article and a highly recommended read. Put's things into perspective.
http://www.americanthinker.com..._for_george_w_b.html
Posted by NORSEMAN
2009-07-10 11:05:25
Unless you're Israel.
(Iran builds nukes, threatens death and destruction)
Obama's response: "Assalaamu alaykum."
(Jew builds a house)
Obama's response: "OH MY F****** GOD, DEFCON 3, CALL THE UN, CALL THE JOINT CHIEFS, CALL GERALDO, SANCTIONS, ISRAEL IS THREATENING WORLD PEACE!!!11!!!11!!!!"
Posted by Mike_M
2009-07-10 11:12:39
Yes it is.
This is good for Obama. Let AQ distinguish themselves.
Funny, the left never said that during Bush's term. I thought we were creating terrorists.
This is proof positive that the reaching out has had a positive effect.
Tell that to Al-Quaeda because they're not saying that.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 11:14:10
Except samurai, ninerdog, etc.
Try to keep up.
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2009-07-10 11:16:51
2009-07-10 11:03:42
So using your “logic” He was talking to them because they are Muslim and not talking to them because they are terrorists but it shows that reaching out to terrorists who still want to kill us and have not changed was a brilliant move on his part because he showed them his weakness.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:17:02
This is good for Obama. Let AQ distinguish themselves.
VEGA-TO-ENGLISH TRANSLATION: *kiss, kiss, kiss*; "yes, master"
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 11:17:08
Posted by Zheldon
2009-07-10 11:20:18
Try to keep up.
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2009-07-10 11:16:51
How fucking stupid are you?
Let's look at your comments again, emphasis mine:
Who apologized? Obama. Al-Qaeda is responding to Obama's speech stating that they don't accept the apology and ninerdog and samuri are commenting on that fact.
Do you need me to translate that to one-syllable words?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 11:22:52
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 11:22:52
Make it Quarter syllables, it is TPD after all!!!
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-10 11:27:03
No, he wasn't talking to them.
The only communications we've had with the since Obama started is bombs dropped from drones.
That ain't an apology.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:31:30
Therefore, the apology tour was aimed at Al Qaeda.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 10:43:02
Posted by Tom_pinko_Delay
2009-07-10 11:31:44
Posted by martinhale
2009-07-10 11:32:13
The Iraq invasion was directed against the terrorists only and yet, the left screamed that we were creating new terrorists. Now, all of a sudden, the left is distinguishing Al-Qaeda from the general Muslim population.
Bush specifically stated that our actions were directed against Al-Qaeda and their supporters.
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 11:32:34
2009-07-10 11:31:30
So now you are saying that AQ are not Muslims and BO was not talking to them. But was talking to them using drones and bombs. So he is not talking to them because he is talking to them. Dude how the hell do you pee in the morning?
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:36:34
2009-07-10 11:32:13
Same here I just skimmed through it, and paid particular attn to mention of AQ and the Palis and you're right he doesn't exempt them from his apology. Therefor he apologized to ALL muslims, AQ and the Palis included.
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-10 11:46:10
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:47:42
AQ made it clear way before Obama was elected that it didn't matter what he did or said.
The outreach was made to create even more division in that part of the world between these guys and those who would be considered "moderate".
It only helps Obama when he makes an honest effort to create inroads with the muslim world and at the same time these guys, who are the fringe, spew the same nonsense.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:50:18
That is not true. AQ made up only 6% of the insurgent attacks in Iraq.
Iraq achieve progress when the same guys who were fighting us (tribal leaders & Baathists) switched sides and began working with us. Their version of "moderates" changed the game, and in turn fought against the die-hard extremists.
That is also proof positive that outreach works.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:55:21
And Al Qaeda is a group composed entirely of Muslims. Therefore, Obama is/was reaching out to Al Qaeda.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't logic.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 11:57:52
This is good for Obama. Let AQ distinguish themselves.
This is proof positive that the reaching out has had a positive effect.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:03:42
I didn't say AQ weren't muslims, I said that outreach is not geared to them.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:50:18
Bit confused here so maybe you can help out. In one post you say he is talking to Muslims in general. AQ are Muslims so he was generally talking to THEM! However because you say he is not talking to them so that would mean they are not Muslim. So who was he talking to?
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:58:10
I was mistaken. The invasion was directed against the people who sided with Al-Qaeda. However, as you stated, Al-Qaeda assisted in the fight against us.
However, your statement is not quite true. The invasion was never directed at the general Iraq population.
Iraq achieve progress when the same guys who were fighting us (tribal leaders & Baathists) switched sides and began working with us. Their version of "moderates" changed the game, and in turn fought against the die-hard extremists.
Who did that? George Bush
Who criticized Bush for that move? You and the rest of the left.
Thank you for proving me right.
Vega's "outreach spin to protect Obama" to continue in 5...4...3...2...
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:00:41
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 11:47:42
Leave it to Vega to outdo himself in the "foot in one's own mouth" department.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:01:56
2009-07-10 12:01:56
He does this so much I am surprised he doesn’t have athletes tong. But he does have it so far in there it might be on his uvula.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 12:04:57
Posted by NORSEMAN
2009-07-10 12:06:29
Increased terrorist agitation is proof that outreach works? Increased hostility is proof that outreach works?
Really D-Vega?
Exactly how many times do we have to explain to you that this is a War on TERROR not a War on Al Qaeda before you get it?
Yeah, right. I'm sure all the US troops all over Iraq killing terrorists had nothing to do with it at all.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 12:07:17
They're not Muslims? Bet that's news to them.
Posted by CavalierX
2009-07-10 12:09:08
Here's an excerpt from the column once again:
Once again, you blame us (the messenger) but INTENTIONALLY ignore the source of the statement (Al-Qaeda members).
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:11:36
Hey, that could be the sequel to "Dances With Wolves." ;-)
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:14:58
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 12:21:35
Unfortunately, for the rest of Obama term(s) to Mr. Obama-rectal-inhaler.
Even if this was a war directed against Al-Qaeda alone, the point of this thread is that Al-Qaeda members are rejecting Obama's outreach. Contrary to Vega's unicorn/rainbow/moonbeam view of the world, Obama's outreach ISN'T working. Obama took one of the most passive courses and Al-Qaeda has rejected that offer.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:22:05
Tell that to the Iranian citizens who are dying on the streets at the hands of the mullahs.
So much for outreach, huh?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:24:43
THAT works until you see the PIC ITSELF! SO LOL!
HE was NEVER intending to put his foot down where HE was looking! SO LOL!
Well, Michelle Antoinette was sporting a $6,000 Alligator clutch purse in the Moscow woods a few days ago - wonder what THIS INDISCRETION that garnered WORLD WIDE ATTENTION will cost him!
Posted by Rose
2009-07-10 12:24:57
Negotiation has not once in history created a lasting peace with Islamic states or groups.
Here's a list of things that have:
Cavalry charge (Battle of Vienna)
Amphibious invasion (Marines vs. Barbary Pirates)
Anti-tank missiles (Yom Kippur War in Sinai)
2000 lb. bomb through your front door (Libya)
Chemical weapons (Iran-Iraq War)
Sustained bombing campaign (Gulf War)
Vertical envelopment doctrine (Afghanistan)
Posted by Mike_M
2009-07-10 12:25:16
Posted by ninerdog
No no no. Al-Qaeda didn't attack us, Bush blew up the WTC to help his war buddies. Rosie O'Donnell is on the case right now (in between her numerous meal breaks). [/moonbat]
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 12:31:51
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:03:42
"There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men." -Lord Acton (letter to Mary Gladstone).
Lord Acton was wrong about one thing - these monstrous ides do NOT have any supporters among the ABLEST of men! Just the biggest DONKEYS' REAR ENDS!
HEY, D-Vega, he could get "a positive effect" by pulling the pin on a phosporous hand grenade and dropping it inside his own pants, too!
Posted by Rose
2009-07-10 12:33:01
Posted by Rose
2009-07-10 12:34:40
2009-07-10 12:31:51
Right right right fire can’t melt steel. Forgot that. Just too bad for that windbag that a fuel truck no more than a week after she said that crashed in LA and did just that to a bridge girder on the nightly news.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 12:38:50
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 11:31:30
The tape from Al Qaeda differs with you. And they are telling their little dhimmi to bow down DEEPER and LOWER!
Posted by Rose
2009-07-10 12:41:06
They know.
Posted by WVHillbilly
2009-07-10 13:11:26
There is not a single mainstream Islamic philosophy that does not interpret 'jihad' as open hostility to the unbelievers.
Obama's apology is a (pathetically, disastrously failed) attempt at appeasing Islamic terrorism and totalitarianism. America, and all of those who love freedom, have nothing to apologize to that small minority of Muslims that oppose terrorism - despite not knowing or not being willing to admit that it stems from the most basic, clear and mainstream interpretations of Islam, not from perversions of it.
(Of course, a slightly more reasonable assessment would be that the majority of Islam is not openly hostile to the West because it doesn't need to. There are enough that to that job for them. Sort of how not every American has to be a soldier nor support them for the frontier to have some semblance of protection.)
PS: when they say "get off our lands", they don't mean the Middle East; since Islam splits the world in Islamic conquered territories and lands where war must be made to the infidel, they mean the usual three choices given to all infidels: converted, enslaved, dead. They want us off the planet.
Posted by smelvertising
2009-07-10 13:22:09
Posted by smelvertising
2009-07-10 13:22:09
Yes they do so we have two options. Bend over and grab your ankles (liberal way) or fight these murderous bastards (Bush doctrine). It is obvious that Obama has already bent over and grabbed his ankles and all his little munchkins are right there with him including the likes of Vega and the rest of the bendover crowd on this blog.
Posted by NORSEMAN
2009-07-10 14:07:29
2009-07-10 14:07:29
HEEHEEHE D-Bendover...
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 15:10:02
What exactly has Obama appeased them with? Nothing.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 15:22:02
Nice attempt to change the subject but that's not what this is about.
What exactly has Obama appeased them with? Nothing.
Except that Obama has offered them an apology and Al-Qaeda is rejecting that apology. Go to the top and read it again.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 15:26:23
I'm not changing the subject. Norseman said that either we bend over or do it Bush's way and fight them.
Has Obama stopped fighting them? Has he even promised to stop fighting them? Nope.
Obama did not apologize to AQ. In fact, he has stepped up attacks on AQ in Pakistan, while at the same time reaching out to the vast majority of muslims who do not want fight us.
You can keep twisting it, but it doesn't change the facts. Obama has not appeased AQ in any way, and in fact he has continued or even increased fighting AQ.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 15:35:18
Of course the right-wing blogs and Fox News are treating it like college fratboys. Such a shame.
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-10 15:46:23
2009-07-10 15:35:18
You are absolutely right. Except for apologizing to them he has continued “Bushes war”. You remember the war a year ago you were totally against and now that you have a lib in the oval office it is now the right thing to do. Do you know how many US troops died last week? NO you don’t because the press does not report it every day since BO was elected. Hell you don’t hear anything negative about the war at all anymore. Gee I wonder why. That same war that Harry Reid you remember him said was lost 2 years ago. A statement you agreed with. Pull your head out of BO ass and think for once. Oh and I am sure you don’t find any of this hypocritical.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 15:56:50
Oh, please. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon in the middle of summer; do we really need to go to that guilt and shame place?
Posted by martinhale
2009-07-10 16:03:04
You mean, just like George Bush? As ninerdog mentioned, you're a hypocrite. Enjoy the sour taste of defeat once again, Vega.
Obama did not apologize to AQ. In fact, he has stepped up attacks on AQ in Pakistan, while at the same time reaching out to the vast majority of muslims who do not want fight us.
You have intentionally failed to explain why AQ is rejecting an apology that you state was not offered to them. But, being the cowardly pussy and BO asskisser you are, I'm not surprised.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 16:04:11
2009-07-10 15:46:23
You can’t even admit when he looks at a girl. OMFG your neck hurt from sucking on his ground eye all day. Chick has back nothing wrong with being human… OHHHHHH right right right He can’t be human because he is your god. Sorry forgot.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 16:06:28
-- Barack Hussein Obama, July 7, 2009
www.time.com/time/quotes/0,26174,1908976,00.html?xid=rss-quotes
Except when Obama authorizes it, right Vega?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 16:07:48
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 16:12:12
Posted by martinhale
2009-07-10 16:13:30
Sure, Vega. Of course he was. Now run along and go play with your invisible friends. (rolls eyes)
NOTE TO NINER: The following image describes Vega perfectly, especially the tail: www.cartoon-factory.com/cartoo...rewball%20Daffy.html
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 16:14:55
2009-07-10 16:14:55
Thanks I need a laugh right now.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 16:17:40
When President Bush increased attacks on Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, he was wrong. He was creating more terrorists. He was just exacerbating hostile feelings against America.
President Obama does the exact same thing and this is, quote, "good for Obama".
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 16:22:56
BAHAHAHAHA! Not even Obama himself offered that lame excuse for checking out that girl. Damn, Vega, you really do have your whole head stuffed up his ass, don't you?
...or are you telling us Obama's gay and would never look at a young girl's ass?
Posted by CavalierX
2009-07-10 16:31:39
2009-07-10 16:22:56
The problem D has is none of this is his party and him being hypocrites. There is nothing wrong with it. He speaks of shame and has none. Typical liberal tool. Head planted firmly up his ass. Can’t see the global warming through the snow and ice.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 16:34:07
Oh. Is that why he went to Cairo, Egypt - one of the many states that have minimal legal rights for women, that kill gays, that are arming terrorist, that helped create and finance the monstrous death cult of Palestine, etc. etc. etc.
Yes. He went and apologized to this always-touted, never-seen "majority" of muslims who don't want to fight us by going straight into the lion's den of American hatred, and talking to the "moderate" islamic leaders which are distinct from "extremist" moderate islamists in that they deign to smile at our faces, and only plot our death when they think we aren't looking (rather than doing it in broad daylight, as it were).
Your argument has the consistency of tissue in the ocean.
But then, we're avoiding the elephant in the room. Why did Obama need to apologize to the muslims that don't want us dead, when we want to stop the "misinterpreters" (as if, read above, terrorism is mainstream) of Islam?
Posted by smelvertising
2009-07-10 16:44:42
"Looking at the steps". Right. That must be why Obama's looking back instead of looking where he's going. I walk down stairs looking backwards all the time. It really helps me keep my footing.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 16:55:12
2009-07-10 15:46:23
"Also, anyone who bothers to see the video of Obama walking down the steps will clearly see he was looking at the steps, not some girls behind, especially since Michele was right behind him."
Rigggghhhhttt.. Hey D-Vega take a look at this:
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/...oto-leader-g8/4.html
Now go to www.websters.com and look up the word "pattern" and apply that definition to Obama's recent behavior..
LMAO you are such an Obama Tool (pun intended)..
Posted by Living_Right_in_CA
2009-07-10 16:56:37
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:00:00
The apology tour was aimed at Muslims. Al Qaeda is a Muslim terrorist group. Therefore, the apology tour was aimed at Al Qaeda.
Deal with it.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 10:43:02
Same kind as this...
The apology was aimed at Christians. The KKK is a Christian terrorist group. Therefore, the apology was aimed at the KKK.
Deal with it...
And watch the back tracking.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:02:03
The text at the top of this page is very clear. You're free to ignore the facts in this case but your reputation as an idiot will remain. The voice in the audio tape specifically said "Muslims," not Al-Qaeda.
Too bad you choose to ignore reality.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 17:05:07
Actually, that's not true. Again, refer to the text at the top of this page. It's painfully clear.
Epic fail.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 17:07:39
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:02:03
WHAahaahaahaahaa BO apologizes to CHRISTANS!!!! Man you need to set down the pipe for a day. WHUEEE
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:07:44
2009-07-10 17:07:44
I think you missed the point...mightysamurai was talking about logic.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:09:47
2009-07-10 17:02:03
Once again, someone needs a remedial course in the English language.
Emphasis mine:
Do you need a lesson in pronouns now?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 17:11:22
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 17:07:39
What? the logic or that KKK are not Christian?
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:13:16
Evidently you need a refresher course in Christianity if you think the KKK is the least bit Christian.
Yes, I was. Sadly you failed to grasp it.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 17:15:39
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 17:11:22
He claims to speak for Muslims. You choose to accept that he does.
No English lesson necessary. I also choose not to think the KKK speaks for Christians.
It's the logic that is in question.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:17:14
2009-07-10 17:09:47
I think YOU missed the point. But then you are a liberal and there is no difference between terrorists and christens. I also was under the impression that the KKK was and is represented buy the Democrat party.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:19:03
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 17:15:39
And the backtracking begins....perhaps you need a refresher course in Islam if you think Al Qaeda is the least bit Muslim.
Yes, I was. Sadly you failed to grasp it.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 17:15:39
Wrong. I grasped it.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:20:00
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:19:03
One cannot be a liberal and a Christian?
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:22:33
If the KKK was committing terrorist acts in the name of Christianity and as a specific call to Christ, you may have a point. But they aren't.
Posted by jimg
2009-07-10 17:30:27
2009-07-10 17:22:33
Did not say that. Ya might want to read what I wrote. And you forget that Dems created the KKK members of the KKK are active liberal democrats. After all your Supreme Court justice just admitted to hatching a scheme to limit “those kinds of people”. But a liberal as a christen is a bit of a stretch. Ya haft to have a conscience and a sense of hypocrisy to be a christen and we know you have neither.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:31:10
If you had grasped it you would have chosen a less piss-poor analogy than the KKK. You should probably try researching a little bit about Christianity before claiming the KKK is a Christian organization.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 17:40:22
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:31:10
Not out loud. But what else to make of these statements...
"But then you are a liberal and there is no difference between terrorists and christens."
As a liberal you posit that I think all Christians are terrorists. And yet I know there are plenty of liberal Christians who are not terrorists. Your statement is false.
"But a liberal as a christen is a bit of a stretch. Ya haft to have a conscience and a sense of hypocrisy to be a christen"...
Again, a false statement. Many liberal Christians have consciences and are not hypocrits. They act on their beliefs.
And whether or not I am a Christian is irrelevant.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:43:59
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-07-10 17:45:09
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 17:40:22
You sound like a Muslim argueing that Al Qaeda is not Muslim....more backtracking.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:45:55
Then they are not liberals are they.
"As a liberal you posit that I think all Christians are terrorists. And yet I know there are plenty of liberal Christians who are not terrorists. Your statement is false."
"The apology was aimed at Christians. The KKK is a Christian terrorist group. Therefore, the apology was aimed at the KKK."
However you make the distinction with ease. I also never ask you about your religion. But enough of that the point of my post was that the KKK is a liberal organization and it has members in the senate and a Supreme Court justice on your side of the isle used her position to murder millions of unborn children because she did not want an overpopulation of those kind of people. Any thoughts on that?
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:52:32
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:55:42
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-07-10 17:45:09
I don't recall the quality of liberals on this site as ever being decent. You have to be an idiot to be a liberal in the first place. How else could you explain supporting an ideology that has proven to be wrong again and again and yet there they are, supporting it blindly.
Posted by NORSEMAN
2009-07-10 17:56:59
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:45:55
THe KKK is populated with Democrats. See Sheets Byrd. TO claim otherwise is a lie.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-07-10 18:03:10
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 17:52:32
You are engaging in tautological definitions now. They are who you say they are. A is A because you say so.
"However you make the distinction with ease. I also never ask you about your religion."
What distinction? You've lost me now. I was pointing out the flaw in mightysamurai's logic. That is all. I provided a similarly flawed analogy. I still think you missed my point.
"the point of my post was that the KKK is a liberal organization and it has members in the senate and a Supreme Court justice on your side of the isle used her position to murder millions of unborn children because she did not want an overpopulation of those kind of people. Any thoughts on that?"
Lots...but apparently it isn't me who needs to put down the pipe. What does this have to do with the topic? I posited a false analogy....it isn't as if I'm argueing that the KKK is a Christian organization.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 18:07:34
And you sound like a guy who is profoundly ignorant of what he is talking about.
Seriously, RESEARCH Christianity and Islam some time.
Just because you have a conscience doesn't make you a Christian. A conscience is just an inner voice that guides your behavior toward what you view as right and away from what you view as wrong.
And repeating this won't make it true.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 18:21:58
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-07-10 18:03:10
Even your own logic dictates that an Obama appology to Muslims is not an appology to Al Quaeda. Even if, and notice the if, you are right and that the KKK is populated by Dems, then any appology to Christians would still be an appology to the Rep. Christians. It isn't an appology to the KKK.
The logic that any appology to Muslims is an appology to Al Quaeda is flawed.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 18:24:42
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 18:21:58
No it won't. But you have yet to refute it. And just saying it is wrong won't make it so.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 18:26:43
2009-07-10 18:07:34
You are the one who brought the KKK into this. I was pointing out that they are in fact a liberal democrat organization you made the comparison between them and christens and terrorists. You are an idiot rambling along about nothing you know and I am pointing out you are a liberal tool who can not think. You skipped that the holy grail of liberalism is in fact a thought out plot to get rid of what you and your ilk seem to believe are worthless people. I wonder how you will spin that. What she was misquoted.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 18:46:21
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-10 18:46:21
What's to spin? There's no point. You refuse to acknowledge the point and turn to ad hominems and conspiracy.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 18:54:01
Oh, you mean you want me to publicly embarrass you again? Okay, if you insist.
Rmiller, I dub thee Sir Ignoramus Unintelligentus.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 19:03:42
Rmiller, I dub thee Sir Ignoramus Unintelligentus.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 19:03:42
Do try to stay on topic. I did not ask you to quote the Bible.
Here's what you wrote...
"The apology tour was aimed at Muslims. Al Qaeda is a Muslim terrorist group. Therefore, the apology tour was aimed at Al Qaeda."
Here's what I wrote...
"The apology was aimed at Christians. The KKK is a Christian terrorist group. Therefore, the apology was aimed at the KKK."
Same logic...same flaw.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 19:17:04
I am on topic, child. The Bible is quite clear on the status of people who perform evil acts in the name of God. They are NOT Christians.
Thus did your argument fall apart.
Yes, I read what you wrote the first time. It was wrong and illogical then and it's wrong and illogical now.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-10 19:39:24
rmiller
never claimed it did. However, as Al Quaeda is 100% Muslim in membership, well, you do the math.
Besides, Islam is a pagan death cult whose practitioners will all end up in Hell. An Inconvenient Truth.
Posted by Dick_Nixon
2009-07-10 21:26:37
It doesn't matter if Muslims accept or reject Al-Qaeda. It doesn't matter if Al-Qaeda is really comprised only of Muslims. The point made here (which is too intelligent for you to understand) is that Al-Qaeda is using the EXCUSE of Obama's apology to continue their violence.
Unfortunately, idiots like you will think that the more we apologize, the more likely evil people will want to be friends with us. We warned you, and warned you, and warned you that this would not happen.
- Obama can apologize 100 more times and Al-Qaeda will still find excuses to attack us.
- Obama can give Al-Qaeda money to stop and Al-Qaeda will demand more money.
- Obama can meet with bin Laden, bow down and kiss his feet. Bin Laden will only demand more and still claim we're evil.
- You lefties claimed that the world would love us if Obama won the presidency but the evidence is proving otherwise.
- You were fools to think that the stimulus would work.
- You were fools to think that Obama would end Iraq.
- You were fools to think that the world would love us if Obama reached out to them.
Need I say more?
You can try to use the KKK as an argument but you end up looking stupid.
Al-Qaeda will always find an excuse to attack us like the article in this thread. Apologies mean nothing if your opponent has no intention of forgiveness and reconciliation.
Unfortunately, that **EXTREMELY** simply concept soared over your head.
You sound like a Muslim argueing that Al Qaeda is not Muslim....more backtracking.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 17:45:55
Obviously, you need to look up the definition of "backtracking."
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 21:36:47
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-10 18:54:01
Then answer these very simple questions:
1) Is Al-Qaeda a Muslim organization, yes or no?
2) If Obama didn't apologize to Al-Qaeda then why was the apology needed? Why do we need to apologize to peaceful Muslims? What did we do to them to warrant an apology?
3) Name the Muslim organizations that openly oppose Al-Qaeda based upon the Koran.
These are very simple questions. Do you have the guts to answer, rmiller?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 21:40:40
Actually, rmiller, your argument is seriously flawed.
If the argument were hypothetically true, would Obama apologize to Christians/KKK or would Obama use law enforcement to round up those who have committed the violence and put them on trial?
How many times has Obama apologized to pro-life groups? For your flawed argument to work Obama should apologize to every pro-life group with the hope that the extreme fringe would stop killing abortion doctors. What you're saying is that if Obama apologized earlier, Tillman would never have murdered and his killer awaiting his trial in a jail cell.
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 21:45:39
"Christians do it too!" + "Hitler was a right-winger, and so are today's conservatives, so they are like Hitler!"
Plus, "it was all an intentionally flawed metaphor" so we can't call you on the slippage of your mask.
To address your "logic", such as it is: if Al Qa'ida did not represent mainstream Islamic ideology and theology, there would be no need to apologize to a mass of muslims who - only for sake of argument - do not want us all killed, enslaved or converted.
Elephant in the room, again: if you want to insist arguing that Obama's apology was not directed at terrorist groups, which represent mainstream islamic theology, then why did Obama apologize to muslims in the first place?
Posted by smelvertising
2009-07-11 08:33:46
'Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of"
Projection? We know it is. Hitler was a leftists. He believed in extermination of the Jews. Liberals believe in extermination of the African American. The right from Lincoln on down believe in freedom for all. We are not the architects of the KKK. The left has the hate market all to themselves. If you follow your ideology to conclusion it leads to one conclusion and one only. Hitler was just not as self-loathing as liberals are. He was more direct.
Posted by ninerdog
2009-07-11 11:21:26
Wrong false premise about the KKK, The are a terrorist group, yes. But, they do NOT use the Bible to justify their actions, they do not claim to be representives of god, and they do not have the support of any part of the church. Thus they are not a Christian group. Some are worshipping Christians, they do not represent any part of the religion.
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-11 12:01:36
Posted by bthewolf
2009-07-11 12:01:36
Have to admit....it was your response that got me to thinking.
I never argued that the KKK represents Christians. I think you know that. I used it as a false premise.
"Thus they are not a Christian group. Some are worshipping Christians, they do not represent any part of the religion."
I think it also is true that there are many Muslims who would make the same arguement.
I do think that the way Mr. Obama phrased his speech in Cairo was subtle. I think it created some political space for Muslims to express their disagreement with those extremists with whom they disagree, and that we would support them.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Nor did I ever hear Pres. Obama appologize to Muslims. I was just using the terms presented.
I don't think it does our foreign policy any good to equate the Muslim religion with Al Quaeda. It gives away the game before it is played.
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-11 19:29:03
Rose is probably right, it probably going to cost him big time when he and Michelle get home. :p
Posted by gfchicago
2009-07-11 19:49:33
One of those "two pretty women" happens to be sixteen years old.
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-11 21:42:28
Posted by mightysamurai
2009-07-11 21:42:28
Point taken.
Posted by gfchicago
2009-07-12 06:31:48
There are over 1 billion muslims in the world.
AQ may think they speak for all muslims, but they do not. That's what you guys are missing.
You would have to find where exactly I said increased attacks on AQ were bad because they created more terrorists.
What you would find is that I've always said we should have stepped up attacks in Pak/Afghan. That we should violate Pak territory if we had to. That drone strikes were good. All that when Bush was still President.
What I disagreed with is pre-emptively invading and rebuilding a middle-eastern country that had nothing to do with 9/11 (Iraq).
Posted by D-Vega
2009-07-13 09:59:18
Posted by TRUE_PATRIOT
2009-07-13 20:54:02
2) If Obama didn't apologize to Al-Qaeda then why was the apology needed? Why do we need to apologize to peaceful Muslims? What did we do to them to warrant an apology?
3) Name the Muslim organizations that openly oppose Al-Qaeda based upon the Koran.
These are very simple questions. Do you have the guts to answer, rmiller?
Posted by Kingfisher
2009-07-10 21:40:40
One doesn't need guts to answer these questions.
1) Yes
2) Those are 3 Qustions...
a..an appology wasn't needed, nor was one given. If we are talking about the Cairo speach, when I listened to it, I heard no appology. I could be wrong, and am willing to hear my mistake.
b...we don't. I didn't hear that...still, same as above.
c...again, the same.
However, I think that we do have some fencemending to engage in. Our history in the middle east is less than stellar. And I am not talking about Israel. The US has been less than encouraging democratic movements in the mid east.
And I know that opens up the whole Iran question now. And how we should be more robust in our encouragement. And I have been argueing caution.
Admittedly, I can see where that would be seen as contradictory....and I have no answer, at least in blog legnth.
3. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, Indonesia
Posted by rmiller
2009-07-14 00:24:12