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Dumb Dems’ Job Ideas: Who’s Crazier?

Written By : Alexa Shrugged

Via Ace of Spades and UK Guardian – Alvin Greene, the crazy jobless guy running for Senate in South Carolina has ideas on how to create jobs:

“Another thing we can do for jobs is make toys of me, especially for the holidays. Little dolls. Me. Like maybe little action dolls. Me in an army uniform, air force uniform, and me in my suit. They can make toys of me and my vehicle, especially for the holidays and Christmas for the kids. That’s something that would create jobs. So you see I think out of the box like that. It’s not something a typical person would bring up. That’s something that could happen, that makes sense. It’s not a joke.”

Now, before you laugh (and I’m assuming the reporter was laughing and that’s why Greene said, “It’s not a joke.”) is that any crazier than current Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi saying that sending checks to the unemployed is one of the fastest ways to create jobs?

No wonder our economy is so bad under complete Democrat control!

Crossposted at AlexaShrugged.com

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http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

It's true conservatives aren't too good at economics.

The reason giving unemployment checks can create jobs is because unemployed people need to spend the money they get. Money flowing through the economy is what inspires people to start businesses and create jobs. This is a simple concept that even conservatives can understand. One of the problems we are having today is that the economy needs people buying stuff. This is your capitalist system, btw, which suffers under the delusion of perpetual growth and increased profits. my capitalist system is a social-capitalist system, where consumption is one factor, and not the ultimate measure, of economic success.

StanW

Listen carefully, idiot. The economy needs people to spend money they get BY EARNING IT, not by having it stolen from people that earn it and giving it to people that don't. This is a simple concept that Liberals are too ignorant or arrogant to understand.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Strain, people aren't working, so there's no money to be made in the way we all prefer. We are in a viscous cycle that can only be corrected by the government. Capitalism is failing in this regard. You prefer to see things continue to spiral downward so you can blame the president, because you don't understand economics.

And Stain, I live in San Francisco, make a good paycheck, and pay my taxes. I work from home as a UNIX system manager. College educated, from a family of conservatives, the only kid of 4 who went to a four year college and got a BA, otherwise my father earned an AA in the 1950s to become a Marine pilot.

StanW

Blah, blah, blah, Jack. No one cares about your phoney resume or all your Walter Mitty fantasies.

And stop lecturing people on matters where tyou are clearly ignorant. You spur the economy by creating job, not by continuing to give people handouts. And if people aren't working, where are you getting the money to pay them?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Dude, your party and economic philosophy got us into this financial mess.

It's kind of fulfilling that you'd consider my lifestyle as a fantasy. It's not. I've been lucky in life. Can you say the same thing? Or are you a self-loathing conservative who blames everyone else for you ineptitude?
StanW

My party? My Economic philosophy? Where has YOUR party been in this crisis, Jack? What have they been doing for the last three-plus years they have had control of the purse-strings? Do they share any of the responsibility?
Mediumheadboy

The Donks aren't his party. The Donks at least are American. Jack (Euro-Trash) Off is more likely a Labour voter, assuming he's actually old enough to vote.
Mr. EMT

They were too busy removing regulations, increasing taxes and adding pork to defense bills and getting GOP to blame it all on Bush.
Most of the GOP are still playing their game by their rules.
http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Bark Bark Moonbat!
TheDickNixon

The Democratic Party took over the purse strings in January 2007. The economy was doing fine until then. Please get your facts straight, stoner.
Mr. EMT

Barney Frank called, said you need to smile like a donut while lying so much.
Gets him all worked up.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Bark Bark Moonbat!
Mediumheadboy

No you don't, you lying sack of shit. You post from your parents' basement and pretend to be an American. Die slowly and in tremendous pain.
http://www.alexashrugged.com/ AlexaShrugged

“We are in a viscous cycle that can only be corrected by the government. Capitalism is failing in this regard.” – Pete Moss

Can only be corrected by the government? Well, then why hasn't Obama saved us by now?! Government is failing in this regard. …Maybe because it couldn't do anything in the first place and Obama's policies are HURTING the economy.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Because your party prevented the stimulus from being big enough to achieve the ultimate goal of fixing the economy.

From Paul Krugman:

A quick note on David Brooks’s column today. I have no idea what he’s talking about when he says,

The Demand Siders don’t have a good explanation for the past two years

Funny, I thought we had a perfectly good explanation: severe downturn in demand from the financial crisis, and a stimulus which we warned from the beginning wasn’t nearly big enough. And as I’ve been trying to point out, events have strongly confirmed a demand-side view of the world.

But there’s something else in David’s column, which I see a lot: the argument that because a lot of important people believe something, it must make sense:

Moreover, the Demand Siders write as if everybody who disagrees with them is immoral or a moron. But, in fact, many prize-festooned economists do not support another stimulus. Most European leaders and central bankers think it’s time to begin reducing debt, not increasing it — as do many economists at the international economic institutions. Are you sure your theorists are right and theirs are wrong?

Yes, I am. It’s called looking at the evidence. I’ve looked hard at the arguments the Pain Caucus is making, the evidence that supposedly supports their case — and there’s no there there.

And you just have to wonder how it’s possible to have lived through the last ten years and still imagine that because a lot of Serious People believe something, you should believe it too. Iraq? Housing bubble? Inflation? (It’s worth remembering that Trichet actually raised rates in June 2008, because he believed that inflation — not the financial crisis — was the big threat facing Europe.)

The moral I’ve taken from recent years isn’t Be Humble — it’s Question Authority. And you should too.
mightysamurai

Because your party prevented the stimulus from being big enough to achieve the ultimate goal of fixing the economy.

Ah, I see. The Spendulus failed because there wasn't enough pork in it.

If we had put the country quadrillions of dollars in debt instead of just trillions, that totally would have worked.
Mr. EMT

I am still missing how anyone prevented it from being bigger since it started off a paltry 780 billion before it started growing.
Hell if we stopped it from being bigger why didnt we stop it all together for that matter since we had so much control?
Oh wait… i fell in jackshits fantasy.

On earth, that crap doesnt fly too well huh.
Mr. EMT

Wait… we stepped in and prevented the stimulous from being big enough?
How much bigger did it have to be to make a dent instead of making it sink worse?
Seriously moron we would have been better off with out the bill passing and you can not prove different.
Even your administration could not name one single private sector job that would benefit from stimulus.
The best they could do?
“Well, if there is a business across a river. We will build a bridge to get there. And tax the business to make them pay for it forcing them to fire more employees.”
http://www.alexashrugged.com/ AlexaShrugged

AHAHAHAHAHA, “my party prevented” – wait, wait, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I WISH, dude! Unfortunately you guys had SUPERmajorities to push the terrible economic policies (along with many others) that we are suffering the consequences of right now. Oh, and I love how you cite Paul Krugman of all people!!! That shows how beyond hope it is to reach you with common sense and reasoning.

But FINE I'll address his idiotic claim that it is conservatives who are the ones who say 'a lot of people think it, so it must be true!' Oh, and I won't cite conservative columnists who agree with me to do it – WATCH AND LEARN!

You and Krugman must have forgotten these quotes:

“every economist that I've spoken to, George, from well-known economists on the right, conservative economists, to economists on the left and everyone in between, says the scope of this package has to be bold, it has to be big.” – Joe Biden 12/21/08 http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/Story?id=6499340…

More from politiFact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

“Economists from across the political spectrum agree that if we don't act swiftly and boldly, we could see a much deeper economic downturn that could lead to double-digit unemployment and the American dream slipping further and further out of reach,” Obama said in his weekly address on Jan. 3, 2009.

“Every economist from right to left, Republican, Democrat, advises that (a government stimulus) has to be a very substantial package,” said Democratic Congressman Steny Hoyer of Maryland on Jan. 4.

“There's no disagreement that we need action by our government — a recovery plan that will help to jump-start the economy,” Obama said at news conference on Jan. 9.

“Everybody, I think, from economists on the left to economists on the right realize that we must make critical investments at this time,” said White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel on Jan. 18.

Mr. EMT

Oh lordy capitalism failed us!
Wont someone come in and save us with more government and higher taxes and more waste spending!
gfchicago

“I live in San Francisco, make a good paycheck, and pay my taxes. I work from home as a UNIX system manager. College educated, from a family of conservatives, the only kid of 4 who went to a four year college and got a BA,”

Whooptee do, I guess that explains everything. So I guess we are all supposed to be impressed with your credentials…

You haven't got the since that God gave a horse. Your brand of economics are an epic fail.

Oh and by you don't have to have any fancy degree to be a code slinger, I know from experience. I've been a programmer for the last 25 years and all I have is a high school diploma, and I'm working on my 4th Phd from the college of hard knocks.

So bottom line is that you don't impress me at all. With you living in San Fran, well nuff said.

Mr. EMT

True story.

Mr. EMT

Socialism is working so well in California.
Of course you had to shut down some of your major prisons and release the prisoners early due to the fact you lacked money to protect your citizens from criminals.
You can't pay your state employee's more than minimum wages.
Oh and you are rubbing our face in the fact you have to get federal funding to fix up pot holes in your local road.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Furthermore, Stan, do you feel the people working on wall street “earn” their huge paychecks? Do you think they deserved to be bailed out of their failed investments? The cost of unemployment is minuscule compared to Bush's TARP program, and would benefit the overall economy to a much greater extent.

StanW

I do think most of them earned their paychecks, and I was very vocally against bailing them out. No business is too big to fail. Interesting that you mention Bush's TARP and ignored Obama's non-stimulus… partisan POS that you are!

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

I was hoping you'd mention the stimulus. In San Francisco, the approach to the Golden Gate bridge, Doyle Drive, needs to be rebuilt. It's an example of this nation's crumbling infrastructure. The stimulus is going to pay for 20% of rebuilding this main artery. The is an example of the success of the stimulus.
StanW

That is anecdotal at best. It also shows the failure of the 'stimulus' as well. Where did that money come from, Jack? The government doesn't have any money. It has to get it from somewhere, just like the money for all those unemployment checks. So where did it come from?
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

It could come from the end of Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. Sorry for the typos. In teleconferences while reading this board.
StanW

Bush's taxcuts for for TAXPAYERS, you moron. But being a basement-dwelling sponge, I can see how you would consider anyone that pays taxes as “Wealthy”!

Oh, and BTW, I thought Obama wasn't going to raise taxes on anyone making less that $250,000 per year. Another lie from the Teleprompter-in-Chief!
Mr. EMT

He didnt know it went to actual tax payers due to the fact he is a dependant.
Ask him a better question like:

“Hey moron, remember when your momma got an extra five hundred on her income taxes because she is supporting your lazy ass? That was Bush. You're welcome”
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

He didn't. Get in touch with me Stan and I'll show you my tax return. Bet I pay more in taxes than you do.
StanW

Jack, take your infantile penic-measuring contest elsewhere. Do you really think anyone here believes your bluster and boasts?
TheDickNixon

You mean the tax cuts that led to record tax revenue?
Mr. EMT

Teleconference? Is that what gamers call it when they play call of duty these days?
Vegeta1

no. he's asking someone at the drive thru if they want fries with that.
Mr. EMT

Over a trillion to pay for something that the state should already have funds for doing themselves?”
Oh wait, cali actually using tax money road repair and “infrastructure”
I made a joke?

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Bark Bark, Moonbat!
TheDickNixon

The Democratic Party, who took the purse strings in January 2007, own the TARP program. An Inconvenient Truth
Mr. EMT

I missed the part where Bush passed the TARP program.
I did however see where he recognised the problem looming on the horizon that the democrats created and called McCain and Obamao to conference about it.

tblrk2006

Haha…..in the real world a good or a service is traded for money. Welfare is missing one of those. There is no real economic activity going on.
tblrk2006

My capitalist system is a social-capitalist system, where consumption is one factor, and not the ultimate measure, of economic success.

Ah yes, another socialist parroting the virtues of his system….totaly ignorant at the fact that it has never worked in the real world. Not you, stalin, or even obama will make it work. It goes against human nature.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Blah blah blah. Another ignorant American. Do a little travel and see the world, and you'll start to understand my perspective.

StanW

The only way we could possibly understand your 'perspective' you be to live in our parent's basement, spongeing off of their goodwill, all the while having our head's firmly shoved up our own asses. Just Like YOU!

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Keep dreaming, Stan. I'll bet you $100 I am more successful than you (meaning I have more net wealth). Send me an email and we'll figure something out.
StanW

Why woudl I want to communicate with a proven liar and partisan hack like you. Keep your fantasy life to yourself, Jack.
TheDickNixon

Send Nixon you tax returns, complete and uncensored, to Dick.Nixon.Lives@Gmail.Com

Nixon will judge your comments.
Trench_Raider

I have a better idea. Email ME, not Stan. Let's compare notes.
I can be contacted at trench_raider@yahoo.com

We have much to talk about, son.

TR
Mr. EMT

I have zero debt.
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

passion_follower@yahoo.com
Mr. EMT

You expect me to email that address?
My wife would take a look at it and think I'm flirting with the home team.
Why don't you make an email address a professional would use instead of something like passion fruit flower or whatever fairy name you day dream from your parent's basement.

baoxian

Yeah, you know. Greece, Spain, France…all the places of the world where socialism is collapsing into austerity and rioting. Or just travel to Cuba, North Korea, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. and see the end result: poverty stricken dictatorship.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

I prefer Australia, Holland, France…. ever been?
TheDickNixon

Nope, and neither have you.

Mediumheadboy

Go away, Jack Off, you fucking Euro-trash fake-American cockholster, and take your fucking sockpuppets with you.
Mr. EMT

A good portion of the posters here have military experience and no doubt have traveled farther than you have in your momma's basement touring the world on the internet your momma pays for.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

Traveling in the military is like dancing about architecture. Very little is gained. Go to West Africa, as I did, and study music, as I did on a fellowship. Go Paris and live there, as I did. Go to England and see Bob Dylan, as I did. This year I will likely go to India for work, and will try to fit in Cambodia after that. It's supposed to be a real hoot.
mightysamurai

The frothing hatred you obviously harbor for the military is quite amusing. You must have quite a chip on your shoulder. I guess it's an inferiority complex from knowing that these people are all better men than you.

http://www.patriotpost.com bthewolf

Bark Bark Moonbat!
belacuse

BRILLIANT! You sir, are an economic genius! If only the government would give us ALL money to spend and let “flow through the economy” then our economy would be the greatest in the world! BRILLIANT! Why has noone ever come up with this concept before? Just give all that free government money away, so people can spend it! BRILLIANT!

But wait, where does that government money come from? Never mind, I am sure that is irrelevant – I know this because the new great economic thinker of our time, Pete Moss, aka, JackShit, is utterly BRILLIANT!
http://conservativebootcamp.com Martin Hale

Mr. Moss, here's where your simplistic example fails – you presume that people who're receiving unemployment benefits are able to maintain the same level of expenditures which they enjoyed while they were working. But since unemployment benefits represent a decrease in income for most people as compared to what they had while employed, when on unemployment they have to scale back their spending to just essentials in order to survive and make the money last for as long as is possible. So gone are the discretionary purchases. Any other people's jobs which were dependent on those discretionary purchases will be threatened as well. And all those employers who provide goods and services which are largely discretionary aren't adding jobs. For those employers who are focused on predominantly essential goods and services aren't hiring new workers either, because their business volume remains static – there are still the same number of people buying their essential goods and services as there were before.

So the best that we can say about unemployment benefits is that they keep the layoffs of some people from causing the rest of the economy to crash, at least for a while. But in no way could they be said to create new jobs. And that's what you said – you said unemployment benefits create jobs. Unemployment benefits don't create jobs for the very simple reason that unemployment benefits don't keep the same amount of money at play in the economy as full employment does.

I think I understand now why you hate capitalism so much (well apart from your dogmatic ideology, that is) – you don't understand how it works very well.
http://www.alexashrugged.com/ AlexaShrugged

Ok, so by this logic, Al Greene is a GENIUS! By making toys of himself, people are put back to work in the factories, and stores make money by people buying his toys with their unemployment checks – WOW!
Alvin Greene for President, Pete Moss VP!
Mr. EMT

On the other hand, taking away the unemployment program and letting tax payers and business have that money to retain and recruit and increase employment would be totally a bad and worthless idea for commies.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/C3IKAXMRVZNEU5BZKUD7LK6WBA Pete Moss

They will just hoard the money and wait for better economic times that will never come. Someone has to lubricate the wheels of our economy, and the economic system you tout isn't doing it.

mightysamurai

Hoard their money where, Petey?

In banks? Well if they put their money there it'll accrue interest, thus making money for the bank and for the account holder, thus lubricating the wheels of the economy.

Invest it? Well then they're enriching the company they invest in, thus lubricating the wheels of the economy.

Where exactly are they going to “hoard” their money in a place where it won't affect the economy in the slightest?
Mr. EMT

In california?
Thats funny.
Btw, what is the going rate of unix programmers over there these days?
You guys are about a dime a dozen.

baoxian

Keynesian economics was proven to be a failure during FDR's term, when his various attempts at “stimulus” produced nothing but debt and inflation, prolonging the Depression.

Obama, utterly ignorant of history and economics, followed the same recipe because the one thing Keynesian economic is good for is buying political power.

Stimulus spending never has and never will work because it creates no wealth. Bringing in huge influxes of money without any tangible value behind it didn't work for the Spanish Empire any more than it is for Obama now. For Spain, a short term boost provided by Inca gold gave way to staggering inflation and economic decline. Obama's printing press and Chinese lenders have produced even even worse return, with the added burden of having to repay the borrowed money with interest later.

One thing and one thing only can fix the economy: productive work by Americans and the creation of wealth by businesses. Of course, Democrats are strongly opposed to both, gleefully subsidizing unemployment while vilifying and taxing profitable companies that create jobs.

No socialist country has ever lasted for more than 75 or so years because eventually a tipping point is reached when no more can be extracted from the producers with their consent. They either crumble like the Soviet Union, or collapse into a slave-labor dictatorship like Cuba or North Korea. China is actually moving toward capitalizing their economy rather than risking turning their 150+ million member middle class against the government.

The American people have seen the results of liberal economics and we're not going to be satisfied with Obama's proclaimed permanent 10% unemployment and weakening dollar. I'm confident the liberals will be turned out of office as vast as the votes can be cast, and conservatives will return us to a culture that values and encourages productive work.
TheDickNixon

Pete Moss never emailed his tax returns to Nixon.

What a vagina Pete is.
gfchicago

Well Greene's idea is just as valid as any ideas Obummer, Piglosi, Reid and the rest of the knuckleheads on capital hill have. Perhaps more so.

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