Whether drama or comedy, it has captured the political ratings that’s for sure.

I’m declaring it as dead as the dinner table under Rahm Emannuel’s steak knife.

The longer and more drawn out these debates get, the smaller the chances of a bill passing. We’ve seen it before with the Amnesty Bill, Hillarycare, Bush’s Social Security Reform.

When this happens with a bill that eventually passes, the logjam is broken by some bipartisan group that sells out their party for quick headlines and kickbacks. Only nobody in the GOP is going to do it with Obamacare.

If the Dems had the votes, it would have happened by now and they wouldn’t be discussing unconstitutional parlimentary tricks as their last options. With the bill under such a microscope, the bribes and quid pro quos ar being splashed all over the headlines, and infighting is breaking out among the various interest groups and states over the spoils.

It will die, likely when the Dems find a patsy who isn’t up for reelection to change his vote from ‘yes’ to ‘no’, providing an opportuinty for the Dems to call it the last straw and blame this scapegoat (Chris Dodd, Arlen Specter, etc) and the Republicans.

Some random thoughts:

1. Please stop calling it Health Care Reform – as someone wrote yesterday, don’t yield on the language – call it what it is – Health Care Takeover.

2. Comprehensive Health Care … – In the words of Inigo Montoya – “I don’t think it means what you think it means” – Anytime you hear that word – “Comprehensive” – substitute “Doomed to Fail”. Heck, anyone who’s ever run any business project knows that small, simple, incremental steps tend to work, while massive overhauls almost always fail.

3. A lot of the fight over this Health Care stuff has to do with a basic misunderstanding. On the right, commentators often mention the role of insurances and risk, etc. But health insurance has morphed. It’s not really true insurance anymore. It’s become “This stuff is too expensive, but I need it, so I want someone else to pay for it”. I think this difference in concept needs to be addressed. Many people who would normally support a free-market approach, ie, pay for your checkup like you would for a vet visit, are too afraid of that route because the current prices are too high. So how do we get there?

It’s idiotic and ignorant to call it a take over. You’re just trying to frighten your uneducated base.

I pay plenty for my health insurance. We as a society pay more for inferior results compared to any other country– health care costs us more to treat fewer people.

You’re already being ripped off if, like me, you have insurance, and your side doesn’t even understand the problem, which is that we collectively pay more for less treatment.

Travel abroad and see for yourself.

Posted by Brain Fail
2010-03-12 10:01:40

It’s idiotic and ignorant to call it a take over. You’re just trying to frighten your uneducated base.

In other words, just like what you try to do every day.

I pay plenty for my health insurance. We as a society pay more for inferior results compared to any other country– health care costs us more to treat fewer people.

Then leave.

You’re already being ripped off if, like me, you have insurance, and your side doesn’t even understand the problem, which is that we collectively pay more for less treatment.

Thank you for proving your stupidity with that post. You obviously have no clue how insurance works.

Travel abroad and see for yourself.

You first. Just don’t come back.

I pay plenty for my health insurance.

No, your parents pay plenty for your insurance.

We as a society pay more for inferior results compared to any other country

ANY other country? Just because you have bet the entire farm on this lie, please keep it your self.

Travel abroad and see for yourself.

Take your favorite country and tell me how much those people pay in taxes for their care. Dont forget to tell me the average wait time and mortality rate for diseses. Thx.

Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-12 10:01:40

Agitprop.

which is that we collectively pay more for less treatment.

Travel abroad and see for yourself.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-12 10:01:40

Here is your problem. We dont pay collectively for our insurance. You cant just add up all the premiums and devide them among the people. That doesnt illustrate anything other than your stupid brain trying to work.

“Travel abroad and see for yourself.”

Yeah, you’ll see all the foreigners coming to the United States for their health care.

ULTIMATE HEALTHCARE LINE

Red Eye TV Show line of the week….
“If Health Care is a right, how can the gov-meant deny you any need or claim”?
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(of course this assumes the socialist myth that its a right and that people are denied care now)
REALITY CHECK…the biggest denier of claims is gov-meant Medicare…not private insurance companies.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

David Brooks calls your type out today:

In a sensible country, people would see Obama as a president trying to define a modern brand of moderate progressivism. In a sensible country, Obama would be able to clearly define this project without fear of offending the people he needs to get legislation passed. But we don’t live in that country. We live in a country in which many people live in information cocoons in which they only talk to members of their own party and read blogs of their own sect. They come away with perceptions fundamentally at odds with reality, fundamentally misunderstanding the man in the Oval Office. ”

I love it when conservatives use the “you like it so much elsewhere then move there” arguements because it shows their narrow mindset and perspective. You may have been told that we have the best system for health care in this country, but a little time spent abroad is illuminating. Everyone gets health care in every other first world country. Everybody. That’s why there aren’t crazy people on the streets in other countries. The US has much room for improvement but it starts with knowledge and compassion, and everyone knows republican compassion is an oxymoron, and republicans keep themselves willfully stupid. Death panels and Sarah Palin for example.

I pay plenty for my health insurance. We as a society pay more for inferior results compared to any other country– health care costs us more to treat fewer people.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-12 10:01:40

You know, everytime I think that you can’t possibly say something dumber than before… you go and completely redeem yourself /Dumb and Dumber quote

You cannot possibly say, “health care costs more to treat fewer people.” You can’t. Why? Because the socialized medicine nations have fewer people. You’re retarded.

Also, those “inferior results” that you refer to must be the fact that we have higher five year survival rates for cancer patients (both men and women) than any European country or Canada (Lancet Oncology, 2007). Oops. Guess there goes a bunch of “wasted” money on extending lives.

That’s why there aren’t crazy people on the streets in other countries.
Posted by Jack Schite
2010-03-12 14:25:34

Um, wow.
No crazy people here!
You really have no idea what you’re talking about. Check it out, half way down the page:

Its survey of 200 homeless people found that 85% had a diagnosed mental health problem or concerns about their mental health; 65% agreed with the statement that they either drank or took drugs “because it is easier than coping with my life”.

Honestly.

ok, here’s the links in order:

1. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257243/Greek-riots-Up-60-000-people-streets-protest-government.html

2. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/jul/07/london-homeless-rise

Jack

What makes you trust David Brooks so much? I don’t care how much David Brooks tries to tell me his tripe I know that you cannot offer something for free and not have long waiting times just like in Canada where alot of them come to america(like that canadian politician recently) or wait and hope they make it to see a doctor before they die.It is common sense that you nor David Brooks seems to have.People will go to the doctor for most anything causing long waits alot longer than in the US now.Plus it is’nt free but is sold like it is.Now you can fall for his tripe if you want to but I have some common sense plus there are much better less expensive ways for healthcare for americans that won’t cause such long waits to get to see a doctor.

The Dims are breathing and have life left in their bodies, though their hearts are cold and hard as stone.

You cannot afford to turn your back for a fraction of a second.

These are folk that love 3A.M. votes with only a handful of participants present.

Patrick Henry: Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. O sir, we
should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!

What makes you trust David Brooks so much?

He doesn’t challenge Off’s idiotic worldview.

From a purely economic point of view, I beleive government run health care in other industrialized nations vs the American Health care system results in a net economic positve for those other nations which have government run health care. That may seem counter intutive, but hear me out.

It is a fact that health care costs in America eat up a much greater proportion of the American economy than do health care costs in industrialized nation economies which have government run health care. Another fact is that there is no real difference in the health of Americans vs the health of citizens in other industrialized nations which have government run health care. A final fact is that the costs of health care in Ameica contribute to American made products going on to the global market at a disadvantage when comapred to products made in industrialized nations with government run health care.

Given the facts above, lets look at the cause. Americans have less incentive to take responsibilty for their own personal health than do citizens of industrailized nations with government run health care. Americans get lazy taking care of their health becuase they believe that the “best health care system in the world” will come to their rescue and bail them out of the consequences of their poor health choices. The citizens of industrialized nations with government run health care have great incentive to take responsiblity for their own health. They will do all they can to avoid not having to be treated by the government run health care system. Hence they take good care of their own health.

Bingo: Adopting a overnment run health care in America vs the present American Health Care System would actually prove to be a net positive for the American economy by making Ameerican made products less expensive and more competitive in the global market.