My entry into the “Everybody Draw Mohammed Day!” is a picture of Mohammad drawn in pig urine, blood, and feces on the ripped out pages of a Koran.

Just my little way of giving the Muslims in this nation the ability to practice the tolerance and sensitivity to other religious faiths that they constantly and loudly demand of the rest of us!

I am just totally confused. Since no one knows what Moe Hamhead even looks like, how do muslims determine which drawing of him IS a drawing of him. I guess it's just a matter of what the definition of Moe Hamhead is.

I could draw a picture of a chicken, call it Moe and 700 Billion muslims world wide would storm through streets of the world like that stupid 'rage boy' burning cars, destroying businesses and anything else in their path. They are just looking for an excuse to intimidate the infidels and so far it's working due to lack of spine from people who could really make their heads explode. (Barrett M82A1… it'll BLOW your mind!)

It reminds me of the Watts riots. Maybe someone should dump some ritalin (sp) in their water supply to calm their childish temper tantrums. Reminds me of libruls when they don't get their way. The screaming, crying, hair pulling and rending of clothes is such a childish tactic.

There have been drawings of Mo and some still exist.

I don't see a problem with expressing yourself, it's no different than offending someone's religion with words.

@:^O

Emoticon Mohammed!

You have my support, John.

Could have done without the “phony religion” comment, though. Kind of stooping to their level a bit, no?

I can't draw, and the laptop with my photo editing software is kaput, so, I just went with the old standby, a Mohammed Tramp Stamp.

What an intolerant and mind-numbingly STUPID thing to say, Tom.

ALL Religions believes that theirs is the one true path to God. But for idiots like you, that is OK for everyone to believe… EXCEPT FOR CHRISTIANS!

***MENTAL IMAGE ALERT***

I haven't posted mine yet. It's a pair of pigs mating with the dominant one having a picture of the face of Mohammed.

Most definitely NSFW unless you're a pig farmer.

Pinko is right. Islam is no more phony than any other religion.

But its the same as having a picture of jesus in a dress. Mr. Hawkins has a right to call it phony, like I am sure Jews and Muslims think his religion is phony.

You can't even make a comment on Christianity without someone on the right cataloging them and then publishing a book about how there's a war on Christianity. Which is truly absurd.

The difference is Christians won't usually resort to violence in response. Criticizing any religion without fear of violent or state reprisals is key for any religion to reform and evolve.

Not really sure how you extrapolated that from my comment, Stan. Really, man, that came not just from left field, but from the upper deck in foul territory to the left of left field.

Not surprised, Tom. Let me see if I can use smaller words.

Islam is a phony and gutter religion, based upon the insane ravings of a terrorist and pedophile. Their prophet is so petty and pathetic that even a drawing of him causes them to go into a blood-rage of killing.

You are more than willing to criticize a Christian for saying that Islam is a false religion, yet you never criticize Islam itself for its abject hatred and intolerance of other religions.

Read my post below, Tom. Drawing a picture of Mohammad in pig's blood on the pages of a Koran is my way of giving them the opportunity to practice the tolerance they demand but never give.

WTF do you think “you have my support, John” means, Stan?

And I'm sorry you haven't been around to hear my previous list of grievances against Islam, but if it pleases you now: any Muslim who is intolerant of another religion can go F himself. And their treatment of women is horrid, too.

I took it the exact way you meant it, Tom:
“I am going to agree with John that he has the right to do what he did. However, I am still going to criticize him for being intolerant and speaking ill of Islam.”

Actually, Islam is a pagan religion. A 7th century death cult, if you will. It's prophet married and consummated said marriage with a 9 year old girl, and the followers of this religion think if they murder someone in the cause of this cult they are instantly taken to heaven.

Thanks for playing. And your thoughts on Christianity are on record already.

What? They are two cuties :D

I wonder how they'd respond to a painting of Uncle Mo soaking in urine.

I call it “piss-Mohammed ” and it is the most brilliant piece of art ever created!

Also I would like $15,000 from the american public to put this together. (urine ain't cheap these days).

The urine is cheap, but the beer to make it isn't!!!

Getting a bit off track, a little?

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As a Christian, I find it extremely annoying when people make fun of my religion. Yet, when the people at the New York Times or Comedy Central show an image that offends my religious sensibilities, I don't cut their heads off as an example to others. I also don't threaten to murder people over cartoons that I find offensive.
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You have every right to make fun of the Islamic faith. I give you that. But why is it that Christian's continue to think that Islam is the only religion with nutballs.

Dogma:
“Over time, the filmmakers received over 300,000 pieces of hate mail, which Smith posted on his website. Among these were “two-and-three-quarters” death threats.”

More recently, Phillip Pullman:
“Philip Pullman threatened by religious zealots over new Jesus Christ book.”

But why is it that Christian's continue to think that Islam is the only religion with nutballs.

And who has stated that ONLY Muslims are nutballs? That's right… ONLY YOU!

If you want to argue with the voices in your head, do it in your mother's basement and stop wasting bandwidth.

And Christianity is based on the Hebrew religion, which they used as justification to eradicate their non-believing neighbors.

Thanks for playing.

Uh so which sects of Christianity used their religion to 'eradicate' their non-believing neighbors?

How many Christians actually follow through on their threats of violence, maybe 1 in 1,000,000? How many Muslims 1 in 100?

There may be some nutball Christians (there are nutballs in every walk of life), but, they do not go around sawing people's heads off, using suicide vest, participating in terrorist attacks, flying planes into buildings, performing honor killings, etc and so on, all in the name of their religion.

“Draw Mohommad Day” makes me feel like the problem with responding to every troll on RWN with obnoxious kindergarten banter has now been applied to Islam and spread across the entire internet.

I am so sorry that this little exercise in religious tolerance has upset your delicate sensitivities, Prez.

Hopefully, you'll get over it… eventually.

Let's talk about ol' Mo for a minute, shall we?

The first part of his life he seemed to be a pretty upright guy. Merchant, family man, scholar, prophet.

Like most outspoken prophets, he got unpopular with the establishment. But where Jesus intellectually challenged the authorities and provided non-violent opposition, Mohammed fled to the desert and became a bandit, then a warlord, cobbling together an Islamic state out of the tribes of the region. He was the Bismarck of 7th century Arabia.

The interesting part is that the conversion from man of peace to man of war came soon after Mohammed said he was visited by Gabriel, whom he travelled with throughout the Middle East, and to heaven and hell. After this event, Mohammed left Mecca for Medina and his efforts to bring peace to the warring tribes became his mission to unite them through blood and steel.

It's actually a quite disturbing story, especially when compared to the life of Jesus which has striking similarities.

Can you provide Nixon with the proof that Jesus Christ called for the extermination of unbelievers?

Judiasm is not the same as Christianity. Your post is flagged for threadjacking and stupidity.

I remember many a long year ago seeing an artistic reproduction (a cartoon, let us say) of Jesus hung upon the cross. Dripping blood. Crown of thorns. Beard and loincloth. Classic Western Jesus. And inches from his face came a hurtling cream pie. Impact can be assumed.

So – yeah, children all – doodle your crude little attempts and vent your impotent rage. Exercise your constitutionally upheld right to prove your ignorance. Be proud that you wallow in the mire of those you condemn. Ridicule what you don't understand. Jesus weeps – but that's what He's there for.

Like I said, Islam is no more pagan than any other religion. It goes with the territory of freedom of speech and religion that everyone is entitled to their own spiritual truth.

Using said individual truth has been used as an excuse to murder and enslave people for thousands of years. The difference is Christianity and Judaism had headstarts on Islam. About 600 years worth. And Islam thrives is most shittiest places in the world because of its existential appeal.

Marrying a nine year old girl may have been acceptable in Mohammed's time. Using today's standard is meaningless and only attempts to slander the religion. A favorite rightwing meme that only makes the right look petty and intolerant.

But again, you are entitled to your own truth.

What I can't get over, Stan, is the feeling that just as you guys play right into the trolls' hands when you fill up a comment thread with responses to their troll-bait, this whole exercise does more to satisfy the desires of the Islamic extremists than to annoy them.

No one cares about your ignorant opinion, pedophile.

Take your intolerance elsewhere.

Difference being is that it is PC to lay in to Christianity. Hell, the more offensive you are to Christians the better, it shows you're witty and sophisticated.

But the same standard does not apply to Islam. Leveling a mild criticism towards the religion of peace gets you labeled a bigot, whereas depicting Jesus covered in manure (or was it Mary?) gets you labeled a genius.

This is to illustrate the double standard while at the same time showing Muslims that not all people bend to their terrorist intimidation tactics.

They need to either learn to deal with criticism and insults in the same way Christians have, or else leave. They can't bring their stone age mentality to the west anymore. Either assimilate or go back to the fundamentalist hell-holes you fled.

Of course, PF. That why the right relishes in attacking Islam with drawings or speech. Because not only is it their right, but because it gives them an excuse to insult Islam.

But at the same time they whine about how secularism is destroying this country. About how we should have the ten commandents in the schools. Creationism is the schoolbooks.

Islam isn't going anywhere. It will only grow and increase here in the states and aroung world. Sitting in a corner with your fingers in your ear screeching about how Islam is a pagan death cult whose prophet married an “underage” girl is stubborness at best. Even if its your right.

If this situation were flipped around, and this were a day to mock Jesus, people like you would be delighted with the artistic expression and remind everyone about the meaning of free speech and religious freedom.

Mock Jesus Day: oh how witty and clever. This really shows how tolerant and sophisticated we are.

Mock Islam Day: psh, you ignorant racist swine. You should respect this ancient and peace loving religion. You're just embarrassing yourselves.

Do you understand why the double standard on this is not a good thing?

Not sure what you mean here, Prez. Do you think that this will anger them to the point that they may riot, kill people, blow themselves up, or fly planes into buildings?

Muslims the world over call themselves “A Religion of Peace”. And they will murder anyone that does not agree with them. They demand we be tolerant and accepting of their religious beliefs, while at the same time waving signs that say “Behead Those that Insult Islam” (which is all the more disturbing, since they have actually beheaded people).

This is not an attempt to annoy the Muslims. It is a lesson to them in Freedom of Religion, as practiced in America. Tolerance is a 2-way street, and it is time the Muslims understand that!

I totally understand “why the double standard on this is not a good thing”. My question is whether the Muslim-baiting practitioners on this site do.

“Take your intolerance elsewhere. “

And this is what I say to you, stan.

What double standard are they espousing? Everyone seems to agree that you have the right to mock Christianity.

“This is not an attempt to annoy the Muslims. It is a lesson to them in Freedom of Religion, as practiced in America.”

Actually, no, it's not. It's an exercise in Freedom of Speech (and barely that, because nobody's Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech has been threatened here). It's a lesson about satire and parody and not having a stick up your ass, which is not the same. And I'm sure many if not most Muslims around the world will see it that way… but they'll also see it in the same way Hawkins notes in his opening comment “As a Christian, I find it extremely annoying when people make fun of my religion.” And spawning a movement of Americans purposefully making fun of Muslims in order to annoy them… yes, that's just exactly the kind of thing the terrorists want to happen, even if it doesn't directly lead to one single act of violence. It widens the gulf and calcifies the resentments between the two cultures, which is the part of the Islamofascists' ultimate goal.

When Islamists quit taking their religion and prophet so seriouly that they will riot, kill, and destroy in his name then we'll take them seriously. Until then Islam is the root of much of evil.

Christians know that man is imperfect and are willing to laugh at themselves as well as their church. Islamists take every joke and critisism as an affront to themselves and their deity.

Welcome to the 21st century, prez. This “kindergarten banter” has gotten Facebook shut down in Pakistan, and a lot of their citizens are unhappy about it.

Slitting people's throats on the street for drawing a cartoon doesn't change minds. It makes enemies. Creating a cacophony of cognitive dissonance in the minds of reasonable Muslims in a country torn between the past and the future is what leads to enlightenment.

Every Pakistani being blocked by a theocratic internet firewall now has to ask themselves what is more important to them: adherence to religious custom or the free exchange of ideas?

It's exactly what they need, and in the run will be far more effective than a drone strike in Afghanistan or foiling the next underpants bomber.

No one cares about your ignorant opinion, never-show. Come back when you have facts.

No one cares about your ignorant opinion.

dishboy, assuming you can read with more accuracy than you can write, the facts are right in front of you. In fact, you have supplied some of them.

You are welcome to look at it that way if you want, Prez, but you are completely wrong.

Muslims want to come to this country and demand that we set aside our religious freedom in deference to theirs. This is showing them that unless tolerance works both ways, it does not exist. And if there is no reaction from the Muslim community over this, it will not happen again. unfortunately, some American muslims have already shown what they think of Christians religious freedom, with their death threats.

Any divide you think exists between Muslims and Christians is due to the direct actions of the Muslims. If they want to lessen the gulf, that's fine. But for you to blame Christians for having the audacity to stand up for our religion and against the Muslims is the height of hypocrisy.

Apparently, WE started the fight by hitting them back!

The problem is your generalization here, Stan.

Muslims don't come here and demand anything that any other people don't. They want a safe and prosperous place to raise their families. There are millions here right now who are tolerant Americans.

If you think a circle jerk of rightwingers insulting their prophet and religion does ANYTHING you are sadly mistaken. Like PF said, it only plays right into the extremist hands. That Americans are muslim haters.

Of course you'll keep doing it, because rightwingers can never resist the urge to be insensitive pompous jackasses just bacause they can. They feel that somehow sense crazy muslim kill people on a regular basis that it gives them the freedom to be as offensive and intolerant as possible, because as long as you don't kill anyone you are the better person. Just like with Liberals, you feel as long as you can find one single example of someone being a bigger asshole, then what you said is okay and ethical.

But that's the wrong thinking. Because as I've told you before, you don't develop principles based on the adversary's principles. You base them on what you think is right.

What a load of abject BULLSHIT, Vega.

You need professional help!

I never said, nor do I believe, that the West started this fight, and it is intellectually dishonest of you to imply that I did.. In fact, the West's reluctance to fight is why the Islamofascists have to come up with ways to provoke us and to stoke unrest between our culture and theirs. But I just don't consider this to be 'fighting'. This is taunting, namecalling, juvenile stuff. There's a reason this whole bruhaha is connected to South Park.

And I do disagree with you that drawing a picture of Mohommad constitutes as “standing up” for your religion. This isn't an exclusively Christian movement (in fact I am having this same argument on a friend's blog, and that friend, who is a fan of 'Draw Mohammad Day' is also a hardcore libertarian atheist). For that, you'd have to be drawing pictures of Jesus beating up on Mohammad. No, this is about self-censorship and (just barely) free speech.

Finally, I think any American Muslim who issues a death threat over somebody drawing a picture of Mohommad should be put in jail. I'm not tolerant at all of that kind of talk, and am willing to suspend their right to free speech in order to curtail it.

how about my dick in your mum's mouth? Yummy!! OOh she wants moreeeeee.

I have a little trouble being lectured about being “intellectually dishonest” by the same person that told me that the only reason I was participating in this exercise was to annoy Muslims.

However, it is clear that we neither agree, nor are having any luck changing each other's mind. Therefore, I suggest we agree to disagree and we each protest Islam-o-fascism and religious intolerance in our own way.

While I disagree with the rest of your psychological profile of rightwingers, Vega, I gotta hand it to you for nailing it here: “…you don't develop principles based on the adversary's principles. You base them on what you think is right.”

Nixon is sorry that you are unable to dispute the facts Nixon presented. And Nixon missed how the US was founded on Islamic values. Nixon always thought those were Judeo Christian values. Your opinion will probably vary, being less fortunate than Nixon.

Feel free to dispute the fact that the Prophet of Islam had sex with a 9 year old Vega. Nixon will make popcorn.

Good comeback, Stan. Maybe next time you can save even more effort by reducing it to “Grrrrr.. grunt, grunt…. hisssss.”

I am correct in what I said. No muslim gives a rat's ass what some person says on a rightwing blog. They only people you are feeding here are the other rightwingers who get off on insulting Islam because it gives them a feeling of empowerment. It gives them motivation to be a-holes publicly. It creates an illusion that you are striking back, when really you are not. You are simply insulting the entire muslim population to “feel good” to each other. “Haw, haw, us Christians really showed those muslims and their monkey god, didn't we?”

Just like with any foreign or defense policy. Its only acceptable to the right when it feeds their rhetoric and makes them feel like big men or women. Very little has to do with actual practicality.

I would like to bring to your attention, Prez, that Vega is the person that continues to tell us that we have no right to criticize violence on the part of the Liberals because “you guys do it too.”

His impotent lecture on principles only highlights his own glaring hypocrisy!

You really like hearing yourself talk, don't you Vega.

Too bad you never actually say ANYTHING.

“No muslim gives a rat's ass what some person says on a rightwing blog.” You may want to direct your pissy little lecture at the Muslims that are issuing death threats over these drawings, Vega. Oh, but you won't do that. No, it's MUCH safer to send your pathetic rantings at the Right.

Ok, here is the test to see if that “flag” button is actually being paid attention to. Surely lots of folks will flag this post. There is no way crap like this can be simply written off as an “opposing view”. If it's still here tommorrow, it's a pretty safe bet that the staff are not paying attention any more.

Anyone want to take bets as to what will happen?

TR

I don't get the 600 year head start thing. Are you saying Christians were the first to kill they did so for 600 years before the Muslims decided to do some of their own?
I think Christians have a 600 year head start in *not* killing in the name of their religion and Muslims aren't even trying to start down that road. Muslims, all of them, are happy to see infidels dealt with.

I don't need an excuse to insult Islam and/or Muslims. F*** 'em, they provide plenty of reasons.

I don't agree with much that you say but you're usually pretty sensible, the acceptance of dhimmitude you display is chilling to see in an intelligent person.

Flagged for just being stupid.

I mean that Christianity is 600 years older and has gone throught a lot of reformation and change, for the better. Islam still has a lot of growth to undergo, but it's come a long way in just one century.

That growth and evolution includes violent clashes, which is what we've been witnessing for the past few decades.

I am not disputing it, I am saying it was more acceptable and common practice at the time.

The right is attempting to make Mo look like a pedo, but they are off the mark to anyone who knows history.

Do you know history, Nixon? Would you consider Judaism as sanctioning pedophilia and child marraige?

Wow how juvenile, petey! Next you'll be claiming to be a rich person with a plane and a six figure salary!

dhimmitude would be giving in or giving up, which I am not doing. Any muslim who feels they need to change our way of life in order to participate can go f___ themselves. Any one of them who feels the need for violence to make their point can go f___ themselves. It doesn't mean we cannot accept them into our society as long as they play by the same rules as everyone else.

But I don't feel the need to have circle jerk in order to feel better about the situation. I don't feel the need to insult their religion in order to call out the section of their society who are a bunch of sick dogs, or the section of their society that remains silent while the sick dogs speak for them.

If you call regression 'coming a long way' I guess you're good, but before Hitler satrted training and buying influence among the mullahs and imams and they reverted back to practices dead since the late 1800's.

Try to make sense Nixon. I didn't say anything about what we were founded on.

And we were founded on FREEDOM values.

You claim we ridicule what we don't undersatnd, but it appears(FACTUALLY) that you are wrong. We do understand, YOU don't, never-show.

Death threats are part and parcel of any free speech, Stan. You have Democrats, and Republicans, getting death threats over healthcare bills, for Pete's sake.

And no muslim threatened this site, or the hundreds of other rightwing sites that mock Islam on a daily basis.

I support free speech. I support South Park parodying Mohammed in thier work. Why? Because they are equal opportunity offenders. They make fun of everyone, so no one is above reproach.

But being offensive for the sake of? And then when someone, like myself, criticizes the Catholic Church it means they are anti-Catholic? Or hate Christianity? I mean, you wouldn't threaten my life like the crazy muslims would, but you would still jump to a conclusion based on little fact. The rightwing swears there is some sort of War of Christianity by secularists in this country.

I never said that, Stan.

On the contrary, WHEN EVER someone on the right DOES ANYTHING offensive or violent, the FIRST THING out of your mouth is WHAT SOME LIBERAL SOMEWHERE DID.

You are the KING of “you guys do it too”. It was the first response you made to Pinko on this very thread.

I think offending people in the context of truth and humor is not only acceptable but required. But beyond that, it's not satire or parody or free speech. It's mean-spiritedness.

Michelle Malkin's site has been threatened BY MUSLIMS, specifically for posting pictures of Mohammad. So you are, once again, speaking out of ignorance and arrogance.

And death threats from people that produce videos of sawing heads off of non-muslims and that blow up children in the street have a bit more teeth that some anynomous letter that says “I hope you die soon”.

Not that I expect someone of your limited intelligence to be able to see that difference.

Yes, who here can forget the thread about Obama's Grandfather, when Vega was so righteously indignant, telling us all what hateful bigots we were for daring to criticize Obama's family. And we remember the Letterman/Palin pedophile rape jokes, when Vega was so righteously indignant, he came out with the hard hitting “I deplore these attacks from both sides!”.

Vega, you condemn the Right long and loud. Yet when it comes from your side, it is equivocation or outright lies. And YES, you did start a thread on Democrat violence at protest off with “Your side does it too”.

And you may want to re-read my comments to Pinko, Vega. Only a simpering idiot like you would take that as “you guys do it too”.

I didn't say you were bigots for criticizing his family. I said you were COWARDS for not taking VanDouchebag to task for smearing the man's dead family with LIES after all the RHETORIC you spouted when poor-little-perpetual-victim Sarah Palin was smeared.

And here you are still doing it. Have you no morals of your own?

uh, not to sound insensitive, but so?

It's not the first time someone has had death threats thrown at them. It won't be the last time. Malkin wants to be the conservative du jour, she knows exactly what she is doing. And considering that you are using that incident in a debate here, it seems she is taking full advantage.

Has it stifled her speech? Made her think twice about offending muslims? No? That's what I figured.

Oh, I understand now.

Criticize Obama's family? We are cowards and have no morals.
Criticize Palin's family? She's a “poor-little-perpetual-victim”

Thanks for admitting your hypocrisy!

So you admit your statement “And no muslim threatened this site, or the hundreds of other rightwing sites that mock Islam on a daily basis.” was a total LIE!

Again, LEARN TO TELL THE TRUTH!

Again, Stan. You are taking no personal responsibility at all.

VH (or VD) wasn't criticizing anyone. He was smearing dead people. Which is understandable considering he is the scum of the earth.

If a liberal were to say that Palin's child is really Bristol's or whomever, I would denounce it. AS I DID WHEN IT HAPPENED.

If someone were to create a site making fun of little Trig's disease, I would condemn it. AS I DID WHEN IT HAPPENED.

When the troll above told you “how about my dick in your mum's mouth?”. I condemned it and flagged it.

But what happens when a POS like VD smears the President's dead mother and grandfather? Stan bends over backwards defending it because some asshole somewhere else is being a prick like VD. So it's okay.

It's classic moral relativism. It's pathetic. It's lazy. It's cowardly. Because it means you have no standards but the reference point of the nearest asshole. Good luck with that.

Listen closely, you arrogant little prick.

I did not defend VH for what he said. I said it was politics, just like the attacks on Palin. What I did say was that you were AND ARE a hypocrite for condemning VH and the entire Right for that smear, but equivicated and softpedaled the Palin smear. The really arrogant part is that you admit to doing it, and yet you STILL want to slam the Right for not hating VH as much as you do. And all this while trying to claim that Palin is a nothing but a whiner.

And for the record, you did NOT condem the person that made a lame attempt to smear my dead mother. You flagged it, but you did it because it was “stupid”. You could not even bring yourself to caling it offensive. You would have if the person said that about Obama's mother though.

I am done with you for today, Vega. I've corrected your lies and slapped you down like the punk-ass little bitch that you are. Try to save a small shread of your diginity and run away. You're good at that!

You didn't defend VH? Are you fucking serious, Stan? You posted more than 100 times doing that very thing. Don't backpedal now, that makes it even more cowardly.

Oh, its politics? So I guess anything said about Palin's family is just politics, right? What a steaming load of horseshit.

“Daily basis”, “Hundreds of sites”, Stan. Pay attention.

Just because there have been drawings of Mo doesn't mean they are actually of MO. Just like the paintings of Christ, no one except for the people that actually dealt with him actually knows what he looks like and they aren't around to confirm if the liknesses we see today are actually what he looked like (Christ and MO respectively)

Offending people's religion with words or perhaps a crucifix in a jar of urine that is supposed to pass as art? Liberals offend people of the Christian faith almost on a daily basis and there are no reprisals of riots in the streets, beheading people (or threatening to), and destroying personal property. I see a huge difference in lack of reaction/overreaction from either side. I'll let you guess which side over reacts and which side has a lack of reaction.

For no other reason, I don't see a problem with ridicule where ridicule is due. I'm still trying to form my POOP charity (People Offended by Offended People) would you care to send a $25, $50, $75, $100 donation to get me started?