Sarah has drifted off course. She took a wrong turn when she hired GOP advisers/consultants. They moved in quickly and built a barrier between her and Mom/Pop America. That was her advantage – her “former” connection with working class Americans. Those that we used to call Reagan Democrats. Those that abandoned the GOP on 11/7/06 and 11/4/08 for obvious reasons. Now, sadly, it appears that she's just another estab Republican. That being said, she could knock down those barriers. Mama Grizzleys can do those things. DD

This woman is a near total joke who doesn't have any original ideas.

Even O'Reilly demolished her on live TV.

I would hope she and Gingrich would run. It would please me to see Obama once again win and watch your heads explode.

I am a big supporter of Sarah's. But I don't know if that includes FOR THE PRESIDENCY.
There was a recent huge push to replace Michale Steele with her that got NO RESPONSE from VOTERS.

I personally would NOT put her there because she intervened in PRIMARIES, which I LOVED – but when the Primaries were over – two of her biggest “wins” were Cal and Nev women who came out with their DIM STANCES AFTER THE PRIMARY VOTES. Stances Sarah should have known about, WE DID NOT!
Sad thing is, there were TRUE CONSERVATIVES in those races that LOST because of the two women's SEEMING Conservative stances – why didn't SOMEONE (SARAH?) TELL us we bought PIGS in the POKES that were not what they advertised.

SO NOT HAPPY and waiting to find out what that means regarding SARAH herself.

Love her so very much re her personal appearances and witty witty Stances on the issues!
Back on my watching her carefully list….

She may be a NEAR JOKE to YOU – you are a joke with your Socialist stances. Shame on you! Socialism and the Constitution just don't MIX!
SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!

Sigh…….. rose honey Sarah is a joke. When your main way to get the word out is Facebook message typed like a 15 year old did the post….. DING DING your a joke.

Many here will say “im just scared of her”. Further from the truth you can be. Please Sarah run baby run. I just dont see her getting 51% of the vote. When you cant get your own side to vote for her. How in the hell do you get democrats to vote for her? Feel free to answer that question.

There comes a time during an election you have to do more than wink at the camera, and use a catch phrase. Its easy to just say the country is fucked up. Its much harder to say the country is fucked up and this is how we fix it.

Still waiting on you to back up claims of obamao's BC being submitted, Vag.
D-Vega posted: No papers are necessary besides his BC, which has been submitted and confirmed.

Let us know when you find it? I figured you were staying offline from posting here until you did find it.

Btw, original ideas?
Obamao's inspiration comes from marx.
Guess that is pretty original for you huh?

I prefer non treasonous “unoriginal” ideas over the other choice offered by your dear leader.

We didn't see obamao getting 51% either.
Furthermore:
Fox News interviews Gigi Gaston, a Democrat who produced a new documentary, 'We Will Not Be Silent 2008' that alleges irregularities in the 2008 Democratic primaries committed by the Barack Obama campaign. Gaston accuses Obama and his team of stealing the election from Hillary Clinton through voter fraud, intimidation, and dirty tricks

Btw, during the election campaign? Sara Palin drew over 15,000 people to a highschool football stadium in the same town where we froze our butts off for 3 hours to watch her, the same town where within two weeks obamao failed to reach 5000 in an indoor convention center, on a sunny, much warmer, day.
Catchphrase?
Yes we can?

Guess you did:
Sunk the economy
Raised unemployement
destroyed the gulf coast
raised the dept
destroy healthcare
take over private business, in direct violation of the constitution
raise taxes on middleclass, despite promises to the contrary
increase dependency on arab oil
alienate our allies
Divide the nation further
Fail to protect our borders, vilify states who exercise their rights to do so themselves.

Not one single policy has obamao came up with has succeeded. NONE.
Talk about originality from Vag, the socialist's only success comes from breaking his promises to overturn Bush policies:
Gitmo
Troop surge
Patriot Act

I use the bar that Sara has set with the policies she endorses:
Energy independence, individual rights and empowerment, states sovereignty, lower business taxes to encourage job growth, etc.

I will not vote for anyone who does not at least meet that bar.
Newt is a toad in my opinion. His whole shtick has always been “big tent” don't alienate moderates, compramise and reach across the aisle BS.
Sorry, I want someone who comes to the table and wants the other side to do the reaching for a change.
And big tent politics? Sorry, way too many bad cooks in the kitchen, and moderates have no place representing me.

GOP needs to have their purity test and stick to it.

and we should care about the opinon of a known troll and unregistered “guest” (ie not a legitimate member of this forum), why?
Run along, child….

TR

Writing off Ms. Palin as a “joke” is a mistake I would assume an intelligent person wouldn't make. Honestly, I'm surprised Vega wouldn't see past the smoke and mirrors from his side on that one. The woman accomplished more in an incompleted term as Governor than most politicians accomplish in their careers. I recall seeing interviews with her on CNBC from before the 2008 election talking energy policy. Honestly, she's one of the few politicians that seems remotely capable of holding an intelligent conversation with analysts.

That said, an honest assessment of the wisdom of selecting Ms. Palin has to include a clear-eyed assessment of her prospects. At this point the public meme of Ms. Palin has been established. Is it a consistent, rational, or even coherent meme? Not really. But it is there. And if you want to know how much damage even an inconsistent, irrational, and incoherent public meme can do, ask George W. Bush. As things stand, I think it would be nearly impossible for Ms. Palin to take the White House with the meme that has been established around her intact.
At this point, she's going to have to break that meme if she wants a serious shot at the Presidency. That is, she's going to have to prove, in no uncertain terms, that she's not just as smart, but significantly smarter than her opponents. I'm not saying that's fair. I'm not saying that's right. But, it is, I think, a pretty good approximation of her prospects. And bluntly, time is running out on her chances to accomplish that.

When you call someone a joke by saying “your (sic) a joke”, I think you should probably be a little more reticent about commenting on your target's lack of seriousness.

I believe Palin's future will also reside with those politicians she is currently endorsing and how they do. Not only do they win, but then will they provide the type of leadership they promised? I like Sarah Palin, but even I was surprised by what her endorsement of governor candidate, Karen Handel, in my state of Georgia meant to me.

Every word you have typed described Candidate Barak Obama to a tee! And that was even with the press doing everything it could to hide his past and make him look good.

With Palin, the press have acted like proctologists, poking and proding for anything and everythign it could use to smear her.

Your criticism of palin is nothing but your sycophantic attempt to demonize and slap down a Conservative. You and your ilk have had a lot of success doing that in the past. It just makes you mad that she won't run away from your baseless attacks.

BTW, how is President Obama doing on fixing the country?

I was ready to forgive her for the Rand Paul endorsement. I was back on board for the presidency. Then she endorsed the one candidate in the GA GOP gubernatorial primary who was NOT endorsed by Georgia Right to Life. They endorsed five candidates out of six. She endorsed that sixth candidate.

She was critical of Alaska RTL in her book “Going Rogue” for not endorsing her. RTL groups and other PACs commonly have a pro-incumbent policy provided that the incumbent has shown a record of supporting the PAC's positions. Palin values the quality of “loyalty” (hence, her McCain endorsement), but she doesn't care much, it seems, about valuing experience and a proven record of accomplishment. I think she may intentionally be endorsing against Right to Life because of a grudge over the pro-incumbency policy………..or some other issue she has with the organization……..but it's just like with her refusal to go to CPAC. The people in the trenches are hard workers who believe in the cause, and when you diss RTL, just as when you diss CPAC, you diss all those people. I don't know what she's thinking. I was a Palinista…..left because of Rand Paul, was ready to forgive and then…….this Georgia Right to Life thing. I can't trust her anymore.

Imagine the amt of money (we dont have) that obama will spend in another 4 yrs. Sorry Vega, your guy is a complete tool and unfit for office. I feel sorry for people like you that have put so much into that knob and now must defend him at every chance.

Do your own research, EMT. I can only educate you so far.

A birther such as yourself doesn't accept any proof that is Constitutionally sound, but doesn't fit into some pulled-out-of-your-ass proof.

Obama's BC has been submitted and approved. Deal with it, birther.

Actually Vega, you told us just a few days ago that Obama's BC has been posted on the internet and asked Mr. EMT if he would like that link. Since then, you have waffled and diverted and run away like a coward. All he is asking is for you to man-up and post the link you promised.

You will have to forgive Mr. EMT. He is kinda new here and does not fully understand what a liar and punk-ass BITCH that you are.

Well there is the statement of someone with a gigantic intellect. Whew. No wonder this country is so screwed up.

Newt-Sarah. Sarah-Newt? A Democrats dream. Run Sarah, run.

PLEASE let the door hit you on the way out, TROLL!

You hit the nail on the head there. Love it.

Go away you pathetic coward. No one care about you or your vapid opinion!

Btw, Obama drew 10,000 people to a rally in Idaho, arguably the most conservative state in the country. Palin couldnt muster more than 4000 two weeks later.

Proof, or STFU!

Considering the hole that Republicans and Bush left him, pretty damn good. Better than Republicans could possibly do, after all they didnt even think that we were in a recession remember?

Double digit unemployments, exploded deficits, governmental takeover of provate industry? You think that is good?

Any thought I had that you were actually a patriotic American just vanished with that post, crthns.

Aww, no proof as you claimed?
Im SHOCKED.
Not.
Yet another false claim Vag can not substantiate.

And you replied with a statement showing you have a rather unremarkable moronic intellect that only other morons would think is brilliant.

Unlike you, I can prove my claim.

http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/225138 Sara Palin

http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/180898 Obamao

Also not to complain, you did not bother countering one single policy failure made by obamao. It's like you are getting a brain, but we know that enlightenment has not yet dawned on you yet.

I have yet to see her perform as well as she did at the 2008 R convention. Her speech set the place on fire. It has been all downhill from there.
I watched her on O'Reilly, and was disappointed in that it seemed her answers were 'canned' responses to generic questions, almost as if they were scripted beforehand. It makes me doubt her capacity, and her depth of knowledge that I think necessary to be a successful candidate. [not that the obambus had any of those save the ability to lie with a straight face, as his administration has shown so far]
She has to demonstrate more 'stuff', even though she made Joe look a little ignorant in her debate, it was not enough in my opinion.
tom

Pretty damn good?

You realize Obama has DOUBLED the unemployment rate of the Bush administration, don't you?

Writing off Ms. Palin as a “joke” is a mistake I would assume an intelligent person wouldn't make.

Well there's your problem. You assume D-Vega is an intelligent person.

Palin is a NeoCon Puppet.

http://www.amconmag.com/tactv/2010/07/13/is-pal…

Who opposes commiecon puppets.
Your point, obamaton?

SMarter than biden?
Smarter than obamao?
LMAO!
Let me know when you find obamao's diploma mmkay?

Right, like deregulating real estate loans and lenders fannie/freddy?
Oh wait, that was democrats
Well how about increasing dependancy on foreign HOSTILE oil immerates who have crippled our economy by gouging us while making sure we are not able to produce our own energy with programs designed to “Crush the Coal industry”
Oh wait, that is democtrats represented by obamao…
Well how about ramming a “public” option healthcare program that will increase taxes on private business's and force people to accept higher taxes to pay for johnny the crack pimp's frequent trips to the ER?
Oh wait, democrats again.

So what is it that GOP lead by Bush did?
Oh… war right?
War that democratic leaders said was vital and neccisary not just in afghanistan, but most importantly Iraq.
War that destroyed over 75% of the Al Qaeda network (funny how al qaeda was being destroyed by fighting in iraq, yet there was no connection huh?)

Seriously, the blame bush GAME you kids are playing is OLD.
Step up act like adults and accept responsibility for the TOXIC policies and waste spending your leaders say is vitally necessary for the success of your party.

Vega,

Just a piece of advice, it's a waste of time trying to reason with conspiracy theorists. At the end of the day, arguing with them only gives their ravings the patina of an actual argument.

I'm thinking their more useful to set up “The Moronic Conspiracy Theorist Dating Game”: “Will our bachelorette choose the Birther, the Truther, or the LaRouchite?”

Vega claimed that Obama's Birth Certificate was online and offered to provide the link to it. When he was asked for that link, he whined and cried and ran away like a coward.

This is not about conspiracy, as I am on record that the BC thing is silly and a waste of time. This time it is about Vega being a liar and a coward.

Don't take up for Vega, Bill. He does not deserve it!

I am not ready for President Palin, either. I mean I'd vote for her over President Obama, but she wouldn't be my preferred choice.

Ace at the HQ had a great point when he noted that Reagan had a powerful ability to reach out to moderates and Democrats which Palin lacks. She just doesn't have that broad enough appeal for the presidency, in my opinion.

Consider this. Everyone, that is conservatives, independents, and RINOs, and even fair-minded and far-seeing Democrats needs to fight against the Meme Box, the Procrustean Bed, the media and the left-wing put Governor Palin in.

Why?

Well, for one thing, if they, the MSM, can do it to Palin, they can do it to anybody. We don't want to give the MSM the power to veto and destroy our most promising candidates.

Would it be a good thing for America if the Republicans had the power to destroy the Dem's favorites without regard to reality? No. That type of power is open to abuse.

We need to break this rod of authority right now. Confront the media, and keep at it, until they whine and whimper. And then keep at it.

Now Sarah needs to do more, sure. But we need to make sure that Sarah is not just another target for unjust attacks. Its not good for America to allow this type of attack to go on.

She's not a small government conservative. There's nothing conservative about fighting endless war in the Middle East. She came out against any defense cuts when anyone with a lick of sense knows the defecit problem can't be addressed without looking at defense. Palin is just more Bush, Cheney, Kristol, Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman foreign policy. Bottom line, Obama is President today because Bush listened to Cheney instead of Colin Powell.

Stan,

I understand your take. But, I respectfully disagree. I mean, even when you win, all you've done is encouraged the ranting birther loons to keep smearing their intellectual defacation over every forum they can find.

“The woman accomplished more in an incompleted term as Governor than most politicians accomplish in their careers.”

Like what, exactly?

Don't say much for the rest of you guys, then.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Seems simple enough, Stan.

Watch now how the birther says this is fake, with no evidence to prove such.

And Stan, since we've discussed the BC issue at length over the past few years, stop acting like a little mary-mary when I don't go out of my way to address a dreck like EMT.

Everyone else in the real world know this is a dead issue. Done and done. Get over it.

Let them, it will only waste their time and give the idiot Liberals something to scream about. I feel the same about the brithers as I do about the 9/11 truthers.

However, this is further illustration of Vega and what he has become.

It's commone knowledge. A simple Google search provides any sane person with enough proof of the facts.

Stop defending the slow kid. It only makes you look discredited and bitter, Stan.

Funny that it took you several days of bitching and moaning to provide a link to something you claimed to have.

You are nothing but a punk-ass bitch, Vega.

Oh, back to “it's common knowledge”?

Pathetic, Vega!

The majority of which happened from Nov. 08 – Jan 08, BEFORE he took office. Thanks for lying.

YOU claimed you had the Link. You were asked for it by people other than EMT. And you whined and cried and ran away.

It is what you have become, BITCH!

Proof, or STFU!

Well, like

1. Breaking the local political machine's hold on local politics.
2. Successfully renegotiating improved terms on the state oil leases.
3. Successfully negotiating the largest multinational gas pipeline deal in history.
4. Successfully managed an actual decrease in the size of the state budget (not a reduction in growth).

Hardly trivial.

I think I see where we differ:

Let them, it will only waste their time and give the idiot Liberals something to scream about.

I don't see it that way. The louder the birthers rant and rave (particularly in conservative fora), the more the public associates conservatives with them. Now, you take someone who's not solidly on the conservative side, hell even someone who voted for Obama and now regrets it, say an Ann Althouse or a Megan McArdle. Or maybe they're not to your liking. How about folks who just stayed home because they didn't think it would make THAT much difference if McCain or Obama won? Do you really think it makes sense to have the alternative be seen as “Obamao is a secret Muslim foreigner. He should be thrown out and all the laws he passed won't count anymore.”?

The leases and pipeline are achievements, I'll grant you. I would have to see how much she had direct input.

I don't think she broke any “local political machine” in Alaska.

Nor is a decrease in the state budget a huge acheivement. Otherwise, David Paterson would be considered a huge success.

Bottomline: Those are certainly not “more in an incompleted term as Governor than most politicians accomplish in their careers”

I mean, this was part of her job to do. And that was the extent?

Her popularity has more to do with her spouting traditional boilerplate conservate bumper sticker philosophy than any true ideas. I know you dislike Obama, but he actually HAD ideas. Ideas that he has now made into law, like it or not.

Palin is more of a symbol than a true candidate with real ideas and solutions. “More freedom” is not an idea. It's a soundbite.

The more she allows herself to be accessible to questions, even softball ones, the more she is exposed as a nothing figurehead. She does better posting FB and Tweeting, because she preaches to the choir and isn't held accountable. Tweeting “more freedom” is eaten up by her followers, because even when she stumbles, like writing a cheat sheet on her hand, she is celebrated as if she is doing something right.

She is a near total joke. And if she is the best the Republicans have to offer, then you guys shouldn't even bother.

And you have your proof, Stan. Which you've seen several times, as EMT has as well.

He won't believe it, as he is an idiot birther. What's your excuse? To stalk me?

Bill, we are on the same page. The only difference is that it is not passing Conservative or the undecideds, but the raving partisan hacks on the Liberl side that are so enraged by this issue. It is the Vega's and the Fiza's that come on here, screaming and frothing at the mouth about the Birthers. Their rants and their raves are the issue.

The Obama BC issue is childish and idiotic. Even if they get everything they want out of the issue, all that will be accomplished is that every piece of legislation signed by Obama will be re-signed by President Biden… AFTER he signs a full pardon for Obama.

But you do make a valid point about perception, and I cannot dismiss that just because I so enjoy seeing the Liberals work themselves up into a tizzy over this.

But beyond this all, Vega is still a liar and a coward… on this and many other issues.

Given that you know the link very well, as well as the facts regarding this nonsense, the only bitch here is you, because you are only commenting because you have a hard-on for me.

To prove ONCE AGAIN what a liar and coward you are, bitch.

Now, run away again, little nancy-boy!

It is common knowledge, Stan.

You know it, EMT knows it. You just can't face it.

Yeah, I knew the link, Vega. But is was instructive for all the other posters here to see you whine and cry and run away when asked to provide the proof THAT YOU YOURSELF OFFERERD UP.

You are NOTHING Vega, and you prove that every time you post!

Of course, bill. It makes you all look like idiots. That's why it entertains me.

It doesn't anger liberals to watch birthers foam at the mouth. On the contrary, it amuses us greatly. Because it discredits you, not us.

COMMON KNOWLEDGE – Meaning you can't prove it.

Your usual little girl fall back position.

Jan 2009 unemployment: 7.6%

June 2010 unemployment: 9.5%

He didn't double squat. There's your proof, bitch.

http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=13307

I said double-digit unemployment, bitch. Learn to read!

Vega, I have just two words: “Truther” and “LaRouche”.

I guess hoggo came up with a new name.

She dealt the GOP corruption a serious blow while in office. You on the left just love to dismiss this woman but its at your own expense you continue to do so. Maybe its time for another look at her, rather than just going with the leftist flow and believing what you're told by the commissars.

Depends when you look, I guess. The unemployment rate hit around 3 or lower (below 2 in some places, like Texas and California, lower than economists thought was possible).

Neocon is a liberal term for Jew.

“I don't think she broke any “local political machine” in Alaska. “

That's what you get for thinking, you apparently are unable to do so if you believe this.

“Fuck Sarah Palin and her kids”

Thats a fact eh Vega?

January 2007, the US economy was ok. It then started sliding. What happened that month Vega?

BTW you stated David Duke voted for Bush in 2004.

“when anyone with a lick of sense knows the defecit problem can't be addressed without looking at defense. “

Guns and butter eh hoggo the clown?

NeoConservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Go away you pathetic coward. No one cares about you or your vapid opinion!

Democrats are the only ones that want Newt to run. They're stupid enough to continually underestimate Sarah Palin though. You'd think after having President Bush slap them around for 8 years they'd learn but I guess not.

No you didnt Stan, you asked for proof, and it was provided to you. Then you pulled the typical Stan and ran off like a pathetic coward by changing the subject. Fuckin pathetic Stan, fuckin pathetic

No he didnt Sam, why do you feel the need to lie so much?

Well Vega has proven he is a better man than you stanw. Your name calling proves that you lack intelligent counter arguments. If for no other reason I will continue to follow this blog to see foul mouths get their comeuppance.

stanw you are the definition of bitter and vapid.

Well here's the very cool thing: no one owes you proof stanw. Mr. Obama is our president and has been sworn in legally. So your pitiful little tirades are, well, inconsequential. But have a bitter day anyway.

I'd take Bush for eight more years than Sarah Palin. She's not progressing politically, she's regressing.

You would have to provide a good reason as to why she deserves another look. She had a first look already.

Even if you believe Obama is/will be a failure, it doesn't mean she qualifies.

The current crop of Republican wannabes is lame. Newt thinks it's news that he thinking about running? That amounts to a cat's fart.

Aw, and you actually think you are somehow discrediting me?

At the time, yes. You keep running that.

Of course, because its just about bitching.

And it was just proven to be common knowledge. That means you are the panty-waste here.

Now go get me a iced coffee.

That's why its an easy mark for me.

Liar & coward? How's that?

Oh, okay. We're still playing in your alternate reality where your opinion matters. I'll go along to humor you.

Oh, so you're saying this is a numbers game?

Talking to yourself?

right because cutting more the half the Fed budget by eliminating all social welfare programs wouldn't be enough!!!

Reagan is an idiot! Reagan is an idiot! Reagan is an idiot! uh wow he ended the cold war and was brilliant… umm, Bush is an idiot! Bush is an idiot! Bush is an idiot! boy he cleaned our clocks for years and made us look bad… uh, Palin is an idiot! Palin is an idiot!…
-Leftist who won't learn

Hey your continual need to underestimate and mock anyone to the right of Michael Moore is useful to us, but I'd think you would want to break the pattern after a while. Why do you keep doing it to yourselves?

Learn to think for yourself, stop just slurping up the leftist kool aid.

Not for me, I just was trying to suggest what Sam meant.

Shut up you loser, for you to criticize someone else for doing what you do EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU GET IN AN ARGUMENT is just pathetic, even for a worthless wretch like you.

I agree: http://www.ewross.com/Palins_Presidential_Prosp…

I'm not a huge Palin fan, nor a huge Palin hater, but I don't get your argument here. Are you worried that Palin is secretly pro-choice? In order to get your support do you have to be both pro-life and in agreement with RTL about every candidate? I don't know a lot about Karen Handel in Georgia, but my understanding is that she is pro-life, but just disagrees with RTL about providing an exception in cases of rape, which isn't all that uncommon in the pro-life movement. Is it possible Palin endorsed her because she is a better candidate for small government conservatives than the others, and that as a Gov. she can't really do much about abortion anyway unless and until Roe V. Wade gets turned over?

As chair of Fulton Co Board of Comm., Karen Handel voted to give $425,568 of taxpayer money to Georgia Planned Parenthood. I have the minutes for that meeting. It's not good. A couple of hours ago, in the gubernatorial debate, she answered 'no' in regard to whether or not she would support a Human Life Amendment……….according to Brian Donegan who reported it. I tend to think that you aren't very familiar with Karen Handel's positions on this issue. I trust NRLC's state affiliates, which Georgia Right to Life is. I know how hard these people work and how committed they are to ending abortion. They are not 'machine' people at all. They are devoted pro-lifers who sacrifice greatly to make sure we elect the right candidates. They endorsed FIVE CANDIDATES. That, in and of itself, is a testimony against the notion that they may be overly rigid. How hard is this? It's not.

What would you like to lie about now Vega? The Arizina law again, or maybe the racism in the Democrat party?

Actually, anything out of your mouth is a lie, such is the life of a opunk-ass bitch like you.

OK, I'll remember that, Mah. So it's fine to make a claim and not back it up.

So, has anyone found out that you kidnap and rape little girls yet? You know, that could be the police right outside your door.

TRANSLATION… Waaaaaaah, Stan is being mean to mean. So I'll doa drive by and run away before anyone can see me.

Piss and moan all you like, crthns.

How original, crthns.

You Liberal Marxists hate her guts. But guess what, she isn't gonna like you ANY OLD WAY! And she ain't gonna go runnin' to YOU for APPROVAL!

Because you ain't got CREDIBILITY! or PERSONALITY! You're so OVER! And you're THROUGH!

RECENTLY, Idaho booed him out of state!

That is very insipid, Bill – are you on the record that Odrama Queen shall be unique in the USA even as he racks up the requirements for USA citizens to present their bonafides for more and m more and more standard routine situations, while he himself need not answer for the fact that he prefers to spend $$$Millions to BLOCK any requirement that he himself display his own bonafides? Abetting the Party of FRAUD?

Our kids show theirs for kindergarten, and for VACCINATIONS! and he cannot show his for the highest office in the LAND – per Constitutional Requirement?

Don't you feel silly giving HIM a pass? If ANYONE is going to get a pass on presenting their proper records, it is going to be HIM???????????
After he has spent $$$MILLIONS to keep them FROM you????????????

Don't you find that odd?

Fifty years ago, we would have said, “What a queer duck!”

Then they would have all turned to him and said, “Hey! What's so special about YOU!”

Because you feel silly holding him to the STANDARD??????

Like the guy who passes the hat for the TAB, but never puts any of his own IN – but gets caught taking HALF OUT, for his own pocket!

They used to beat jerks up for that where I came from.

What do you expect? You supporting Socialistic policies.

How about “betrayer of your own nation!” Being one to side with Joseph Stalin against the Founding Fathers, and all…

Your eyes have been wide open the whole while – and plenty have said it to you!

html image isn't a BC.

Telling American citizens they have “no standing” in court regarding the qualifications of a Public Servant – that ain't on the square, either!

Common knowledge even Odrama Queen won't “own” that HTML IMAGE, says his STAFF put that up. He doesn't want to be charged with FORGERY!

Why put your NECK ON THE LINE FOR HIM WHEN he WON'T PUT HIS OWN THERE. It ain't like you can lend him any CREDIBILITY.

Odrama Queen is a PUBLIC SERVANT, not an EMPEROR.
And he OWES it.

Constitution says so!
If the Constitution doesn't count, then he doesn't have ANY authority, anyway.

The more he undermines the Constitution, the more he undermines himself.

He owes it.

After 3 years – he just doesn't have it.

You'll find out when he tries to get his name on STATE ballots in 2012.
WITHOUT it, again.

Common knowledge that when a man pays $2 mill to hide it, he ain't got it!

Makes his daughters illegitimate to hide his BC.

shame shame shame

Sarah's meme is just fine.

Newt is a jackass. Perfect for you.

George Washington was SMALL Government – and HE wanted to fight the muslims OVER THERE! Would have if he had had a Navy!

You don't argue from a point of comprehension, do you.

The ones Reagan reached out to were not the same as the current Marxists.

I would not accept anyone who would reach out to these cretans – what do you think happened to McCain!

Guess I am not a conservative then either?
The idea of letting an entity such as islamic terror groups attack and kill Americans on our soil go unanswered is intolerable.
I do not know how anyone can call themselves American and feel that we should not retaliate, that we should leave such an obvious threat, a clear and present danger alone and turn our back to it… no not just turn our back, but bow down to it.
The real problem is that we are not actually fighting a war.
We are playing diplomat and we are trying to “win the hearts and minds” of people who have no heart or mind left to win.
We are not identifying the threat and eradicating it, we are trying to convince people oppressed by the threat they should fight it for themselves. Just like American politics, conservatives are trying to convince liberals that we need to fight the threat ourselves.
And in the middle of all this you want to cut spending on our defense further than our underfunded military already has?

How come we never hear of cutting spending on the federal sector when its time to tighten up the budget? We dont hear about any retraction from the salary increases congress voted for itself to have.
We don't hear about the budget the white house has to spend on aids being decreased. We don't hear about budgets for traveling expenses being limited or even regulated by law makers who get to use our military like its a taxi service.
Meantime we can't even use our own oil and energy that is laying on our ground which would really be a big help right now?
Of course commiecons don't want America to be energy reliant, do not want our defenses to be strong.

it's a commonality they share.
“Gee maybe if I change my name they will think I am credible when I say something batshit crazy stupid”

Vag has not been granted permission to think by his masters.
This is why you see him using talking points and uncredible claims that lack proof.
When called out to substantiate any claim, he runs and hides while getting soundly trounced by opposition who has mountains of proof.

I.e., claiming obama submitted a BC when the rest of the world saw “someone” offer up a totally fake and fabricated certificate of live birth instead while his supposed BC remains sealed and Hawaii advertises the fact it has been and will remain sealed.

Why another look?
Because she unlike what may be her predecessor has a birth certificate showing she was actually born on american soil and has a college diploma.
Can't say that for certain about just every president now can we?
When you try, nasty people will ask you where it's at?

That sound you hear of nothingness is the sound of rational thoughts happening in Vag's empty head.

Yes, common knowledge the state of Hawaii claims his birth certificate is sealed and always has been and always will be until obamao himself orders it unsealed.
Claiming the Us government has spent over… how much was it? 2 million? to keep it sealed, all these court cases, appeals etc. None of which would be happening if he had met the basic requirements of any military enlistee, or for that matter any person wishing to pass security clearance to shake the hand of the president.
You say it has been submitted? I say bullshit and not one source can you come up with to say different.
Not ONE SINGLE source.
All you have is a claim that his certificate of live birth is good enough.
Great, but he hasn't even shown that, unless you are claiming the fabricated one was submitted by him in which case he is guilty of fraud.
However, since he denied that he was responsible for the fake COLB, that is not the case now is it?

Well spoken for someone with their head in the sand.
So you believe obamao has a birth certificate, he just has the right to not show it? After all who expects the President of the United States of America to actually display his job qualifications to the public right?
The President is above the law, in your opinion. And should not be required to prove basic credentials such as his level of education, citizenship etc.
This is your opinion?
And you want to stick me in a category? LMAO!

See, now this is what I apreciate from the left.
Someone who admits that their boy is above the law and does not have to answer to the people.
Someone like mahatma I know is not ignorant. They may be totally stupid and imbecilic. But he is aware of what is going on.
He knows obama has not submitted any proof that he has the basic qualifications to run a nation.
Mahatma doesnt care either as long as his boy is doing the best job that only a marxist can do when it comes to running this nation, and that is to run this nation into the ground and destroy it as we know it.

Only people guilty of shit for braining here at the moment I see is you bill.
Everyone on the left claps their hands and laughs when someone is called a “birther” because they won and the constitution lost.
The people on the right who want it to go away, do so because they are shit scared of looking funny to the left… who laughs anyway.

You? Which is it, you are brainlessly toxic and think the president does not have to abide the law of the land.
Or you are ignorant and think he did, despite mountains of proof he did not and absolutely nothing to show he did?

Oh wait… looking over your past comments we see your brilliance:
However, I no sooner show you that your claims don't hold, than you remake the same claim that I have just disproven.

Your apparent proof that you gave prior to that statement:

We'll never have the the original birth certificate because the birthers' frothing at the mouth is highly advantageous for Mr. Obama.

So apparently you disproved obamao has not given his birth certificate as well.
Which means you fall into the catagory of people who believe obamao has no responsibility to the law of the land, or to the constitution he has SWORN BY OATH to uphold and protect.

Fat chance of a jackass like you actually trying to make him hold to his oath either.
You are too busy attacking people whom you identify as “intellectual dedicators” silly enough to call that to attention when the opportunity arises.

Labels are important to someone like you.
You identify yourself by one, and call others a lable that fits in your little mind.
However, If being a conservative means you don't think the president has to adhere to the constitution, is allowed to foreswear his oath and break laws.
I happily stand away from being called a conservative.
If that is a reflection on conservatism, than conservatism is too leftist for me and is moving the same direction of the GOP in that it is over eager to bend over the barrel and take one up the ass by communism in order to appease its masters.

Smile like a donut when you try to make them happy.
Dont forget to cup.

Heh, in that hypothetical argument where biden becomes president despite the massive fraud, and as everyone would be forced to admit, conspiracy (birthers being conspiracy theorists who scored the win)
Signing obamao's pardon, and resigning all his legislation would be a massive weapon to turn on them.

And as I stated before, I honestly could care less if he is a citizen or not.
The idea of a president getting a pass by everyone on both sides and being allowed to place himself above the law and above the constitution is galling.

On earth, his opinions carry infinitely more weight than yours ever will.

Problem with that op-ed piece from factcheck…
When you fact check factcheck's claim that:
FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.
You find an obvious LIE.

A staffer has the power over courts to open a sealed document and violate a person's privacy? LMAO
This is your proof Vag? Seriously?
Ok, well the State of Hawaii says different:

HONOLULU — It's now law in Hawaii that the state government can ignore repetitive requests for President Barack Obama's birth certificate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/13/obama-…
Yes I took one for the team and gave huffington a hit (gags)
Thats right Vag, if factcheck had really requested to see his birth certificate as it falsely claimed, it would have been rejected like everyone else.
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
Again, states requests have ALL been rejected.

Your proof is a bald faced and obvious LIE Vag.

Yup, saw that “proof” a year or so ago, recognised immediately someone lied.
Staffers for an independent blogging group under the all assuming name “factchecker” does not have the power with out a court order to open someones private and confidential documents. And all court orders that have been request for his BC for the court cases have been denied.
But factcheck has that kind of power you think? LMAO, your tinfoil hat has a few holes in it Vag.
Not even freedom of information act gives media the power to violate an individuals privacy.

Yeah except the 500,000 who signed a petition to the contrary, and the whole third circuit case thing.

Funny how important process can be, isn't it?

So you umm, think factcheck is a valid and reputable source despite the fact Hawaii has sealed and passed legislation to ignore requests to view the document? Despite the director's claims as to being the only one to have viewed the document?
So who is the liar? Factcheck, or hawaii?

Yeah good job proving the State of Hawaii are corrupt liars and the proof is all over the web…or something.

Yeah, thats only 20% increase of people who are getting benifits.
How many unemployed you want to add that are not getting benifits?
Of course, those numbers are also buffered by record numbers of census employees.
What do you think that number is going to be come this fall? Better?
Obamao wants to spend 20billion to hire 1500 people…
Census hired over 20 million more people than it did 10 years ago…
How do you like the math on what it will take to keep that 9.5?

iced coffee?
Man fail

Rose, you're knowledge of history isn't the best.

Go read the WSJ today. The president of Columbia is arguing for federal funding of the press. Too much competition?
Sometimes I just cannot believe this stuff is really happening.
tom

You are correct, not being from Georgia I am not too familiar with Handel's positions, just familiar w/ the blurbs I've read about the situation. Had not heard of the $400k to Planned Parenthood, and yes absolutely that is a show stopper. A candidate's stance on abortion doesn't tend to sway my vote one way or the other, but giving money, PUBLIC money no less, to that horid entity sure would, and Palin should have done her homework.

I was only questioning because a significant message at every Tea Party event I've been to here in Oklahoma has been that, for now, we have to elevate fiscal issues above all else and not be divided by the social issues that so commonly split socialcon/libertarian voting blocks, and I was wondering if Palin's endorsement wasn't tied to that line of thought somehow… but the Planned Parenthood thing is a different beast altogether.

Single issue pro-life voters aren't going away. I suggest you look up the word “coalition”.

Think about the great amount of street cred, speeches and political acsension Reagan had over the course of years.

Secondly, Bush cleaned our clocks? Really? You do realize his legacy, right? It's not a good one.

Palin is not an idiot. She obvious to capitalizing on her opportunity. But politically, she is a joke.

Nice diatribe. I still await your reason as to why she deserves another look.

Birther reasons, since they appear out of thin air and are quickly mocked and riduculed, don't count. Sorry.

I don't expect pro-lifers to go away, nor do I want them to. What I do hope happens is that Republicans like George W. Bush who are in love with spending and big government are no longer able to persuade a large swath of conservatives into voting for them siimply by getting endorsements from pro-life groups. And I think we are moving away from that, which is a good thing for the country.

You're an idiot, as usual. The Obama campaign provided the birth certificate to numerous people.

Like I said, reality doesn't matter to a birther.

Birtherism and foaming is amusing.

What problems do you have with the other five candidates in the race? The ones endorsed by Georgia Right to Life?

You're becoming a joke too, Stan. You asked for proof of MY statement. And you got it.

Now where is my iced coffee, gofer?

Rose, you are suggesting that Americans voting for Obama are all Marxists?

Rave on, Vega. You are not worth my time.

Why don't you try posting on a CURRENT topic instead of running back to old topics in your pathetic attempt to get in the last word.

I admittedly don't know anything about the candidates, and if I was in Georgia I'd probably vote for one of them, especially if-as you said- Handel gave $400k+ to Planned Parenthood. I vote for pro-life candidates all the time, and my state Rep. here in Oklahoma, who I'm a very strong supporter of, just introduced and got passed what I think is some of the best abortion legislation in the country, a law stating that Oklahoma women must have an ultrasound before getting an abortion, and the doctor or ultrasound technician must turn the screen towards the patient and describe what they are seeing. I think it is a great law, and took the time to personally congratulate my Rep, Lisa Billy, for sponsoring it. But if she becomes a big spender, or turns around in the next session and starts trying to secure taxpayer money for stupid programs, she will lose my support in a heartbeat. Likewise, I am supporting Tea Party candidate R.J. Harris in the GOP state primary over my big-spending but pro-life incumbent US Congressman Tom Cole, and I have never heard Harris talk about abortion a single time. That's fine with me, he doesn't have to in order to secure my vote.

Foaming communism isn't so funny. Guess you got me there.
Of course, what qualifies for proof in your world? Now that is hilarious.
A staffer claiming he has seen and held the original birth certificate, with a picture of said document… picture showing it is not even a birth certificate much less even a valid document.

What's at issue for me is who is the best defender of life. That's what my vote is based on, not whether or not the candidate wears lipstick or is fiscally conservative. The best defenders of life are those who work daily on that specific issue. I trust Right to Life. I don't trust Sarah Palin. She's a loose cannon who is trying to build a presidential coalition for herself while ignoring the citizen activists at district level who work on the front lines daily, just as hard as she does, if not harder. That's 'top down', not grassroots, and not conservative.

Sorry, who do you want to claim the proved it to next? Urban Legends? Darwin Awards? Oh wait… Failblog.org right?
Not factcheck who falsely claimed they independently went to Hawaii and under their own power, a staffer did what no court in the land has done up to the third circuit so far and ordered the state to hand over the document.
Not to Lou Dodd of CNN who was demanding the birth certificate so he could shut birthers up and was ordered to drop the issue.
Not to ANYONE you can show.
You got less than nothing, and all you can do to try to defend yourself is claim I am a foaming birther.
Wow. Boy you sure got me.
Where is your reality dumbass?
Your president is above the law as one of your fellow komrades has posted on this board. Why don't you stick with that meme since it is easier to find the Holy Grail than proof of obamao's Birth Certificate.

Only a simple minded fool thinks obamao has submitted a birth certificate.
I honestly have a hard time buying you are THAT colossally stupid. But you are proving me wrong.

Your knowledge of present reality is non-existent.
You will only embarrass yourself trying to insult someone else's knowledge over history when your education is so lacking.

“What's at issue for me is who is the best defender of life. That's what my vote is based on, not whether or not the candidate wears lipstick or is fiscally conservative.”

That is certainly your right to prioritize your issues in whichever way you want, and I'm sure there are plenty of candidates we would both support. I'm not inclined to support Palin for President either. But for me and a growing number of likely Republican voters, a candidates small government and fiscally conservative credentials are top priority. Likewise, from what I know of him I think Rand Paul would make a fine Senator.

I would take 8 more years of Bush anytime over another year of obamao.
The only thing you commiecon's can say obamao has done that was productive are things Bush did that he condemned.
Everything Obamao has pushed on America has been toxic and designed to destroy our economy and government.

If you think Sara is a loose cannon when it comes to being pro life, you missed the story about her last child.

Marxist or totally ignorant to what marxism is as well as ignorant to policies obama was campaigning on.
Now there may be a small percentage also of voters who hated voting a rino in office like Mccain and voted for obamao out of spite.
But you don't have any leg to stand on trying to argue that obamao is anything other than a loyal commie/socialist follower of Marx.

Economies come and go and people disagree on economic solutions. Killing is always wrong. So is fraud and forgery. We'll be around for a while. You say a “growing number” put the economy first and indicate support for Rand Paul. A “growing number” of Kentuckians are supporting his opponent because of the importance of moral character and human dignity. Let this be a lesson to you.

Mr, EMT, in regard to “the story about her last child”, she just endorsed a candidate in Georgia who supports pre-screening unborn children for genetic defects for purposes of abortion. Try paying just a little bit more attention, k?

Perhaps I would be if that were what I had argued. As it stands, that's not what I argued.

yeah sure!

I don't EMT, last time I looked 9/11 didn't go unanswered. The fact that radical NeoCons decided to ramake the Middle East into a Western Jefferonian Democracy sort of fell flat, why on earth would anyone want to listen to them anymore.

I think for Sarah Palin, that baby on her hip IS her bonafides, if the huge batch altogether doesn't impress you.

Got that, but maybe there are other issues just as important for Sarah. It will take more than that to disqualify her. Since we don't know anything about the others.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.a…

Significantly, America had to obtain a loan from Holland to make the payment, [31] and the entire affair displeased Washington, who considered it a “disgrace” to remit funds for that purpose, preferring rather to inflict “chastisement” upon the terrorists. [32] Nevertheless, the best solution at that time was to continue paying the protection money, for America lacked a military, having neither navy nor army (the army was available only on an as-needed basis to be called up from among the people in case they needed to defend themselves; America had no standing army). Disgusted with the payments, Washington lamented:

Would to Heaven we had a navy able to reform those enemies to mankind – or crush them into non-existence. [33]

Yer ignernce is glaring.

“Pacifists are among the most immoral of men. They make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have!” – Patrick Henry

I'd rather be a JEW than a Dim Liberal MARXIST!

Pretty much, yeah.

Have you READ MUCH of Karl Marx or of the Joseph Stalin Agenda that is NOW the DIM PLATFORM? It was published in the Congressional Record on January 10, 1963, if you decide to look it up!

It's really clear. No mush-mouth about it.

OBAMA: To avoid being mistaken for such a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students; the foreign students; the Chicanos; the Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

There is video of him saying this. And it's in his book.

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Karl Marx: My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.

OBAMA: “Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

There is video of that, also.

Odrama hasn't been able to fix it – or say how he will fix it. He has plenty of blame to go around, though.

He tried to do a whistle stop tour and tell everyone it was fixed because he said so – he deemed it so. That didn't work so he brought Bill Clinton in for a quick reconnoiter. LOL! All Bill Clinton had going for him was CHINESE DONATIONS and junk bonds.
Most of what blew up in Odrama Queens face before he got his own wrecking ball hold of it, he blamed on Bush but was a Clinton allies' bubble.

Bill Clinton will give Odrama a “fix” all right. Guaranteed to blow up in time for Hillary to run in 2012.

P.S. If the Oil Spill in the Gulf is Bush's fault, how come Odrama Queen made it a FELONY for reporters to go down and cover the story! Is he trying to PROTECT Bush???? ~ OOO LA!~

They said. Cropping the photos.

Tripled the deficit in only one year? LOL! And didn't solve a THING with it – all there is to show for it is $20 million in highway signs saying “These jobs provided by Stimulus”, and NOBODY working in sight!

Especially not on the beaches at the Gulf. Break Time, Everybody.
Break Time, Everybody. Break Time, Everybody. Lunch Break!!! See ya in 2 hours!!!

No burnoffs, no sand berms, not one percent of the oil skimmers, and what is there is stopped to examine their life jackets…. miles and miles and miles and miles of booms – in MAINE!

Wimpie Wimpie Wimpie!!!

Vladimir Lenin: “Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

Karl Marx: My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.

Did not – and he is maintaining it.

You couldn't educate anyone. Now a child who needs to see what a Socialist looks like without getting stuffed into a gas oven for it, you might do for today…

Some folks here know what a mahatma is supposed to be. And you call yourself one.
Really rich.

You are the definition of a traveler of the broad and easy road.

Ah, a fellow traveler of the fake mahatma.

Ah, the vapid thing arises to the level of the fake mahatma.

Maybe it was just to his mirror.

Please tell us what does an “African Race” member look like? Does it have any distinguishing features?

Where's the documents, Vega?
Why is he paying so much to keep them sealed up?

You know, Vega, documents are not documents until you show them and have them authenticated.

Vega hasn't proven he can argue his way out of a paper sack.
And your support lends him no credibility. Neither of you have any to give.

Shame shame shame.
Temper temper temper.

Proof that he only has phony stuff provided by phony friends.
Phony is as phony does.

What is important enough to Odrama Queen for him to disenfranchise his own daughters. Shame Shame Shame!

You do that yourself. Nobody has to do that for you.

They provided a HTML IMITATION of a COLB, and nothing else at all – that Odrama Queen distanced himself from when it was reputably challenged.
And had it withdrawn.

Name-calling Alinskyism. Was funny when Laugh-In did it. You are no Dick Martin.

Stan is a citizen and the President is a Public Servant and owes FULL AND COMPLETE accountability to the Citizens of America.

This is NOT a monarchy. And Fraud is a felony.

Lies are the slicker on the slide for the ride you are on, Vega. Wide, broad, easy slide to your destination. Eternity with the Piper, for such a short ride.

Yup. Definite tell.

What's it to you? She ain't askin' fer YOUR vote!

Dim Marxists like you quickly mock everything that is not also Marxist. Your mockery is a stamp that the thing you mock is certainly not Marxist like yourself.
That makes what you mock something that does count.

“The vote of your opponents is the most honorable mark by which the soundness of your conduct could be stamped. I claim the same honorable testimonial. There was but a single act of my whole administration of which [the opposing] party approved… And when I found they approved of it, I confess I began strongly to apprehend I had done wrong, and to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'Lord, what have I done that the wicked should praise me?'” –Thomas Jefferson

The candidate she endorsed voted to give over $400,000 to the local Planned Parenthood and she supports pre-screening the unborn for genetic defects for purpose of aborting those with defects. What issue could possibly make one able to hold one's nose over that? Do tell.

I'm a mother of four kids who are all still in school and I care for an elderly parent. It doesn't make me presidential. Neither should it be proof of where I stand on issues of law. I

I would venture to say that most Americans can't even explain what Marxism is. 100,000 Democrats in South Carolina voted for Alvin Greene. That indicates cluelessness, not Marxism.

You didn't mention life issues, or immigration. Look, I am a Lincoln Republican and a Catholic. If issues of human dignity are ignored, you cannot get my vote. If Republicans do not stand against abortion, Catholics will vote Democrat 90% of the time. Just sayin'…..

” If Republicans do not stand against abortion, Catholics will vote Democrat 90% of the time. Just sayin'…..”

This statement puzzles me, Lisa. Republicans may or may not stand against abortion, but the Democrat Party is so pro-death that they use it as a litmus test for public office. It is a sacrement to them.

Why would Catholics leave a party that MIGHT not support their cause for a party that WILL NOT EVER support their cause?

You're arguing as if I'm talking about myself personally, as if you're trying to convince me on a personal level. I'm talking about the Catholic population. Go back and check to see how many Catholics percentage-wise voted for Obama in 2008.

Lisa, I am simply asking you to explain why YOU think Catholics would leave the Republicans for the Pro-Death Democrats.

And I am referring to individual candidates, as well. Most partisan-voting Catholics vote Democrat. The only hope a Republican can have to win a good chunk of the Catholic vote in an individual race is to be pro- human dignity.

It's not a question of “leaving” if you're referring to party. Most Catholics are Democrats. Many Catholics are “whole life” or “seamless garment” voters. That is, they are opposed to war, abortion, and euthanasia, but they are for programs to help uplift the poor and they are pro- Civil Rights, pro-immigrant, pro-worker. They are less concerned about fiscal policy than human dignity.

Doesn't it stand to reason, Stan, that if the Republicans remove the things that make Catholics want to vote for them, that they will flock to the Democrats in droves? We have Republicans now calling for taking away the Republican-authored pro-human dignity Fourteenth Amendment. Do you really think Republicans can keep the socially conservative Catholic vote if they remove the Fourteenth Amendment and continue to talk about “anchor babies”, etc?

No Lisa, that does NOT stand to reason to me at least. You make it sound as if…
1) Democrat is the party of choice of the Catholics
2) That most Catholics care so little about abortion that they will vote for the party that promotes it.

I am not trying to confront you hear, I am genuinelly trying to understand your point. Saying that if the Republicans don't give Catholics what they want they'll vote Democrats is the same as saying that if the Americans don;t give the Jews what they want, they'll support the German Socialist party.

It is much the same confusing I have with Jews continuing to vote for the Democrats when the Democrats support the Jew's blood-enemys and are hastening the Israels destructions.

Just does not make sense!

I take serious issue with your suggestion that Jews would vote for Nazis if Americans didn't support issues of concern to them……….and I strongly suggest that it is not at all analogous to what I am saying here. I recommend you look at the statistics on how American Catholics vote and try to explain to me how Republicans can win their votes if they demonize Mexican immigrant mothers, support Planned Parenthood with mega-bucks and condone genetic screening for abortion (e.g., Karen Handel), etc., etc. Let me remind you that five gubernatorial candidates in Georgia were endorsed by Georgia Right to Life and Palin endorsed the sixth candidate who is pro-abort. That's what the discussion is about. So let me toss this back to you, okay? Why should Catholics in Georgia not be utterly appalled by Sarah Palin now? There's a practical example for you.

Correction: YOu did not suggest Jews would do that. But I do take strong issue with your suggestion that the Democratic Party is the same as the Nazi party.

Lisa, please calm down. I know you are a one-issue voter, but I am trying to look at the big picture here.

First, Republicans are against ILLEGAL aliens of all forms. Your slam that we “demonize Mexican immigrant mothers” is not at all factual. I am 200% against ANY govermental support for the butchers at Planned Parenthood. Palin is a private citizen who can endorse who she wishes. Pro-Lifers everywhere should oppose abortion-related genetic screening and any candidate that supports it.

But Catholics AS A WHOLE are supposed Pro-Life. Yet you contend that if they don't get what they want from Republicans on the abortion issue, they will vote for Democrats, who are rabidly pro-death and pro-abortion. That is a contridiction equal to Jews turning to the Nazis if they don't get what they want from the Americans.

It was an analogy, Lisa, not meant to be a direct coorelation. Democrats are 100% AGAINST what the Catholics stand for in the way of Life, just as the Nazis were 100% AGAINST what the Jews stood for. Saying that you will vote Democrat is saying that your pro-life views are so unimportant to you that you will gladly vote for your mortal enemy.

haha I'm calm. No need to paint me otherwise. ;-) It's the TEA Party that needs to calm down, not me. The push against citizenship for babies born here is not because Republicans don't want MY babies born here to be citizens. It's because they don't want MEXICAN babies born here to be citizens…..but if they get their way, all mothers will have to go through a bureaucracy to prove their babies' citizenship because just being born here won't be enough…..and it would be all because TEA Partiers don't like allowing Mexican immigrant babies to be citizens…..because those “Mexicans just come here to get free health care”……….and somehow you don't see this as racist. Weird. Yes, they are demonized. Are you using the term “rabidly pro-death” to somehow make a 'distinction' between them and the “merely” pro-death? Pro-death is pro-death, right?

Okay, first of all, again, you're making this personal, about me. I'm referring to how CATHOLICS IN GENERAL, vote. Okay? Also, you're saying that Democrat = Nazi. Are you seriously prepared to defend that argument?

I am NOT saying the Democrats are Nazi. Get off that lie or this conversation is over.

It is not just Mexicans coming here to give Birth and get back-door citizenship, Lisa. There is a hotel in New York offering Citizenship birth room.

Trying to make this about the Tea Party shows your true colors here. Are you by chance an active Democrat?

Pro-death is pro-death, not matter how you slice it. But for Democrats, being pro-death is all that matters to them. It is their litmus test for office. Roe v Wade is sacrosanct. How could anyone that supports that be able to call themselves a Catholic?

You said that are “rabidly pro-death” and you are using Nazi in an analogy with Democrat. Do you know what “rabidly pro-death” means? It implies evil intent, that they have hearts within them that hunger for death.

Which is EXACTLY the way some Democrats are that push for Abortion-Abortion-Abortion all the time for all cases, Including the partial birth abortion. They are sick and evil people.

But I did not use Nazi as an analogy for Democrats and I am sick of you lying to make your point. This conversation is over.

I am a lifelong Republican, former co-chair of Kentucky Right to Life PAC, founder of the Palin Twibe and a former contributor at Texas for Sarah Palin.

You brought up Jews and Nazis in a conversation about Catholics and Democrats. Yes, you used Nazi as an analogy for Democrats and even called Democrats “rabidly pro-death”. Seriously, you need to think about what you're saying. Using shocking language isn't how to win an argument. You win an argument with facts and fairness.

I refuse to be fair with people that think killing children is a political position, just like I refuse to be fair with people that lie about what I said in order to score political points.

You wrote, “It was an analogy, Lisa.”

Go to dictionary.com and look up the definition of analogy. Also, you might think about the term “rabidly pro-death”, too.

I have a family to attend to. Have a good day.

Hopefully, they are smarter than you are. Get one of them to explain what an analogy is to you!

Stan said he was using an “analogy”. Stan said “Nazi” and “Democrat” are analogous. Stan needs to think about what he says before he says it. Good day.